Re: [tdf-discuss] Official supported and still maintained Python package
The Document Foundation is one of the main sponsors of the ODF (Open Document Format), and LibreOffice is the main implementation of ODF. We do not officially represent ODF, which is owned and maintained by OASIS, although we are probably the main ODF advocates. The Python packages you mention have not been developed within the ODF main project, and as such are not supported by OASIS. While I agree about the noise created by those packages, issues should be directed to their respective owners (developers). On 11/28/22 11:42, c.bu...@posteo.jp wrote: Hello, I'm not sure if this is the correct list for my question. But don't you represent the OpenDocument format? Looking around in the web I can find a lot of Python packages for reading and writing files in OpenDocument format. Based on the last commit date and the count of Issues and RPs, all of them seem unmaintained and out-dated. Are you aware of an active project offering a Python package to write and read OpenDocument format files? Do you officially support such a project? Are you aware of the problem with lot of orphaned Python packages? IMHO this violates the intention of OpenDocument. The packages are outdated buggy etc. It is better to have none of that packages instead of having buggy ones. All the projects should be "collected" and validated by the foundation. Kind Christian -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile/signal +39.348.5653829 - emailit...@libreoffice.org GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[tdf-discuss] Re: Reach out for ad space
Hi, we are not accepting any kind of advertising on our web properties, independently from the topic. Best regards. On 6/2/21 3:03 PM, jason...@elorbita.com wrote: "Hello, We are interested in advertising. We want to advertise guest article on your site planet.documentfoundation.org. Our article will be written according to your site theme and will include a link to a betting site. What is the rate for this? IMPORTANT: If you are not accepting links to gambling site we might be still interested, Please mention the rate for regular links as well Skype: shanker2020 Telegram 9966160005 WhatsApp number: 9966160005 Thank you" -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile/signal +39.348.5653829 - email it...@libreoffice.org GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[tdf-discuss] Re: Mirror Review Magazine Invites LibreOffice as one of "The 10 Renowned Document Management Companies, 2021."
Hi Jacob, LibreOffice main focus is personal productivity, or document creation and sharing, which is quite different from document management. Also, we are supported by donations, which are focused on the development of the software and the community. We do not have any marketing budget for advertising. So, we are not interested. Thanks and best regards, Italo On 5/25/21 6:49 PM, Jacob Eddy wrote: Hi Italo, I am Jacob From *Mirror Review Magazine* <https://www.mirrorreview.com/magazines/>and I would like to invite *LibreOffice *toget featured in our latest magazine issue, */“The 10 /Renowned /Document Management Companies, 2021.”/* As industrialization is picking its pace, we can observe that the intensity of competition in the market has spiked. Today, every other company relies on data as its main source of information. The involvement of data can’t be ignored in today’s time, especially when everything is digital. Management of data is an art and requires years of experience and skill to master it. This is the reason why companies like yours have been so successful in assisting clients. We as a leading business magazine understand the importance and relevance of data in today’s time. This has motivated us to work towards our latest issue, */“/**/The 10 /**Renowned **/Document Management Companies, 2021.”/* ** In this magazine issue, we will focus on various unique solutions/services offered by the company to its clientele. Alongside, we will emphasize the entrepreneurial journey of the featured leader. This will help several other aspiring entrepreneurs to derive motivation from the inspiring journey. Moreover, our unique business storytelling style has received constant praise from the featured companies and leaders. Our well-established platform will help you to increase your reach to a wide range of clientele. To increase your visibility among the peers, we will be providing you the following benefits with this opportunity: 1. A 2 full-page *Article*, unfolding your company’s story, highlighting the services you provide and achievements of your company. 2. A 2 full-pages *CXO Article* (an article on any industry topic by the concerned person) that can be used in any of our upcoming magazines. 3. A full-page *Advertisement *of your company (upcoming product line, events etc.) which can be placed in any of our upcoming magazine (of the same year). 4. A print-ready *HD PDF* of your article with reprint rights. 5. *Press Releases* that you can post on various media channels. 6. The *Logo of Listing* and online company profile links that can be used on your website, media, press release, etc. 7. A *soft copy of the certificate* by Mirror Review, attributing you as one of/*“*/*/The 10 /**Renowned **/Document Management Companies, 2021/**/.”/* 8. A* backlink* to your company’s website which remains on our archives permanently. Please note that this suite of branding and marketing practices comes with a sponsorship cost of *USD 500.* ** *Process *: Once you confirm your participation, we will send you a contract form for your signature. Following that, we will send you an interview questionnaire, which will be referred to write your magazine profile. Our editorial team will pen down a creative story, which will be sent to you for your approval. If you have any queries or need any information regarding this opportunity, please let us know. Looking forward to have a word with you soon. Thanks and Regards, Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01D6EF6C.C834FAB0 *Jacob Eddy* *Business Development Manager *| *Mirror Review* Tel: +1(740) 521-9306 Mail: ja...@mirrorreview.com <mailto:ja...@mirrorreview.com> Web: www.mirrorreview.com <http://www.mirrorreview.com/> Description: cid:image002.png@01D73517.F5793400 <https://www.facebook.com/mirrorreviewofficial/>Description: cid:image003.png@01D73517.F5793400 <https://www.linkedin.com/company/13446144/>Description: cid:image004.png@01D73517.F5793400 <https://twitter.com/MirrorReview1>Description: cid:image005.png@01D73517.F5793400 <https://www.instagram.com/mirrorreview> // -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile/signal +39.348.5653829 - email it...@libreoffice.org GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [tdf-discuss] outdated LibreOffice Portable (MS Windows)
When in the past it was suggested by several people to get in touch with them to explore a closer collaboration, this was always refused because it would have "offended" John Haller (and they were linked only by the Italian community). So, I do not see why they should link to our infrastructure when they have been ignored (if not considered as second class citizens because of their geographical origins). In fact, they are doing a better job than John Haller, who is clearly not able of keeping up with our release schedule, and they do this without our help. I think that people can judge by themselves who is doing a better job of supporting LibreOffice with the regular availability of the last version of the software, and download what is more useful for their needs. On 25/03/2019 14:30, Andreas Mantke wrote: > Hello, > > I had a further and closer look onto the portableapps website and had to > amend: both download links go to the TDF infrastructure. > > And the webpage contains a prominent link to the TDF donation page. > > I don't see something similar on the winpenpack website. > > Regards, > Andreas > > Am 25.03.19 um 12:11 schrieb Andreas Mantke: >> Hello, >> >> instead of the winpenpack project the portableapps project has links to >> the TDF infrastructure. They have a download link to: >> http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/ >> >> I think the downloads from that URL will be counted in the TDF stats. I >> don't know, if TDF got also the stats from the other download URL of >> portableapps. Maybe the TDF admin team could ask John T. Haller about >> such stats, if they are not already in TDF's hands. >> >> And for the question about current versions: it needs always voluteers >> that do the work and get some positive feedback and support in return. >> >> Kind regards, >> Andreas >> >> Am 25.03.19 um 11:21 schrieb Italo Vignoli: >>> On 25/03/2019 07:08, Edmund Laugasson wrote: >>> >>>> What can we do to improve this situation? >>> There is an alternative developed in Italy: >>> >>> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/index.php >>> >>> They provide both LibreOffice 6.2.1: >>> >>> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1384 >>> >>> And LibreOffice 6.1.5: >>> >>> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1354 >>> >>> They usually release just a few days after TDF. >>> >>> They have many positive reviews. >>> >> > > -- Italo Vignoli - Marketing & PR email italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org mobile/signal +39.348.5653829 - skype italovignoli hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [tdf-discuss] outdated LibreOffice Portable (MS Windows)
WinPenPack is open source, and - according to many users - is better than Portable Apps. It is also maintained by volunteers, who seem to be more active and more caring about LibreOffice than John Haller as they have not missed a single release since we launched in 2011. I do not think that it would be a problem to host it on LibreOffice servers to be included in the stats. I would be happy to get in touch with them, and I suppose they would be happy to be considered by TDF (something which has not happened in the past). On 25/03/2019 12:11, Andreas Mantke wrote: > Hello, > > instead of the winpenpack project the portableapps project has links to > the TDF infrastructure. They have a download link to: > http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/ > > I think the downloads from that URL will be counted in the TDF stats. I > don't know, if TDF got also the stats from the other download URL of > portableapps. Maybe the TDF admin team could ask John T. Haller about > such stats, if they are not already in TDF's hands. > > And for the question about current versions: it needs always voluteers > that do the work and get some positive feedback and support in return. > > Kind regards, > Andreas > > Am 25.03.19 um 11:21 schrieb Italo Vignoli: >> On 25/03/2019 07:08, Edmund Laugasson wrote: >> >>> What can we do to improve this situation? >> There is an alternative developed in Italy: >> >> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/index.php >> >> They provide both LibreOffice 6.2.1: >> >> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1384 >> >> And LibreOffice 6.1.5: >> >> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1354 >> >> They usually release just a few days after TDF. >> >> They have many positive reviews. >> > > -- Italo Vignoli - Marketing & PR email italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org mobile/signal +39.348.5653829 - skype italovignoli hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [tdf-discuss] outdated LibreOffice Portable (MS Windows)
On 25/03/2019 07:08, Edmund Laugasson wrote: > What can we do to improve this situation? There is an alternative developed in Italy: http://www.winpenpack.com/en/index.php They provide both LibreOffice 6.2.1: http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1384 And LibreOffice 6.1.5: http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1354 They usually release just a few days after TDF. They have many positive reviews. -- Italo Vignoli - Marketing & PR email italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org mobile/signal +39.348.5653829 - skype italovignoli hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [tdf-discuss] New Tutorials website
On 16/03/2017 23:28, Dave Barton wrote: > While my contribution disappears into insignificance against that of > Italo, I can claim to have personally introduced somewhere between > two and three thousand individuals and several SMEs to become users > of LibreOffice. Hei Dave, thanks for the unexpected mention. I don't think I have done more than any other LibreOffice advocate, apart from targeting the public with the largest audience (journalists). -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile/signal +39.348.5653829 - email it...@libreoffice.org hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Flatpak is a Red Hat product?
The text of the announcement has been extensively reviewed by a large number of people, with different backgrounds (including, but but not limited to, Red Hat) and has been approved as such. Flatpak release has been backed by Red Hat, and the Flatpak packaging has been managed by Red Hat. Behind Flatpak there are many full time Red Hat employees. These are just facts about the project as of today. Il 7 Agosto 2016 9:16:23 PM Hugo Alejandro ha scritto: Hello everyone. I think there has been an error in the reference made in the article of Flatpak in the announcement of LibreOffice 5.2 (https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/08/03/libreoffice-5-2-fresh-released-for-windows-mac-os-and-gnulinux/) As they mentioned that Flatpak is a product of Red Hat when it is not. I have followed closely the development of Flatpak (formally xdg-app) and began as a project of Alexander Larsson under the support of the GNOME project. Compared with Snap by Canonical, iscommercial project as much difference (copyright, marketing, full-time employees, etc). See: http://flatpak.org/faq.html Hugo -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] ODF compatibility [was "Why Microsoft...]
