Re: [tdf-discuss] Libreoffice Errors on Accessing Help

[Marc Paré]

Le 20-05-13 à 05 h 59, Peter Hillier-Brook a écrit :
> On 12/05/2020 19:30, RobertX wrote:
>> I am using Libreoffice 6.4.3.2, and the Linux Mint 19.3 operating system.
>>
>> Lately, when I open the help file for Libreoffice, any program in the
>> bundle, it tells me that I do not have permissions. Such error looks like
>> this:
>>
>> <http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/file/t496644/Screenshot_at_2020-05-12_14-18-22.png>
>>  
>>
>> Is this a bug that's inherent to Libreoffice 6.4.3.2? If so, please tell me
>> and I will file an error report.
> No, it's not. I have no problems here with 6.4.3.2 on Debian 10. However
> I did install from the original, not a distro-built version, so maybe
> there's a hint?
>
I also do not have any issues with the help file on my Mageia v.7.1
Linux distro, but I also installed the RPM version from the website,
LibreOffice v.6.4.3.2.

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[tdf-discuss] Impress Remote App

[Marc Paré]

Has anyone used Impress Remote App with the latest LibreOffice
v.6.3.0.4? It does not seem to work for me and I had hoped to use it for
a presentation yesterday, but it could not connect via Bluetooth.

My cellphone and laptop were able to connect via Bluetooth to each other.

Marc

Mageia Linux v.7.1; LibreOffice v.6.3.0.4 (Flatpak version)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LO contributors map

[Marc Paré]

Hi Robert and Charles,

Thanks for doing this Robert, it is a great tool!

Just a minor point,  I believe it may be better to put the input box for 
latitude first and then longitude second as I believe this is the format 
followed for geolocation. This will help in minimizing the amount of 
errors in setting up the pins when people input the locations.


It may also be good to divide the "infrastructure" category to 
"infrastructure" and add "website" or "website development" or something 
of the sort. For example, some of us are not part of the infrastructure 
team, however, we do input a bit on the website (in my case event 
banners) and help out if there is a particular need for help on some 
webpages.


I also agree with Charles on putting this on our infra. IMO, for the 
growth of marketing teams, it would be very telling as to where the 
TDF/LibreOffice should concentrate on building building stronger ties 
with regional marketing teams. It is more visual than just staring at a 
list and may make it easier to see where some marketing support is needed.


Would also be interesting to the general public to see if they had 
access to it on the LibreOffice site.


Cheers,

Marc

Le 2016-08-07 à 15:23, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

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Hello Robert,

Thanks for doing this! I think we should host this on our infra. In any
case, I'll forward this to other mailing list that may reach active
contributors.

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Le Sun, 7 Aug 2016 18:52:47 +0200,
Robert Großkopf  a écrit :


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Hi *,

during a LO-community-meeting in 2014 we planned to create a community
map to find people living nearby. We created something in that way,
but it seems it had fallen asleep. Now I have published the map I
created on my own homepage:
http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/map_3/

Some members of the German community have added themselves.

Try it out, give feedback. If interested in the sourcecode feel free
to contact me directly.

Regards

Robert



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[tdf-discuss] Re: security related information, CVE-2016-4324

[Marc Paré]

Hi,

Le 2016-06-28 10:59, Caolán McNamara a écrit :

Parsing the Rich Text Format character style index was insufficiently
checked for validity. Documents can be constructed which dereference an
iterator to the first entry of an empty STL container.

All users are recommended to upgrade to LibreOffice >= 5.1.4

Thanks to the researchers working with Cisco Talos Security
Intelligence and Research Group for discovering this flaw.

C.



I imagine then that the "Download" page on the website should point to 
at least v.5.1.4 rather than 5.0.6?


Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

[Marc Paré]

Le 2016-04-27 16:55, Simon Phipps a écrit :




I can't speak to a general recommendation, but this advice from Debian to
use Google's compatible free fonts seems good:

https://wiki.debian.org/SubstitutingCalibriAndCambriaFonts

In fact it makes me wonder if these could be the default equivalents for
the C-fonts in LibreOffice?

S.



Thanks for this information Simon.

Not sure if this is found anywhere on the LibreOffice sites/wiki, IMO, 
it would be useful information to many LibreOffice users.


Marc

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[tdf-discuss] Re: LO and WORD styles

[Marc Paré]

Le 01/03/14 08:25 PM, edo1 a écrit :

This question has been touched upon for previous versions of LO but I'd like
to double check for ver. 4.2.0.4 I'm using. I'm planning to do a book
layout, using styles, collaboratively with a distant colleague. The problem
is she knows little about styles, works in MS Word 2013, and usually saves
files in.docx format. (I'm urging .doc on her.) I myself am unfamiliar with
MS Word styles and don't know how compatible they are with LO styles. So,
will there be a problem of styles colliding, and what's the best way we can
avoid that? Thanks, edo1



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This seems like such a large undertaking to worry about such 
compatibility. I wonder if it would not be better to suggest to her to 
try to install LibreOffice and you could then just send her the start of 
your book with styles included and see if she could manage with 
LibreOffice? At least one of you would be familiar enough of styles to 
make it work without having to struggle to make the styles works with 
MSOffice.


I really doubt that she will be lost with LibreOffice menus, she will 
find the menu system at least familiar enough for her to work with the 
software. The learning curve for LibreOffice is really not that steep to 
start, then she can catch-up with your mentoring of use of styles.


Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] Re: New Locale - Steps?

[Marc Paré]

Le 14/05/13 12:48 PM, Joel Madero a écrit :


Everything is explained on the wiki, from here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language
and then also navigating to the l10n category, there is more information.
Of course, we'll welcome him on our l10n list.



Thanks Sophie! Will pass it on to him.

I was a bit surprised when I googled "LibreOffice Locale Mailing Lists" I
didn't get any useful hits :-/

Best,
Joel





Once these steps have been taken care of, she/he can drop a message off 
on the website list and we will help with getting a website organized.


Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Annoyance (Bug?) in Page Preview while Gallery is displayed (Writer 4.0.2)

[Marc Paré]

Le 06/05/13 07:25 AM, Pedro a écrit :

Hi foberle


foberle wrote

I'm using LibreOffice Writer Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID: 400m0(Build:2)) on
Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit.


I can confirm the same behaviour under Windows. I'm not sure if this is a
bug (it is indeed an annoyance).

The Discuss list is not the place to report bugs/ask for enhancements.

You should report this on the LibreOffice bug tracker
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=LibreOffice

Hope this helps.



However, the discuss list IS the place where you post these types of 
issues to see if it is a candidate for a bug. A potential bug item is 
best discussed here just to check, because sometimes a behaviour that 
may seem like a bug could be just a simple fix on the user's part.


There is no sense in submitting bugs when you have not discussed it with 
others on some mailing list or other group first. After it is confirmed 
as a bug item it can then be submitted and then confirmed by another 
person who also discussed it.


Our QA (Quality Assurance) people are super busy, and we should not be 
sending them issues that are not clearly bugs.


So, in this case, it does indeed look like a bug item (annoyance) that 
should be submitted.


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: About.com "Readers' Choice Awards 2013 for Office Software"

[Marc Paré]

Here is an update to the About.com "Choice Awards 2013 for Office Software"


FYI, the About.com "Readers' Choice Awards 2013 for Office Software" 
started on Feb. 19 and will end on March 19.


You may vote every 24hrs. Let's make our LibreOffice suite the office 
suite of choice and it would be nice if we won out on all categories 
where we appear!


To vote, you can log in with your Facebook or About.com accounts or you 
can enter your email address in a field on the page.


Here are the details:

=
=

The "Readers' Choice Awards 2013 for Office Software" categories webpage 
can be found here:


http://office.about.com/od/ReaderResponse/tp/About-Com-Readers-Choice-Awards-2013-For-Office-Software-Nominations.htm

=
=


As of today, March 9 2013, LibreOffice ranking in the various "Office 
Software Suites" categories is:


=
Favorite Office Suite for Android: LIBREOFFICE does not have an official 
implementation of an Android version.
Favorite Office Suite for Android: Google Docs/Apps 75% -- Quickoffice 
Pro HD 25%

=
Favorite Office Software Suite or App for iOS: LIBREOFFICE does not have 
an official implementation of an iOS version.
Favorite Office Software Suite or App for iOS: Google Apps 66% -- iWork 
22% -- Documents Free 11%

=
Favorite Office Software for Mac: LibreOffice 84% -- iWork 5% -- MSO 2% 
-- NeoOffice 7%

=
Favorite Office Software for Windows: LibreOffice 56% -- MSO 2% -- AOO 41%
=
Favorite Office Software for BlackBerry: LibreOffice 80% -- LibreOffice 
80%  *** NOTE THAT THERE IS NO VERSION OF LIBREOFFICE FOR BLACKBERRY YET 
WE ARE STILL LEADING!!! WEIRD!

=
Favorite Office Software for Business: LIBREOFFICE IS NOT ON THIS 
LIST!!! ITALO IS AWARE OF THIS.
Favorite Office Software for Business: MSO 2% -- Google Docs/Apps 41% -- 
AOO 55% ???  WordPerfect 1%  -- IMO strange as LibreOffice is most 
likely used in Business

=
Favorite Academic Software Suite: LIBREOFFICE IS NOT ON THIS LIST!!! 
ITALO IS AWARE OF THIS.
Favorite Academic Software Suite: MSO Home and Student 11% -- Google 
Apps for Education 88% -- IMO, strange as LibreOffice is most likely 
used in education extensively!!!

=
Favorite Site for Office Software Templates: LibreOffice templates 58% 
-- MSO templates 1% -- OpenOffice 40%

=
Favorite Cloud Office Suite: LIBREOFFICE, at present, does not have an 
official "Cloud" implementation, but is working on it.
Favorite Cloud Office Suite: Google docs 84% -- MSOffice 365  7% -- 
ThinkFree Office (Hancom)  7%

=
Favorite Office Software Company or Organization Based on Social 
Responsibility: TheDocumentFoundation 59% -- TheApacheFoundation 37% -- 
Microsoft 1% Google 1% -- Apple 1%

=

Congrats to all who are voting every 24hrs. If you are not voting yet, 
feel free to join in. It will make a difference to our brand and show 
that we are a very committed community.


Cheers,

Marc

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Bulletted list and space between the list items

[Marc Paré]

Le 06/03/13 05:18 PM, Italo Vignoli a écrit :

Il 06/03/2013 03:51, Marc Paré ha scritto:


I would like the list with less space between the lines ...


Once you have the list, you can configure the distance between the items
using the Format > Paragraph window, where you can set the space before
and after, and the line height.



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[tdf-discuss] Re: Bulletted list and space between the list items

[Marc Paré]

Hi Regina and Jean,

Le 06/03/13 03:05 AM, Regina Henschel a écrit :

Hi Marc,

Marc Paré schrieb:

I have a list of items and they are in bullet form. But, the amount of
space between the bulletted list items is too large. How would I go
about to make a list with less space between the lines.

For example:

* apple

* orange

* pear

I would like the list with less space between the lines ...

* apple
* orange
* pear

Yes, I have also looked in the LibreOffice help (F1) and could not find
how to do this.


You need to use a special paragraph style for the list items. There
exist some paragraph styles with suitable names. But they have not yet
the correct settings, so you need to modify them to give you the desired
spacing.

Kind regards
Regina




Thanks! I'll give it a try.

Marc

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[tdf-discuss] Bulletted list and space between the list items

[Marc Paré]

I have a list of items and they are in bullet form. But, the amount of 
space between the bulletted list items is too large. How would I go 
about to make a list with less space between the lines.


For example:

* apple

* orange

* pear

I would like the list with less space between the lines ...

* apple
* orange
* pear

Yes, I have also looked in the LibreOffice help (F1) and could not find 
how to do this.


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] About.com "Readers' Choice Awards 2013 for Office Software"

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FYI, the About.com "Readers' Choice Awards 2013 for Office Software" 
started on Feb. 19 and will end on March 19.


You may vote every 24hrs. Let's make our LibreOffice suite the office 
suite of choice and it would be nice if we won out on all categories 
where we appear!


To vote, you can log in with your Facebook or About.com accounts or you 
can enter your email address in a field on the page.


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=
=

The "Readers' Choice Awards 2013 for Office Software" categories webpage 
can be found here:


http://office.about.com/od/ReaderResponse/tp/About-Com-Readers-Choice-Awards-2013-For-Office-Software-Nominations.htm

=
=


As of today, March 3 2013, LibreOffice ranking in the various "Office 
Software Suites" categories is:


=
Favorite Office Suite for Android: LIBREOFFICE does not have an official 
implementation of an Android version.
Favorite Office Suite for Android: Google Docs/Apps 80% -- Quickoffice 
Pro HD 20%

=
Favorite Office Software Suite or App for iOS: LIBREOFFICE does not have 
an official implementation of an iOS version.
Favorite Office Software Suite or App for iOS: Google Apps 60% -- iWork 
20% -- Documents Free 20%

=
Favorite Office Software for Mac: LibreOffice 75% -- iWork and MSO both 12%
=
Favorite Office Software for Windows: LibreOffice 75% -- MSO 14% -- AOO 10%
=
Favorite Office Software for BlackBerry: LibreOffice 100%
=
Favorite Office Software for Business: LIBREOFFICE IS NOT ON THIS 
LIST!!! ITALO IS AWARE OF THIS.
Favorite Office Software for Business: MSO 33% -- Google Docs/Apps 33% 
-- AOO 33% ??? -- IMO strange as LibreOffice is most likely used in Business

=
Favorite Academic Software Suite: LIBREOFFICE IS NOT ON THIS LIST!!! 
ITALO IS AWARE OF THIS.
Favorite Academic Software Suite: MSO Home and Student 50% -- Google 
Apps for Education 50% -- IMO, strange as LibreOffice is most likely 
used in education extensively!!!

