Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Yes Povilas, The only problem is with pronunciation. that is one of the two main problems. The other is meaning - Ubuntu managed to sell the meaning of their name and it was in a way inspirational - and so in the end very powerful. Paul On 14 October 2010 07:48, Povilas Kanapickas povilas...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO 'Liberty Office' and 'Office Freedom' associates with liberation and similar things too much. A lot of people won't like that name. I think LibreOffice is just fine. The only problem is with pronunciation. Regards, Povilas On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Eric Jon Renaud eren...@collab.net wrote: I would suggest that LibreOffice would work fine for International English. I guarantee that more people who don't already understand both and 'gratis' will understand (or not) 'Libre' just as well as 'gratis'. Perhaps 'Liberty Office' or 'Office Freedom'. (I make no claim to these names and don't know if they're previously copyrighted, copylefted or under any sort of license) Regards, Eric On Oct 13, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Paul A Norman paul.a.nor...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Stefan, I'm not hooked on any partiacular name just two main principlpes. 1) That the International English name be easy on the tongue for English speakers and with that, that thought be given to language group names in the same way 2) The name mean something for the users (more than for the developers if necessary) Incorporating in the name principles of philosophy of development - - or project administration, will unfrotunately not be of apparent importance or help to potential general new users. Names that 'sell the product' or 'introduce the product' from a user's perspective would be very helpful in helping increase the uptake of the office suite amongst as yet unreached people. Paul On 13 October 2010 21:57, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Paul A Norman schrieb: Romance Languages: LibreOffice International English: FreeOffice Don´t use free! This would cause misunderstanding: FreeOffice -- free office -- gratis office The product is not (only / necessarily) free of charge (freeware). It´s free in sense of liberty. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Paul A Norman schrieb: Romance Languages: LibreOffice International English: FreeOffice Don´t use free! This would cause misunderstanding: FreeOffice -- free office -- gratis office The product is not (only / necessarily) free of charge (freeware). It´s free in sense of liberty. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Hi All, Completely agree with Paul Norman. Being an Indian myself, I completely agree with his insight. I also completely agree with his suggestion: Why not languagae Group Names?] Romance Languages: LibreOfficeInternational English: FreeOffice Sorry Can't give you any input on 'Mandarin: Office-免费' Hope our Chinese friends can help. Best Regards, Paul -Original Message- From: Paul A Norman paul.a.nor...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:03 am Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice It would be nice to have something that works really well inInternational English, and that sounded good to Asians as well.Chinese friends inform me that they sometimes have troubole withwords/part words that end in RMy Indian friends for the most part would have no trouble saying thename (though it may mean little to them having no immeadiate Englishcognate) - most of their languages and dialects are very rich insounds that many other ethnicities can barely even distinguish.I speak some French and Spanish and it rolls of my toungue beautifullyespecially in Spanish.I really believe that this will prove more important than some haveyet thought.Corporations have been known to invest millions on this one thng alone- I kid you not!Serious research/thought would be really worthwhile - esp if there issomeone on the list with relevent background.Why not languagae Group Names?Romance Languages: LibreOfficeInternational English: FreeOfficeMandarin: Office-免费PaulOn 13 October 2010 10:28, Friedrich Strohmaierdamokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de wrote: Hi Christoph, *, Christoph Noack schrieb:Am Dienstag, den 12.10.2010, 23:01 +0200 schrieb Friedrich Strohmaier: Finally there will be several flavors of pronunciation - and good moments if they meat each other! :o)) I hope this was just a typo ;-))) Oh, yes and indeed one of my top ten! :o))) Thanks for proof reading that attentive! Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Ansprechpartner / contact person for the PrOOo-Box german language best Office Suite ever and more on CD/DVD http://prooo-box.org -- footer updated on 2010-10-07 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/-- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgall messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
I would suggest that LibreOffice would work fine for International English. I guarantee that more people who don't already understand both and 'gratis' will understand (or not) 'Libre' just as well as 'gratis'. Perhaps 'Liberty Office' or 'Office Freedom'. (I make no claim to these names and don't know if they're previously copyrighted, copylefted or under any sort of license) Regards, Eric On Oct 13, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Paul A Norman paul.a.nor...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Stefan, I'm not hooked on any partiacular name just two main principlpes. 1) That the International English name be easy on the tongue for English speakers and with that, that thought be given to language group names in the same way 2) The name mean something for the users (more than for the developers if necessary) Incorporating in the name principles of philosophy of development - - or project administration, will unfrotunately not be of apparent importance or help to potential general new users. Names that 'sell the product' or 'introduce the product' from a user's perspective would be very helpful in helping increase the uptake of the office suite amongst as yet unreached people. Paul On 13 October 2010 21:57, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Paul A Norman schrieb: Romance Languages: LibreOffice International English: FreeOffice Don´t use free! This would cause misunderstanding: FreeOffice -- free office -- gratis office The product is not (only / necessarily) free of charge (freeware). It´s free in sense of liberty. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ N�r��y隊[hv+ iv�.���~��u�b�z+� e��,j�ʋ�zwm��b�X����br\���b��Z���z-m�^��^t܆+ޱ��j��y�a��� 0v�.���~��u�b�z+��b��?v+ ��?