Apologies for top posting, but I am writing from mobile. That article is
totally inaccurate, as there wasn't any court case between Microsoft and
the UK government. Microsoft announced a "best effort" support of ODF (as
well as Google) based on the UK government decision for ODF, but the
technical limitations of the office applications does not allow for 100%
fidelity, as Word redlining is totally incompatible with the standard and
Excel leap year bug does not allow to support date representation according
to the standard calendar (so called Gregorian). Issues with OOXML are so
many that perfect ODF compatibility will never be achieved by Microsoft Office.
Writing to members of UK parliament - who are not competent about document
formats (the decision was inspired by a technical committee of
international experts I was involved in, although I do not see myself as an
expert) - or OASIS ODF technical committee (they look after ODF technical
issues and not OOXML compatibility problems, which are a case of
competitive marketing) will never trigger an answer.
I personally think that the discussion is relevant for LibreOffice
advocates, because LibreOffice is ODF reference implementation and
LibreOffice advocates should know how to position the software against
other office suites. The case is not technical, as the document format is
the most important lock in strategies for proprietary office suites.
Best, Italo
Il 8 Luglio 2016 07:26:55 Edmund Laugasson ha
scritto:
Dear all,
There was also court case between Microsoft and UK government -
http://www.itproportal.com/2015/03/30/microsoft-will-adopt-open-document-standards-following-government-battle/
But it seems that Microsoft does not respect the results of that court case
- still the incompatibilities exist - how to solve this? Does anybody in
this list know more about that court case and possibly people who are
behind that? I would like to investigate that case a bit more. I tried to
contact with British parliament member but they did not respond even I used
all honour titles respectfully.
Thank you,
Edmund Laugasson
2016-07-07 17:22 GMT+03:00 Joel Madero :
> Is this the official statement of the OD-foundation or only yours?
>
> You know the GPL? This is a 100%-thing, too. You have to do it 100% or
> your are not allowed.
Well considering you're asking on a LibreOffice email list and not on
the OASIS email list - obviously I'm not speaking for OASIS
("OD-foundation"). Feel free to email them with your questions as this
seems like the wrong place for this discussion anyways.
Best,
Joel
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Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict
On 28/04/2016 09:15, mjollni...@laposte.net wrote: > The question is, how do we enforce the rules with the greatest > efficiency possible. Unfortunately, interoperability is strictly related to the user behaviour, and should become a topic for students in schools. Users should learn how to create interoperable documents, not only related to fonts but also to other document elements. > In my opinion, an automatic reply of the administration ingoing email > platform would be the best solution. It would reply automatically to > anyone who sends an email with a transitionnal OOXML attached. This > email would be written very carefully whith information about IGR v2, > about the 2 versions of OOXML and about what are the best practices > to communicate with a french administration (ODF). This could educate users, over the very long term (as most users will completely ignore the remark). > Therefore is the following question : What is the easiest way to know > wether a file is written in strict OOXML or not ? I am investigating the issue myself, as I will talk to an audience of public administration employees in Italy in two weeks, and I will have to cover the topic. > Or maybe just checking if a single file exists or not would tell us > if the file is strict or transitionnal ? For sure, MS Office 2013 used to have huge problems in handling OOXML Strict: http://www.italovignoli.org/2014/02/redmond-we-have-a-problem/. Microsoft answer on the topic is that I did something wrong as a user, because I created some content before saving the OOXML Strict, while MS Office defaults to OOXML Transitional when you enter contents (so, you cannot save as OOXML Strict a document with contents). By the way, this was scrutinized by the UK Cabinet Office. -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile +39.348.5653829 - email / jabber it...@libreoffice.org hangout / jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict
On 27/04/2016 23:54, Mike Hall wrote: > If you are promoting LO because it provides better interoperability, > shouldn't they be configured as equivalents? You could even prompt users > on save. Would this break something? I do not know, as I am not a developer. I have configured my instance of LibreOffice to replace Calibri and Cambria with Carlito and Caladea (there is a replacement table in Options > LibreOffice > Fonts). I will ask developers is this specific replacement, given the pervasiveness of Calibri and Cambria, can be set as a pre-defined option. -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile +39.348.5653829 - email / jabber it...@libreoffice.org hangout / jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict
On 27/04/2016 22:55, Simon Phipps wrote: > In fact it makes me wonder if these could be the default equivalents for > the C-fonts in LibreOffice? In fact, they are provided as equivalents, although the software is not configured to handle them as equivalents. -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile +39.348.5653829 - email / jabber it...@libreoffice.org hangout / jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict
Yes, the fonts come with Windows, but not with other operating systems. On MacOS, they are legally available with MS Office installed. On Linux, they are not available at all. C-Fonts cannot be legally embedded, although they can be mechanically embedded (and no one warns you about the legal risks). If you receive a document which embeds a C-Font, the font may end up being installed on your system (even if you are not allowed to use it because you do not own a license). Microsoft can legally pursue the owner of the C-Font license. By using C-Fonts, you are therefore producing documents with limited interoperability, even if you are legally allowed to use them (as you own a Windows license). C-Fonts are not interoperable also in technical terms, as they have a peculiar metric size, which is difficult to emulate. This means that a document where a C-Font is replaced with another font will be visually different, to the point that many users will believe that contents are not the same. I hope this helps. On 27/04/2016 20:43, Mike Hall wrote: > On 27/04/2016 13:42, Italo Vignoli wrote: >> Several people at TDF have been involved in the decision process and >> have contributed specific evidence about ODF and OOXML > I zapped your last message, but I wondered whether it was necessary to > have an MSO licence to use Calibri etc. This windows PC, originally Win > 7, now Win 10 has all the MS fonts but has never had MSO installed, > which seems to imply it's Windows rather than Office that brings in the > fonts? -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile +39.348.5653829 - email / jabber it...@libreoffice.org hangout / jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict
On 26/04/2016 12:46, mjollni...@laposte.net wrote: > Is it correct to say that the Transitionnal OOXML format is not > compliant with any international standard or norm ? Neither ECMA, nor > ISO, nor anything but MS$ itself. OOXML Transitional is not the standard format, but a tweaked version of OOXML integrating bynary blobs and other non standard components, which was supposed to help the transition from the legacy file formats to OOXML Strict (which is the only standard file format). > If so, Does this means that NO version of MS$ office (from 2010 to > the actual) writes BY DEFAULT in a standardized or normalised format. > (cf. > https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc179191%28v=office.16%29.aspx > for default formats) Yes. Every Microsoft Office version since 2007 defaults to OOXML Transitional, implementing a slightly different version of the OOXML Transitional non standard file format. Only MS Office 2013 and MS Office 2016 implement OOXML Strict, with a process that makes it virtually impossible for any normal user to get a real OOXML Strict file format (the user should save the document using the OOXML Strict option - listed as last of the "save as" options - before writing a single character). Because of this behaviour which intentionally prevents the creation of OOXML Strict files, the number of OOXML Strict files available is close to zero. In addition, Microsoft fonts used as default by MS Office since 2007 - known as C-Fonts or Calibri, Cambria, Candara, Consolas, Constantia and Corbel) - can only be used by MS Office licensed customers, as they are included in MS Office EULA, to add another level of incompatibility. > Is anyone confident enough in his knowledge of OOXML to acknowledge > this ? Maybe this place is not the best one to ask the question ? If > so, would please somebody advice me the best place to post the > question ? I am confident enough to answer most questions about OOXML issues. Please do note that after the UK decision on July 22, 2014, not even Microsoft has dared to define OOXML as standard in public, because it is perfectly clear that the file format is not standard and will never be a standard (after nine years and four different implementations of OOXML Transitional, which was supposed to last a maximum of two MS Office versions). -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile +39.348.5653829 - email / jabber it...@libreoffice.org hangout / jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict
On 27/04/2016 10:12, pasqual milvaques wrote: > In the sake of documenting this, the UK Cabinet Office decision can be > found here: > https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/open-standards-for-government/sharing-or-collaborating-with-government-documents Several people at TDF have been involved in the decision process and have contributed specific evidence about ODF and OOXML - not being a standard - to UK Cabinet Office. -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile +39.348.5653829 - email / jabber it...@libreoffice.org hangout / jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict
On 26/04/2016 15:09, pasqual milvaques wrote: > The 'transitional' variant of ooxml is specified in Part 4 of ISO/IEC > 29500 so it's standard, it's supposed that the features of the > transitional variant ease the transition from older formats, I'm not > sure if there is a plan for making the strict variant the default in MS > Office, in Office 2016 it's not yet OOXML Transitional is definitely not recognized as a standard, and is specified in Part 4 of ISO/IEC 29500 exactly because is not a standard (to make it clear how it differs from the standard). OOXML Transitional was accepted to ease the transition to the standard, and as such should have lasted only a few years, while it has been used by Microsoft as the default OOXML format since forever. In addition, OOXML Transitional is different for each version of MS Office, and the differences are not documented (only the first OOXML Transitional was documented). In addition, OOXML Strict - which is the ONLY accepted standard - is almost impossible to obtain by normal users, as the process is far from the usual one, as in order to have an OOXML Strict you must save the document before performing ANY action (as otherwise the format switches to OOXML Transitional, which is not a standard). UK Cabinet Office has clearly documented the reasons why OOXML is not a standard file format. -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile +39.348.5653829 - email / jabber it...@libreoffice.org hangout / jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Is the "Office Open XML" option strict?