=
Favorite Site for Office Software Templates: LibreOffice templates 80% 
-- MSO templates 20%

=
Favorite Cloud Office Suite: LIBREOFFICE, at present, does not have an 
official "Cloud" implementation, but is working on it.

Favorite Cloud Office Suite: Google docs 100%
=
Favorite Office Software Company or Organization Based on Social 
Responsibility: TheDocumentFoundation 60% -- TheApacheFoundation 20% -- 
Microsoft 20%

=

Congrats to all who are voting every 24hrs. If you are not voting yet, 
feel free to join in. It will make a difference to our brand and show 
that we are a very committed community.


Cheers,

Marc

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Modulkarization of the office-components

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Le 2013-02-25 21:54, Marc Paré a écrit :

Le 2013-02-25 04:19, theUser BL a écrit :


Hi!

What do you think, make it sense to modularize LibreOffice like
RagTime Office?
http://www.ragtime.de/start.html?lang_id=en

In RagTime Office, the three programs like Writer, Calc and Draw are
one program.
There you have a "paper" and you can then integrated there a Writer-,
Calc- or Draw-object.
It is like integrating a chart or an object (formula, OLE-object, ...)
in Calc.
So, you have there on _one_ paper, Writer-, Calc- and Draw-objects
together.
And like every object, you can rotate them and so on.

What do you think, would it make sense for LO to have something like
that?
MS-Office don't have this feature. But possible it is for user for
example easier to
integrate in the Writer-document a Calc-object, then integrating a
Table in the Weriter-document.

Greatings
theuserbl



Ah! Someone pointed out that I misunderstood your discussion point. I 
re-read it and indeed I misunderstood it. Just ignore my previous 
comment about the recurring topic.


Sounds like a good idea to me. You could suggest this as a feature 
request on our bugzilla[1]. Maybe one of the devs will take it up if it 
sounds like fun to do.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Modulkarization of the office-components

[Marc Paré]

Le 2013-02-25 04:19, theUser BL a écrit :


Hi!

What do you think, make it sense to modularize LibreOffice like RagTime Office?
http://www.ragtime.de/start.html?lang_id=en

In RagTime Office, the three programs like Writer, Calc and Draw are one 
program.
There you have a "paper" and you can then integrated there a Writer-, Calc- or 
Draw-object.
It is like integrating a chart or an object (formula, OLE-object, ...) in Calc.
So, you have there on _one_ paper, Writer-, Calc- and Draw-objects together.
And like every object, you can rotate them and so on.

What do you think, would it make sense for LO to have something like that?
MS-Office don't have this feature. But possible it is for user for example 
easier to
integrate in the Writer-document a Calc-object, then integrating a Table in the 
Weriter-document.

Greatings
theuserbl





Thanks for the suggestion. This is a recurring topic that keeps coming 
back every 2-3 months. As it is now, the code for LibreOffice does not 
permit an easy way to split the modules off on their own.


You will be able to find long discussions on this if you just google the 
topic.



Cheers,

Marc

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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice and WebDAV

[Marc Paré]

Leif Lohahl does it again with a video this time on how to access files 
with LibreOffice on WebDAV servers such as ownCloud. Have a peek here:


http://lodahl.blogspot.nl/2013/02/libreoffice-and-webdav.html

Thanks Leif!

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[tdf-discuss] Re: CMIS pathway

[Marc Paré]

Thanks! This is what I was looking for.

Cheers,

Marc

Le 2013-02-23 07:06, Olivier Hallot a écrit :

Hi Marc
You need to use the LibreOffice open/save dialog box. Go to Tools - options
- libreoffice - general and check "use LibreOffice dialogs for open and
save" .
Cheers
Olivier
Em 23/02/2013 01:20, "Marc Paré"  escreveu:


Hi Klaibson,

Le 2013-02-22 18:36, Klaibson Ribeiro a écrit :


Hi.

Go the Youtube and write LibreOffice CMIS.

Good weekend.




Thanks, however, there is no explanation on how to get either nuxeo or
Alfresco in the "Places" section of the Open/Save/Save As window. How does
one get it there?

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[tdf-discuss] Re: CMIS pathway

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Hi Klaibson,

Le 2013-02-22 18:36, Klaibson Ribeiro a écrit :

Hi.

Go the Youtube and write LibreOffice CMIS.

Good weekend.




Thanks, however, there is no explanation on how to get either nuxeo or 
Alfresco in the "Places" section of the Open/Save/Save As window. How 
does one get it there?


Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] CMIS pathway

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How does one actually set a pathway to a CMIS server? I have looked at 
both the Nuxeo and the Alfresco videos but they do not go over how to 
set the pathway in LibreOffice's save window.


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[tdf-discuss] Re: creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system

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Le 2013-02-22 15:50, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi Tim

Le 2013-02-21 10:11, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :


The "persona" designs that that you link to are stored in the
"/gallery/persona/" folder.  How do you access them, or switch back to
them, without needing to go back to the Firefox site and re-link to them?


It doesn't look like we can re-link back to previous personas. I tried
using all the different URL settings but no go. I'll add a bug for this.



I see not options there for that.  Also, you do have a gallery option to
create a new "Theme", but you are not able to go to the hidden /gallery/
folder for persona files on your system already.

Actually, I do not know what LO means by "New Theme" in the Gallery
option.  Is it just a new set of images or is it something else.


In this case, you are working with the Tools->Gallery files. Themes
means the name of the file folders  that hold the same types of images.
For example a Theme could be cars, or, people, or, vivulas or ... well
you get the point. LibreOffice calls these types of file folders "Themes".

Cheers,

Marc




Oops! I forgot to put in the bug that I filed: Bugzilla – Bug 61311

Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] Re: creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system

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Hi Tim

Le 2013-02-21 10:11, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :


The "persona" designs that that you link to are stored in the
"/gallery/persona/" folder.  How do you access them, or switch back to
them, without needing to go back to the Firefox site and re-link to them?


It doesn't look like we can re-link back to previous personas. I tried 
using all the different URL settings but no go. I'll add a bug for this.




I see not options there for that.  Also, you do have a gallery option to
create a new "Theme", but you are not able to go to the hidden /gallery/
folder for persona files on your system already.

Actually, I do not know what LO means by "New Theme" in the Gallery
option.  Is it just a new set of images or is it something else.


In this case, you are working with the Tools->Gallery files. Themes 
means the name of the file folders  that hold the same types of images. 
For example a Theme could be cars, or, people, or, vivulas or ... well 
you get the point. LibreOffice calls these types of file folders "Themes".


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system

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Hi KJ

Le 2013-02-21 01:45, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit :

Hi Marc,
Am 21.02.2013 07:30, schrieb Marc Paré:


* ability of designer to select the menu font colour

https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=61206


Maybe a duplicate to
https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=60542

I marked it as duplicate. If it isn't turn it back.




Thanks! Yes it is. I didn't see it. BTW ... when a bug is marked as 
duplicate, do devs look at it too, it think the explanation on the 
duplicate may explain more the problem.


Or should I just copy the description to 60542?

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[tdf-discuss] Re: creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system

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Hi Tim,

Le 2013-02-18 20:09, Marc Paré a écrit :



Would you like me to submit some bugs for these? There are quite a few
and the devs are interested in making this work as it get a lot a
attention.

So these would all be individual bug submissions:

* ability to test (locally) your designs?


https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=61205


* ability of designer to select the menu font colour


https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=61206


* transparency issues where the icon does not show properly if the
background is NOT white


https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=61208



Marc



Done.

I didn't add a bug about the persona not making use of the footer option 
as I can't really see where the footer would fit on my LibreOffice4 
page. There just doesn't seem to be any space for it. Not unless my 
settings have removed a bar, but I seem to have the regular bar on the 
bottom.


Anyway, let me know if you think the use of the footer should/could be 
filed as a bug.


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[tdf-discuss] Re: creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system

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Le 2013-02-19 15:20, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :



Howmany users do you want "messing about" with the "program" folders and
not just the user profile ones? I does not matter to me who it is, that
is not something we should have our users do.

It would be better to have the themes and persona files placed inthe
user profile folder [ .config/libreOffice/4/ ] instead of the " /opt/. .
. " program folders needing root/admin passwords.


So, "do the command: dolphin. . .", you can through the terminal make
the file manager work as the "rootuser"? Did not know that.



I wasn't expecting our users doing this, just thought you were not aware 
...


As for placing the personas into the .config, totally agree.

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[tdf-discuss] Re: creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system

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Le 2013-02-19 12:06, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :


I just think that someone just forgot about the menu color issues that
may come up with some backgrounds.  Also, some of the toolbar icons have
their backgrounds set as transparent, instead of white, so they have a
hard time being seem on any non-white background color.  Well, that can
be fixed by just making sure these icons are saved without a
transparency or replace the transparent background with white.  That is
a hassle, but it can be done simply, as long as you have access to all
of the icon files.  Of course some extension add icons to your toolbar
menu[s], so their authors will need to make their icons with
non-transparent backgrounds.

But, hey, this is a new design element and it will take a few versions
to get it all worked out and bug free.


+1

Nice of you to give us samples to work with and to help with improving it.

Marc

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[tdf-discuss] Re: creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system

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Hi Tim

Le 2013-02-19 12:06, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :

Since the "/program/edition/header.jpg" info is not part of the
current documentation, maybe someone could write up the text on how to
use that option.  I know that you cannot create a new folder in the
"/program/" folder, since it is locked and needs a root password to
create it.  So you cannot do this with you file manager in Linux.  I
know it might be easier with a Windows users.


I know you should not do this often, but, if I have to edit anything or 
move files in/out or create file folders at root level, I do the following:


* open console (Konsole)
* do the command: su -
* type in root password
* do the command: dolphin or konqueror
* YOU ARE NOW IN ROOT AND DOING DOLPHIN IN ROOT !
* BE AWARE THAT YOU MAY BORK YOUR SETUP IF YOU ARE NOT CAREFUL 
* create and transfer the files that you wish

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[tdf-discuss] CMIS and SWORD implementation

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As I was looking more into the CMIS protocol and different solutions for 
data repository, I realized that the SWORD protocol is also in large use 
in academia.


I was wondering if there had been talk of also making LibreOffice 
compatible with the SWORD protocol?


You can find a good short discussion of the different more popular 
protocols on this short blog article.[1]


Cheers,

Marc

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[tdf-discuss] Re: creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system

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Le 2013-02-18 18:51, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :

On 02/18/2013 04:08 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2013-02-18 2:00 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
 wrote:

I just found out that LibreOffice does not use the font color that the
FF Persona designs call for. So if the menu color is white in Firefox,
LO will still use the black menu color. That really messes up people
who want a dark color background that works well with FF.


So you reported the bug? Bug#?

;)



No I have not. I am still dealing with a few things on my end that is
more time-sensitive than trying to figure out what is neededfor a bug
report.

If you want to know briefly. . .

Persona/Theme designs include font color specifications where the
designer selects the right menu font color for the background.

ALSO, it appears that some of the toobars have icons that have
transparencyissues, where the icon does not show "properly" if the
background is not WHITE. So that is another issue.

Then there is the fact the the persona/theme includes a footer image,
but it appears that LO either does not use thatfooter or does not do it
properly.

There may be more there as well, but I just installed LO 4.0 onthe
desktop I do the design work at and just got some various persona/themes
submitted/approved that have different background colors and text colors.

Try this theme design. . .
http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/494461
It works well if you have the white menu text that will show up in
Firefox. But the text is black with Ubuntu's 64-bit or Win7 64-bit
versions of LO4.0.0.3.

So I am still finding things that could be bugs or something. Maybe the
developers had not even thought about changing the menu text color.

Then there is the in-ability for testing the theme in LO like FF allows
you to do. That is either a good idea or bad one. You can choose either
way and be right.





Would you like me to submit some bugs for these? There are quite a few 
and the devs are interested in making this work as it get a lot a attention.


So these would all be individual bug submissions:

* ability to test (locally) your designs?
* ability of designer to select the menu font colour
* transparency issues where the cison does not show properly if the 
background is NOT white

* does not show footer images

Are there anymore?

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[tdf-discuss] Re: November 2012 profits & losses

[Marc Paré]

Hi Thorsten,

Just answering at the top and nothing below.

Thanks for the answers.

Yup, I do read these things on all of the projects where I help out :-)

Cheers,

Marc

Le 2013-02-18 13:29, Thorsten Behrens a écrit :

Marc Paré wrote:

I have a few questions about section 2900. I am not sure if some of
the items belong there.


Hi Marc,

thanks for actually reading those things - I answer a bit selectively:


What was 2900 Other costs charitable mission EUR 533.60 spent on?


Lawyer and banking fees, all under the TDF charitable mission.


Actually, now that I look at the 2900 heading, it may be better to
re-label it in another way. "Other costs related to TDF" otherwise
the label that is used now suggests that the costs below the 2900
section relates to costs that were incurred for charitable use --
which I don't think is what you mean.


I do - so for the past year, *all* TDF expenses were done as a
charity. To the best of my knowledge, no for-profit spendings. As
such, we have to group those expenses under the 2500-2999 range (see
below why).


