Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy
On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 18:12 +, Michael Meeks wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 18:19 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > Please also make sure you have read the additional material here: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy and there: > > Well; having just granted use of "The Document Foundation" mark for > substantially un-modified binaries in the TM policy - we then forbid it > in this (not very tightly written) "Logo Policy" wiki page :-) That > doesn't seem so good to me. The current Logo page currently says: "Distributors of the substantially unmodified binaries are allowed to distribute the product, so they distribute it with the TDF subline inside the product. If you're unsure of what is meant by "substantially unmodified binaries" please refer to the clause 1 of the Permitted Use section in the TDF Trademark Policy." which seems to bring the Logo Policy back into sync with the Trademark policy, i.e. we don't have to change the splashscreen if we don't substantially modify the binaries. Guess should hold off on voting until the final Monday round, but Trademark and Logo policies are looking reasonable to me. C. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy
Hi Charles, thanks for the effort - besides the stuff already mentioned ... some less "legal", but rather "understandability" related comments: * Understandability: Most of the tdf mail addresses refer to mailing lists, but "le...@documentfoundation.org" is "just" a normal mail address. This difference might be important for some people - would it be helpful to say "... send an email to the non-public address le...@documentfoundation.org"? * Usability: Most of the text doesn't use wiki capabilities like headings or second outline level enumeration (e.g. no TOC is added by the wiki that might make finding the desired information more quickly). * Usability: Once the text is finalized, we may ask to add the logo examples - the logo graphics are already in the wiki, so why not use them? Concerning the usability items; I can work on this once the text is approved ... or (just ping me), I can try to improve things tomorrow evening - if it is needed before any final approval. Am Dienstag, den 01.03.2011, 18:19 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: > *** SC Members and their deputies*** > > Please vote +1 or -1 in order to approve the trademark policy (text is > here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TradeMark_Policy) +1 (having in mind the comments above and below, and by the others) > Please also make sure you have read the additional material here: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy and there: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources_for_external_use Another small comment - I've asked on the design list whether "external use" is a proper name for that. There is an ongoing discussion how to name that, and whether to separate the different logos for TDF / community use. So please be aware that we might (ask to) change this naming in the near future ... Charles, thanks for your work! Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy
Hi guys, On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 18:19 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Please vote +1 or -1 in order to approve the trademark policy (text is > here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TradeMark_Policy) The wiki page appears to be missing a link on 'here' in this sentence: "While this document covers the topics related to Trademark Policy, you may find more practical information about our logos and how to use them here. " There is also a line-wrapping issue around the dozens of "Bob"s in the document: 3. To factually refer to The Document Foundation itself, its products, or its protocols. For instance, you may use “Bob's Addons for LibreOffice” or “Bob's forum for LibreOffice” but not “Bob's LibreOffice”. 4.When referring to LibreOffice There should be a new-line / break between these two. I'm concerned about the sheer volume of 'Bob' waffle and exemplary material that got randomly added to the most important clauses 1 to 4. in the text there. Can you refresh the recolleciton of those ? IMHO less is often more in legalese. The non-permitted uses are still crisp, despite a single example at the bottom. Points 3 and 4 were initially: [snip] 3. To factually refer to the [NAME] project itself, its products, or its protocols. 4. When referring to [NAME] software that is not substantially unmodified, to say that the such software is a "derivative of" or "based on" [NAME]. [/snip] I would prefer to separate the examples at the bottom of that section, if we truly need them (?). > Please also make sure you have read the additional material here: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy and there: Well; having just granted use of "The Document Foundation" mark for substantially un-modified binaries in the TM policy - we then forbid it in this (not very tightly written) "Logo Policy" wiki page :-) That doesn't seem so good to me. It looks (to me) as if we need two TM policies, one for "The Document Foundation" - which is rather more restrictive, and one for "LibreOffice" which is much less so. I'm sorry I hadn't quite got what we were trying to do with this until today, but it looks a tad odd to say: you can use it, but then you can't in another page :-) Can we not simply subsume the Logo policy into an example of a closer association than actually exists (point 2 of non-permitted use) and make it clear that we reserve the TDF Trademark/brand to apply to goods produced by TDF - and as such cannot be generally used by anyone (?). HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy
*** SC Members and their deputies*** Please vote +1 or -1 in order to approve the trademark policy (text is here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TradeMark_Policy) Please also make sure you have read the additional material here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy and there: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources_for_external_use I would like to close this vote in about 24 hours from now. Thank you, -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