Yes, LibreOffice targets Strict in addition to Transitional (because Strict does not exist, as the process to save Strict with MS Office is not limited to choosing Strict but also to the user behaviour, in a way that makes Strict almost impossible to obtain). MS Office will create a Strict file only if the user saves the Document as Strict before doing ANY other thing (for instance, adding a single letter or a simple space), as otherwise MS Office creates a Transitional file. In addition, MS Office opens Strict files as Transitional (the default format), so that the user must save it as Strict each time. If someone hits Ctrl-S, the file becomes Transitional and will NEVER revert to Strict. You can try yourself. This is why I am repeating that a Strict file does not exist (by the way, Office for Mac does not support Strict, so if you have a single Mac user, Strict is gone). I have made several tests, and Strict is close to impossible to obtain when exchanging files. I hope this explains the situation. Italo Vignoli Sent from Mobile > Il giorno 24 dic 2015, alle ore 22:59, Advrk Aplmrkt ha > scritto: > > Agreed. AFAIK Microsoft Office does not save Strict OOXML by default. > However, starting with Microsoft Office 2013, Strict OOXML can be > selected when saving files. Also, starting with Microsoft Office 2010, > Strict OOXML files can always be read. > > I whole heartedly agree that ODF should be pushed more than OOXML > (strict or not). > > That said, that still leaves my original very specific question unanswered: > > When saving to the "Office Open XML" format in LibreOffice's save > dialog, does that target the published *strict* OOXML format? Thanks! > >> On 23/12/2015, Italo Vignoli wrote: >> The issue is that MS Office does not support Strict OOXML as default, and >> creating Strict OOXML with MS Office is close to impossible. >> >> Il 23 dicembre 2015 9:31:58 PM avamk ha scritto: >>> Thanks krackedpress for your thoughts. I'm glad to hear that you have >>> been able to complete migrate away from Microsoft Office, and that it >>> has worked out well for you. >>> >>> Unfortunately, regardless of which Microsoft Office format I save in - >>> the old Office 2003 (.doc), Office 2007+ (.docx), or Office Open XML >>> (OOXML .docx) - there are always countless problems when others open >>> my documents. This gets even worse for spreadsheets or presentations. >>> LibreOffice produced .pptx files are literally reported as corrupted >>> by Microsoft Office 2010 and do not even open (I've reported this >>> bug). >>> >>> And no, I am not in a position to make everyone around me switch to >>> LibreOffice. I have already annoyed many colleagues by sending them >>> .docx/.xlsx/.pptx files saved by LibreOffice, because no one can open >>> them without serious trouble. This is especially true when my >>> colleagues include my boss. >>> >>> Recent versions of Microsoft Office (2013 and 2016) at least claims to >>> support the strict OOXML format, and that's why I asked my original >>> question: Does LibreOffice target strict OOXML when I choose the >>> "Office Open XML" format when saving a file??? Is this documented >>> somewhere? Is someone managing this? >>> >>> Assuming LibreOffice will continue to improve export to STRICT OOXML, >>> then there is a chance that Office 2013/2016 might be able to open >>> those files from LibreOffice one day. >>> >>> On 11/12/2015, krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] >>> wrote: >>>> On 12/10/2015 12:23 PM, avamk wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I was just reading yesterday that starting with Microsoft Office 2010, >>>>> Microsoft Office programs like Word and PowerPoint are able to read >>>>> files >>>>> saved in the Office Open XML (OOXML) "strict" format. In fact as far as >>>>> I >>>>> can tell Office 2013 or later natively supports reading and writing to >>>>> the >>>>> strict format. >>>>> >>>>> When saving in LibreOffice, I'm presented with the option to save my >>>>> file >>>>> in >>>>> the "Office Open XML" format. My questions are: >>>>> >>>>> (1) Does LibreOffice also save it in the "strict" OOXML format? Is >>>>> strict >>>>> OOXML fully implemented in LibreOffice? >>>>> >>>>> (2
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice PPA
PPAs are provided by the Ubuntu community. TDF provides the basic DEB package, which is the source for any distribution specific variant (such as the PPA). You cannot expect TDF to provide such a package (unless someone volunteers, but it will never be official from TDF). Italo Vignoli Sent from Mobile > Il giorno 24 dic 2015, alle ore 07:58, Edmund Laugasson > ha scritto: > > Dear all, > > Would like to ask about up-to-date LibreOffice PPA - would be there any? > Even Y-PPA could not find any. > > The https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa seems to be > outdated. > > Is there any TDF official LibreOffice PPA planned? > > Best Regards, > Edmund > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Is the "Office Open XML" option strict?
The issue is that MS Office does not support Strict OOXML as default, and creating Strict OOXML with MS Office is close to impossible. Il 23 dicembre 2015 9:31:58 PM avamk ha scritto: Thanks krackedpress for your thoughts. I'm glad to hear that you have been able to complete migrate away from Microsoft Office, and that it has worked out well for you. Unfortunately, regardless of which Microsoft Office format I save in - the old Office 2003 (.doc), Office 2007+ (.docx), or Office Open XML (OOXML .docx) - there are always countless problems when others open my documents. This gets even worse for spreadsheets or presentations. LibreOffice produced .pptx files are literally reported as corrupted by Microsoft Office 2010 and do not even open (I've reported this bug). And no, I am not in a position to make everyone around me switch to LibreOffice. I have already annoyed many colleagues by sending them .docx/.xlsx/.pptx files saved by LibreOffice, because no one can open them without serious trouble. This is especially true when my colleagues include my boss. Recent versions of Microsoft Office (2013 and 2016) at least claims to support the strict OOXML format, and that's why I asked my original question: Does LibreOffice target strict OOXML when I choose the "Office Open XML" format when saving a file??? Is this documented somewhere? Is someone managing this? Assuming LibreOffice will continue to improve export to STRICT OOXML, then there is a chance that Office 2013/2016 might be able to open those files from LibreOffice one day. On 11/12/2015, krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: On 12/10/2015 12:23 PM, avamk wrote: Hello, I was just reading yesterday that starting with Microsoft Office 2010, Microsoft Office programs like Word and PowerPoint are able to read files saved in the Office Open XML (OOXML) "strict" format. In fact as far as I can tell Office 2013 or later natively supports reading and writing to the strict format. When saving in LibreOffice, I'm presented with the option to save my file in the "Office Open XML" format. My questions are: (1) Does LibreOffice also save it in the "strict" OOXML format? Is strict OOXML fully implemented in LibreOffice? (2) Is it better to save using the "Office Open XML" format, or the formats named like "Microsoft Word/Excel/Powerpoint 2007-2013 XML"? Yes, for software freedom purposes I prefer saving in the Open Document Format, but I would get endless complaints from colleagues saying I'm sending them weird and "corrupted" files... :( In fact even if I save in the OOXML format I still get complaints, but at least I get less... The problem with OOXML is the fact that each updated version of MS Office seems to use a different version of OOXML. My solution for Word users is to use .doc instead of .docx. It works well for me and the people I have to work with that do not use LibreOffice. If you must use OOXML, do not use the generic Office Open XML. That may be the generic ISO standard that MS wanted but never used properly [IMO] after ODF became the defacto International Standard. I would use the one that states it is for MS Office 2007 / 2010 / 2013. To be honest, I no longer use MS Office and stopped getting MSO with 2003 version. I have used later version, but always removed them after a few weeks. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Is-the-Office-Open-XML-option-strict-tp4168963p4169906.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Online
On 22/12/15 13:30, Edmund Laugasson wrote: > /Will it be hosted by The Document Foundation?/ > / Yes: It will be hosted by The Document Foundation,/ i.e. source code will be available from TDF online repositories > ... and there will be no storage space then there is a question whether > there would be possible to use external (cloud) storages? Storage will be provided by the organization hosting LibreOffice Online (which is not going to be TDF). Again, it is too early to discuss these topics in a public mailing list. -- Italo Vignoli - Marketing & PR mobile +39.348.5653829 - email / jabber it...@libreoffice.org hangout / jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Online
Answers inline. On 22/12/15 11:43, Edmund Laugasson wrote: > What is Collabora Office (https://www.collaboraoffice.com/)? Is this the > LibreOffice Online? Probably not but it looks very much like > LibreOffice. I know that Collabora and also IceWarp are developing > LibreOffice Online. Collabora is developing LibreOffice Online, so the product is the same (when branded by Collabora, there will be additional services included, at a cost). > **Still the question remains whether LibreOffce Online would support > real-time writing (collaboration) or not?* Collaboration has been announced for the second half of 2016. > Also people are asking from me about storage space - would it be similar > like MS OneDrive and Google Drive - 15 GB for free LibreOffice Online will not be associated to an online storage space (unless provided by a third party, such as a telecom company). TDF is not going to enter that product arena, which has completely different objectives (advertising, or even others). LibreOffice Online will be have to be installed in a private cloud (a server owned by the user, within his private network). > Anyway - does anybody know some kind of roadmap when at least we can > speak about fully functional LibreOffice Online? First release will be in the first half of 2016, with collaboration added during the second half of 2016. Of course, all information provided here will have to be confirmed at launch time. As of today, it is way too early to start discussing about LibreOffice Online in public, to avoid speculations and foster wrong expectations (as in the case of the online storage). Best, Italo -- Italo Vignoli - Marketing & PR mobile +39.348.5653829 - email / jabber it...@libreoffice.org hangout / jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] a question about renaming LO version from 4.5 to 5.0
On 04/04/15 15:59, Lera Goncharuk wrote: > Could anybody explain, what is the reason for renaming LO version from 4.5 to > 5.0, to me please? The change has been discussed in the private marketing list, and is purely marketing based. It is going to be explained in detail with a messaging backgrounder I am currently drafting, and will be ready mid next week. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 email it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli email / hangout italo.vign...@gmail.com GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Incomplete Coverity scan chart
Data from the published report refet to LibreOffice 4.3, but the scan is always referring to the latest version. You should access the data from this link: https://scan.coverity.com/projects/211?tab=overview. On 18/01/15 17:16, Mateusz Zasuwik wrote: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.4#Coverity > The chart doesn't include date for LO 4.3. Why and who can repair it? I > also download Coverity report from their website and it turned out to be > report for old (4.3) version. Not for the new one just incoming. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 email it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli email / hangout italo.vign...@gmail.com GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Better PDF import?
On 21/06/14 11:07, Mateusz Zasuwik wrote: > I noticed you guys heavily work over many dead formats. But did anyone > think about better PDF Import? I lost my data lately and I had open some > old PDF files which turn out to be normal PDF (not hybrid PDF/ODT). I > opened it via LO but document was rendered within Draw, not Writer or > Impress as it should be done. You also should take account of fact that MS > Office opens every PDF file and easily convert it on its native format what > makes this software more useful for normal users. Hybrid PDF is cool > feature, but probably it won't become major file format for long time. The > market is dominated by normal PDF and in this area LireOffice just suck. So > maybe someone who assigns aims for future (TDF Board?) should regroup > thoughts once again and concentrates for features needed on a daily basis? The right behaviour is to open PDFs in Draw. Have you ever used MS Office 2013 to open a PDF? It sucks at least as much as any other software. PDF is based on PostScript, which is a page description language, and as such is extremely difficult to convert into an editable document. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Start 2014 with Freedom, Adopt LibreOffice in your life!