IMO, all of these could fit in the 2700 category if you use the 2700
title as "Office Expenses", then follow through with the 2701, 2702,
2703 etc. numbering. I don't know the reason why any TDF expenses
should be singled out in 2900 when the whole Profit/Loss report
about the TDF. All of the 2900 costs seem related to 2700 Office
costs (which are understood to be "TDF Office Costs")


We in theory have some freedom in assigning and using accounts, as
long as we don't fall under the German Bilanzpflicht (a mandatory
annual balance report, testified by a chartered accountant). But I
think it pays to act as aligned to those rules as possible, to ease
transition, and also to be reasonably self-documenting for someone
knowledgeable of other German charity accounting practices.

As such, we base TDF Berlin accounting on the SKR49 accounting
template:

  http://www.datev.de/portal/ShowContent.do?pid=dpi&cid=75170

, which is standard for associations, foundations, and non-profit
corporations.

With that template, 2700-2799 are broadly assigned for membership
administration costs, and 2800-2804 for member recruitment and
benefits. Both don't seem to fit the case here. So I went for the
broader catch-all account 2900, though with said subaccounts for
recurring items (sub accounts, in contrast to sibling accounts, have
the nice feature to give summary balances in the parent 2900
account).

Along those lines (and if well-justified also beyond), I'll gladly
improve things. Of course, early in the year is the best opportunity
to meddle with account assignments etc etc. :)

Cheers,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] creation of a Persona Gallery Page on LO page system

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Hi Tim,

Le 2013-02-14 15:11, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :
>
>
> Since LO 4.0.x uses the Persona design specifications that were defined
> by Firefox's Persona extension/theme system, and currently users of LO
> 4.0.x goes to Firefox's gallery to choose Persona designs, I was
> wondering if LO should not have its own design gallery page?
>
> We have users creating LO themed Persona designs. They submit them to
> the FF gallery posting system. Why not have a gallery of Persona designs
> that were specifically designed as themes for LibreOffice? We have a
> Extension Center and a Template Center. These are for "displaying" the
> extensions and templates users have developed and submitted to LO to
> allow other users to have access to them. Why not have a place like that
> where users can submit Persona design themes that were created
> specifically for LibreOffice? Firefox Gallery was designed for Persona
> and theme designs that were created to their package. We use that
> Persona specification, but LibreOffice header menu is different from
> what is displayed for Firefox's header menu. What might look good for
> Firefox might not look good for LibreOffice, and vice-a-versa.
>
> So, would it be a good idea to have a design gallery of Persona designs
> specifically created to look well with LibreOffice's header/footer menu
> design?
>
> Could we make it like the submission process for adding a extension to
> its center? Of course there will have to be some overseer for that
> submission process.
>
> What I would do is develop the design and test it out on LO. Then take a
> screen shot of the design and what it looks like with with the menu
> options displayed with the design "in the background". Take that
> screen-shot for both the header and footer designs and make them one
> full window width image. Submit that image file [separate file] with the
> Persona design file[s] in an archive format of [say] .zip. There could
> be a "smaller" image submitted that would be displayed on the "gallery"
> showing what the design looks like with LibreOffice.
>
> It would be nice to have a gallery of designs specifically created for
> LibreOffice and not having to see if a Persona designed for Firefox
> works well with LibreOffice.
>
> What do you think?
> Yes? No?
>
>

Would this work on the extensions website? Maybe Andrea Mantke could add 
his comments?


Perhaps as part of the process, you could write up a "how-to create a 
persona "theme" specifically for LibreOffice" on our wiki pages? This 
would really help. You could write it up on the marketing wiki section 
and we could link to it on the marketing section. We could also 
temporarily host the new LibreOffice personas on the wiki temporarily 
until a solution for a repository could be found. I don't think we are 
talking about thousands of specific LibreOffice personas, but this could 
be a temporary fix?


IMO, most users would expect to see these on the extensions site and it 
would be a great draw (attraction) to get people into the extensions site.


As you and I have found, the LibreOffice personas are a little different 
than those of FF, in that LibreOffice allows more space on the right 
hand side of the persona. The menu bars are also much more busier than 
FF. So this is both a bonus for writing in the "LibreOffice" label on 
the right-hand side but a little harder to deal with the busy menus.


How does this sound to you?

Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: [board-discuss] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 2013 conference poll final result

[Marc Paré]

Le 2013-02-10 09:20, Thorsten Behrens a écrit :

Marc Paré wrote:

As this on the discuss list, here are my observations: Maybe next
time another geographic zone could be picked? It is a remarkable
experience for everyone when you have to organize an overseas trip
every year. The expense can be daunting and having a conference in
the same zone each year leaves others at a clear disadvantage for
face to face meetings as well as for international team building.


Yeah, I know - and I would love to have at least one community event
on another continent this year. Let's start thinking about our options
here.

Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] FOSDEM Photos?

[Marc Paré]

If you took any and can share, we could use some for marketing as well 
as dressing up our website and donations site. We could also blog about 
it. Let a note on the marketing list or send me the photos ... I'll 
upload them to the wiki site.


People like seeing photos, it give them (us) that fuzzy warm feeling and 
makes us (them) want to hug people! *sigh*


Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] Re: "Check for updates" still shows 3.6.5 in LibreOffice (3.6.1.2)

[Marc Paré]

Le 2013-02-08 04:15, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit :

Hi Thorsten,
Am 08.02.2013 09:42, schrieb Thorsten Behrens:

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

3.6.5 is the newest of that line.

As far as I know, that is the way it goes, so far.


Yep. We tend to suggest upgrades to the newest branch at around x.y.3
releases, depending on the amount of reported annoying bugs left.


Yes, but updating an elder version than 3.6.5 by online update will lead
the user to the webpage of 4.0.0, so that is contraproductive against
your argumentation.




Could someone report a bug in for this? The update feature is then NOT 
doing what it is supposed to do.


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[tdf-discuss] Re: http://www.LinuxQuestions.org 2012 Annual Poll

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Le 2013-02-02 04:58, Marc Paré a écrit :

Results are in: LibreOffice by a landslide of 85.14%! Pass the word!

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2012-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-104/office-suite-of-the-year-4175441849/

AND

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2012mca.php

\O/

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[tdf-discuss] Re: http://www.LinuxQuestions.org 2012 Annual Poll

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Oops! Sorry for the double post! ;-(

Le 2013-02-02 04:59, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi everyone,

FYI, there are just less than 72 hours left to join in on the yearly
LinuxQuestions.org poll 2012! One of the categories is "Office Suite of
the Year" of course. LibreOffice won this category last year. Let's make
it the winner again this year!

Go to http://www.LinuxQuestions.org, log in --> if you are not a member,
you can register BUT BE AWARE, THAT YOU MUST POST AT LEAST ONCE for your
vote to count. You can do this by just presenting yourself on one of the
forums and then go to this page:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2012-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-104/
and vote! That's it!

So, vote for LibreOffice, the office suite that has once again grown its
developer community, grown in popularity and grown its userbase in 2012
-- that's you!

It's an achievement that we need to celebrate! Let's vote and show our
appreciation, we have all participated at making this the best office
suite of choice!

Cheers,

Marc
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[tdf-discuss] http://www.LinuxQuestions.org 2012 Annual Poll

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Hi everyone,

FYI, there are just less than 72 hours left to join in on the yearly 
LinuxQuestions.org poll 2012! One of the categories is "Office Suite of 
the Year" of course. LibreOffice won this category last year. Let's make 
it the winner again this year!


Go to http://www.LinuxQuestions.org, log in --> if you are not a member, 
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vote to count. You can do this by just presenting yourself on one of the 
forums and then go to this page: 
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2012-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-104/ 
and vote! That's it!


So, vote for LibreOffice, the office suite that has once again grown its 
developer community, grown in popularity and grown its userbase in 2012 
-- that's you!


It's an achievement that we need to celebrate! Let's vote and show our 
appreciation, we have all participated at making this the best office 
suite of choice!


Cheers,

Marc
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[tdf-discuss] http://www.LinuxQuestions.org 2012 Annual Poll

[Marc Paré]

Hi everyone,

FYI, there are just less than 72 hours left to join in on the yearly 
LinuxQuestions.org poll 2012! One of the categories is "Office Suite of 
the Year" of course. LibreOffice won this category last year. Let's make 
it the winner again this year!


Go to http://www.LinuxQuestions.org, log in --> if you are not a member, 
you can register BUT BE AWARE, THAT YOU MUST POST AT LEAST ONCE for your 
vote to count. You can do this by just presenting yourself on one of the 
forums and then go to this page: 
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2012-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-104/ 
and vote! That's it!


So, vote for LibreOffice, the office suite that has once again grown its 
developer community, grown in popularity and grown its userbase in 2012 
-- that's you!


It's an achievement that we need to celebrate! Let's vote and show our 
appreciation, we have all participated at making this the best office 
suite of choice!


Cheers,

Marc
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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Donation Gift Card !!!

[Marc Paré]

LibreOffice Donation Gift Card !!!

Still have not found that perfect gift for that special person in your 
life? It is never too late to give. Make a donation to the LibreOffice 
Project in their name!


Download the following .svg file[1], and, tailor the sum to the amount 
you would like to donate with your favorite vector graphics editor (our 
suggestion: Inkscape[2]), OR, print them, just as they are, with the 
amount of $10 already inserted for you. Go to the LibreOffice donation 
website and complete the donation in their name[3].


We would like to thank you in advance for this wonderful act of kindness 
which is most appreciated.


LibreOffice Marketing Team




[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/a/a5/Donation_card.svg

NOTE: This work is licensed under the Attribution Share-Alike 3.0 
Unported License -- http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/. 
Visit the LibreOffice wiki pages for more details of the file: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Donation_card.svg


[2] http://inkscape.org/?lang=en

[3] http://donate.libreoffice.org/



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* modify the amount
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[tdf-discuss] Posting on the right mailing list(s)

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Hi everyone,

While I am one who likes to promote the exchange of information on such 
projects as LibreOffice; I would like to suggest perhaps a tweaking of 
the postings to the mailing lists. Here is what I would suggest:


* if you are posting to a list, that you consider where your post should 
be sent, and, try to minimize the amount of cross-posting to other 
lists. I was/am under the impression that the lists are contributor 
lists where their label describes their function. When a post is sent to 
multiple lists, please consider carefully the reason(s) why you post to 
these other lists; are these "work" items for the members of that group?


If you have cross-posted and find that only members of one list have 
responded to you, then, more than likely, your choice of sending off the 
post to multiple lists may not have been the best choice.


If cross-postings are kept to a minimum, then, we will all be better 
placed to contribute rather than spending more time re-examining a post 
that should not have been delivered there in the first place.


If you do cross-post to make people aware of an item of common interest, 
then OK. But if your post is of interest only to one contributor group, 
then, maybe it should only be posted to that group and not many others; 
this to help minimize the extra noise on the lists.


Just my thoughts on this.

Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Forums Planning update

[Marc Paré]

Finally, after going over all of the opinions (collected during the 
period of Sept. 27 - Nov. 15 2012), here are the results of the choice 
of the LibreOffice Forums categories (below). Unfortunately, in our 
assessment, there just did not seem to be enough support for starting 
out small (with breaking out more categories as the need becomes 
apparent), but, more support for categories as based on the LibreOffice 
modules. If we find there are "dead" categories after a trial period (as 
of yet undetermined ), later on, we can always collapse these "dead" 
categories into compatible categories. However, we do have a clear 
determined commitment on the part of the 5 co-coordinators (Jonathan 
Aquilina, Lucian Oprea, Joel Madero, Marc Paré, Jean Spiteri) to make 
the forums categories work.


The next step is to, contact those who have shown interest in becoming 
moderators on the forums, as well as invite others to join the 
moderation team. You will find a description of the moderator role on 
the wiki for information[1].


We are also working on the forums rules/etiquette, and will soon start 
populating the forums site with the categories and going through tests. 
There may still be some tweaking to be done with the forums code to make 
it work as well as possible. As yet, there is still no projected date 
for the opening, but it is coming.


Many thanks to all those who participated in the discussion. We really 
appreciated your help.




LibreOffice Forums Categories

General Forums
===
* Announcement News (NO NEED FOR MODERATORS -- READ ONLY)
* General Discussion
* LibO Goes Social (category name is only temporary)

Installation & Configuration of LibreOffice
===
* Installation on Win
* Installation on OSX
* Installation on Linux
* Installation on others

LibreOffice Applications
===
* LibO Writer
* LibO Calc
* LibO Impress
* LibO Draw
* LibO Base
* LibO Math

Extensions LibreOffice
===
* Extensions
* Templates
* Macros and UNO API (and any other)

===
===

Contributor categories
===

* No contributor categories until there is a formal request from a 
contributor list. Note that "Marketing" and "QA" were the only 
contributor lists where some of their members spoke clearly in favour of 
having their category on the forums.


Administrator Categories
===
* Forum for Admin (NO NEED FOR MODERATORS)
* Forum for Moderators (NO NEED FOR MODERATORS)  :-)
* Forum to Test (NO NEED FOR MODERATORS)



Cheers,

Marc

(For Jonathan Aquilina, Lucian Oprea, Joel Madero, Marc Paré, Jean Spiteri)

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Forum-planning

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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Cloud???

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Hi Charles,

Le 2012-10-13 08:18, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

Of course, but it takes time and money :-)

Rgds,
Charles.
Le 13 oct. 2012 02:53, "Marc Paré"  a écrit :



Ahh, thanks. If only money grew on trees ... Someone gave me a money 
tree as a gift, but it just grew leaves[1]! I'm still no richer but have 
this great plant! :-)


Cheers,

Marc

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachira_aquatica

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[tdf-discuss] Re: [board-discuss] Re: extending CfL deadline for LibOCon 2013

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Hi everyone,

Le 2012-10-12 16:04, Stefan Weigel a écrit :

Hi,

Am 12.10.2012 17:20, schrieb Florian Monfort:


What I think we should do : switch to a date in the year when we
know there will be nothing else.