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
IMHO 'Liberty Office' and 'Office Freedom' associates with liberation and similar things too much. A lot of people won't like that name. I think LibreOffice is just fine. The only problem is with pronunciation. Regards, Povilas On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Eric Jon Renaud eren...@collab.net wrote: I would suggest that LibreOffice would work fine for International English. I guarantee that more people who don't already understand both and 'gratis' will understand (or not) 'Libre' just as well as 'gratis'. Perhaps 'Liberty Office' or 'Office Freedom'. (I make no claim to these names and don't know if they're previously copyrighted, copylefted or under any sort of license) Regards, Eric On Oct 13, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Paul A Norman paul.a.nor...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Stefan, I'm not hooked on any partiacular name just two main principlpes. 1) That the International English name be easy on the tongue for English speakers and with that, that thought be given to language group names in the same way 2) The name mean something for the users (more than for the developers if necessary) Incorporating in the name principles of philosophy of development - - or project administration, will unfrotunately not be of apparent importance or help to potential general new users. Names that 'sell the product' or 'introduce the product' from a user's perspective would be very helpful in helping increase the uptake of the office suite amongst as yet unreached people. Paul On 13 October 2010 21:57, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Paul A Norman schrieb: Romance Languages: LibreOffice International English: FreeOffice Don´t use free! This would cause misunderstanding: FreeOffice -- free office -- gratis office The product is not (only / necessarily) free of charge (freeware). It´s free in sense of liberty. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Jon, I really agree with you. Its not about how the 'name' works for any of us, but for potential users. As bad as it may sound, we need to think as if we were actually relying on marketing it as a paid product (which I am not advocating) but still need to think about market reactions as commercial people would - and even better!!! Paul On 12 October 2010 09:36, Jon Hamkins hamk...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: On 10/07/2010 04:16 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: If I have to explain to someone what LibreOffice means, it's easy: Libre means free, as in liberty or freedom. If I have to explain what OpenOffice.org means, it's a much bigger problem, even without the complication of the .org part. Most people have never heard of open source or open standards or open anything else. This post just doesn't resonate with me at all. To explain what LibreOffice means, first I have to explain what libre means, because it isn't an English word. It's as easy to explain as any other foreign word, I suppose, but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement. On the other hand, I don't have to explain OpenOffice.org, because it's already in the lexicon -- 300 million people have already downloaded it. For those that haven't, they at least already know what open means, and it's easy to explain how that relates to the software. Also, people who know about open source instantly recognize from the name its similarity to other open tools such as openssh, openldap, openvpn, etc. -- in the same way that the prefix gnu indicates something about gnuplot, gnucash, and gnupg. A good chunk of the posts on this mailing list, and in comments to stories on TDF announcement, are about the choice of the name, how to pronounce it, etc. Slashdot comments were particularly harsh, and fairly universal, in their dislike for the name: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/09/28/143204/OpenOfficeorg-Declares-Independence-From-Oracle-Becomes-LibreOffice http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1801996cid=33722340 http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1801996cid=33725276 I'm not going to let my disappointment in the name damper my enthusiasm of the project, which is strong. I'm talking up the project to friends and family, even. Others are in the same boat. This shouldn't be confused with *liking* the name. Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Le 2010-10-12 07:54, Charles Marcus a écrit : On 2010-10-12 5:36 AM, Marc Paré wrote: My personal opinion is that Libre is more representative of the understanding behind the LibreOffice philosophy, but that OpenOffice at this point does have the marketing advantage of the brand. As I said, I like the new name. I would only like OpenOffice better if it didn't need the .org tacked on after it (yes I know why it does). Nevertheless, I think this thread should be declared dead, and this entire discussion should be memorialized on a web page that can be linked to whenever anyone brings it up again... Thanks Charles. The note was really meant for Jon, but OK. Marc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Hi Stefan, 2010/10/12 Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org Hi Jon, Jon Hamkins schrieb: To explain what LibreOffice means, first I have to explain what libre means, because it isn't an English word. Well, LibreOffice isn´t an English product. It´s made by an international community from all over the world. And it´s made for users all over the world. I am sure, it will be available in an amazing number of different languages. So, why do you think things would be easier, if the name of the product was English? It's as easy to explain as any other foreign word What do you mean by foreign? I think, open is a foreign word to at least as many people as libre is. Well, I'm a Czech and my native language is Czech. The problem I have with LibreOffice is that it's just hard to pronounce. I'm not very good at saying the French r, so I try to say LibreOffice with an English accent, which doesn't sound very good either. LibreOffice with a Czech accent sounds even worse. It's not a problem of foreign words: OpenOffice is easy to pronounce for Czechs, just like e-mail, Firefox, Google, Linux, Inkscape, and other English-based names. But LibreOffice is just a bit too complex, mainly due to the French r and the different possible pronunciations of Libre.o the French r and the different possible pronunciations of Libre. On the other hand, I don't have to explain OpenOffice.org, because it's already in the lexicon -- 300 million people have already downloaded it. For those that haven't, they at least already know what open means, and it's easy to explain how that relates to the software. Yes, but now the software is not (only) open any more, but has become free (in sense of liberty). And IMO it´s a very good way to demonstrate this transition by the changing of the name from OpenOffice to LibreOffice. Stefan. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Hi Mirek, *, Mirek M. schrieb: Well, I'm a Czech and my native language is Czech. The problem I have with LibreOffice is that it's just hard to pronounce. I'm not very good at saying the French r, so I try to say LibreOffice with an English accent, which doesn't sound very good either. LibreOffice with a Czech accent sounds even worse. It's not necessarily bad, if the Name has some hurdles with pronunciation. As we see in this and other threads: this gets people in touch. ;o)) Finally there will be several flavors of pronunciation - and good moments if they meat each other! :o)) Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Ansprechpartner / contact person for the PrOOo-Box german language best Office Suite ever and more on CD/DVD http://prooo-box.org -- footer updated on 2010-10-07 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Hi Friedrich! Am Dienstag, den 12.10.2010, 23:01 +0200 schrieb Friedrich Strohmaier: Finally there will be several flavors of pronunciation - and good moments if they meat each other! :o)) I hope this was just a typo ;-))) Cheers, Christoph -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
It would be nice to have something that works really well in International English, and that sounded good to Asians as well. Chinese friends inform me that they sometimes have troubole with words/part words that end in R My Indian friends for the most part would have no trouble saying the name (though it may mean little to them having no immeadiate English cognate) - most of their languages and dialects are very rich in sounds that many other ethnicities can barely even distinguish. I speak some French and Spanish and it rolls of my toungue beautifully especially in Spanish. I really believe that this will prove more important than some have yet thought. Corporations have been known to invest millions on this one thng alone - I kid you not! Serious research/thought would be really worthwhile - esp if there is someone on the list with relevent background. Why not languagae Group Names? Romance Languages: LibreOffice International English: FreeOffice Mandarin: Office-免费 Paul On 13 October 2010 10:28, Friedrich Strohmaier damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de wrote: Hi Christoph, *, Christoph Noack schrieb: Am Dienstag, den 12.10.2010, 23:01 +0200 schrieb Friedrich Strohmaier: Finally there will be several flavors of pronunciation - and good moments if they meat each other! :o)) I hope this was just a typo ;-))) Oh, yes and indeed one of my top ten! :o))) Thanks for proof reading that attentive! Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Ansprechpartner / contact person for the PrOOo-Box german language best Office Suite ever and more on CD/DVD http://prooo-box.org -- footer updated on 2010-10-07 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Hi Guys, If people are having trouble with pronouncing Libre then I propose we fondly call LibreOffice LO. What do you Guys think of LO? Best regards, Paul PS Read below to see what I mean: http://www.computerworld.com/comments/node/9188338#comment-665135 In my country (NL) the name Submitted by Karen on September 29, 2010 - 03:28. In my country (NL) the name of success is English. Thus all great products get English names. So why name it Libre? Are they insensitive for marketing or is ideological? I say: come on guys, come up with a decent name! Submitted by Anonymous on October 2, 2010 - 16:01. Time to broaden your horizons Karen Ask the Canadians Americans, they respect the fact that it is nice to know more than one language. The way its going Spanish may soon be the first language in USA. Etymology. From Spanish and French libre (“free, having liberty, at liberty”) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary:libre How about another example: Ubuntu... Heard of it only recently but millions use it benefit from it. That's also free as in 'Libre' reply | report this comment -Original Message- From: Christoph Noack christoph.no...