>>> Do you call the absolute dependence on developers' powertrips and their >>> uncontestable decisions 'freedom'? I have bad news for you then. > In my opinion they have not done anything new, better, more elegant, > than rebuilding things that already exist, and even doing so was not > always a success. > (seeing the more than 59000 bugs here: > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59030&list_id=321771 ) I do not see how you both contribute to the discussion here. If you are so unhappy with TDF and LibreOffice, the easiest solution is to find a house somewhere else. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - sip/jabber it...@libreoffice.org skype italovignoli - hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] iWork LibreOffice ODF.
On 11/3/13 5:00 AM, Laurence Jeloudev wrote: > 1. Would LibreOffice remove features in its full desktop suite, if it created > a mobile version with less features? No, we have a completely different strategy from Apple. > 2. Is iWork a threat to free office suites in terms of features, > compatibility and free office suites in general? No, it has a negligible market share. > 3. (maybe not related to LO. I may have to ask this question somewhere else.) > Why doesn’t Apple iWork suite have Open Document Format Support? (Apart from > being a proprietary product.) And i know apple provide textedit as a > replacement, so it is not like they don’t know what ODF is. Apple iWorks has extremely poor interoperability features. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - sip/jabber it...@libreoffice.org skype italovignoli - hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Tool Bar Icons...
On 4/25/13 10:13 AM, Angela wrote: > I've just recently upgraded LibreOffice on the EeePC 900 to LibreOffice 3.4.4 > OOO340m1 (Build:402). The mailing list where you can find other users willing to help you is the us...@global.libreoffice.org mailing list. This mailing list if for discussion of general topics, but you would not find many users here. In addition, LibreOffice 3.4.4 is two years old, as we are at LibreOffice 4.0.2. You should upgrade to the last, or close to the last as 3.6.6, version in order to check if there are issues. The version you have installed is way too old. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: End of Life support for MSO 2003 countdown ?
On 4/22/13 6:28 PM, Immanuel Giulea wrote: > The original intent of my message (sorry if I used the wrong mailing list) > was to make a blog post to say that we as a community are aware of the > end-of-life for MSO 2003 that is less than a year away, and here are some > reasons why you should make the switch. Don't worry, the mailing list is OK, although this might also be interesting for marketing people. Let's elaborate the idea, because a simple blog post is probably not enough. We should target magazines and websites covering e-government issues, because IT people might be reading these media. Unfortunately, politicians - who usually take the decisions - are not reading media but are prone to MS lobby efforts. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: End of Life support for MSO 2003 countdown ?
On 4/22/13 4:28 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Italo are you planning on taking advantage of other means besides social > networks such as google plus facebook twitter etc are you planning an > advertisement campaing through google adwords? We can probably enhance our Google AdWords by including terms related to MS Office end-of-life support, although we should make some research to get the right wording. Especially when you target this kind of long descriptions, Google AdWords become tricky, as you might completely miss your target by choosing the wrong association. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: End of Life support for MSO 2003 countdown ?
This mailing list is not dead, but we are all volunteers and we all have a family and a work to pay our bills. Sometimes, to reply to messages it takes some time. On 4/22/13 10:06 AM, Pedro wrote: > Regarding your subject, I think that LibreOffice could target those users > but there are two obstacles: the file conversion is not perfect AND (most > important) those users are already too used to MS Office. It is easier to > convince new users to work with a different product than to teach new tricks > to "old dogs". This does not reflect the reality, where most LibreOffice (and OpenOffice) users are coming from the Microsoft field, because they are fed up with license costs or simply looking for an alternative (this is the most frequent approach). The end of life for MS Office 2003 is a significant problem for companies, but not for individuals. Targeting companies is definitely more difficult than targeting individuals, but as far as I know most of them are already trying to manage the problem - at least in Europe - and many of them are looking at migrating to free software. TDF has published a white paper about migrating from Microsoft Office to LibreOffice, which is being translated in several languages. We can use such a document to educate companies and we can even make a version targeted to MS Office 2003 users. The fact that the file conversion is not perfect is not going to change. It will never be perfect, because Microsoft is deliberatedly creating formats which are impossible to emulate in order to reduce the interoperability (interoperability is the death of lock in, and lock in is the cornerstone of Microsoft business model). On the other hand, placing a counter on our website would not reach the potential target of MS Office 2003 users, unless they already know free software and LibreOffice (which would put them in a different group). We should make some hard noise in the Windows environment, using social media and traditional media. Let's brainstorm about a specific message for this target group. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bulletted list and space between the list items
Il 06/03/2013 03:51, Marc Paré ha scritto: I would like the list with less space between the lines ... Once you have the list, you can configure the distance between the items using the Format > Paragraph window, where you can set the space before and after, and the line height. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] How did AOO figure it was worth $21 Million dollars a day or $7 billion per year?
On 2/19/13 7:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > There are two base figures: (1) the average number of AOO full-install > downloads per day and (2) an estimated average price for a permanent > Microsoft Office desktop license. Rob used $150 US which is the price for > Office 2013 Home and Student. That includes service packs, etc., but not > upgrades to later versions of Microsoft Office. No, I have just bought a license of Office 2013 Home and Student for 79 Euro (I can send you a scan of the invoice). The regular price is lower by 30% (at least). In addition, people who were already using OOo (most of AOO user base) did not switch at all from MS Office, and therefore did not save any money. All migrations from MS Office during the last 12 months are to LibreOffice, and this is something that AOO people know very well. Instead of spreading false information (in a press release, which is even worse), AOO should provide numbers about the migrations from MS Office to AOO, if available. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [tdf-discuss] How did AOO figure it was worth $21 Million dollars a day or $7 billion per year?
On 2/19/13 7:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > SourceForge reports downloads by country. It appears that the number of > languages supported does not limit the locations where the downloads happen > (although destination country is necessarily an estimate, just as it is on > the ClustrMap of visitors to my web sites). Do you really believe that a Mongolian who was used to use OOo in Mongolian is happy to use AOO in English? This is just an example, but the concept is exactly the same for another 80 languages, which might be minor for someone speaking only English but are not minor for the people speaking that language. The update mechanism suggests the Mongolian to download the new version, but I really wonder that the new version in English will be used at all. Of course, the concept is difficult to explain to someone speaking only English, and willing to spread false information. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] How did AOO figure it was worth $21 Million dollars a day or $7 billion per year?
On 2/19/13 6:20 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > I suspect they multiply the standard package price of MS Office and > multiply that by their numbers of stated downloads, then divide it by > 365. At least that's how I would do it. Average number of downloads per day, multiplied by 150 dollars (which is the inflated average price of MS Office Home, as the price is less than 80 dollars now). By the way, they claim 236 countries and territories while their language versions are around 10% than that. Huge FUD by the master of IBM FUD, Mister Robert Weir. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice presence for DFD 2013
On 2/19/13 3:32 PM, Daniel A. Rodriguez wrote: > Please consider using some funds to accentuate the overall positioning of > LibreOffice taking advantage from this year's DFD. A TV spot maybe. A TV spot is way beyond any available budget. We are planning an announcement for the DFD, but is still to be confirmed. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com
Re: [tdf-discuss] Huge problems with big documents
On 2/7/13 9:07 AM, Giorgio Migliaccio wrote: > Please find attached the concerning (main) document. Mailing lists do not accept attachments. You should file a bug on Bugzilla, where you can describe the issue and attach the document. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [board-discuss] TDF @ End of 2012
On 1/18/13 10:14 AM, Tom Davies wrote: > They have that famous by-line/strap-line/whatever. Can we use that? > Can we include "Intel the power inside" (or whatever the line was)? No, we definitely can't, as this is a trademark for Intel. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Stepping back from The Document Foundation
Hi Florian, independent free software projects work like The Document Foundation. Of course, there is always a chance to develop a business around LibreOffice, but the core of the foundation will always be based on volunteer work and this, in my opinion, is not a problem but an advantage, because it protects our independence. Best, Italo -- Italo Vignoli Mobile +39.348.5653829 Email italo.vign...@gmail.com On Tuesday 15 January 2013 at 10:57, Florian Monfort wrote: > Hi Michael, > > I think I might have made it a little too dramatic... > > I'm not saying you don't meet my expectations, I'm saying you're doing > well, but I just don't feel comfortable with the way we actually work. > > Also that doesn't mean I'm totally leaving everything that is LibreOffice: > I'll keep on saying how awesome it is, I'm just stopping from following > mailing lists etc... > > As to starting a business, have to admit that this is something that goes > in my mind from time to time, just haven't figured out whether I really > want to do something like that or not yet. > > Thanks > > > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > > > Hi Florian, > > > > So - first, this belongs on the discuss list - please follow up > > there > > and not on the developers list where it is out of scope. > > > > On Sun, 2013-01-13 at 16:54 +0100, Florian Monfort wrote: > > > And that has consequences: we're too slow -acting.. > > > > > > As a foundation - IMHO we're pretty good at decision making :-) at > > least - compared to larger companies; still we're worse than small > > consultancy outfits. > > > > > And you can talk about "contributors", but the thing is, here it is > > > totally different: those guys are paid by Red Hat, Canonical or SuSe. > > > > > > > > > One third of our patches (and often the coolest ones that are not > > commercially driven but really improve stuff), come from un-affiliated > > volunteers. > > > > > The truth is the community is mainly made of people who are paid full > > > time for it: so YES, we should promote an actual "product", not a > > > community that is practically non existent. > > > > > > > > > I don't know where you get this 'truth' from :-) > > > > > But it looks like speaking of a "commercial offer" would sound crazy. > > > > What do you want to sell ? if it is such a good idea - why can't > > you > > start a VC funded firm (or whatever) to produce it, and be part of the > > LibreOffice community along-side other companies that make a business > > out of supporting and developing the project & their derived products ? > > Is there any real need to bet TDF's success on some business venture, > > for-pay-product etc. ? Ultimately we're a charitable non-profit > > foundation. Don't let me discourage you doing that though - if you have > > a good idea: start a business, and if it helps LibreOffice I'd be happy > > to help you help us. > > > > > Well I'm sorry to say I disagree with all this, and I'm thinking this > > > is too bad: LibreOffice could actually grow faster and with a larger > > > community, if at least people were capable of recognizing that > > > "business" is the actual model to adopt > > > > > > > > > Seriously; we have applied a -lot- of brain cycles collectively to > > the > > problem of how to make the project self-sustaining (OpenOffice was not), > > and create opportunity for businesses around it. If you're aware of some > > magic bullet that we are not - please discuss it on discuss@. If you can > > raise seed funding for your idea - I'd be most happy to help identify > > people to hire, etc. > > > > Anyhow - again, please follow-up only on discuss. Thanks for your > > contribution ! I'm sorry we didn't manage to met your high > > expectations :-) > > > > All the best, > > > > Michael. > > > > -- > > michael.me...@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot > > > > > > -- > *Monfort Florian* > BM2 Student at France Business School > Marketing Apprentice at Red Hat > florian.monf...@gmail.com > Mobile : +33 6 58 97 15 61 > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences
