Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-15 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:04:55 +0100, Samuel Mehrbrodt 
 wrote:
> Am Montag, den 13.12.2010, 17:23 -0600 schrieb Sebastian Spaeth:
> > Should there be? As far as I know did no developer suggest or actively
> > discuss any name change. If it should be considered, I'd propose this as
> > a discussion item for the next Steering committee meeting.

> That would be good. I don't know if it makes sense to suggest specific
> name changes on this list or if that is something that the committee has
> to decide.

Oh, I didn't mean that *I* am going to propose anything, I am wuite
happy with the names and I doubt changing them will be seriously
considered at the current stage.

So please take this as a "If you want an official statement, I would
propose this as an agenda item for an SC meeting, *if I were you* :-).

But as I said, I dont believe any official statement would do more than
restate the status-quo.

Sebastian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-14 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt
Am Montag, den 13.12.2010, 17:23 -0600 schrieb Sebastian Spaeth:
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:35:36 +0100, Samuel Mehrbrodt 
>  wrote:
> > Now, will there be an official statement from the LibreOffice leaders
> > about a name change?
> 
> Should there be? As far as I know did no developer suggest or actively
> discuss any name change. If it should be considered, I'd propose this as
> a discussion item for the next Steering committee meeting.
> 
> Sebastian


That would be good. I don't know if it makes sense to suggest specific
name changes on this list or if that is something that the committee has
to decide.

Thanks
Samuel


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-14 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-12-13 5:35 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote:
> Now, will there be an official statement from the LibreOffice leaders
> about a name change?

Please stop this - it has been decided, there will be no name change
with the sole exception possibly being that *if* Oracle decided to
transfer the OOo name/trademarks etc to TDF, then the  name might revert
to OOo - but other than that, for better or worse, the name is decided...

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-13 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:35:36 +0100, Samuel Mehrbrodt 
 wrote:
> Now, will there be an official statement from the LibreOffice leaders
> about a name change?

Should there be? As far as I know did no developer suggest or actively
discuss any name change. If it should be considered, I'd propose this as
a discussion item for the next Steering committee meeting.

Sebastian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-13 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt
Now, will there be an official statement from the LibreOffice leaders
about a name change?

Am Montag, den 13.12.2010, 08:44 +0100 schrieb Jonathan Aquilina:
> That is the intention in the end if im not mistaken. Correct me if im wrong.
> 
> On 12/13/2010 12:03 AM, Valter Mura wrote:
> > In data martedì 07 dicembre 2010 18:27:35, Mirek M. ha scritto:
> >
> >> 2010/12/7 Samuel Mehrbrodt
> >>
> >>> Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name (Calligra)
> >>> and they also renamed some of the Applications. "KWord" became "Words",
> >>> "KSpread" became "Tables" and "KPresenter" was renamed to "Stages".
> >>>
> >>> I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered for the
> >>> LibreOffice Applications. The point is that I don't really like the
> >>> current names. I'm not a Name Designer, but Writer, Calc and Impress
> >>> don't really sound good in my ears and I would even say that most people
> >>> using OpenOffice would not know the names of the Applications they are
> >>> using, only that it's OpenOffice.
> >>>
> >>> If LibreOffice changed the names of the Applications shipping, that
> >>> might also help people to differentiate between OpenOffice and
> >>> LibreOffice in Future.
> >>>
> >>> Here a comparison of the names of text processing, spreadsheet and
> >>> presentation program of six Office Suites:
> >>>
> >>> MS Office: Word, Excel, PowerPoint
> >>> Apple iWork: Pages, Numbers, Keynote
> >>> Calligra(former KOffice): Words, Tables, Stages
> >>> Softmaker Office: Textmaker, Planmaker, Presentations
> >>> Corel WordPerfect Office: WordPerfect, Quattro Pro, Presentations
> >>> OpenOffice.org: Writer, Calc, Impress
> >>>
> >>> I think MS Office, iWork and now Calligra have the best names for their
> >>> applications. It's easy to spell and easy to remember.
> >>> I would like to hear what everyone else is thinking about changing names
> >>> for LibreOffice applications.
> > I like the idea, it could be an idea, above all to achieve more personality.
> > AFAIK, currently LIbreOffice could be considered simply a "clone" of OOo, 
> > only
> > with some cosmetic changes.
> >
> > Starting form the base, OOo, LIbò should become an autonomous, unique 
> > software
> > being, and the names are very, very important.
> >
> > Ciao
> 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-12 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

