Re: [tdf-discuss] Are return codes implemented?
2012/11/21 Thorsten Behrens > chuckSMASH wrote: > > When you invoke LibreOffice from the command line with the headless > command > > and try to convert a file to another format, the exit code of the > command is > > zero regardless of whether LibreOffice was actually able convert the > file or > > not. > > > Hi Chuck, > > thanks for your heads-up - best way of interaction in this case is > to file a bugreport, as indeed it would be helpful to get a proper > status back: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport > > Cheers, > > -- Thorsten > exit(0) indicates success, but exit(1) should indeed be there to indicate a error. -- Olav Dahlum PGP key ID: 0xA6BD1795 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] libreoffice 6 sp1, and accessibility
2012/7/19 laller > Dear Libre Office developer! > > You make a very good work in this programm, I am a very satisfied user. > I do not post on this list, and I do not know, if it is allowed, or not. I > have a big request for you, if you could do for this: > The libre office version six is not accessible anymore. Y > You did it so good at libreoffice four, and five, but in six is gone. I > do not know, why. > Can you reaccessible your avesome software? > And can I ask something? > Are there any solution, to know, on which page I am writing? > For me would be this a blessing, and I very appreciate your help, and your > work. > Thanks in advance! > Lajos Bélteki > > Lieber Libreoffice hersteller! > > Ich bin überaus dankbar, wegen dieses hervorragenden programm. Es ist > so gut nutzbar mit meinen bildschirmleser, aber ich habe einige bitte für > sie, sehr geehrte herren. > Ich habe die neue version, sechchs getestet, und es ist richtig, sie > können mir vorwerfen, das es beta ist, aber nucht mit bildschirmleser, mit > java access bridge nutzbar. > Könnten sie vielleicht etwas, sehr geehrte Herren, damit tun? > Ich bin überaus glücklich. > Aber ich habe auch noch eine bitte. Könnten sie vielleicht die > rechtschreibung, und die seitenzahlen mit access bridge erreichbar machen? > Ich bleibe immer ihre treue Kunde! > Lajos Bélteki > > -- > e-mail, msn/windows live, aim, google talk: > lali.belt...@gmail.com > yahoo messenger: > lali.belt...@yahoo.com > skype: > lali.belteki1 > klango: > laller86 > twitter: > laller1986 > Facebook: > Bélteki Lajos > Netlog: > lali86 > rs games client name: > lali > quentin playroom name: > lali > icq: > 583849718 > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > discuss+help@**documentfoundation.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** > unsubscribe/<http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/> > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** > Netiquette <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette> > List archive: > http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/**discuss/<http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/> > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > On Windows? And which screen reader is it? -- Olav Dahlum PGP key ID: 0xA6BD1795 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
I agree that is the worse thing that I do not like about LibreOffice, is that there is no sufficient compatibility with Microsoft Office. > An Example are pptx files, that have formatting errors where the text does > not fit on the same slide, and runs off the page. so everything has to be > re-sized again. all the text boxes. > So why use the proprietary file formats in Microsoft Office then? Most of them are defective by design as well. > I hope Microsoft Office support Libreoffice file formats the odf formats > in there next office release, as then it would help more compatibility > issues and problems with files and formatting hopefully being fixed. > If they ditch the flawed OOXML support, that can happen. > Microsoft are not the only company that have this problem, working with > Apple iwork files also has formatting problems with Calc in Libreoffice > when apple convert them to an xls format. i don't understand how that works > Apple do not have the file specifications for Microsoft Office formats, as the rest of us. On top of that, Microsoft Office for MacOS have been known to cause problems when opening files created in the Windows version. Coincidence? > LibreOffice and Google Docs (Drive) still don't work together sometimes > especially with fonts and formatting errors. Although again, its a google > issue not an issue with libreoffice. > So, why bring it up here? > In An Academic environment, I believe the software suite could work, > although I am restricted currently at the moment only allowed to use > Microsoft Office. I am a student at a school, the thing that annoys me, is > when microsoft office lags, and it hangs, on school computers. It then > wastes a lot of my time when typing a document (somtimes crashing and the > document doesn't want to retrieve!). Then when I am at home, libreoffice > always works flawlessly. > Meaning, they have no concept of sharing documents using standardized formats. This is good reading for the uneducated: http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/#Before, and if they don't understand, confiscate their computer(s). > > > ljelly. Regards, Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
2012/5/15 Pieter E. Zanstra > Like it or not, only one thing matters: > Seemless file exchange with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. Period! > Pieter > > Simple, just ask Microsoft to publish the specifications for all their file formats … Regards, Olav Dahlum -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Accessibility, very important!