On 1/2/13 8:32 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: > The problem at Apache OpenOffice is IBM with its attitude vs free > software, which does not change with time. Apache OpenOffice is free > software, althoug the presence of IBM behind the project - together with > the permissive license - is scaring for volunteers (as it is > demonstrated by history). I think it is important to add that the problem is the software group at IBM, and not IBM as a company, although I would not mention IBM in ANY of our documents or web pages. We have decided a long time ago at BoD level to ignore AOO and IBM in every document originating from TDF, and the marketing is leading on this specific decision. I have not mentioned AOO and/or IBM in any presentation I have made since June 2011, and I have not answered any question on the subject (although I always get the question about AOO). In order to avoid flames and FUD attacks (Mr Robert Weir is a global authority on FUD), please do not mention AOO and IBM when preparing LibreOffice 4.0 marketing materials. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [us-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences
On 1/2/13 6:59 PM, Immanuel Giulea wrote: > LibreOffice is a true free libre open source software (FLOSS) whereas > Apache's project is not recognized to be a free software by the Free > Software Foundation. Apache Software Foundation is definitely supporting free software, and is one of the oldets, largest and most estimated foundation in FLOSS. The Document Foundation is a user of the Apache Web Server. I would avoid writing that Apache is not free software in ANY of our documents or web pages (actually, I would veto such a statement, as it does not reflect our attitude vs ASF as a free software foundation, which is extremely positive). Actually, The Document Foundation development environment has been inspired by ASF "rules for revolutionaries", which you can find here: http://incubator.apache.org/learn/rules-for-revolutionaries.html. Apache OpenOffice is a very peculiar project inside the Apache Software Foundation, as is the only desktop software in a number of server side software. The problem at Apache OpenOffice is IBM with its attitude vs free software, which does not change with time. Apache OpenOffice is free software, althoug the presence of IBM behind the project - together with the permissive license - is scaring for volunteers (as it is demonstrated by history). In any case, I would not use the license as a differenciator between AOO and LibreOffice, because the license does not create a difference for the average user. I would just write that LibreOffice has a larger number of developers because the copyleft license has been instrumental for attracting more volunteer developers. And a larger number of developers translates into a better product (in the medium to long term). > LibreOffice has received the backing from several commercial partners such > as Red Hat, Canonical, Intel, Google, etc. OK -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
ing the next >> generation of productivity, cloud computing, lacking the ecosystem >> of enabling server and consumer collaboration technologies >> likeSharePoint and SkyDrive. >> > Dropbox? UbuntuOne? AmazonWeb? There are several services for sharing > files between remote users. The only issue is which to chose. Also, IMHO > MS is pushing cloud centric models to drive users to a rental model for > MSO. If the data is in the cloud why not have the have MSO in the cloud > and charge a monthly rental fee to access both? MS probably hopes to > make more money this way. > > I have one rule: If sales/marketing is pushing a "solution" I ask, "Does > the solution really benefit me or does it benefit the vendor?" For most > cloud models, I do not see any benefit for renting software for me but > considerable benefit for the vendor. I see some benefit for sharing > documents between devices and others and this can be done independently > of any software. >> >> * Choosing Microsoft Office will help ensure that you can take >> advantage of the next generation of productivity software. >> > Pure marketing hype. Also, how many new features do users need? IMHO, > most users would like improved implementations of existing features not > many truly new features. Make the software better at what it does and > make useful but obscure features more accessible/visible. For example I > like any improvements for importing and exporting MSOX formats since I > receive them periodically. But this is not a new feature but improvement > to an existing feature. >> >> >> Is it possible to add this to a wiki or something please. We can work >> on it collaboratively :) > +1 - see inline comments >> >> Cheers, >> >> Immanuel > > Summary: > > Most of MS' talking points are about collaboration with others. LO > offers tools for collaboration with others so this is not the real > issue. The issue to MS is that LO does not offer a cloud version but > this ignores what really is needed for collaboration. What is really > needed is the ability to share files with other users and numerous > methods services are available to do this. Where the LO is installed is > not critical along as users have access to LO. IMHO, MS is trying to > push a software rental model using the cloud versus a software purchase > model. The rental model is likely to make more money for MS over the > life of the product. Assuming an annual rental of about $300 ($25/month) > one can easily spend more over time than if they purchased. LO and AOO > use the purchase model, the user installs locally but since LO and AOO > are both free the user has unlimited downloads/installs to any device. > > Another point is that MS is saying they support a wide variety of > devices which is not strictly true, they do not support many OS'. LO and > AOO have many official versions available for many devices but because > the source code is available users are able to compile/port either to > any device. One can argue LO and AOO can potentially support all devices > on the market while MS only supports selected devices/OS' with > unsupported users having no options. > > IMHO the MS security features are probably more dangerous because they > allow untrained users to make important security decisions. While there > are potential benefits the problem is that most users are well versed in > security issues. Thus they are liable to make serious mistakes when > implementing anything beyond password protection of a document. Also, MS > has a long, dismal history with security issues so why should one assume > they implemented best practices. > > Most direct feature comparisons are disingenuous because LO/AOO often > implement the same feature/functionality differently. Some cases LO/AOO > has a better implementation and in some cases MSO has the better one. > Also, when one downloads LO/AOO one gets the entire suite while MSO is > offered with different retail selections so direct comparison should > specify which MSO retail selection is being discussed. LO is clearly > more feature rich than the less expensive MSO variants by virtue of > including everything. > > Integration with Outlook, IMHO, sounds good but is really not that > useful and the principal functionality can be replaced by other FOSS > options. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
On 12/29/12 7:36 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: > I really would like to know how much MSO feels that LO and OOo are going > to take their market away for them to spend time to make this second > version of this document. I made some rough calculations back in 2009, when OOo numbers peaked before the Oracle acquisition and the fork. Numbers were unfortunately limited to Italy, as I could access to more detailed figures about the market, and I could verify - although informally - the numbers with analysts (personal friends). In 2009, OOo in Italy reached a market penetration higher than 20%, although there were many users of both suites. I estimated around 10% of unique OOo users, in a market with around 20 million users of desktop office suites. At 2009 price, 1 million licenses of MS Office at the discounted price of 150 Euro per license (an estimated average between the large account price and the single user price) were worth 150 million Euro over 3/4 years (the length of the MS license). MS Italy in 2009 had an estimated turnover of 750 million Euro, which means that OOo eroded something between 5 and 10% per year. Enough for creating the first version of the document. In 2012, LO has made inroads in several large government organizations, and some private companies (although the latter are shy about making it public, as they know that this would bring in immediately the MS salesman). I do not know how much LO has been able to erode in term of MS Office licenses, but we must always remember that the Office Division is still MS cash cow with slightly less that 30 billion dollars turnover. This explains the second version of the document. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] TDF @ End of 2012
Document Foundation. Florian Effenberger has been active inside the OOo project from 2004 to 2010, as infrastructure and then marketing lead, and has been a founder of TDF. During all these years he has put an incredible amount of hours - of his personal time - behind free software, OOo and LibreOffice. >From now on, Florian will devote his working hours to TDF, and will add the usual amount of volunteer hours for his BoD duties (which must be volunteer based, according to our statutes). Florian Effenberger is going to be a tremendous asset for TDF, because he knows perfectly our ecosystem, he is a true free software advocate, and he is knowledgeable not only on administration and infrastructure but also on marketing. Looking at 2013 and beyond, The Document Foundation is ready to face every challenge, and win over the competition not only by providing a better product but also by creating a different and better ecosystem for free office suites. So far, TDF has been an exciting journey, and I am sure that what has happened is just the first chapter of a long and successful history. Best wishes to all of you. Ciao, Italo -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for the enterprise
Not at all. CloudOffice was a strictly proprietary product, which I understand it was based on a different code base (but I might be wrong as I am not a developer). On 10/16/12 12:36 PM, Flavio Moringa wrote: > I wasn't aware of that... does it have any relation with CloudOffice? -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for the enterprise
Private clouds, or public clouds of third parties (like an ISP). On 10/16/12 12:38 PM, Florian Monfort wrote: > But does that mean this is meant to be a solution available on Document > Foundation servers ? Or a solution that enterprises could deploy locally ? -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for the enterprise
We have announced - and shown - a working prototype of LibreOffice OnLine one year ago, at the Paris Conference. Developers are not only aware of it, but they have already worked at developing a prototype, and we should be able to announce a beta version sometime in 2013. There have been several articles covering the subject, and somewhere you can even find a video of the working prototype (main developer has been Michael Meeks). On 10/16/12 11:26 AM, Florian Monfort wrote: > But do you think this can be adressed to developers and see what they think > about getting on it ? -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [board-discuss] Re: extending CfL deadline for LibOCon 2013
On 10/12/2012 05:57 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: I fear this is nearly impossible. I do see the problem, but we are a global community, and I don't know of a single month where nowhere in the world there's an important conference taking place. At the beginning of the year, I started to compile an event calendar, and it was cluttered every week with events and tradeshows... In addition, we have date constraints from organizers, because venues are available only in certain months and weeks (universities, for instance, cannot host such a large event during lessons semesters as they do not have enough rooms). -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Reminder: BoD call this Wednesday
I will not be able to attend the call, and therefore I ask Bjoern Michaelsen to represent me. Best regards, Italo -- Italo Vignoli Mobile +39.348.5653829 Email italo.vign...@gmail.com On Monday 6 August 2012 at 13:24, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hello, > > this is a short reminder that the next BoD call will take place this > Wednesday at 1500 UTC. > > The agenda you can add your items to, as well as the dial-in details, > are available at the usual place: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Meetings > > In case you want a deputy to jump in for you, please state so on this > list in time. > > Looking forward to hearing you, > Florian > > -- > Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) > Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 > The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany > Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts > Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > >
Re: [tdf-discuss] IBM plans to contribute the Symphony code to Apache OpenOffice, soon.
theUser BL wrote: > Here some links: > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/18332 > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Contribution > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony We are on top of this. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Invitation to the LibreOffice Hackfest 2012 in Hamburg
Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > Nerdshirt.de kindly sponsors us ten T-shirts for the participants. We just > decided to give those to the first ten people, who added themselves to the > participant list completely with their name and shirtsize(*). First come, > first > serve here as is with travel bursaries and couch surfing, which is kindly > provided by some of the Hamburg Hackers. So, first T-Shirt is going to be mine. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Security Advisories
NoOp wrote: > It would be nice if someone 'official' (ala TDF) could post the > CVE-2012-0037 notice on both the user and announce lists. It is now reported on the blog post. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Impress Bug for pptx files.