Take the calendar and substract all days with an important event.
You will end up with a couple of days in the summer holiday season
and between Christmas and New Years Eve.

For me personally, end of december would be an ideal time for the
conference. However I fear, not many others would join.

Cheers,
Stefan




Our events calendar can be used for reference as well. It is up to date 
with events where the TDF/LibreOffice are represented.


Let me know if there are some events that should be included. But, even 
so the LibreOffice calendar of events could be a good reference tool 
where we could consult for possible dates[1].


You can scroll through the months of this year to get an approximate 
feel for what it will look like next year. I will start filling in the 
2013 conference dates as soon as possible.


Cheers,

Marc

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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Cloud???

[Marc Paré]

Thanks! Do you know if this is still being worked on by the devs?

Cheers,

Marc

Le 2012-10-12 03:19, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

Sure:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

Best,
Charles.

Le jeudi 11 octobre 2012 à 19:22 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi Charles,

I just found your interview article mentioning it being pre alpha, are
there any docs where I could mount and test it even if in alpha stage?

Cheers,

Marc

Le 2012-10-11 16:36, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

On the wiki, but it's pre alpha material.

Best,
Charles.
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I need the use of a LibreOffice Cloud ... I know that Drew had at one
point set up a server as proof of concept, but, do we now have details on
how to set one up? Is this even possible?

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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Cloud???

[Marc Paré]

Hi Charles,

I just found your interview article mentioning it being pre alpha, are 
there any docs where I could mount and test it even if in alpha stage?


Cheers,

Marc

Le 2012-10-11 16:36, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

On the wiki, but it's pre alpha material.

Best,
Charles.
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I need the use of a LibreOffice Cloud ... I know that Drew had at one
point set up a server as proof of concept, but, do we now have details on
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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Cloud???

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I need the use of a LibreOffice Cloud ... I know that Drew had at one 
point set up a server as proof of concept, but, do we now have details 
on how to set one up? Is this even possible?


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[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal

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Hi everyone,

Le 2012-10-08 12:11, Joel Madero a écrit :

On 10/08/2012 03:14 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

I am now wondering if this should be put forth to the board that way
we can
get a clear end all decision and move forward with the forums and getting
them going.


I think we are well beyond this and we should move forward as is, both
user and contributors forum. WORST CASE we have a contributor section
that isn't used, so be it, we deal with that IF AND ONLY IF that
happens. I don't understand why it's gotten so much attention so close
to "going live". Going to the board will only delay what needs to be
done, which is getting a forum together, up and running, as soon as
possible. We still have several more things to do before this can
happen, delaying this step only delays the entire project.

Also, let's keep in mind that the top contributors have not been so
vocally against the section, to me this is a big deal. If you look at
who is the heads of the UX group, the QA group, the developers,
etc...they haven't been nearly as vocal about this.

Again very worst case we have a dead contributor section, and to me,
this is a very small price to pay for moving forward as soon as possible

Regards,
Joel



The option to open a contributor forums for any section will always be 
open. It is not like this is a "once in a lifetime offer". If a section 
thinks they may like to have a forums later, they only need to ask, and 
it will be added.


So far though, IMO, not enough interest from any contributor sections, 
so no contributor forums will be added. Keep in mind though, we are 
asking people on "mailing lists" (who have already shown preference, in 
large part, for communication on mailing lists medium. If we are looking 
for newer contributors, then, those who would prefer forums will not be 
offered a chance to join in on the contribution. There are no advocates 
speaking in the name of the contributor-forums people.


IMO, it's really a catch-22 ... we are in need of new contributors, some 
sections are in fact, in dire need of contributors (we are not only 
talking of devs, but the other people who make up the various  parts of 
the project (designers, marketers, documentors, wiki-updaters, 
webmasters, website maintainers and the list is quite large!); the 
people who are already contributing are those who are mostly 
interested/specializing on communicating through the mailing lists, with 
very little interest in forums "talk" and its organization of 
information. If we ask these people which medium the prefer, well, the 
answer is pretty obvious -- this is why they are on the mailing lists. 
There are no advocates for the "potential contributors" who may prefer 
the forums medium.


If we consider this, and base our decision, less on an emotional 
response, but on the desire to attract new contributors, we should offer 
potential contributors a door into our contributor-world. Who knows, the 
OOo contributors who are now on the LibO contributor project have been 
so entrenched on the use of mailing lists for so long, perhaps you may 
find that a good portion of contributors will find the forums a better 
medium of conversation. Trying a forums option for a few months to gauge 
any response, again, IMO, would be a good measurement, and, could later 
be adapted as an entry-point to the contributor side of the project.


The fact remains, that we are looking for ways to firstly help our 
user-base, and, from there, to gain a larger contributor base. Trying 
out a contributor forums is not a very big spoiler for the project if it 
doesn't work out. Any of the information on any forums may be moved 
around or even migrated to the mailing lists even if we have to do it by 
hand. Let's face it, if there is too much information, then the 
contributor forums are working.


I am off to celebrate our day of Thanksgiving with family (celebrated in 
Canada on this day), and will be back later tonight (UTC-5).


Wishes of a nice to day to everyone.


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal

[Marc Paré]

Hi Charles,

Le 2012-10-07 10:26, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

Hello Marc,

Far from me is the idea of not letting this work out or even experiment.
But the discussion was started about users forums. Anything besides that
would require the interested teams to have been consulted before.  What I
fear at this stage is both confusion from new contributors (for instance
someone submitting a patch to a forum might never get picked up because
devs would not bother reading the forum) and exhaustion from the
moderators. Again what was discussed is forums for users. Let's see how
this plays out and open a discussion for a contributors forums later on.

Best,
Charles.
Le 7 oct. 2012 16:07, "Marc Paré"  a écrit :



No problem.

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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal

[Marc Paré]

Hi Sophie,

Le 2012-10-07 05:08, Sophie Gautier a écrit :

The projects mailing was about the transverse communication between the
different project and the native language communities. Unfortunately
nobody understood this purpose (may be not well communicated) and when
there is a need of information, translation, whatever exchange or
interaction, the l10n mailing list is/was used. There is a technical
difference between translation and localization, but there is a big lack
of communication between the different projects and the native language
communities, where marketing, QA, documentation, etc are done. It should
not be a discussion area but a working area.

Kind regards
Sophie


Thanks for clearing this up. There should be timely reminders on that 
particular list when the information does not coincide with its purpose. 
I find that it is turning out to be another level of mailing list 
discussion rather than a projects announcement.


This explanation help a lot.

Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Forums Proposal

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-10-06 17:20, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit :
> On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 04:26:18PM -0400, Marc Paré wrote:
>> No sure if we were talking about "empty hall", I am hoping to help
>> fill them. :-)
>
> Yes, just like a night club opening with fewer floors in the early 
evening, so

> that they are not that empty -- and open more floors later. ;)

Sorry, doesn't work for me. If the place is too full with noise, I can't 
hear myself think and I go elsewhere where people like me congregate ... 
in this case the AOO forums.


>
>> Not sure about this. We were given the mandate to concentrate on the
>> US market specifically. You may have noticed that there are already
>> few mails on the US mailing list (of which I am part), but I believe
>> that we are set to re-buid post-LibOCon. From what I can see, the
>> largest problem with the US is the lack of marcons for the group,
>> which has always been front-and-centre of all serious discussions. I
>> would favour keeping the US separate and closing the mailing list.
>
> How does keeping the US separate help kicking off a US marketing 
community?

> Better to hatch it in the marketing forum until it can fly on its own.

It has already been hatched and given its own life. It would drown in 
any other list. Otherwise, un-mandate and refocus on another sector. I 
would still favour a list on its own. We are trying to get a market of 
around 320 million users on-board and I think its worth being a little 
more focused in this one. We need a re-boot on this one.

>
>> not sure if I like that idea. I would rather see what most users
>> looking for help are looking for on arrival on our forums -- a
>> breakdown in forums where they can locate their application section
>> and leave a message. Sending our users in need of help to a
>> soup-bowl mix of messages will only confuse them and add more
>> stress. I would rather have the obvious breakdown on our forums
>> site. If there are alpha-beta problems with any of the modules, then
>> it would seem to me better for our users to see them already in
>> their own categories.
>
> 'Open beta' has nothing to do with our releases. Its just as long as 
we test

> and explore the forum. But yes, I think we should start with a general
> 'applications' forum and am uncertain if a Math forum would really be 
helpful,

> if it does not attach regulars.
>
>>>   - Templates are unlikely to support a forum on their own from the 
start.

>>
>> Yup, but on the other hand, it is a good collection point where we
>> can encourage ideas on templates and hope some devs will pick up on
>> it. Its a two-way street. If we hope to attract users to our
>> contributor forums/mailing lists, then we should also hope to
>> attract devs to our user forums. Let's give this one a shot. I am
>> interested in this one, particularly considering the lack of
>> template ideas on the lists. It will be a good collection point for
>> ideas.
>
> Do you think we will have some 3-5 regulars in a templates forum? If 
not, I
> would postpone separating those out until such a group condesates and 
asks for

> it.
>

Well, I would rather give it a try, we do have a template site that we 
should be supporting with a forums. This would give us a chance to get 
more traction right from the start.


>> I have no problems with this either. Although, I can see others
>> having problems with it. I was never too clear on what the
>> "projects" mailing list was all about as it seems we are all
>> advertising on it and discussions are happening more and more on it.
>> It may be better to have a "Discuss" forum with a sub-forum
>> "Projects" where only decided projects are announced. The discuss
>> list is very active and it is hard to pull projects from any of the
>> threads.
>
> Well, on the mailing lists, there is a benefit of separating the 
projects list
> for important 'semi-official' stuff like minutes of calls from the 
noise and
> volume of unrestrained brainstorming. However, a forum does not 
pollute an
> inbox as a mailing list does and an it is possible to move off topic 
threads

> out of it, before they create trouble.

Not really sure what you mean.

>
>> Not sure about this. I would prefer the marketing punch of a
>> LibOLounge (where some of the characters look like :-b) or any other
>> clever stuff that our user-base can come up in a competition. and,
>> we should have a disclaimer sticky on it as well as the rules for
>> off-topic conversations. We should not be afraid to stick our name
>> in on the "fun room" rather than have it only 

[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal

[Marc Paré]

 to be able to move irrelevant or
> offtopic posts from other forums there without offending the author 
too much

> (compared to deleting).

Not sure about this. I would prefer the marketing punch of a LibOLounge 
(where some of the characters look like :-b) or any other clever stuff 
that our user-base can come up in a competition. and, we should have a 
disclaimer sticky on it as well as the rules for off-topic 
conversations. We should not be afraid to stick our name in on the "fun 
room" rather than have it only associated with the serious part of the 
project. Life is too short.


>
> My two eurocents.
>
> Best,
>
> Bjoern

Thanks for your comments. I'll copy/paste your comments to the user 
forums (part of your message past your QA-Dev suggestion) to the discuss 
list where the discussion on the user portion is taking place and where 
the discuss team can also read your comments.


We decided to place a note on each mailing list that was mentioned on 
the forums proposal in the hopes of getting some feedback from the teams.


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Marc

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[tdf-discuss] Forums Proposal

[Marc Paré]

On the Forums Proposal page[1], there is an offer to add the 
"Discussion" list as a forum. We are hoping to hear from the discuss 
team if they would like to do one of the following:


* move the list to a forum (there would be a short transitional period 
where the mailing list/forums would exist together and then the mailing 
list would be closed.  OR


* not use the forums at all (at which point the forum would be deleted 
from the forums site).  OR


* test-try using both the forum and this mailing list for a period of 
time after which you would decide on which one to keep. A test-period of 
perhaps 6-9 months may be enough to accomplish this.


Feel free to respond on this thread or to any of the co-coordinators 
should you have any questions.



The LibreOffice Forums co-coordinators: Jonathan Aquilina, Lucian Oprea, 
Joel Madero, Marc Paré, Jean Spiteri


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-09-30 17:35, Thorsten Behrens a écrit :

Marc Paré wrote:

Here is my feedback after having read the document:


Thanks a lot Marc for your very detailed review. Since the board has
already approved the earlier version, would you be ok if we table
your suggestions for a little while? It's not unlikely we'll have to
update the rules of procedure in the near future.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten



Sure, I guess.

I am not saying that all of my suggestions are correct, but, the 
document is now up for public display for the world to view and to 
disseminate. Most of my suggestions are grammatical in nature, except 
for the one which deals with the term of "director" which may require a 
change in substance.


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-09-30 17:41, Thorsten Behrens a écrit :

Marc Paré wrote:

Is is just me or has this announcement not been passed on GMane? It
shows in the regular mailing list that I receive in my inbox, but
does not show at all on my GMane which is what I monitor.


Hi Marc,

it seems to be there now:

  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.steering-discuss/2721


BTW ... when it says "after a public discussion and community
feedback", I could not find this on the discussion list. Or have I
missed something? Where was this discussed and gotten community
feedback?


On the board-discuss list. Feedback welcome on that approach, but
that's where we tend to have focused discussions on board matters.

It is a good list to subscribe to anyway, e.g. board meeting minutes
get sent to that list as well.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten



Thanks. I am subscribed to that list, but was not aware that the 
membership was allowed to join in. I thought that that particular list 
was for board discussion only by board members only.


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors

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tion of the board to setup committees, tasked to 
prepare decisions for the board. Committees can only advise, the 
ultimate decision authority and responsibility lies with the board."


Suggest: "The ultimate "decision authority" and the ownership of the 
responsibility of delegated tasks remain with the board. Committees may 
be tasked as advisory groups but remain subordinate to board authority 
and of its decision making process."