2012/2/15 Sveinn í Felli > Þann mið 15.feb 2012 22:14, skrifaði Olav Dahlum: > >> On 15/02/12 22:26, lali wrote: >> >>> Dear All, dear Community! >>> >>> I am very confused. If I tried to check the accessibility option for >>> my nvda, in libre office, the option staied unchecked. I tried hundred >>> >> > > Danke: >>> Euer Lali >>> >>> >> Which screen reader? >> >> > Guess he's referring to NVDA screen reader for Windows. > > > Sveinn í Felli Ah, thanks for clearing that up. – Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Accessibility, very important!
On 15/02/12 22:26, lali wrote: > Dear All, dear Community! > > I am very confused. If I tried to check the accessibility option for > my nvda, in libre office, the option staied unchecked. I tried hundred > more, with, and without a sighted person. I am in a trial periode in > office 2007, because I am very confused. > Can you make a security update, dear community? I am not a programmer. > > In deutsch: > Liebe Gemeinde von Libreoffice! > > Ich habe ein sehr grosses problem, mit euren Programm. Es hat alles > funktioniert, zu der Zeit, bis ich zu die neueste version umstellte. > Die bildschirmleser einstellung war bei mir eingeschaltet in den > vorherigen versionen, und ich konnte es nicht. > Ich habe es mit einem Sehenden auch probiert, es hat nicht geklappt. > Bitte macht eine Erneuerungsaktualisierung, weil ich in der zeit office > 2007 in 30 tage testversion nutze. > Danke: > Euer Lali > Which screen reader? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] MS Outlook?
2012/2/15 Shawn Sumin > Will LibreOffice ever have a similar program like MS Outlook? > > i.e. Calendar, Tasks, Contacts and Mail > The components was thrown out of StarOffice in its time, so putting them back won't be feasible. But as other people points out, it's actually possible to integrate third party applications without much difficulty. The focus here should mainly be on office suites, but I also understand the importance of a fully working front office solution, so improving integration are important. – Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Can we replace "Floppy Disk"
On 28/12/11 20:56, M Henri Day wrote: > 2011/12/28 Robert Derman > >> Olav Dahlum wrote: >> >>> On 28/12/11 20:05, Danishka Navin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> As you all know the floppy disc is some thing out dated in the modern >>>> computer world. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I'm afraid it's not the case, a lot of people use them, and especially >>> in governmental institutions. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Why we still continue the "Floppy Disk" as the icon for "Save" button in >>>> LibreOffice? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Anyway, this could be replaced by a more generic computer/down arrow >>> button to reflect the different media better. >>> >>> >> The trouble is, most people would not recognize this, and there is of >> course the limitation that icons must be fairly simple in form. Also I am >> not sure that an icon of an optical disk, which would be much more valid >> today would be as easily recognized. Actually in nearly every case the >> document is being saved on a hard drive, but that would be much more >> difficult to represent as a simple icon. I remember MS tried this in >> Win-95, and it ended up looking more like a drum and drumstick. As long as >> we all recognize the floppy as a floppy, it really doesn't matter that much >> that it is archaic. >> > > What people recognise and what they recognise it as is a vexed issue ; my > experience in teaching retirees to use computers here in Stockholm is that > when I point to the floppy-disk icon and ask what it represents, the most > frequent reply I receive is «an old-fashioned TV». But I agree, replacing > this well-established icon with a new one would probably give rise to more > confusion than enlightenment > > Henri > The TV set approach was completely new to me … Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libo-marketing-priv] Can we replace "Floppy Disk"