@documentfoundation.org To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:59 pm Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice Hi Jean!Am Freitag, den 08.10.2010, 06:28 +1000 schrieb Jean Hollis Weber: It's okay with me! I wrote a blog post too (in addition to my note to the list), but it's nice to be quoted in someone else's blog. :-) http://www.taming-openoffice-org.com/newsite/?p13 Sorry, I didn't notice that ... maybe you are not listed (yet) on theLibO planet? (hint hint hint).Cheers,Christoph-- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.orgall messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Le 2010-10-08 14:53, goldf...@aol.in a écrit : Hi Guys, If people are having trouble with pronouncing Libre then I propose we fondly call LibreOffice LO. What do you Guys think of LO? Best regards, Paul Most are using LibO for now. Marc Note: Please bottom post on the mailist. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 20:29 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Jean! Am Freitag, den 08.10.2010, 06:28 +1000 schrieb Jean Hollis Weber: It's okay with me! I wrote a blog post too (in addition to my note to the list), but it's nice to be quoted in someone else's blog. :-) http://www.taming-openoffice-org.com/newsite/?p=1213 Sorry, I didn't notice that ... maybe you are not listed (yet) on the LibO planet? (hint hint hint). Cheers, Christoph Christoph, How do I get listed? Just ask here to be added? Or is there someplace on the page that I missed? :-) http://www.taming-openoffice-org.com/newsite/?feed=rss2 --Jean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
On 7 oct. 10, at 20:41, Stefan Weigel wrote: Jean Hollis Weber schrieb: If I have to explain to someone what LibreOffice means, it's easy: Libre means free, as in liberty or freedom. YES! :-) Formerly, the office was opened, now it´s freed. ;-) Exactly. That is indeed a very good name. Jean-Christophe Helary fun: http://mac4translators.blogspot.com work: http://www.doublet.jp (ja/en fr) tweets: http://twitter.com/brandelune -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
On 2010-10-07 7:16 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: If I have to explain to someone what LibreOffice means, it's easy: Libre means free, as in liberty or freedom. snip It's a good name. +10 -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:00:15 -0300 Martín Olivera martin.oliv...@gmail.com wrote: I like the name very much, because it enhances i18n, it is a more universal name, and it shows that multilingualism is important and global multicultural cooperation is possible, or better, LibreOffice is a fact of these both issues became reality That's the way I feel about it, too. The only problem I see applies for all names we might choose for the project: Ordinary people have just started to recognise the brand OpenOffice, it might take them years to adapt to a new name. But, in general, I really like LibreOffice and do not feel it needs to be changed. Klaus -- Klaus Doblmann B.A. - FSF member #7570 Web: http://www.dokla.net - meine neue Seite (derzeit im Aufbau) Blog: http://straightrazorguy.net PGP-Key: http://dokla.net/pgp_key.asc http://twitter.com/klausdoblmann A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Hi Klaus, please don't mind that I respond to your mail ;-) Am Donnerstag, den 07.10.2010, 18:42 +0200 schrieb Klaus Doblmann: Ordinary people have just started to recognise the brand OpenOffice, it might take them years to adapt to a new name. Some minor correction - either OpenOffice.org, or Open Office. Here we see the difficulties with brands in general. So at the moment we do have two different brands (but similar naming), and an .org that gets omitted most of the time. To me, it depends on us - the community - to communicate that new brand. May it be the press, trade fairs or even personal contact with our friends (you know, most of the people using OOo get it recommended by friends or colleagues). The good thing is, the community values didn't change, only the name. So it might cause effort, but it's doable. And for me - personally - it's worth the effort (disclaimer: if there is no way to use OOo). Cheers, Christoph -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:26:21 +0200 Christoph Noack christoph.no...