Reason: Original sentence is choppy.

=

"The board will contract, or alternatively hire if more 
economical/practical, resources for professional, secure, and timely 
maintenance of TDF's central IT infrastructure. The board acknowledges 
that TDF's virtual presence and web pages are one of its most valuable 
assets, and thus are worthy of focused investment to complement the 
sysadmin community's great work."


Suggest: "The board may contract or hire professional resource help in 
order to assure a well secured and maintained central IT infrastructure. 
The board acknowledges that the virtual presence and web pages of TDF 
are one of its most valuable assets, and thus, are worthy of focused 
investment to complement the contribution of the sysadmin community."


Reason: Not sure if "will" was intentional, as it suggests that the 
board is in the process of hiring individuals rather than "may" which 
suggests options. Second half of paragraph -- avoid contractions as much 
as possible.


=

Capitalize title:

Validity and Entry Into Force

=

"should one or more items of these rules of procedure turn out to be 
invalid, in collision with the statutes, German law, or otherwise not 
applicable, all other items will remain in effect."


Suggest: "Should one or more items of these rules of procedure prove 
invalid, in contravention with the statutes, in contravention with 
German law, or otherwise not applicable, all other items will remain in 
effect."


Reason: "turn out to be" is a colloquialism that is best avoided. "in 
collision", I believe is meant to mean "in contravention" and ibid to 
"German law".


=

Thanks for reading over these suggestions.

Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors

[Marc Paré]

Is is just me or has this announcement not been passed on GMane? It 
shows in the regular mailing list that I receive in my inbox, but does 
not show at all on my GMane which is what I monitor. Is it because it 
carries an attachment?


It this is so, then it means that community members on GMane are not 
getting all of the announcement, and, in this case an important 
announcement for the membership.


BTW ... when it says "after a public discussion and community feedback", 
I could not find this on the discussion list. Or have I missed 
something? Where was this discussed and gotten community feedback?


Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-09-27 18:18, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :

Hi Marc, *,

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Marc Paré  wrote:

Le 2012-09-27 08:11, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Marc Paré   wrote:


Users who have problems with installs generally do not come to a forums/list
with the idea that the be directed to a tutorial, they are more interested
in advice with a real person. Tutorials are nice as extra resource, but the
primary reason for a user who has come to a forums for installation help is
to get help by an informed person, which is what we are offering.


Oh, you're oversimplifying things here, while of course the goal is
that people get help by informed person, just creating separate
categories will not magically assure this.


Agreed about the help, but separate categories will help direct the user 
to a more refined area of the site for her/his particular help.





* Catch-all/General (also the place to ask installation/configuration
problems if not covered by the tutorials) - might even consider to put
Base into this forum as well.

For installation related questions, people can be asked in a sticky to
prefix their topics with [win] [lin] [mac] (, [sol], [and] [ios],...)


We tried to do this on the contributor mailing lists and the results are
that even the contributors do not do this.


I'll scream the next time someone comes with a "but on mailinglist.." argument.
For heavens sake: We're setting up a forum because it is *NOT* a mailinglist.

On a mailinglist new posters don't see existing posts. While they
could visit the archives, they usually don't, and existing posts
cannot be modified. So when someone doesn't follow the rules, it
cannot be corrected.

This is all the opposite for forums. When people see the tag being
used, they'll use it. If it is forgotten once, a moderator will add
it.

Coming with the argument that it is more work for moderators is only
halfway true.
Moderators are initially expected to scan every message that is posted
for valid content/whether it matches the forum it was posted in or
needs to be moved. So the more in effort is in actually editing the
topic. But that IMHO is a rather small burden.



Give me a warning next time you feel like screaming ... I need to cover 
my ears! :-)


If you re-read my remark, I was not comparing the two systems as they 
are obviously different. However, human nature is not. People in general 
will not add tags to their posts and my comment was that even where a 
group of people are engaged in a project (such as LibreOffice), tags are 
not added. Asking people to tag their messages is IMO asking too much, 
we would have to go force users to go through a learning process which 
would most likely turn them off our forums.


HOWEVER, if there is a process whereby tags are offered to users at the 
point of posting a message on our forums, now that is different. Is this 
possible with jForums?




So, if the people engaged in the
project do not follow this rule, how could we justify asking users to do
follow this rule?


Again: It is the moderators' job that the forum rules are followed.
And contrary to mailinglists, those rules are enforceable. In a well
maintained forum you'll see many existing topics following that
schema. And if the person asking a new question is not mentally
retarded, he might get the idea just by viewing the existing topics,
without having read the sticky post/some rules on a separate page.



I've looked through a few of my forums and tags are not used, I also 
visited the Ubuntu forums where tags are part of the message posting 
process, but even there, some parts of site-forums do not make use of 
tags (they have handled almost 4 million messages).


Anyway, sure, I am all for tags if there is a way to add tag-choices at 
the message posting process, then we could help users with this learning 
experience. Not so much for it, if we find that we are spending a good 
bulk of our time moderating it.


But, getting back to categorization, this, I would prefer, as there is 
no need to moderate tagging of messages.



I find it easier to categorize the forums to make it easier on both the
users and moderators-helpers; thereby making prefixes unnecessary.


Empty forums / forums with only a handful posts are a nuisance.
But hey, that's exactly the reason I didn't want to be coordinator,
but leave the decision to someone else :-)


[...]
Whether a forums has fewer questions are not, IMO, is not a good reason to
combine them.


I personally disagree on this. Within the OOo-Project there were many
such dead mailinglists, and that just lead to people posting to more
general lists just to reach more people, either leaving out the
dedicated mailinglist completely, or only including it in cc.
And yes, now I did myself come up with "but on mailinglists" argument :-)




Thanks for not forcing me to point out the

[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal

[Marc Paré]

Hi Christian,

Thanks for your comments, (see my in-line comments)

Le 2012-09-27 08:11, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :

Hi *,

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Marc Paré  wrote:

Please note that
the categories and forums shown on the page[2], at this point, are only
suggestions and may be modified (some may be removed or added) after we have
discussed this as a group.


OK, my 0,02€ :-)

Where's the difference between "General Discussion"&  "Lounge" (or
whatever name will be chosen) - it is not clear to me.
###


Hmm, I guess there could have been a better description for this 
particular forum. It's a place where people hold discussions on topics 
that are not necessarily and most probably not related to 
TDF/LibreOffice. This will also allow moderators the option of pointing 
users who wish to hold off-topic discussions to this area of our forums. 
It's also a way to help with community building, where we can make users 
feel like they can come back and socialize at a more familiar level and 
hold friendly conversations that are not related to LibreOffice --a 
lounge to "kick off your shoes, relax and talk to the community".


The "General Discussion" forums should have topics related to 
LibreOffice. Some examples would be LibreOffice in the media 
(newspaper/magazine articles mentioning LibreOffice, or seen on video); 
general thoughts on how to improve the suite as a whole; or ideas on 
marketing etc.



I don't think there is a need for an installation&  configuration
category, let alone individual forums for each OS.

Installation is best covered using "Tutorials"/The existing
installation documentation.
so I'd remove the Installation category&  forums and instead cover it
in Tutorials and in a catchall/general questions section in
libreoffice apps category. After all installing is not black magic...
###


I don't think that installation is as easy as you think for a new user 
or someone who has found themselves in a mess after 
installing/upgrading. The first thing a user would do on a forums is to 
look for a specific category. If these are separated right from the very 
start, we will be able to help users more efficiently, and as a plus, 
user-helpers (those who are interested in helping out with 
trouble-shooting with us) will be able to visit their own particular OS 
installation forums section without having to wade through the others. 
The benefits work both ways for users and helpers.


Users who have problems with installs generally do not come to a 
forums/list with the idea that the be directed to a tutorial, they are 
more interested in advice with a real person. Tutorials are nice as 
extra resource, but the primary reason for a user who has come to a 
forums for installation help is to get help by an informed person, which 
is what we are offering.



In LibreOffice Applications, I wouldn't split them out as much, but
rather shrink them to:
* Writer&  Math
* Calc
* Impress&  Draw
* Base
* Catch-all/General (also the place to ask installation/configuration
problems if not covered by the tutorials) - might even consider to put
Base into this forum as well.

For installation related questions, people can be asked in a sticky to
prefix their topics with [win] [lin] [mac] (, [sol], [and] [ios],...)


We tried to do this on the contributor mailing lists and the results are 
that even the contributors do not do this. So, if the people engaged in 
the project do not follow this rule, how could we justify asking users 
to do follow this rule?


I find it easier to categorize the forums to make it easier on both the 
users and moderators-helpers; thereby making prefixes unnecessary.



###
The SiteFeedback&  Website contributor forums seem to overlap


Yes, and this is on purpose.

Site feedback is for feedback of the forums site from the users -- 
whether they like the layout; whether they like certain forums; whether 
they like to visual aspects of the site ...


"Contributor" Website: The contributor forums mirror those of the 
mailing lists and these are to give the option to those mailing lists 
who would prefer to use the forums instead of mailing lists. We are 
hoping to hear from the various mailing-list-leads as to whether they 
would like to:


* move to a forums OR

* not use the forums at all (at which point the forums would be deleted 
from the forums site OR


* test try using both forums and their own mailing lists for a period of 
time after which they would decide on which one to keep.


So, for example, the "contributor" website forum would have the same 
exchange of discussions that are now happening on the website mailing list.


The contributor section of the website is where serious contributor work 
get done for the project -- a clear distinction from the user section 
which is there to help users in need.



###
And I assume

[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal

[Marc Paré]

The LibreOffice Forums co-cordinators[1] have been hard at work behind 
the scenes readying a forums solution for the LibreOffice project. We 
have gotten to the point where we need to decide on the 
categories/forums, and, have drawn up a proposal for you to examine and 
to discuss. Please note that the categories and forums shown on the 
page[2], at this point, are only suggestions and may be modified (some 
may be removed or added) after we have discussed this as a group.


As LibreOffice Forums is a communications tool that affects all areas of 
the project, we would like to have the main discussion and decisions of 
the categories/forums done on the discussion list. If this proposal 
includes a list where you actively participate, please have a discussion 
there and report back to the discussion list of the outcome of your 
discussions. You may find more details on the Forum Planning wiki page[1].


The plan for the LibreOffice Forums is that the global EN forums will 
make its appearance first (date is still undetermined), and, the native 
language forums will follow soon after. We will be making arrangements 
for moderators following the agreement on the proposal.


The LibreOffice Forums co-cordinators: Jonathan Aquilina, Lucian Oprea, 
Joel Madero, Marc Paré, Jean Spiteri


[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Forum-planning#Coordinator.28s.29
[2] 
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[tdf-discuss] Re: TDF Statutes -- check over the EN version

[Marc Paré]

Hi everyone,

Le 2012-09-12 21:27, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi everyone,

I was just re-reading the TDF Statutes web page[1] and would like to
suggest that a small group of us review the EN version (translation)
from the point of view of syntax, form and readability.

I have already made a few spelling corrections on the page, but I find
that it is in need of a review as it does not read well at all. I am
taking into account that this is a translation from the legal DE version
and that it is written in "legalese".

I believe the EN document needs close attention as most visitors to the
site who are serious in documenting our "Charter and Statutes" are
offered this document which I find could be improved while still
maintaining the integrity of the original DE text.

If we could have 4-5 of us, at least on DE member who is familiar (or
who want to be familiar with the DE document). We could put the text on
a wiki page (temporarily) and work with the corrections/improvements
from there. This should not take long.

I would also ask if Jean Hollis-Weber could help out with this if she
has time. The text needs some TLC from the point of view of punctuation,
syntax, form and all that is of EN grammatical rules.

This document is especially important to the project. We need to get
this page right. It defines who we are and how we do it.

Cheers,

Marc

[1] http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/statutes/



Great, so it looks like we have a team.

Marc Paré
Henri Day
David Nelson
Thorsten Behrens

For any other onlookers, the working copy will be on the wiki[1] and the 
rationale for any editing of text will be on the "Discuss" page (the tab 
is at the top of the wiki page). Please do not modify the wiki page 
unless you inform any of us (team members) working on the page review.


Cheers,

Marc
[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Statutes


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[tdf-discuss] Re: TDF Statutes -- check over the EN version

[Marc Paré]

Hi Florian,

Le 2012-09-16 05:39, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Hi,

Marc Paré wrote on 2012-09-16 08:19:

The TDF/LibreOffice global websites use International language as its
international language base. The documents will not be a legal document,
but a translation of a legal document. The TDF is registered in Germany
and the legal documents are in DE.


the documents in their current form have been translated by a lawyer
together with a native speaker. So, from my POV, we should definitely be
very careful in changing words, and involving someone understanding the
German legal system can't harm (I can't volunteer, I desperately lack
time).

Otherwise, I fear, we change the document according to "sounds good",
but screw up the meaning :-)

Florian



Yes, the exercise is not to make the document "sound good", but to fix 
grammatical/spelling errors in EN, establish a proper form (i.e. title 
form should be uniform throughout the text) as well as make the document 
sensible. This, all keeping true to the DE document which supersedes it 
legally.


"The membership in the board of directors ends after term of office and 
the appointment of a successor, by death or by resignation, which is 
permissible at any time." -- this to me, in EN, is nonsensical. the 
sentence needs to be reformulated to correctly represent the DE version. 
There are more instances of incorrect use of punctuation that suggest 
the wrong intent of sentences. There should also be no spellingz errers.


If the small team looking at the document is still not satisfactory, we 
should wait till we have a member(s) who is/are familiar with the German 
legal system to help.


A reminder to us that the TDF/LibreOffice make use of international 
English on its site(s).