On 28/12/11 21:30, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Danishka Navin wrote: >> As you all know the floppy disc is some thing out dated in the modern >> computer world. >> >> Why we still continue the "Floppy Disk" as the icon for "Save" button in >> LibreOffice? > > When was the last time you saw a phone that look like > http://iphonestudio.co.uk/images/uber_iphone_phone_logo.jpg > :-) > Ironically that 70 years old design is still used on IPhone and others > modern cell-phone to indicate: 'telephone' > > But hey, if you have a better icon, that will be as readily understood > by users as meaning 'save'... sure, why not :-) > I did a quick Google picture search with 'save icon', and I ended-up > with 1001-variations on the floppy theme :-) > > Norbert > Hehe, well, thinking of it, digital cameras mimic the mechanical sounds. Still, anyone with an idea and access to a reference group should be able to check whether this is feasible or not. – Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Can we replace "Floppy Disk"
On 28/12/11 20:20, Olivier Hallot wrote: > I think the issue is not the floppy disk media itself but the fact that > floppy image is a very old icon, imprinted in the mind of hundreds of > millions of persons as the Save icon. > > Like changing traffic signs, I foresee a lot of troubles. Yes, I agree. However, replacing it with something like an optical disc (which is also imprinted in peoples minds, and could represent everything from mechanical HDD plates to BlueRay) could be an idea. And there is still an menu entry, shortcut and tooltips to guide people... > > Kind regards > > Em 28-12-2011 17:13, Olav Dahlum escreveu: >> On 28/12/11 20:05, Danishka Navin wrote: >>> As you all know the floppy disc is some thing out dated in the modern >>> computer world. > >> I'm afraid it's not the case, a lot of people use them, and especially >> in governmental institutions. > >>> >>> Why we still continue the "Floppy Disk" as the icon for "Save" button in >>> LibreOffice? > >> Anyway, this could be replaced by a more generic computer/down arrow >> button to reflect the different media better. > >>> >>> Best regards, > >> – Olav > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Can we replace "Floppy Disk"
On 28/12/11 20:05, Danishka Navin wrote: > As you all know the floppy disc is some thing out dated in the modern > computer world. I'm afraid it's not the case, a lot of people use them, and especially in governmental institutions. > > Why we still continue the "Floppy Disk" as the icon for "Save" button in > LibreOffice? Anyway, this could be replaced by a more generic computer/down arrow button to reflect the different media better. > > Best regards, – Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Status of .docX etc.
On 14/12/11 11:27, Harold Fuchs wrote: > > "e-letter" wrote in message > news:CAET1fe6jeCR1769v-0yaDhUMw78v0pH4P2O+0T1jeg9B8=e...@mail.gmail.com... >> On 13/12/2011, Harold Fuchs wrote: >>> Would someone please either explain or point me at a detailed >>> explanation of >>> the current status of LO vis à vis the "new" MS office document formats >>> docx, xlsx etc. >>> >> >> Here we go again: please explain why you can't afford to buy m$??? >> >> Have you written to m$ to ask for an explanation why: (1) m$ cannot >> write to odf standards; >> >> (2) m$ cannot write to m$ooxml itself >> > > I don't want to buy m$. I don't want to engage with m$. But occasionally > I need to be able to exchange documents with other, less enlightened > people. As Aleksandr Orlov would say: simples. > It could also be that the governments accepts it as an exchange format for documents in their sector. In Norway it's still under governmental observation. ODF 1.1 on the other hand has been mandatory since January 1. 2010. All documents made previously before this date must be converted in 2014. http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/fad/dok/rundskriv/2009/referansekatalogen.html?id=570673 Thus, we must be able to open older documents made in OOXML not yet converted etc. – Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Status of .docX etc.