On 2/23/12 9:18 AM, lj wrote: > Could somebody please help me with this bug... that is occuring in > libreoffice impress. This mailing list is not supposed to deal with bugs, and adding another message here will not help in solving the bug. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] How developers scare end-users away from filing bugs
I step in the discussion, as I am a Mac user (although not really skilled in catching and reporting bugs). I have some comments below. On 2/14/12 5:52 AM, adept techlists - kazar wrote: > Problem description: > Steps to reproduce: > 1. Open a spreadsheet that has data in some cells. I have tested with > .csv and .ods OK, done. > 2. Click on a populated cell, start typing a few letters (i.e., to > replace what was there OK, done. > 3. Press Undo (Cmd-Z) to undo your edit (i.e., in hopes of restoring the > original contents of the cell). Press Undo again. Maybe again. If you press Enter and set the content of the cell, then the subsequent Cmd-Z works without any problem and restores the original content of the cell which has just been edited. If you do not press Enter and press Cmd-Z while you are still in editing mode, then you see some random content and you are never able to restore the original content of the cell. When you are in editing mode (i.e., before pressing Enter), you should press Esc to restore the original content (this brings you out of editing mode without applying the change). So, the fact that Cmd-Z does not restore the original content of the cell while you are still in editing mode cannot be considered a bug as the right command while in editing mode is Esc (Escape). I do not know if the random content that shows up when pressing Cmd-Z while you are still in editing mode can be considered a bug (actually, the random content that shows up is the same on Mac and Linux, as I have just tested the same file on both platforms, and thus it might be related to the file). I hope all this helps. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Hi Don, I have read your email, and I understand there is a huge perception asymmetry between us, which I will try to explain with a blog post (as I do not feel appropriate to discuss this on a mailing list). Best regards, Italo Italo Vignoli Mobile +39.348.5653829 Email italo.vign...@gmail.com On 07/feb/2012, at 03:53, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: > IBM has not been bashing LibreOffice. > > Italo, call me if you want to discuss. There is no 'bashing' going on. > Please stop. We are both open source projects, Apache and TDF. Let's start > to have some respect showing please. It will help everyone. > > Personal blogs are personal blogs. There is no enmity toward LibreOffice > from IBM. Let me be clear. Yes, we have some difference of opinion on > foundations and licensing and so on, but we share a common passion. I hope > you see this. > > What is this talk about a competitor product? The Apache OpenOffice > project does not seek to compete with LibreOffice. > > It's time to stop this nonsense. > > Respectfully, > > /don > > Donald Harbison > Program Director > IBM Open Document Format Initiative > Software Group > > Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 > > > > From: Pedro > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org, > Date: 02/04/2012 09:37 AM > Subject:[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;) > > > > > italovignoli wrote >> >> IBM has never been involved in TDF, and has been openly bashing TDF and >> LibreOffice on personal blogs of IBM employees and AOOoI mailing lists. >> Sorry, but IBM is off topic here. >> > > I am well aware of all that (IMO some IBM employees bashing TDF on their > blogs and on public mailing lists and forums, does not make it a corporate > decision ;) ). > > Yet, this is also about a competitor product based on the same (original) > source code. > > The migration to the Cloud seems quite interesting and fit for a general > discussion list ;) > > Especially because a cloud version or cloud connected version of > LibreOffice > is in TDF's plans? > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3715573.html > Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
On 04/02/2012 15:33, Pedro wrote: > The migration to the Cloud seems quite interesting and fit for a general > discussion list ;) IBM Docs is a proprietary product based on a completely different code base, and therefore does not belong to the same "family" of products. > Especially because a cloud version or cloud connected version of LibreOffice > is in TDF's plans? Again, the product is going to be a different one. IBM Docs is competing with Google Docs, and they are for the so called "global cloud", which is something very exciting as a buzzword but very unlikely to take off as a corporate solution (it would mean that the corporate client give IBM/Google their documents, as they would be stored on IBM/Google servers). LibreOffice On Line will address private clouds, which are the ones going to be deployed by corporations (the server where the application is running is a private server, which can be accessed by the employees of the company, and stores safely their documents). -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] IBM is alive ;)
On 04/02/2012 13:40, Pedro wrote: > Interesting news on this site > http://www.addictivetips.com/internet-tips/ibm-docs-google-docs-like-office-suite-with-advance-share-options/ IBM has never been involved in TDF, and has been openly bashing TDF and LibreOffice on personal blogs of IBM employees and AOOoI mailing lists. Sorry, but IBM is off topic here. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] A marketing lesson!
On 12/21/11 12:12 AM, Pedro wrote: > http://pdf-pro-online.com/ Certo Business Solutions B.V. is a well known spam and phishing company, registered in the Bahamas and in the Netherlands. If you do some googling you will find quite a large number of people cheated by this company into buying Google Earth or other software. I would avoid being associated with such a company. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Status of .docX etc.
On 13/12/2011 14:43, Harold Fuchs wrote: > Can LO read/import these formats for *editing*? All of them? If not, which? Yes, all of them. > Can LO write/export these formats? All of them? If not, which? Yes, all of them, although - given the immense complexity and the non standard nature of MS Office formats - interoperability is not perfect, and the layout of the documents might have slight differences. If and when MS will release a standard implementation of OOXML (4 years after the standardization is a long enough time frame to raise serious doubts), LO will be able to improve the interoperability. In any case, a format that needs a 7.200 pages manual is intrinsically far too complex (ODF manual is just over 1.000 pages, i.e. still a huge document, although 5 times smaller). -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PDF import extension
On 11/12/2011 23:11, Alexandre Silveira wrote: > Many resources located in extensions have been discontinued in recent > migrations. You have to call all old developers of OpenOffice to make > all key updates for the new LibreOffice licenses. Extensions developers have been invited to load their extensions on our repository. Some have accepted and some have refused (or have simply ignored the invitation), and we cannot force anyone to act. > This is a market need. The public sector is using LibreOffice and need > this "governance" from TDF. We are talking regularly with public companies (and with private companies as well). Although I am not updated on everything, I do not think that there are really useful extensions which have been ignored by the project. Of course, there are license issues and contribution issues, which we cannot solve without the collaboration of each individual. In addition to being ourselves decent professionals in our fields of competence, we have an advisory board where there are companies such as SUSE, RedHat and Google. In addition, public bodies such as Region Ile de France (France) and SERPRO (Brazil) are seriously thinking about entering our advisory board. We perfectly know that LibreOffice is at the center of an ecosystem, and we will be working at developing the business based on the office suite (because only with a sound business ecosystem we can think of developing good free software). -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PDF import extension
On 11/12/2011 23:08, Pedro wrote: > So if development continues, I suppose it means that Oracle doesn't > own it, right? > I was confused because 5 of the extensions installed with LO > (including PDF Import) still say Oracle. We use the last GPL licensed version, which is - and will always be - copyright by Oracle. The copyright, though, is not a problem as long as the code is licensed under GPL. I do not think, but I might be wrong, that AOOo will update this extension, because it relies heavily on GPL components which should be substituted. Of course, they might decide to write a new PDF rendering engine under Apache License, which we could easily use. > TBH I don't really like "locked" extensions. I prefer to do a Custom > install, remove all Extensions and then add manually only the ones I > choose (but unlocked) You can easily do this on Windows by choosing the custom installation. > So I guess there is a chance that in the future there is a separate > PDF Import extension available in the Extension repository? I hope so, as well. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PDF import extension
On 11/12/2011 20:13, Alexandre Silveira wrote: > Because a specific is ignoring major users requests, which is not a > minority group. I do not think that the project is ignoring end user requests. PDF Import has been bundled with LibreOffice since the first release, and this shows how much TDF considers it important. On the other hand, TDF resources are not infinite, and sometimes it is really difficult to keep the pace with the market. I do not remember any discussion about dropping PDF Import, so I assume that the development will continue and the extension will be bundled with LibreOffice 3.5 (as with the previous versions). -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Is Microsoft getting worried about free Office suites?