Cheers,

Marc

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[tdf-discuss] Re: TDF Statutes -- check over the EN version

[Marc Paré]

Hi Anthony,

Le 2012-09-16 00:48, Anthony Easthope a écrit :

Quick Question - Surely the legal language varies across some countries?
I know for instance some legal terms in New Zealand are unique to here ,
Although they are specifically related to areas of law that are beyond
my study. Don't ask me to provide some examples -- Was the result of a
question put forward to me by a friend on Friday



The TDF/LibreOffice global websites use International language as its 
international language base. The documents will not be a legal document, 
but a translation of a legal document. The TDF is registered in Germany 
and the legal documents are in DE.


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: TDF Statutes -- check over the EN version

[Marc Paré]

Hi Henri and David,


Le 2012-09-12 21:27, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi everyone,

I was just re-reading the TDF Statutes web page[1] and would like to
suggest that a small group of us review the EN version (translation)
from the point of view of syntax, form and readability.

I have already made a few spelling corrections on the page, but I find
that it is in need of a review as it does not read well at all. I am
taking into account that this is a translation from the legal DE version
and that it is written in "legalese".

I believe the EN document needs close attention as most visitors to the
site who are serious in documenting our "Charter and Statutes" are
offered this document which I find could be improved while still
maintaining the integrity of the original DE text.

If we could have 4-5 of us, at least on DE member who is familiar (or
who want to be familiar with the DE document). We could put the text on
a wiki page (temporarily) and work with the corrections/improvements
from there. This should not take long.

I would also ask if Jean Hollis-Weber could help out with this if she
has time. The text needs some TLC from the point of view of punctuation,
syntax, form and all that is of EN grammatical rules.

This document is especially important to the project. We need to get
this page right. It defines who we are and how we do it.

Cheers,

Marc

[1] http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/statutes/



Thanks for the offers. I am not sure how busy you are, but I propose we 
put a copy on the wiki and work on the rewording/corrections there -- we 
can use the "Discuss" section for our notes/questions. We may need notes 
if we are going to suggest the modification to the BoD. Every section 
needs to be referenced back to the DE version.


How does that sound?

Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] TDF Statutes -- check over the EN version

[Marc Paré]

Hi everyone,

I was just re-reading the TDF Statutes web page[1] and would like to 
suggest that a small group of us review the EN version (translation) 
from the point of view of syntax, form and readability.


I have already made a few spelling corrections on the page, but I find 
that it is in need of a review as it does not read well at all. I am 
taking into account that this is a translation from the legal DE version 
and that it is written in "legalese".


I believe the EN document needs close attention as most visitors to the 
site who are serious in documenting our "Charter and Statutes" are 
offered this document which I find could be improved while still 
maintaining the integrity of the original DE text.


If we could have 4-5 of us, at least on DE member who is familiar (or 
who want to be familiar with the DE document). We could put the text on 
a wiki page (temporarily) and work with the corrections/improvements 
from there. This should not take long.


I would also ask if Jean Hollis-Weber could help out with this if she 
has time. The text needs some TLC from the point of view of punctuation, 
syntax, form and all that is of EN grammatical rules.


This document is especially important to the project. We need to get 
this page right. It defines who we are and how we do it.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/statutes/

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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibOCon 2013 Call for Locations

[Marc Paré]

Hi Florian et al:

Le 2012-08-11 05:31, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Hello,

while we are still in preparations for 2012, back earlier this year, we
announced [1] that end of August we would start the Call for Locations
for the upcoming year.

I would re-use the text from
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/CallforLocation, since that
seems to fit. My proposal is that the CfL ends end of the year, December
31st, with announcing the final location sometime in February, which
should leave plenty of time for preparations.

Any objections that I start so?

Florian


[1]
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/01/08/libreoffice-conference-2012-and-2013-call-for-locations/




I have added this to our LibreOffice Events Calendar (October 15 2012) 
along with the wiki page link.[1]


Cheers,

Marc

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Libre Office & Zotero Integration [Proposition of a New Partner?]

[Marc Paré]

Hi Fabian et al

Le 2012-08-14 08:23, Fabian Rodriguez a écrit :

The above may be best discussed/addressed quickly on the marketing
mailing list (this will surely catch Marc Paré's attention, an
extraordinary contributor there).



I suggested we talk about it here as most of the people who use these 
extensions are on this list (in particular yourself with respect to Zotero).


... ahem ... and thanks for the compliment.

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Libre Office & Zotero Integration [Proposition of a New Partner?]

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-08-14 08:39, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :


Well, there is a Zotero extension somewhere (used to work with the
OpenOffice.org 3.x branch). Aside that, I'm not sure what is required:
joint promotion efforts?

best,
Charles.



IHO, I think it would be best to leave it as an extension. Although I do 
think that it would be neat if we could have some "in-house" maintained 
extensions. We could collaborate with Zotero to make sure that the 
extension works and that bugz put through on that extension would go to 
both LibreOffice and Zotero devs. This would still leave the Zotero 
development in the hands of the Zotero group, but would make sure the 
extension work for LibreOffice and opensourced.


Otherwise, sure, if some devs were interested in creating a 
"Zotero-like" tool for LibreOffice, that would be ideal. We could then 
properly advertise LibreOffice in whole as the ideal academic tool and 
hopefully get more academically-inclined people to join QA for testing 
and bug submission.


But for now, I think the general consensus is that, as far as Zotero, we 
market LibreOffice to the academic field by informing them of the Zotero 
tool (LibreOffice + Zotero), which make for a very powerful academic 
office suite.


I am not sure if an arrangement with a firm using proprietary code would 
be in LibreOffice's favour nor in keeping with the projects mission.


For now the Zotero downloads page says:

"Word Processor Plugins for Zotero Standalone

Word processor plugins for Word and LibreOffice/OpenOffice are bundled 
with standalone Zotero. More information is available in the Cite pane 
of the Zotero preferences."[1]


Cheers,

Marc

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[Marc Paré]

Hi Florian

Le 2012-08-12 12:26, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Hello,

this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed
(so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled).

So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other
words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were
automatically sent directly to the list.


BTW and FYI ... users on Gmane, the option to "reply" is sent to the 
list. I'm on Thunderbird v.10.0.06 ESR


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[Marc Paré]

Hi Johnny,

Le 2012-08-13 15:47, Johnny Rosenberg a écrit :


I use Gmail too and it seems like you don't have to cut and paste
anything. Seems to be OK to leave the address in ”CC: and to leave
””To:” empty. That's what I'm doing right now, hope it works…

So I click ”Reply to all” (which requires a click more than just
replying), then I delete everything in ”To:”, write my message and hit
”Send”. Not very quick, though. I want the old behaviour back. There
is no way to idiot proof anyway.


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ



Does it not says "Reply to group" on the bottom of the message in GMail?

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[tdf-discuss] An ODT viewer for KDE on linux boxes

[Marc Paré]

Here is something interesting. There's an article describing an ODT 
reader (that's all it does) called KLook that can be integrated into the 
KDE Dolphin file manager. You can read the full article here:


http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/06/28/klook-gets-pdfodt-support-while-stackfolder-gets-drag-n-drop/

Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Moving comments in LibreOffice Writer documents

[Marc Paré]

Hi Jussi

Le 2012-06-07 15:04, Jussi Silvonen a écrit :

Hi Kurt!


2012/6/7 Kurt Lhotzky


Thanks, JusSi,

I installed the extension, but I couldn't see any change. In fact, maybe
my wish to easily move comments in a writer document is really a very



This is strange. If you restart LibO after the installation you should see
a small triangle in the place where the note is located. And if you select
View / Comments you should see the note in the margins with a line showing
its place in the text.

I like this extension very much. In my opinion, it should be part of the
standard installation.

BR

JusSi



If you like it and think it should be installed at the start (or perhaps 
even integrated), feel free to open a bug and ask for it as a feature 
request. Who knows, it may be added to the standard install for the next 
version.


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes

[Marc Paré]

Hi Pieter,

Le 2012-05-22 10:44, Pieter E. Zanstra a écrit :

Please stay on topic, and discuss AskLibO blitzes issues!



Thanks for reminding us. We have gone quite astray from the topic and we 
should start a new thread if there is anything else to say.


Cheers,

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[tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes

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Hi Pedro,

Le 2012-05-22 05:28, Pedro a écrit :

Hi Marc
Marc Paré wrote


OpenID is a foundation and yes, it does provide traffic statistics to
its members. In our case TDF/LibreOffice could become a member that
dispenses OpenID login/passwords


The fact that it is a "Foundation" does not make it trustworthy per se ;)
Even so since the traffic generated by a TDF/LO OpenID is collected by the
foundation's servers, the data is available to all, right?


I think this is the way it works. Although, the foundation TDF does 
represent all of us, collectively. Who then can you really trust any 
better than yourself?




Marc Paré wrote


*OpenID is sponsored by many members, does collect demographic
information and shares it with groups who carry the OpenID on their
site[2 section: "Access rich user profiel data]. If TDF/LibreOffice were
to become a member member as well as maintain its own OpenID, the
LibreOffice could decide what kind of data is collected.


That is exactly the point :) Why should other companies which I don't have
any relation with know WHERE and WHEN I logged in?


The majority of websites use analytical aids to monitor traffic on their 
sites. Yes, unfortunately, BIG BROTHER is everywhere.




Marc Paré wrote


It all depends on who you trust as well as the popularity of system. If
the TDF/LibreOffice becomes and OpenID provider, then, OpenID user would
then put their trust in the TDF/LibreOffice. With BrowserID, we put our
trust into the Mozilla Group.



That would be better than putting my trust in Google (a company that
"accidentally" collects unencrypted wifi data...) but still the login data
is shared with the other consortium members...

I guess that if I stopped trusting Mozilla I would have to switch browser.
ALL of my online information is typed on a browser programmed by Mozilla.
Compared to that, only a small portion of the information is in the hands of
Google (and that is why I deliberately don't use Chrome)


Hmmm, Mozilla makes the bulk of its operating funds from the "Google 
Search" window. So when you search from this window, I imagine that 
Google is also (with the help of the Mozilla Group) listening in on the 
search patterns of FF users.




Regardless of who is involved, it appears to me that the BrowserID model
preserves more your online privacy than the OpenID model...



Regardless of the method, there will always be a primary organism that 
will collect the login/password data. In our case, the data we collect 
would go towards making the site more accessible and more of a fruitful 
event for our users. I don't believe at this point either system is 
better or worse.


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes

[Marc Paré]

Hi Pedro

Le 2012-05-21 18:16, Pedro a écrit :


Marc Paré wrote


Perhaps the convenience of using OpenID is what makes it better for
general use. I don't know if implementing BrowserID along with OpenID is
possible (most things are possible). We have also talked about perhaps
hosting our own OpenID, then people would be able to register with
TDF/LibreOffice and log in with this ID. But this is still an ongoing
discussion.



OpenID is convenient but many Open Source users don't want to open an
account with the "big sharks" to be able to have an universal login.
Having to register with TDF/LibreOffice (again!) completely defeats the
concept of a universal login.

BrowserID seems to be the only company independent universal login. You just
need to have an email account. Any email account will do.

Regards,
Pedro

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OpenID is a foundation and yes, it does provide traffic statistics to 
its members. In our case TDF/LibreOffice could become a member that 
dispenses OpenID login/passwords, This would be beneficial from a 
marketing point of view. Sponsoring members can be found on this 
page[1]. OpenID is quite "up-front" with the use of its services which 
are found here[2].


BrowserID is backed by Mozilla. While BroswerID says that it is a 
"decentralized" system of authentication, there is, however, a 
centralized authority that collects all of the login/passwords -- the 
Mozilla Group. You may find some of the details and commments on this 
page[3].


So, in essence, if we are looking for a decentralized form of logging 
into any of our sites, well, there is none:


* BrowserID leaves the Mozilla group as the gatekeepers of our 
login/password data, however, they say that this is done without 
collection of data. This is the tenet by which we are to believe and trust.


*OpenID is sponsored by many members, does collect demographic 
information and shares it with groups who carry the OpenID on their 
site[2 section: "Access rich user profiel data]. If TDF/LibreOffice were 
to become a member member as well as maintain its own OpenID, the 
LibreOffice could decide what kind of data is collected.


It all depends on who you trust as well as the popularity of system. If 
the TDF/LibreOffice becomes and OpenID provider, then, OpenID user would 
then put their trust in the TDF/LibreOffice. With BrowserID, we put our 
trust into the Mozilla Group.


Cheers,

Marc


[1] http://openid.net/foundation/sponsoring-members/
[2] http://openid.net/add-openid/
[3] http://lloyd.io/how-browserid-works


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[tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-05-21 13:15, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :

Hi Rainer, *,

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Rainer Bielefeld
  wrote:

Pedro schrieb:


The main problem with AskLibO is that there are few people answering
questions on a regular basis.


The job there is frustrating. Many of the questions are lousy, but that also
might be a Help problem.


Answering that there isn't enough info is of course also a valid
answer. And feel free to just close those when there is no further
info after a couple of day.


And a "Thank you" is the exception.


Well - that I don't consider a problem - unless you also consider
votes as a "Thank you".

The "thank you" on ask.libreoffice.org is the upvoting of your
answer/flagging it as correct.
And giving votes is not limited to the person who asked that specific
question, but everyone who reads an entry should use their votes
accordingly.


The tool really has great potential, but some more administration will be
required to get best benefit for users with questions with acceptable costs.


I don't think it is an administration problem, but rather a problem of
educating people about it..

ciao
Christian


+1

I would also add that we are stretching our resource people quite far 
with all of the implementation going on with the project. We need more 
hands for the amount of work done. Encouraging membership will help us 
out a lot more.


Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes

[Marc Paré]

Hi Terry,

Le 2012-05-21 10:35, Terrence Enger a écrit :

On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 06:52 -0700, Pedro wrote:

Terrence Enger wrote


I was excited when AskLibo started, only to find that OpenId is required
for using it.  And the OpenId providers advertised all have impressive
terms of use, "impressive" as in "long and daunting".



What if BrowserID was added (or replaced OpenID)?


The first couple of pages about BrowserID that I found do not suggest
that I would have to understand any legalese.  That sounds good.

Is this easy to implement?  I have not heard that anybody else is
worried by OpenID, and I cannot realistically expect that my
contributions will be worth awfully much.

Thanks,
Terry.


Perhaps the convenience of using OpenID is what makes it better for 
general use. I don't know if implementing BrowserID along with OpenID is 
possible (most things are possible). We have also talked about perhaps 
hosting our own OpenID, then people would be able to register with 
TDF/LibreOffice and log in with this ID. But this is still an ongoing 
discussion.


As for your statement re: your contributions not being worth awfully 
much, if people are responding to your posts then you are being listened 
to. Other LibreOffice members are not on the lists every day and will 
eventually read your posts. But yes, posts are read and picked up for a 
response where people can add to the discussion.


Your contributions are appreciated.

Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-05-21 17:21, Bruce Byfield a écrit :

On Monday, May 21, 2012 01:53:04 PM Simos Xenitellis wrote:


My apologies for not being clearer. I wasn't talking about this
particular template, but the default examples given in LibreOffice
itself.


Can you elaborate on individual files? I think it would be ideal to
describe the task,
in case someone can take it up.


The examples that the bibliographical database ships with are have nonsense
Identifiers like BOR04. The Identifiers should be in the format that appears in
the text -- for example, Smith: 1991.

Then, just to add to the confusion, the dialog window in which you insert a
bibliographical reference into the text refers to the Identifier as the "Short
name." So does the database summary for a single entry.

This confusion has existed ever since the OpenOffice.org code was first 
released.
Since there have been no complaints, I wonder if anyone has ever used the
bibliographical database.

What's needed is a few samples in a chosen citation style that makes the use
of the database obvious.



If someone can work this out we could most likely have it changed.

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes

[Marc Paré]

Hi Christian,

Le 2012-05-20 07:36, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :

Hi Marc, *,

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Marc Paré  wrote:

Would it be a good idea to organize a monthly call for a AskLibO blitz?

I think this would solve some of the outstanding unanswered questions queue.
We could all agree on maybe a 2-day spree where we could all check in and
answer as many questions as possible. The 2-day spree would also allow for a
return to those who answered just in case of a need to update and reply to
the answer.


While this will bring the # of unanswered questions down, I'd rather
have people who ask question also answer other ones :-)

People don't make enough use of their votes yet, they are not really
familiar with the system yet.

What I'd like to avoid is that there will be 10 people answering all
the questions...

But going though the unanswered ones (preferrably in "oldest first"
order) is of course a good idea, but hopefully it will not be the same
people doing all the work.

ciao
Christian



I think the whole exercise of doing blitzes would be to reduce the 
number of outstanding questions as well as reducing the amount of 
frustration these questions are causing. I'm sure once the numbers of 
users increase in the use of the AskLibO, the number of outstanding 
questions will lessen. People will get use to the way it works.


It is also a good exercise for the LibreOffice membership who may have 
forgotten to "pop by" once in a while on the AskLibO pages; I know that 
I am guilty of this. If we want to market LibreOffice in a positive way, 
then we should try our best to give users a great experience on our help 
lines.


It is quite a shock for OOo users to leave their cozy forums and have to 
deal with the busy LibreOffice mailinglists and the AskLibO site. I 
think we can all appreciate that they are left at a disadvantage having 
to learn a new way of reporting problems or even asking for help. Most 
LibreOffice users who use these help lines are really not interested in 
learning a new system, they just need an answer to their questions re: 
trouble with LibreOffice.


On the other hand, community building would help in creating a 
LibreOffice community that could possibly make better use of the AskLibO 
site. This, I believe, we need to foster more on our mailing lists: 
encouraging membership to LibreOffice.


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: FYI, LibreOffice membership

[Marc Paré]

Hi Cor and Florian

Le 2012-05-20 05:00, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Hi,

Cor Nouws wrote on 2012-05-20 10:54:

Good post indeed, thanks!
I think there will be some active members of the community in the
Netherlands/Flanders too, that maybe didn't apply for membership until
now.
Will pass the message there too.


just stumbled across a small problem - the message links to the old
bylaws, which are not really valid anymore (IMHO, there is an executive
director mentioned and so on). The edited ones, reflecting what's in the
statutes and reality, are in the works - busy times. :-)

Florian



Thanks for your messages, and, I guess the page is still valid as far as 
the requirements? As long as it gives our "soon-to-be members" an idea 
on how to qualify for membership as well as what constitutes as 
"contributor to the project". But, yes, an updated page would be nice!


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] FYI, LibreOffice membership

[Marc Paré]

Do you find yourself contributing to LibreOffice's lists and helping 
users in various ways? If you do, or, if you would like to do this in a 
constructive way, you may qualify to become a member of the TDF 
Community membership family.


You may not know it, but you may in fact already qualify for membership! 
Visit the TDF webpages to read up on the requirements for TDF 
membership[1] and if you fit the profile, you may want to apply for 
membership; if you do not and would like to work towards membership, 
then, you should still read the requirements so that you are well informed.


There is a place and a need for all kinds of contributors, just check it 
out! The best reward of being a member is that you will be helping make 
LibreOffice a better community project.


Cheers,

Marc
TDF member

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws#Membership


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[tdf-discuss] AskLibO blitzes

[Marc Paré]

Would it be a good idea to organize a monthly call for a AskLibO blitz?

I think this would solve some of the outstanding unanswered questions 
queue. We could all agree on maybe a 2-day spree where we could all 
check in and answer as many questions as possible. The 2-day spree would 
also allow for a return to those who answered just in case of a need to 
update and reply to the answer.


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities

[Marc Paré]

Hi Pedro,

Le 2012-05-19 17:49, Pedro a écrit :



A user who is already on ANY mailing list has already taken more steps than
the gross majority of the claimed "25 million users" so he/she is probably
more determined and skilled than the average curious user who is only giving
LibreOffice a try.


This I agree with.



This of course is related to the topic "LibreOffice priorities":
LibreOffice/TDF can continue to ignore the users who try and give up because
they are not worth it. You can see in AskLibO the ammount of users having
problems with 3.5.x releases and yet LibreOffice/TDF only recommends the
3.5.x branch (it takes a pretty determined person to find out that in fact
there is an older, more stable version available...)



I don't think we are ignoring and giving up on users, I think it is more 
a problems of effective bug reporting. If users are reporting a problem, 
we should be asking them for details of the problems, enter them into 
bugzilla and getting other users to confirm the bug, this also includes 
ALL of us trying to find a temporary workaround if possible till the bug 
is fixed.


So, instead of sitting on the sidelines and reading of the report of 
problems from users, those of us who are able to do so, should help the 
users be more specific with the problems, get them entered into the 
bugzilla so that they can be triaged and get more confirmations from 
users. This will better help the devs identify the problem and fix them 
in a quicker timeline.


Remember that most of our devs are volunteers and, just like the users 
who have joined the mailinglists (as you say "[have] already taken more 
steps than the gross majority ...), these volunteers have also taken 
more steps that the average users in offering their free time to work on 
the project. If we all help out, our product will be that much better.



Cor Nouws wrote


Nice idea. Since renaming the user profile cannot be done when the suite
itself is running, that should involve some external task.



Not necessarily. You could use the reload method used by many Open Source
programs (e.g. Firefox, Thunderbird, Chromium) were changes that can not be
performed while the program is loaded are followed by a message like
"ProgramX needs to reload for this change to apply. Reload now?"


I have added this to the bug, I also think this is a good idea. If this 
bug seems to come back regularly, then adding some function in the 
"preferences" will at least give help to the users who depend on this.




Cheers,
Pedro



Cheers,

Marc



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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Marc Paré]

Hi Patrick,

Le 2012-05-19 02:26, Patrick GERIN a écrit :

Le 16/05/2012 7:34, Marc Paré a écrit :

...snip...
Thanks, I should have mentioned that I was not really looking for the
MS format compatibility as this is an on-going process, even almost a
"cat and mouse" process for LibreOffice. I find that professors I
collaborate with are more forgiving of the ODF format and will accept
submissions in ODF from their students. The reason for this is that
some of these professors use LibreOffice at home and do conferences
with their laptop with both MSO and LibreOffice on their machines.
So, I am really looking for people on this list who are in academia
and have "extended" their LibreOffice for use in their work. What
extensions are they using, and, it would be nice to know why?
Cheers,
Marc


Dear Marc,
I am working in an university environment.
I'm successfully using LibreOffice without any add-on or extension.
However, my use of LibreOffice is quite limited in my profesionnal
environment, due to the following problems:

1. I have to work with files (texts, spreadsheets, presentations) that
have to be edited and exchanged with students and colleagues, who are
mostly M$ users (sorry to come back again to the same M$ story...)

2. We tried to select Calc as the reference spreadsheet for all data
treatment in my team, but absence of X-error bars is too limiting for
our specific use.


Do you (or anyone) know if this has been submitted to the devs as a bug 
or feature request?




As mentionned by others, Zotero is used in our university environment
for bibliographic citations.

Hope this can help,
Best regards,
PG



Thanks for the info.

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities

[Marc Paré]

Hi Pedro,

Thanks for the reply and comments.

Le 2012-05-18 05:50, Pedro a écrit :

Hi Marc


Marc Paré wrote


Actually, after reading the bug report, I checked to see if I had the
same problem. I read the suggestion of resetting the profile and it now
works properly.

Let me know if this works for you too and I will file a report on your
submitted bug confirming the fix.



Resetting the user profile is hardly a fix. I think the correct name is
workaround.

Although this is acceptable for advanced users, it is enough to make someone
who is trying out LibreOffice to give up (see comments in AskLibO and User
mailing list)

Returning to the subject of this topic, adding a mechanism (i.e. a one click
button to Repair profile) to fix this kind of problems would be a good
addition to the usability and friendliness of the Suite.

(Before someone shoots the LibreOffice default comment "Why don't you fix it
yourself?" TM, I want to add that I am not a developer)

Regards,
Pedro


The process of bug-fixing is:

* people report a bug
* people confirm the bug through testing
* devs either accept or reject the bug (normally accept, unless the bug 
is a duplicate of another bug report)

* people + devs find a temporary work-around
* devs will try to find a fix
* people will try the fix and report back
* fix is corrected in an updated version

Now that we have found a workaround for this bug, the volunteer-devs can 
get to work at finding the solution, which, can either be a small fix or 
a large coding fix; we don't really know at this point. (BTW, I am also 
not a dev.)


The bug-report-fixing in opensource projects is normally heavy on people 
reporting problems and finding temporary workarounds, often with dev 
support. The workaround does not mean that the bug will be closed, it 
just means that the devs now have solid confirmation of the problem and 
finding a fix with testing is the next step.


In fact, if a user reports a bug, it is hoped, in all cases, that the 
user will help testing out any fixes suggested by the devs so that they 
can better understand and correct the problem.


Although opensource software is free to use, it is hoped that the user 
will help make the project better by participating in some way as a form 
of repayment, if at all possible. There is always something a user can 
do to help no matter how small the contribution. Even leaving comments 
such as yours is helpful. (BTW, I will include you comment about the 
"one click button ..." to the bug report.)[1]


If you feel you can help with the LibreOffice project in any way, feel 
free to ask and someone will suggest where you could help. Now that we 
know the workaround we can help other users who have this problem by 
informing them of it.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/process_bug.cgi



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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-05-17 18:41, Richard a écrit :

Bug filed yesterday at Bugzilla:
49929



Thanks!

Actually, after reading the bug report, I checked to see if I had the 
same problem. I read the suggestion of resetting the profile and it now 
works properly.


Let me know if this works for you too and I will file a report on your 
submitted bug confirming the fix.


Cheers,

Marc





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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-05-16 03:16, Jussi Silvonen a écrit :


I am a senior researcher at the University of Eastern Finland, and have
used OOo/LibO for years. I think LibO is good enough for basic writing and
presentations.

  Extension I have found useful:

- alternative search, compose special characters,  linguist, convert text
to number, notes anchor.


Support for many languages (Finnish + English, French, Spanish, German,
Swedish) is essential for researcher's in any small language area.

I can do almost everything I need with LibO. There are, however, two big
missing features I would favor.


The first missing feature is the management of bibliographic information
(references, citations). In the past – as a Windows user – I used to create
my list of references by using EndNote. It's a great tool for a social
scientist. We really need something like it.


So far we have been quoted 3rd party tools: Zotero; JabRef; Mendely, but 
yes, it would be nice if this were a built-in feature.




The other missing feature is real multimedia support for Impress (adding
videos and sound in presentations, don't work now, actually).


I think this has been an on-going "bug" request/fix and hopefully it 
will be fixed sometime soon.




There are only few templates for academic use, for thesis, papers for
review in journals etc.To create a proper file for their final version of
their theses is a nightmare for most students using Word. A nice template
for this would be appreciated very much.


Hmm, perhaps we could see if this would be of interest to one of the 
devs. Could you do a quick outline of what you would consider necessary 
in the template? We would probably need an example of thesis, paper for 
review etc for each case. If it doesn't interest anyone at the moment, 
at least there will be an outline and examples for someone to take up on 
a "work item" list somewhere.





best regards

JusSi



Thanks for your comments.