On 14/12/11 10:21, e-letter wrote: > On 13/12/2011, Harold Fuchs wrote: >> Would someone please either explain or point me at a detailed explanation of >> the current status of LO vis à vis the "new" MS office document formats >> docx, xlsx etc. >> > > Here we go again: please explain why you can't afford to buy m$??? > > Have you written to m$ to ask for an explanation why: (1) m$ cannot > write to odf standards; > > (2) m$ cannot write to m$ooxml itself > Next time you see a question here, don't answer. And signing with your name when attacking people personally is mandatory. – Olav Dahlum LibreOffice Norway -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Naming builds. Please???
On 08/12/11 02:12, Marc Paré wrote: > Hi Christoph, > > Le 2011-12-07 16:54, christoph.no...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : >> Hi Marc, all, >> >> see >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboard/LibreOffice_Send_Feedback >> >> >> Help appreciated :-) >> >> Cheers, >> Christoph > Nice! > > I imagine, that if the user finally got to the point of filling out a > bug, that, perhaps, there would be an automatic forced search of any > similar bug(s) having been submitted? I know that the hardest part of > filing a bug on any project is the initial search for similar > bugs/complaints. Once the search completed then it is all pretty easy to > complete aside from giving a good description and a way to replicate the > bug. > > Nice whiteboard on automating the process. > > Cheers, > > Marc > Maybe someone have the time to dig into the KDE KCrash Handler source and check out these features there? – Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Is Microsoft getting worried about free Office suites?
On 28/11/11 13:13, Pedro wrote: > > Ian Lynch wrote >> >> Google should do a version of Office based on the >> OOo/LibO code base and embed ads and search links, make it available >> freely >> and brand it Google Office. Given their brand strength and marketing, >> that >> would probably do more to frighten MS than anything we can do. Slightly >> surprised they haven't already done it. >> > > Interesting concept. But I think they are investing a lot on the "Cloud" > with the Chrome Book laptops that investing time on an offline suite doesn't > make much sense... > > In the same line of thought: Google Docs is fine in the "Developed" > countries where working in the "Cloud" is a reality. This is not so for more > than 2/3 of the world's population > (http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm) > > I do believe that currently LibreOffice is the leading alternative to MS > Office (but would love to see some numbers :) ) > Well, not specific to LibreOffice, but take a look at some of the documents I've compiled: http://login.kristshell.net/~olorin/Dokumenter/ – Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IAccessible2, IBM, Oracle (was: (...) Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)
On 29/07/11 00:03, toki wrote: > On 07/28/2011 04:21 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > >> All that I see & know for sure is that it took 5 years and the code > still is not in the repo. > > IBM claims that since it was in an OOo 1.1.x branch, it was in the repo, > and that it is Sun's fault that it wasn't incorporated into OOo 2.x, or > OOo 3.x. > > A claim that ignores that it was placed in the branch substantially > after development of the main trunk the branch was part of, had ceased > >> Rather than suggesting Symphony, suggest switching to linux instead. > > Trying to switch a blind user to Linux is an exercise in futility. > > None of the screen readers for Linux are even close to being "drop in" > replacements for JAWS. Well, with the limited amount of applications actually working with JAWS, I would say you haven't tried either of them. > > Retraining a blind person to use Linux isn't a matter of spending two or > three days in training. Instead, you are looking at 60 - 90 days of > training, of which a good third of which will be sitting at the desk of > the blind user, helping them overcome the design flaws of the software > that they are attempting to use. I have two friends with the same level of blindness. One of them are unskilled and the other skilled, but none have more problems with e.g Orca and brlapi than other screen reader combos. The software design flaws are cross platform, which means a useless application (an application the screen reader for various reasons can't read) is problematic on whatever platform you choose. A good example on how not to do this is PcTools SuperAntiSpyware on Windows or ESET NOD32 for Windows and Linux. Both are useless for a person not relying on their eyesight... > jonathon – Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: RE : Re: RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
Ok, information overflow. I know we're early in the stage, but I'm a bit unsure about what I should tell people. I see a lot of possibilities with ASF on board and as the web expertise is strong in that camp, also the realisation of some dreams. I dunno too much about ASF licensing, but how different will it be from the current situation? Several have pointed out IBM Symphony, which indeed contain elements from OOo, as a culprit. But the LGPL allows that, and to me that doesn't sound too far from ASF licensing. And after reading a lot of your e-mails, I'm convinced about OOo still being a viable base for several projects adapting the code to their own taste, even if we don't quite agree on the licenses. I think the most important bit is that they're compatible with each other, which to me sounds quite feasible. I also find the possibility of IBM among other users actually contributing to the source and publicly announcing their support highly intriguing too. I'm involved in more than one project basing its software on this code base. So I'm not only speaking as an LibreOffice contributor here. I think we can indeed come to a mutual agreement benefiting all parties here. However, I didn't say it will be easy... Sincerely, Olav Dahlum -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