> > I do believe that currently LibreOffice is the leading alternative to MS > > Office (but would love to see some numbers :) ) > It certainly is on Linux. On Windows I'm not sure. On the Cloud, its > Google. That is why MS is looking at new ways of gaining income. LibreOffice on Windows suffers from a lower awareness than OOo, which is still leading (although fading away for a number of reasons). Based on the OOo experience, it will take another two years to get enough traction to have an impact on Windows end user adoptions, while - on the contrary - enterprise deployments are already increasing in most geographies. Microsoft is losing the file format lock in, and is trying to find other ways to keep users connected. Of course, the high upfront cost of the Office license is a barrier to upgrades and first time adoptions, and they are trying to get around it. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [POLL] own forums
On 11/10/11 11:56 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: sadly, I didn't manage yet to read all messages, but I will and will reply to. But I think (correct me if I'm wrong) we have reached a stage where we should maybe have a quick poll on whether to go with our own forums or not. If yes, we then can later on decide which software to use, branding details etc. Right now, I'd just like to have clarified whether we go with own forums in general. +1 -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice in press release about extensions
Christophe Strobbe wrote: Thanks for your comment. I have changed the paragraph to: "LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source office suite based on the OpenOffice.org source code. It is a community-driven project of The Document Foundation. The Document Foundation was formed in September 2010 and has released several new versions of LibreOffice since that time. New code in LibreOffice is developed under a double license: GNU Lesser General Public License Version 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla Public License (MPL)." Look good now. Another small glitch: the license should read LGPLv3+ as it is supposed to cover all future versions (if the + is missing, then is only LGPLv3, and we could not switch to future versions of LGPL). -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice in press release about extensions
Christophe Strobbe wrote: "LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source office suite developed by The Document Foundation as a fork of OpenOffice.org. The Document Foundation was formed in September 2010 and has released several new versions of LibreOffice since that time. New code in LibreOffice is developed under a double license: GNU Lesser General Public License Version 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla Public License (MPL)." I don't like "as a fork of OOo", and I would rather prefer "based on OOo source code". Of course, the concept of the fork is correct, but as the reality is that every flavour of the legacy StarOffice source code is now a fork (AOOo is more of a fork than LibreOffice) I would avoid to label LibreOffice as such. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] phpbb for the official LO forums
On 11/5/11 11:37 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > On 05/11/2011 11:35, Alexandre Silveira wrote: >> The main problem is well driven end user support. L.O and T.D.F are >> linked. ODF should be the primary objective and all related production >> content that can be implemented by all end users for all kind of needs. > Now we are getting into the nitty gritty details of what topics the > forum should cover. At this stage we are trying to determine which > platform to use. These though are all valid comments and ideas Hi, there is a posting netiquette that should be respected (here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette). Top posting is a PITA but also bottom posting without appropriate trimming. Thanks. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] phpbb for the official LO forums
On 11/4/11 7:56 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > many users have made *very* clear to me several times that they want a > "real" forum they know, like phpBB. Otherwise, I would have simply gone > with Nabble, so I'm a bit hesitant... I agree with Florian. Users want a forum, and this has been made very clear by many people. After having been accused of ignoring user needs because we didn't have a real forum, any other solution, at this stage, would be perceived in a negative way. Please remember that users are different from developers. As a user, I find stackexchange simply unacceptable (would really like to know who has had the idea). Users do not want to study the solution. They want to write a question, and get an answer. Simple problem, with a simple answer. Stackexchange makes it complex, in a useless way. I have been on the site for ten minutes, and I haven't been able to understand what I was supposed to do. I am usually considered a power user (sometimes, even a geek, at least in the marketing environment), and I don't see how something like stackexchange can be considered a better alternative to mailing lists and forums. Best, Italo -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] XAdES digital signature extension
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/11 7:27 PM, Davide Dozza wrote: >>> Contributors for extending and porting to LibO are welcome. Davide, it is impossible to access the page since you have sent the first message to the mailing list. There is a cached version, but the extension cached is not the final one. I have tried with a Mac and a Linux box, but the result is the same. - -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOtDZ5AAoJEMNAADSA0bv/VawH+QF8ZxrWkp/ZzIFxjjiH6vDC jjHb7IOnvapkNcLLjTURk+KLfobZAr7Mif92+juOGs32P7Be1+XMPcyq8V2JyskO FXeA7TLFNT8zp3oOotjcPSW7xRoV+i4w0Q7cICGsHeeemO8gRaDUCByi0Uem3gSl QUGPgm7kAj/nrAi0RVlsG6UzIaw8ifrFTQwTSnSFldJHaIpVkJyeJL/mVzfNaFdJ pQI7u4uXXdMk3GOanLyng849mL1MJUtCU1IWVyOQ7+c3zPY8nRwY9qVoEpqW/eJd 9OrdmJsesXIimPN5CWPasNgAD26djHGxobahGcAUwL0T6FyPphJWUQnORgPNeIs= =y2yN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] BoD and deputies: vote on fixed times for regular BoD calls
On 11/3/11 5:36 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > 9pm your time is 10pm my time, which means I would be on the phone until > 11pm or even 1130pm. This is, at least for me, simply too late during > the week. I guess that affects many people who have to get up early, but > I'm of course open to other opinions here. Can you re-post the Doodle link? Thanks. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] XAdES digital signature extension
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/3/11 5:54 PM, Davide Dozza wrote: > http://oxsit.yacme.com/ Ciao Davide, the link doesn't work. - -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOstWEAAoJEMNAADSA0bv/bZkH/0vONP6V8Ug5qxhCSKOt9aBV 4OTijpLP8Zpuu46eRaMaLmyRTqcekGzkJ3k75UjS0LFX9p5/m76/ZN5jjnv+ulOM 97mDfkc1GY7+uXG6GNdLOEurjdWniS8IikkNypD/DGW56P5HLZuf0F6MdRhj1LkC qUL++lDFMY6hrBHjKfY/vS7qPtxgoLCovyHtjr+GRYbHgDVIWXufWCNiheMG4wa0 QK2ULUAdHSHlxTm/8yHadKXPBc8f8eV1ooeJsfN1yunCXzsfVSGxIKyXeVZusPmg +WxsfBI57iu9MLDQDz2bBg7LEDB+dy2It6yC23T/P1oeD8Ay9QkZier8+p4WGCE= =XQK6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
On 10/29/2011 11:37 AM, Olivier R. wrote: Did TDF offer to host forums ? Yes -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
On 10/29/2011 10:16 AM, Olivier R. wrote: AFAIK, forums migrated on Apache server only because TDF has always favored mailing-lists and seemed to have low respect for forums. Before Apache, TDF seemed not concerned with forums hosting. When we started the project in 2010, "human" bandwidth was limited, and managing forums - which need more dedication than a mailing list, and a number of focused volunteers - would represent a problem. We have never favoured mailing lists, and we have always had a lot of respect for forums. What has happened, is that forum admins have never had the patience to wait for the LibreOffice project to grow and mature over time, and get the human bandwidth necessary to host the forums. Recently, we have offered a server - without any condition - to host the forums, but the admins have decided to go to Apache. The answer I got when I wrote to the ooo-user@apache mailing list is a testament of forum admins positioning (no answer at all). The unfortunate situation at Apache, where an increasingly higher number of people exercise their right of spreading FUD over TDF (and this includes people in forums, and is very easy to spot their names), and a number of forum admins who have expressed their hostility vs TDF, do not make it acceptable - IMHO - to have the LibreOffice forum at Apache. LibreOffice is going forward and bringing new features to users, with an increasingly different code base. OOo is going backwards, because of the meaningless "license sanification" imposed by Apache (one of the forum admins has recently asked a question on this subject, which - of course - has not been answered). I think that this is the situation that we are facing today. Of course, we do not want to upset or divide the user base, but on the other hand we start to be pissed off by the attitude of some people. If forum admins are reading this thread, I think this is the right opportunity to have an open discussion. If forum admins are not reading mailing lists, we can switch the discussion to the forum (I am open to any positive solution). Best, Italo -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] The Document Foundation publishes (some) details of LibreOffice 3.4.3 security fixes
On 10/12/11 4:19 AM, NoOp wrote: > Now I guess the remaining question is if this security fix is also > included in 3.3.4. Yes, it is: "backported to 3.3.4". -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsupported Components (@Karl Morten Ramberg )
On 10/03/2011 06:20 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote: It's the last sentence "Impress, draw and base is as of now totally unsopported" that I'm concerned about. Does this sentence mean that LO is not currently doing *anything* to support/enhance these components or *only* that there is no work being done on them in relation to HTML5? The sentence refers to a plugin supposed to read ODF documents inside a browser, which - so far - is reading only Writer and Calc files. It is not developed by TDF, so the sentence is not referring to LibreOffice development. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5
On 10/3/11 11:07 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > There has been a proposal to try and get ODF recognised as an official > extension of HTML5. I think that this is something that should be addressed to OASIS, as the body responsible for the ODF standard, for a technical evaluation. OASIS can address W3C and Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group (WHATWG) on a technical basis, and a joint group of experts can evaluate if ODF fits into HTML5. I am sure that Rob Weir will provide a better explanation of what might and might not happen about ODF and HTML5. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting...
On 10/02/2011 08:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: 1. I would have preferred that the last paragraph under "Top-Posting vs. Bottom-posting" followed the "Avoid Advocacy" guidance better. On the whole, I find the page admirable, civil, and useful. You are right. I have amended the paragraph, and I have also changed the Avoid Advocay section to improve the clarity. 2. I have an offer. What formatting by senders will most powerfully serve those on [libreoffice-accessibility]? What do those with access limitations confirm to be the best that works for all of them? Whatever *that* is, I will do everything in my power to honor. I am not an expert about accessibility, but I recall that this is one of the cases where top posting is the best choice. I suggest to have a double check, though, as I am not competent in this domain. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting...
On 30 September 2011 02:46, NoOp wrote: I must say that I *am* surprised that LO haven't the technical/political ability/tenacity to properly post information regarding this issue in the same manner as the links provided (OOo, Mozilla, Ubuntu, et al). I have published a comprehensive Mailing List Netiquette, which should satisfy your needs. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette Of course, a mailing list netiquette is just a reference document, and we cannot kill people who ignore it (the majority of users ignore the simple existence of the netiquette). -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
Same, use individual emails. On 9/28/11 1:17 PM, Hirano Kazunari wrote: > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. -- Italo Vignoli tel +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 it...@italovignoli.com skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] UPDATED Candidacy: Personal Profile of a Marketer
I have realized that the link to my very personal story was wrong. PLEASE BE WARNED, THIS IS NOT A TOTALLY SERIOUS PROFILE Who am I? At 57, I am the grandfather of The Document Foundation, but I can anticipate that you will find me jumping around for a long time as I plan to work full time on advocating FOSS when I will retire in eight years (good marketing planning looks at the long term...). During my working life, I have done quite a few things, that you can find summarized in my Linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/italovignoli. If you want to know how I ended up in marketing of technology products with a background in humanities, you can read my very personal story, which I wrote for the tenth anniversary of ComputerWorld Italy: http://www.italovignoli.com/?p=557. The story is in Italian, but I can anticipate that it is written in a style which makes Google Translate shine, apart from some hiccups. Of course, this is the absolute truth. It all happened in June 1982. What I have done for TDF? Don't look at statistics, as you won't find my name anywhere. I've just tried to do what I know best: provide some marketing advice, and try to make TDF and LibreOffice as popular as possible by engaging the media. I have also gone a few miles around to represent TDF at conferences in Chicago, Zagreb and Athens, and I will also be speaking at LinuxCon Europe in Prague in October. What motivates me to work for TDF? I have a professional challenge: with a marketing budget of zero (in letters it looks bigger), outsmart corporations with a marketing budget with six or more zeros (and with a number in front which makes it more significant). I have managed to achieve this objective at OOo in Italy, and I would like to achieve the same objective at TDF. What will I be doing, should I get elected? I promise that I will never write a single line of code, and this is quite important for software stability. In addition, I will cook pasta at hackfests and on spare time I will handle some marketing and media relations. I am also going to have an awful lot of fun, as any serious grandfather deserves when he is close to retiring. END OF PARTIALLY SERIOUS PROFILE I promise I will be more serious when answering additional enquiries. Ciao, Italo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Candidacy: Personal Profile of a Marketer
M Henri Day wrote: > Was looking forward to reading your very personal story, Italo - without the > aid of Google Translate - but was unable to find it on the Linkedin page to > which you linked above. Is the following the blog you had in mind ( > http://www.cwi.it/2010/02/01/nasce-il-nuovo-blog-sistemaperto-riflessioni-in-liberta-sullopen-source/) > or, if not, could you point me to another ?... Sorry, the link was totally wrong, I have re-sent the message with the right link: http://www.italovignoli.com/?p=557 -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Candidacy: Personal Profile of a Marketer
PLEASE BE WARNED, THIS IS NOT A TOTALLY SERIOUS PROFILE Who am I? At 57, I am the grandfather of The Document Foundation, but I can anticipate that you will find me jumping around for a long time as I plan to work full time on advocating FOSS when I will retire in eight years (good marketing planning looks at the long term...). During my working life, I have done quite a few things, that you can find summarized in my Linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/italovignoli. If you want to know how I ended up in marketing of technology products with a background in humanities, you can read my very personal story, which I wrote for the tenth anniversary of ComputerWorld Italy: http://www.linkedin.com/in/italovignoli. The story is in Italian, but I can anticipate that it is written in a style which makes Google Translate shine, apart from some hiccups. Of course, this is the absolute truth. It all happened in June 1982. What I have done for TDF? Don't look at statistics, as you won't find my name anywhere. I've just tried to do what I know best: provide some marketing advice, and try to make TDF and LibreOffice as popular as possible by engaging the media. I have also gone a few miles around to represent TDF at conferences in Chicago, Zagreb and Athens, and I will also be speaking at LinuxCon Europe in Prague in October. What motivates me to work for TDF? I have a professional challenge: with a marketing budget of zero (in letters it looks bigger), outsmart corporations with a marketing budget with six or more zeros (and with a number in front which makes it more significant). I have managed to achieve this objective at OOo in Italy, and I would like to achieve the same objective at TDF. What will I be doing, should I get elected? I promise that I will never write a single line of code, and this is quite important for software stability. In addition, I will cook pasta at hackfests and on spare time I will handle some marketing and media relations. I am also going to have an awful lot of fun, as any serious grandfather deserves when he is close to retiring. END OF PARTIALLY SERIOUS PROFILE I promise I will be more serious when answering additional enquiries. Ciao, Italo -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On 09/20/2011 11:07 PM, drew wrote: I would certainly not object to doing such a thing - for a first thought on what that would mean: Perhaps the new BOD could pay a one time handling fee of 5% (I took the number from my understanding of what SPI charges for this) for all monies collected by FrODev into the TDF account at FrODev up to the time that account is closed and the TDF books and accounts are opened. I think this is a very wise suggestion, and I think we should take it into careful consideration. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Paris Conference Programme Uploaded, please share!