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-05-15 03:32, Marc Paré a écrit :

I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in an academic
environment. What would some of you, who are using LibreOffice, consider
necessary to use LibreOffice in an academic setting.

I am not looking for a "wish-list", but a list of any extensions/add-ons
to LibreOffice that are available right now. Is LibreOffice sufficient
as is, or do any of you have any suggestions of add-ons that are really
needed for such a setting as a college/university/academic environment?

Thanks for any input.

Marc




So essentially, what I am getting from this discussion is that:

* LibreOffice can be successfully extended with Zotero[1], JabRef[2], 
Mendely[3] for bibliography work (it exports to LibreOffice); citations 
can be handled with citing one's bibliography in the document by using 
'Insert->citation'; appendices may be built by following instructions 
described on this referenced post[4]; no need for third party Math tools 
as LibreOffice handles this well; working with styles can help manage 
large documents effectively (i.e. page and paragraph styles); other 
useful extensions: "alternative search", "compose special characters", 
"linguist", "convert text to number", "notes anchor"; not to mention 
language support is more than adequate.


There is a need for a few templates for academic use; a built-in 
bibliographic tool and get the multimedia support for video and sound 
fixed. Not to mention the on-going thing about file format compatibility 
with MSO ... hard to get when you can't rely on any kind of standard 
format from Microsoft.


Would there be anything else?

I am hoping to work on a marketing pamphlet expounding the values of 
LibreOffice in academia.



Cheers,

Marc

[1] http://www.zotero.org (standalone or plugin)
[2] http://jabref.sourceforge.net/
[3] http://www.mendeley.com/
[4] http://www.mail-archive.com/users@global.libreoffice.org/msg14422.html


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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Marc Paré]

Hi Simos

Le 2012-05-16 02:48, Simos Xenitellis a écrit :

You can cite your bibliography in the document using 'Insert→citation".

There are more bibliography tools, if you are interested to test them out,
JabRef,http://jabref.sourceforge.net/


I just looked at JabRef and it does have custom export formats for 
"OpenOffice.org" -> presumably these would work with LibreOffice. I have 
left them a note. It may prove to be just another "hurdle" for some as 
the default format is LaTeX and I would probably guess that most people 
who are working with LibreOffice are most likely not too familiar with 
LaTeX.



Mendeley,http://www.mendeley.com/  (+document management, closed source).


Does support "OpenOffice" -> presumably on LibreOffice as well. I have 
left them a note. I had tried this one a couple of years ago, there is a 
free version but I never really looked too closely at the pay-version.




Regarding appendices, see
http://www.mail-archive.com/users@global.libreoffice.org/msg14422.html


Thanks!



I wonder if there is a document on the LibreOffice Wiki about all these.
That is, a document that explains how to use LibreOffice Writer for
academic work.


Not yet. Sounds like a good idea.



Simos


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-05-17 13:18, Richard a écrit :

eOn Thu, May 17, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Pedro  wrote:

IMHO after several releases it is possibly time to slow down a bit and

concentrate on Quality instead of Quantity...

Just a thought...

Regards,
Pedro



+1
Running the current stable, LibO-3.5.3-2, which is,
IMHO, a tremendous improvement over the old OOo,
but a bit of polish and bug fixing would certainly help our image.

Just niggling things, but they stand out, especially when you use it
everyday --recent files doesn't work,

regards,
Richard.



I think we all need to get used to submitting bugs and to check if 
anyone else has reported the same bug.


If recent files do not work, could you please let us know and we can 
test it, if more people confirm then a bug will be submitted.


What is the wrong with files, could you describe what is not working?

Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Marc Paré]

Hi Mark

Le 2012-05-16 09:29, Mark Preston a écrit :

Marc,

So far I've avoided commenting on your request for two main reasons: I
was obliged to retire last February so am no longer an "academic" as
such and also it was not clear what you were meaning.


I am not sure it there is such a thing as a retired academic. :-)



Let me say that I never had problems with LibO (since the addition of
free-motion paths into Impress) for academic work. True, there are
differences in the way LibO and MS manage insertion of bibliography,
citations, references and so on but so what? You just get used to the
different way of working.

I had issues - probably my fault for not working it out - getting text
to flow round a graphic in any shape other than a rectangle. That can
be a real bother. I also don't like the way floating text boxes drift
around not just the page but the whole document when format changes
are made - or even worse when sections are moved!

I also never managed to put a working spreadsheet into a text
document, though it is something I use only rarely. Finally, the real
bugbear I have is that you can't "quick-roll" a database on the fly.
Either the database has to exist before you start (even if empty) or
you are tied into one highly restricted way of working.

I do hope this helps in some way.



Thanks for the information. I will keep this in mind when writing my 
"blurb". I was really looking for ways that academics may have added 
extensions to LibreOffice to make it more usable in academia, but this 
still helps.


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-05-15 04:28, Gordon Burgess-Parker a écrit :

On 15/05/12 09:20, Laurence Jeloudev wrote:


I hope Microsoft Office support Libreoffice file formats the odf
formats in there next office release,

They already "support" odf formats. (From Office 2007 SP1 if I recall).
Unfortunately they do it on their terms such that if you open an ods
file in Excel ALL the formulae are stripped out and replaced with the
last value. Useful, huh?





Thanks, I should have mentioned that I was not really looking for the MS 
format compatibility as this is an on-going process, even almost a "cat 
and mouse" process for LibreOffice. I find that professors I collaborate 
with are more forgiving of the ODF format and will accept submissions in 
ODF from their students. The reason for this is that some of these 
professors use LibreOffice at home and do conferences with their laptop 
with both MSO and LibreOffice on their machines.


So, I am really looking for people on this list who are in academia and 
have "extended" their LibreOffice for use in their work. What extensions 
are they using, and, it would be nice to know why?


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Marc Paré]

Thanks Sveinn

Le 2012-05-15 04:28, Sveinn í Felli a écrit :

Þann þri 15.maí 2012 07:32, skrifaði Marc Paré:

I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in
an academic environment. What would some of you, who are
using LibreOffice, consider necessary to use LibreOffice in
an academic setting.

I am not looking for a "wish-list", but a list of any
extensions/add-ons to LibreOffice that are available right
now. Is LibreOffice sufficient as is, or do any of you have
any suggestions of add-ons that are really needed for such a
setting as a college/university/academic environment?

Thanks for any input.

Marc


First, using LibreOffice would be a long term process
towards use of ODP as a file format for future references,
in my country this is a recommandation from our National
Archives.


Yes, I am also finding here in Canada, that the academia is starting to 
acknowledge more and more ODF formats, and the professors that I do work 
and collaborate with are accepting more and more submissions done up in 
ODF (most are still calling it the "OpenOffice" format).




Concerning extensions/add-ons in academic context:
frequently asked is about an EndNotes replacement. There
have been threads here on [tdf-discuss], most recommend
Zotero for bibliographic work.

My 2 centimes,
Sveinn í felli




Thanks, this is what I am looking for.

Zotero for bibliographic work; but it doesn't sound like you have worked 
with this extension.


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Marc Paré]

Hi Jonathan,

Le 2012-05-16 01:02, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit :

Bibliography creation as well as source citations are very very important.

Regards
Jonathan Aquilina

On May 15, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Marc Paré wrote:



Thanks, I am looking for people who are using specific extensions in 
their academic work. Maybe I should post this on the users' list as 
well. I was hoping that some people who work in academia could chime in 
and say what extensions they were using specifically for use in academia.


Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Marc Paré]

I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in an academic 
environment. What would some of you, who are using LibreOffice, consider 
necessary to use LibreOffice in an academic setting.


I am not looking for a "wish-list", but a list of any extensions/add-ons 
to LibreOffice that are available right now. Is LibreOffice sufficient 
as is, or do any of you have any suggestions of add-ons that are really 
needed for such a setting as a college/university/academic environment?


Thanks for any input.

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Events Calendar on LibreOffice.org website and wiki

[Marc Paré]

FYI, there is now an "events calendar" on the LibreOffice website. You 
will find it in the "About Us" section[1]. For those of you working on 
the wiki, you may also find same calendar on the wiki with identical 
information[2].


Cheers,

Marc


[1] 
http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/libreoffice-international-events-calendar/

[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EventsCalendar

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Best way to suggest new features ?

[Marc Paré]

Hi Christoph

Le 2012-03-01 12:37, Christoph Noack a écrit :

Well, developers should at least provide insight if something is
technically not manageable ... but the funny thing is, that an idea pool
could provide some inspiration to them - like the EasyHacks do today ...


>  >  IMO, I prefer the method we now have of someone proposing a
>  >  feature/enhancement on the discussion list where we can all have a
>  >  discussion about it and then someone adding it to the bugzilla once it
>  >  has been refined. I don't see much value with people proposing
>  >  features and the masses ranking it up or down with little discussion.
>  >  But this is only my opinion.

>  +1.

Discussions are absolutely required when it comes to a certain point,
but sometimes it would already help to know what helps (more) "normal"
users most. And that usually doesn't happen on mailing lists, nor can it
be measured easily.

However, Marc asked for some "wiki-fication" ... here is a page I've
started some years ago. It basically collects requirements and some
proposals, although outdated, maybe helpful:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Idea_Handling

By the way, if somebody wants to extract parts of the page, then feel
free (speaking of my contributions);-)

Cheers,
Christoph


Thanks for the wiki page reference. It is nice to read that there was 
already some movement at that time ... I am not really concerned at how 
the ideas are voiced but more with how it is reported back to the devs. 
I still think that it would be more efficient for all if the devs told 
us their preference as to how they would like to have these reported to 
them. I am not sure if devs would like to lurk even more discussion 
groups dealing with ideas. If we knew then we could organize accordingly.


Cheers

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Best way to suggest new features ?

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-02-29 11:36, Fabian Rodriguez a écrit :

On 12-02-29 02:46 AM, Charles-H.Schulz wrote:

Le mardi 28 février 2012 à 16:32 -0500, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi Olivier

Le 2012-02-28 14:49, Olivier Hallot a écrit :


[...]

Heh :) :

http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/63/ask-for-features-new-idea

F.


The question here though is, will the devs actually visit these pages 
often?


Perhaps, this discussion should really be taken up on the dev list with 
devs only and you (the devs) tell us the way that you would prefer to 
have suggestions funnelled back to you. We could then refine the process 
after we know as to which format the devs would like to receive the 
feature requests.


IMO, I prefer the method we now have of someone proposing a 
feature/enhancement on the discussion list where we can all have a 
discussion about it and then someone adding it to the bugzilla once it 
has been refined. I don't see much value with people proposing features 
and the masses ranking it up or down with little discussion. But this is 
only my opinion.


Ultimately, whether a feature is accepted or not usually rests on 
whether a dev will actually adopt it. Our system of meritocracy pretty 
well drives the end process.


This is also a recurring topic on this list, marketing and website 
lists. It would be nice if the process could be defined and "wikified".


Cheers,

Marc



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[tdf-discuss] Re: Best way to suggest new features ?

[Marc Paré]

Hi Olivier

Le 2012-02-28 14:49, Olivier Hallot a écrit :

Good question indeed, I use to receive demand directly in this mail address.

May be we should turn this page to get more visibility:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development#Lists_of_enhancements_and_missing_features

Regards
- --
Olivier Hallot


Is this page really used by the devs? I have never seen this page. Would 
it not make more sense to put a feature request as a bug for the devs 
and this way there would be a followup on the bugzilla?[1]


IMO, it just seems like such a big job to keep the wiki up to date, and, 
if you make it more visible, you can expect a lot more people voting 
which would need more work to tally the on-going change of vote count.


If people are so passionate about feature requests, then they could 
create and account and join in on the conversation on bugzilla and 
perhaps help out?


It just seems that this just adds another layer of complexity that is 
really not needed. The bugzilla is easier to work with and is more 
direct. Unless I am wrong, many projects use their bugzilla to submit 
feature requests and they are "triaged" by someone at some point.


Marc

[1] 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport#How_to_use_the_Bug_Submission_Assistant



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[tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation officially incorporated in Berlin, Germany

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-02-21 07:57, Thorsten Behrens a écrit :

Marc Paré wrote:

I believe that "Activities" is missing "Marketing"


You're so right - updated! :)

(seems some cache is still displaying the old png though)

Cheers,

-- Thorsten



Thanks! Looks fine.

Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation officially incorporated in Berlin, Germany

[Marc Paré]

Le 2012-02-21 06:10, Thorsten Behrens a écrit :

Florian Effenberger wrote:

New entity has been legally created on February 17th, 2012
German Stiftung to provide strong and enduring rights for the
LibreOffice community


Hi,

based on a version from Mike,

  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Organization

now has an org chart visualizing the Foundation entities according
to the legal statutes.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten



Nice!

I believe that "Activities" is missing "Marketing"

Cheers,

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation officially incorporated in Berlin, Germany

[Marc Paré]

Congratulations to all who made this possible! Great news indeed!

Cheers,

Marc

Le 2012-02-20 04:11, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

The Document Foundation officially incorporated in Berlin, Germany

New entity has been legally created on February 17th, 2012
German Stiftung to provide strong and enduring rights for the
LibreOffice community

Berlin, February 20th, 2012. The Document Foundation today announces
that it has been officially incorporated in the state of Berlin,
Germany. The legal form of the entity is a German "rechtsfähige Stiftung
des bürgerlichen Rechts", a form based on the governance model the
LibreOffice community has chosen. On Friday afternoon, February 17th,
the incorporation certificate, signed by the state secretary, has been
handed over by the authorities. With this legal act, the entity
officially came to life and is legally recognized.






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