On 04/06/11 06:21, Greg Stein wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 22:06, Allen Pulsifer wrote: >> ... >> Some of you may have noticed that Greg Stein, a member of the Apache >> Software Foundation Board of Directors has joined this list and offered to >> answer any questions. Please feel free to ask him about anything that is on >> your mind. He would be a better person to answer, since I'm new to all this >> Apache stuff myself :-) > > Thanks for the great email, Allen, and for the shout-out. Yes, I'm > here listening. Most people at Apache are not familiar with this > community, and so I feel it is important to listen and lurk here to > get a better understanding. Sure... I can also answer questions, and > would be more than happy to do that. In any discussion threads that > may pop up, about the Apache work, I'll also attempt to fill in blanks > where I see them. > > Cheers, > -g > Most of us do indeed like to retain the ownership ourselves, but I don't personally have any problems with reusing my translations etc in software. People take great pride in contributing and want to be credited for what they achieve. You might want to clarify the situation for the sceptics, who don't want their code lost in some proprietary project not acknowledging their work, but rather claiming it as their own. Regards, Olav Dahlum -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] German Foreign Office is dropping only open source software policy
On 13/05/11 20:02, plino wrote: > http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/227849/open_source_advocates_angry_at_german_govt_decision.html > > This isn't even about OpenOffice vs LibreOffice... It's about Closed Source > vs Open Source > > TBH I think it was a bad move to change radically if you have experienced > and productive users trained on whatever program (regardless of the > license). > > Also, if you need professional support you can't just move to Open Source, > let alone a Linux distro that was still being developed... > > Could it be that it took them 6 years to realize that? > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/German-Foreign-Office-is-dropping-only-open-source-software-policy-tp2935716p2935716.html > Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > A bit offtopic of course, but what a waste! Suse have been there all the time and I'm pretty sure Redhat have a regional office serving Germany. So I think this cooks down to mismanagement above everything else... -Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Vertical Text not working
On 10/04/11 09:47, Kunal Singh wrote: > i use windows xp sp3 and tatest version of Liber Office as of date. > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Andrea Pescetti > wrote: > >> On 13/03/2011 Andreas Mantke wrote: >>> Am Sonntag, 13. März 2011, 04:39:15 schrieb Kunal Singh: View > Toolbars > Drawing > Vertical Text not working. >>> I tried with LibreOffice 3.3.2-x64-rc1 on openSUSE 11.3-x64 KDE 4.4.4 and >> I can't >>> persuade the icon for vertical text to appear in the drawing toolbar. >> >> This seems http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=54423 >> >> Regards, >> Andrea. >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >> Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >> *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >> > > > And in 3.4? Regards, Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Libreoffice for Mac
On 04/03/11 13:14, Laurence Jeloudev wrote: > Will libreoffice be supported for future os s on the Mac? > > Etc Mac Osx lion? > > Sent from my iPhone > As far as I know, it's built on Tiger, but I use the latest Snow Leopard here. Regards, Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] No more desktop Linux systems in the German Foreign Office - The H Open Source: News and Features
On 18/02/11 09:01, Irmhild Rogalla wrote: > Hi, > > Am 18.02.2011 07:16, schrieb Samphan Raruenrom: >> They're moving back from Linux to Windows+Office! What's happening there? > > It's a very specific German *party* political decision, against > consultants (McKinsey) suggestions. > > (see - in German language- > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Linux-im-Auswaertigen-Amt-Rueckmigration-auf-Windows-nicht-zwingend-1192284.html > and links there) > > Short summary: McKinsey said (twice): > - open-source-strategy works > - Linux-Desktops are a "possible way" for office work > but > - problems with interoperability needs answer > - users prejudice needs education / training / intelligence [Aufklärung] > (I think, this is always the same worldwide ...) > > But altogether it's very angrily. > > regards > Irmhild > > > You know how it is... They prostitute themselves to the first salesman who approaches them. You don't strengthen German (or any country) innovation by shipping all the money abroad the Atlantic Ocean... Regards, Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Accessibility: What's the story?