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > The 1st LibreOffice Conference Programme and schedule is online here: > http://conference.libreoffice.org/programme/ I will distribute the press release tomorrow, also to the announce mailing list, and I will post on the blog (everything around lunchtime). -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] [OT] Pasta Recipes
Recipes of pasta hacked in Munich are now online: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest2011#Pasta_Recipes -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] More statistics
Sorry for top posting, writing from the smartphone. We will be improving the statistics, but do not expect anything before the conference in Paris (where we will make a specific presentation). Italo Vignoli Mobile +39.348.5653829 Email italo.vign...@gmail.com On 05/ago/2011, at 10:41, Mark Wielaard wrote: > Hi, > > There was a little discussion on lwn.net about the staggering amount of > support that LibreOffice is seeing. I hunted down some statistics from > various pages because at first I also couldn't believe the numbers: > https://lwn.net/Articles/454200/ > >According to ohloh (BTW is there a free alternative to that >service?) it is even more than 400 committers over the last >year: http://www.ohloh.net/p/libreoffice/factoids/7758072 > >cia.vc also reports a staggering amount of commit messages: >"32812 messages since the first one, 0.84 years ago, for an >average of 13.39 minutes between messages" >http://cia.vc/stats/project/libreoffice > >Their wiki says there are 277 active users (who made changes the >last 3 months), with a total of 32,311 edits: >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:Statistics > >The LibreOffice credits page has even more people listed (611 >committers, 1005 wiki contributors), but read the fine print >about double counting and also recognizing previous >OpenOffice.org contributors: >http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/credits/ > >I could not find statistics for their mailinglists: >http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ >But their main development mailinglist >http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/ is seeing >between 1200 and 1700 messages a month. gmane might be able to >give some statistics about the others: >http://gmane.org/find.php?list=documentfoundation > > There were some followup questions about statistics of contributors for > translations and documentation. Does anybody have more accurate numbers > on those (or as accurate as these things get, I understand that all > statistics are lies)? Or better estimates of the numbers I found above? > > Thanks, > > Mark > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?
On 07/20/2011 11:02 PM, e-letter wrote: > To conclude, it does not seem a good long-term idea to be constantly > seeking high (if not perfect) compatibility with the constantly moving > targets that are m$ formats. The priority for LO should be to ignore > self-inflicted problems such as "I saved a document is m$ format x and > something has disappeared" and focus upon "when using writer to create > a new odt file, a table alignment error occurs". You would be amazed to discover that 99,9% of LibreOffice users exchange documents with MS Office users on a daily basis, and are extremely concerned about interoperability issues. The capability of reading and writing MS Office documents is of paramount importance for LibreOffice adoption in the enterprise, and migrating from MS Office to LibreOffice is a move that many companies do in order to save a huge amount of money. I do not have specific figures, but I personally estimate that a percentage equal or higher than 50% of LibreOffice users default to writing MS Office files instead of ODT files (just an estimate, based on my personal experience). -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibO 3.4.2 RC1 under Windows
On 7/19/11 2:53 PM, plino wrote: > I understand that it is the version you are supposed to distribute. BUT it > still needs a CHECK because there are NEWER security fixes. Although I don't use Windows, I've seen a recent update of the C++ Redistributable Package under Windows 7 on a friend's PC. Online, I could just find this link, which I don't think is the right one, but mentions a Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=. Maybe, the new package is what gets installed on updated PCs, and might be included in LibreOffice (but I'm not a developer, and I don't know if there are differences between C++ 2008 and C++ 2010). -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard
On 6/24/11 5:11 PM, Marc Paré wrote: I think some of our TDF/SC members will be able to answer questions re: this as they are on the OASIS board. I thought Italo was that person. No, is Charles. I am not involved in OASIS. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
On 06/22/2011 10:36 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Comment worthy to consider: costs of certification must not be a barrier for the not so large companies. On the other hand: I do not see signs / wishes for that in the current draft. I'm replying now. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
On 6/22/11 1:40 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: Ah, I just edited it! Sorry if that makes things more difficult. Feel free to delete anything you don't like! No problem, I have printed a comparison of the two versions, but it looks like you just improved the contents quite a lot. I am keen about understanding more about EU funded projects, and it look like you are quite knowledgeable here. Unfortunately, I didn't have the time to study the topic, and I think I will spend some time during my holidays doing this. Do you have any specific readings to suggest? -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
On 6/22/11 9:38 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: I have added some comments on the Discussion page. If you think it is better, I'll be glad to bring the items on this list. I think both ways are OK. I am collecting all emails on the subject, and I will consolidate every bit on the wiki page during the week end, in order to have draft 0.0.x and eventually version 1.0. I will ping the list each time there is a new version of the draft. I am not very familiar with wikis, but I think it should be fairly easy to track all changes. It would be easier, though, to add comments in a "visible" way, to make it easier to spot them when I will be updating the text. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
The document is on the wiki. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDFCertification This might become a huge project, and a new business model for free software on the desktop. A challenge for the entire community, and one of the reasons for having an independent foundation and not a house for the code. Contents are not confidential, of course, as otherwise they would not be on the wiki, but it must be clear that this is going to become a real project after a long incubation. Everyone is warmly invited to comment and provide suggestions. Ciao, Italo -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
On 6/16/11 4:43 PM, Allen Pulsifer wrote: So my all means, continue forward with your decision that your personal story is what really matters. That is your prerogative. Meanwhile, the LibreOffice project will never be what it could have been. The opportunity that has been lost will never come back again. That is the tragedy. It looks like you have different views from ours, and ours are as legitimate as yours (unless you belong to the same family of Rob Weir, who assumes to be the only person with legitimate views about TDF and LibreOffice). Opportunities are symmetrical, while this opportunity looks asymmetrical (we have the opportunity of reuniting the community under the ASF umbrella, while ASF has not the opportunity of reuniting the community inside TDF mixing bowl). I understand that you are very happy with the ASF project. If you are happy we are happy for you. Users will decide on their own: they don't need your suggestions. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] First TDF Advisory Board members demonstrate wide corporate support for LibreOffice
On 6/16/11 2:05 AM, Robert Derman wrote: I noticed in the following list that there is no one from North America. I am just a bit concerned about this. Should I be? I am generally managing contacts with journalists based in the US, although this sometimes means that I have to work quite late at night. I easily cover up to 6PM EST (3PM PST), but sometimes even later. Yesterday I had a Skype conversation with a journalist based in San Francisco at 4PM PST (1AM CET). I personally don't see a real problem. US media are the most sophisticated (when we look at technology), and we don't have any media professional inside our US community. Of course, we can provide a media training (and this is something that we will organize at the conference in Paris, and we could organize the first time I will cross the ocean). For the time being, US journalists are starting to consider myself as their TDF media interface. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
On 6/16/11 7:52 AM, André Schnabel wrote: Am 15.06.2011 20:24, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: So let me rephrase this proposal. Given the membership fee, do you approve TDF joining the OASIS as soon as the foundation is set up? +1 André +1 Italo -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation phone +39.348.5653829 - VoIP +39.02.320621813 email it...@libreoffice.it - skype italovignoli gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
On 6/15/11 6:57 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: I would like to ask officially to the SC to approve this membership fee and process to the membership registration process. Sophie Gautier would be the primary contact person, while Thorsten (under Suse flagship) would lead the technical works, at least at the beginning. We're interested by letting more hackers join in, just ask for it :-) +1 -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Fwd: Google Alert - libreoffice
It looks like media are on our side. Ask LH: Am I Missing Out By Sticking With Open Source And Not Buying Microsoft ... on Lifehacker Australia <http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2011/06/ask-lh-am-i-missing-out-by-sticking-with-open-source-and-not-buying-microsoft-office/> The Fall Of OpenOffice And Rise Of LibreOffice on Muktware <http://www.muktware.com/hacksheet/1399> Bruce Byfield article on Linux Magazine linked by Muktware: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/The-Decline-and-Fall-of-OpenOffice.org -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [steering-discuss] Fwd: Thanks for the interview today
On 6/10/11 2:19 PM, Luiz Carlos wrote: That is why it exists in large corporations and institutions a department to assist journalists, also known as the Communications Department. Journalists are generalists, not obliged, therefore, to know everything. This is the work I have been doing for the last 30 years. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
On 6/10/11 8:25 AM, Simon Brouwer wrote: Yes there is an existing legal entity in the picture, but it is not TDF but FroDEV, and it is not a foundation but an association. This discussion would have a "foundation" if during the process someone had asked TDF to provide additional information on this topic, but as no one has ever replied to TDF proposal, it is rather evident that Oracle decision has just ignored TDF proposal ex ante. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
On 06/10/2011 12:06 AM, Robert Derman wrote: My Deutsch isn't the best, I am guessing that the literal translation of the above is Freedom Office Germany e.V. whatever the e. V. stands for. Anyway a non legaleze explanation of what is happening and what must happen for TDF to be a full official foundation would be appreciated. There are several description and updates of the process on TDF blog, and everything is in English. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