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi Klaus, please don't mind that I respond to your mail ;-) Am Donnerstag, den 07.10.2010, 18:42 +0200 schrieb Klaus Doblmann: Ordinary people have just started to recognise the brand OpenOffice, it might take them years to adapt to a new name. Some minor correction - either OpenOffice.org, or Open Office. Here we see the difficulties with brands in general. So at the moment we do have two different brands (but similar naming), and an .org that gets omitted most of the time. Hi Christoph, I was referring to it as OpenOffice because that's what ordinary people on the street call it. That's also why I wouldn't call Libreoffice Libreoffice.org as it might create confusion and saying dot org or Punkt org is something most people won't do and don't want to do because it's - for most - not clear to pronounce. To me, it depends on us - the community - to communicate that new brand. May it be the press, trade fairs or even personal contact with our friends (you know, most of the people using OOo get it recommended by friends or colleagues). Definitely! I've already switched a few people over - that's how it's done. But it'll be difficult to get - especially the mainstream- media behind the new concept (and abandon OOo more or less) but that will also be the effort of us as a community. Im currently studying to get my master's degree in media and communications (in the Bavarian city Passau) so that would definitely be a field where I could/would help out - if, as you said, there's no way to continue using the name OOo. cheers, Klaus -- Klaus Doblmann B.A. - FSF member #7570 Web: http://www.dokla.net - meine neue Seite (derzeit im Aufbau) Blog: http://straightrazorguy.net PGP-Key: http://dokla.net/pgp_key.asc http://twitter.com/klausdoblmann A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
Hi Klaus, all! Before I forget it: I really had to smile today when I read some of your messages - starting with the one by Jean. So I took some and compiled a blog posting [1]; I hope that's okay to you. Am Donnerstag, den 07.10.2010, 19:48 +0200 schrieb Klaus Doblmann: On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:26:21 +0200 Christoph Noack christoph.no...@documentfoundation.org wrote: [...] Am Donnerstag, den 07.10.2010, 18:42 +0200 schrieb Klaus Doblmann: Ordinary people have just started to recognise the brand OpenOffice, it might take them years to adapt to a new name. Some minor correction - either OpenOffice.org, or Open Office. Here we see the difficulties with brands in general. So at the moment we do have two different brands (but similar naming), and an .org that gets omitted most of the time. Hi Christoph, I was referring to it as OpenOffice because that's what ordinary people on the street call it. That's also why I wouldn't call Libreoffice Libreoffice.org as it might create confusion and saying dot org or Punkt org is something most people won't do and don't want to do because it's - for most - not clear to pronounce. You addressed a good point here - people skip the .org and therefore it is a less good name with regard to a product name. Moreover, even the press missed/omitted the .org part. However, when the name was chosen, there was a reason for this. Luckily, there is no need to add a .org to LibreOffice (although it is a real .org product *g*). To me, it depends on us - the community - to communicate that new brand. May it be the press, trade fairs or even personal contact with our friends (you know, most of the people using OOo get it recommended by friends or colleagues). Definitely! I've already switched a few people over - that's how it's done. But it'll be difficult to get - especially the mainstream- media behind the new concept (and abandon OOo more or less) but that will also be the effort of us as a community. Im currently studying to get my master's degree in media and communications (in the Bavarian city Passau) so that would definitely be a field where I could/would help out - if, as you said, there's no way to continue using the name OOo. Wow! First, the media and communications (that's really interesting to me, by the way), and second, that you are living in Passau. Do you have any connections to the rest of the German community. As far as I know, they are rather active in the south. Back to your great offer - did you already subscribe to the marketing list? My mail program tells me that you are on l10n and tdf-discuss ... so don't miss it :-) Enjoy your evening! Christoph [1] http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/thats-what-others-say-i-like-name.html also on http://planet.documentfoundation.org/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I like the name LibreOffice
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 20:39 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Klaus, all! Before I forget it: I really had to smile today when I read some of your messages - starting with the one by Jean. So I took some and compiled a blog posting [1]; I hope that's okay to you. [1] http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/thats-what-others-say-i-like-name.html also on http://planet.documentfoundation.org/ It's okay with me! I wrote a blog post too (in addition to my note to the list), but it's nice to be quoted in someone else's blog. :-) http://www.taming-openoffice-org.com/newsite/?p=1213 --Jean -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