On 16/02/11 16:24, Cor Nouws wrote: > Hi Joanie, > > Joanmarie Diggs wrote (15-02-11 21:55) > >> A question I've been wondering, and that Orca users are wondering, and >> that the GNOME accessibility team is wondering is: What's the story with >> LibreOffice accessibility? In particular: >> >> * Is the fork so complete that fixes made in OOo will not even be seen >>-- or incorporated into LibreOffice even if they are seen? Or >> >> * Are things from OOo still being cherry picked for inclusion in >>LibreOffice -- or would be if they were pointed out via bugzilla? > > In general, yes. > > >> Also: >> >> * Is there an active a11y team and/or developers focused on a11y issues >>in LibreOffice? > > Sure there are people with a focus on this. > I am not sure if we actually can speak of 'a team'. > > > Regards, > Cor > > Well, I haven't had the time to reinstall my mate's computer with Orca and GNOME yet, but I'll get there. Once that's done, it should be possible to extract useful data for LibO. Sincerely, Olav Dahlum -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal for a more updated and modern standard icon theme.
On 08/10/10 17:29, todd rme wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Olav Dahlum wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I know a lot of you is emotionally attached to older icon themes as >> Tango, but isn't it about time we made some refreshing changes in the >> default theme? Like proposing a new theme altogether. But also taking >> into consideration that we'll need accessible ones conforming to >> accessibility standards. Keeping the classical ones possibly as >> extensions is also an idea. I'm no graphical wizard, so I'll just >> propose talented people to think this over, or the rest of us spreading >> the word. Fresh start and fresh look, with the classical interface >> intact, isn't such a bad idea is it? >> >> Regards, >> >> Olav Dahlum > This may be a silly question, by why do you need an icon theme at all? > Wouldn't you normally want to use the native icon theme if at all > possible? Or are there platforms that do not provide native themes? > > -Todd I might have misread your question a bit earlier. As you have seen down in the thread, the answer is both yes and no. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal for a more updated and modern standard icon theme.
On 08/10/10 20:37, Charles Marcus wrote: > On 2010-10-08 10:53 AM, Olav Dahlum wrote: >> I know a lot of you is emotionally attached to older icon themes as >> Tango, but isn't it about time we made some refreshing changes in >> the default theme? Like proposing a new theme altogether. But also >> taking into consideration that we'll need accessible ones conforming >> to accessibility standards. Keeping the classical ones possibly as >> extensions is also an idea. I'm no graphical wizard, so I'll just >> propose talented people to think this over, or the rest of us >> spreading the word. Fresh start and fresh look, with the classical >> interface intact, isn't such a bad idea is it? > A good place to start might be with the custom icon pack developed by > ed2 on the Issue Tracker for this open Issue (see the final version, the > past attachment in the list): > > http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112141 > > Most people (myself included) actually liked the new design, our gripe > was with the loss of the colors (I still cannot fathom how anyone would > have thought that was a good idea)... > Yep, the new menu icons and such is nice, but sadly just limited to these areas. Let's see what people can come up with to freshen up the gui in general. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal for a more updated and modern standard icon theme.
On 08/10/10 20:15, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi Olav, > > just a short note concerning the icons - yes, icons are a very visible > way of changing the look and the overall appearance of the office suite. > I also hope that we will be possible to have some coordinated effort to > improve them - e.g. why not partner with the Tango3 team? However, > please consider that we talk about thousands of icons that are > required ... > > Stella (Oracle) did a very good job in refreshing the icons in the last > years. And the invested a lot of effort ... she showed me (real) folders > of icons she printed to improve the underlying methaphors. This is > _real_ hard work, but maybe we have brave guys around? ;-) > > Cheers, > Christoph > Thanks for your reply. Yep, this is a massive effort, so partnering up is not a bad idea. Would love to see some of the work out there. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal for a more updated and modern standard icon theme.
On 08/10/10 17:29, todd rme wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Olav Dahlum wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I know a lot of you is emotionally attached to older icon themes as >> Tango, but isn't it about time we made some refreshing changes in the >> default theme? Like proposing a new theme altogether. But also taking >> into consideration that we'll need accessible ones conforming to >> accessibility standards. Keeping the classical ones possibly as >> extensions is also an idea. I'm no graphical wizard, so I'll just >> propose talented people to think this over, or the rest of us spreading >> the word. Fresh start and fresh look, with the classical interface >> intact, isn't such a bad idea is it? >> >> Regards, >> >> Olav Dahlum > This may be a silly question, by why do you need an icon theme at all? > Wouldn't you normally want to use the native icon theme if at all > possible? Or are there platforms that do not provide native themes? > > -Todd No, not silly at all. Depends on build parameters used and frankly a nice appearance in pictures etc won't hurt either. Olav -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Proposal for a more updated and modern standard icon theme.
Hi. I know a lot of you is emotionally attached to older icon themes as Tango, but isn't it about time we made some refreshing changes in the default theme? Like proposing a new theme altogether. But also taking into consideration that we'll need accessible ones conforming to accessibility standards. Keeping the classical ones possibly as extensions is also an idea. I'm no graphical wizard, so I'll just propose talented people to think this over, or the rest of us spreading the word. Fresh start and fresh look, with the classical interface intact, isn't such a bad idea is it? Regards, Olav Dahlum -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Proposal for a more updated and modern standard icon theme.
Hi. I know a lot of you is emotionally attached to older icon themes as Tango, but isn't it about time we made some refreshing changes in the default theme? Like proposing a new theme altogether. But also taking into consideration that we'll need accessible ones conforming to accessibility standards. Keeping the classical ones possibly as extensions is also an idea. I'm no graphical wizard, so I'll just propose talented people to think this over, or the rest of us spreading the word. Fresh start and fresh look, with the classical interface intact, isn't such a bad idea is it? Regards, Olav Dahlum -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [GENERAL] New name
On 03/10/10 08:21, Graham Lauder wrote: > On Sunday 03 Oct 2010 15:00:04 Antonio Olivares wrote: >> --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Ron House wrote: >>> From: Ron House >>> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] [GENERAL] New name >>> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org >>> Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 6:35 PM >>> >>> On 02/10/10 23:41, Mirek M. wrote: Well, "Open Office" was usually the spoken term used >>> to refer to >>> OpenOffice.org, and I'd say that's much easier to >>> pronounce than >>> LibreOffice. And it flows much more nicely. "LibreOffice" is hard to pronounce the French way >>> because there are two >>> (written) vowels next to each other. That's one thing >>> the French language >>> tries to avoid, by having special forms for the few >>> adjectives that come >>> before nouns that start with a vowel, like "bel", >>> "vieil", and "nouvel". So >>> LibreOffice doesn't really fit in with French >>> pronunciation either... >>> But you don't need professionals to know if a name >>> sounds good. I'd say >>> "Firefox" and "Inkscape" are great names, but I'm sure >>> those projects didn't >>> spend millions of dollars on coming up with a name. >>> And just look at how the >>> name "Google" came about: it was made up by a daughter >>> of a mathematician. >>> I liked it, too, at first, but I'm afraid that >>> pronunciation will be an >>> issue... Anyway, if nobody else thinks it's an issue, then it >>> should stay. >>> >>> Hmm, I joined the list to find out about compiling the >>> source, but this discussion took my interest. Apologies for >>> butting in late. >>> >>> Names are a hard thing, but one lesson I have learned in 30 >>> years of software development is: for widespread acceptance >>> a good name matters much more than good content. (Sad but >>> true.) >>> >>> Examples: "Object-oriented programming" : All the ideas >>> were there in Simula 67 (yes, that's 1967), but until the >>> cool name, OOP, was invented, no one took any notice. Then >>> "Extreme programming", "Open Office", "relational database" >>> (just a cool name for the bad idea of busting up all the >>> objects and losing the natural hierarchies). I could think >>> of dozens if I spent another ten minutes at it. >>> >>> Another key lesson: Insiders are very, VERY bad at picking >>> good names for their own 'children'. >>> >>> This is not meant as an insult, but the key movers and >>> shakers here, to whom we all owe the very existence of this >>> wonderful project, are most likely the least able to judge a >>> good name. >>> >>> And "LibreOffice" is a very poor name. >>> >>> Reasons: >>> >>> 1/ "Libre" is an insider's term. Ask any but a romance >>> language speaker or a free software supporter what it means. >>> Seriously, ask your mum, your boss, your students, the guy >>> serving at the local deli. The name is doomed to >>> misunderstanding and obscurity. Geeks will give you lots of >>> good feedback and you'll judge you got it right, but you >>> haven't, and you need to actually try the little experiment >>> I just gave if you want to see why. >>> >>> 2/ As Mirek explains, the pronunciation breaks the rules, >>> and showing disrespect for the rules of the linguistic >>> source of a term doesn't seem like a sensitive or a >>> politically wise thing to do. >>> >>> 3/ Also as Mirek points out, the adjacent vowels make the >>> word hard to roll off the tongue by a speaker of any >>> language. (It occurs to me as I write this that (2) and (3) >>> could be fixed by calling it "OfficeLibre".) >>> >>> Thus my only disagreement with Mirek's comments: "If nobody >>> else thinks it's an issue..." - the people here (again, with >>> apologies) are all self-selected for their in-depth >>> knowledge of the field, love of the software, love of the >>> ideals, and understanding of the jargon. All of us (myself >>> included) are almost certain to have a useless opinion on >>> what would actually be a good name. >>> >>> So, this is just a recommendation, but one which I know is >>> worth doubling the support base: Get a better name. Even >>> something pedestrian like "Free Office" would do much >>> better. And of course, if someone could conjure up that rare >>> animal, the magic name, well who knows...? >>> >>> And PS: Don't worry about having already announced the >>> name: it was stated it was temporary and it's a name >>> destined for forgetability in any case. >>> >>> -- Ron Hous >> I also am sorry to butt in this conversation. But IMHO, the name does no >> t matter. It is the software, the freedom to work with it. This softw >> are has been created before a major catastrophe occurs, i.e, Oracle a big c >> ompany controls|controlled OpenOffice.org as soon as it bought Sun Microsys >> tems. Now they have killed OpenSolaris, their next target would have bee >> n, ..., yes OpenOffice. Before that occured, some kind people have decid >> ed to protect the software before that happe
[tdf-discuss] Localized IRC channels.
Hi. I'm pondering with localized LibreOffice IRC channels for various purposes. Anyone else with the same thoughts? Regards Olav Dahlum -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