That is the intention in the end if im not mistaken. Correct me if im wrong.

On 12/13/2010 12:03 AM, Valter Mura wrote:

In data martedì 07 dicembre 2010 18:27:35, Mirek M. ha scritto:


2010/12/7 Samuel Mehrbrodt


Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name (Calligra)
and they also renamed some of the Applications. "KWord" became "Words",
"KSpread" became "Tables" and "KPresenter" was renamed to "Stages".

I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered for the
LibreOffice Applications. The point is that I don't really like the
current names. I'm not a Name Designer, but Writer, Calc and Impress
don't really sound good in my ears and I would even say that most people
using OpenOffice would not know the names of the Applications they are
using, only that it's OpenOffice.

If LibreOffice changed the names of the Applications shipping, that
might also help people to differentiate between OpenOffice and
LibreOffice in Future.

Here a comparison of the names of text processing, spreadsheet and
presentation program of six Office Suites:

MS Office: Word, Excel, PowerPoint
Apple iWork: Pages, Numbers, Keynote
Calligra(former KOffice): Words, Tables, Stages
Softmaker Office: Textmaker, Planmaker, Presentations
Corel WordPerfect Office: WordPerfect, Quattro Pro, Presentations
OpenOffice.org: Writer, Calc, Impress

I think MS Office, iWork and now Calligra have the best names for their
applications. It's easy to spell and easy to remember.
I would like to hear what everyone else is thinking about changing names
for LibreOffice applications.

I like the idea, it could be an idea, above all to achieve more personality.
AFAIK, currently LIbreOffice could be considered simply a "clone" of OOo, only
with some cosmetic changes.

Starting form the base, OOo, LIbò should become an autonomous, unique software
being, and the names are very, very important.

Ciao



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-12 Thread Valter Mura
In data martedì 07 dicembre 2010 18:27:35, Mirek M. ha scritto:

> 2010/12/7 Samuel Mehrbrodt 
> 
> > Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name (Calligra)
> > and they also renamed some of the Applications. "KWord" became "Words",
> > "KSpread" became "Tables" and "KPresenter" was renamed to "Stages".
> > 
> > I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered for the
> > LibreOffice Applications. The point is that I don't really like the
> > current names. I'm not a Name Designer, but Writer, Calc and Impress
> > don't really sound good in my ears and I would even say that most people
> > using OpenOffice would not know the names of the Applications they are
> > using, only that it's OpenOffice.
> > 
> > If LibreOffice changed the names of the Applications shipping, that
> > might also help people to differentiate between OpenOffice and
> > LibreOffice in Future.
> > 
> > Here a comparison of the names of text processing, spreadsheet and
> > presentation program of six Office Suites:
> > 
> > MS Office: Word, Excel, PowerPoint
> > Apple iWork: Pages, Numbers, Keynote
> > Calligra(former KOffice): Words, Tables, Stages
> > Softmaker Office: Textmaker, Planmaker, Presentations
> > Corel WordPerfect Office: WordPerfect, Quattro Pro, Presentations
> > OpenOffice.org: Writer, Calc, Impress
> > 
> > I think MS Office, iWork and now Calligra have the best names for their
> > applications. It's easy to spell and easy to remember.
> > I would like to hear what everyone else is thinking about changing names
> > for LibreOffice applications.

I like the idea, it could be an idea, above all to achieve more personality.
AFAIK, currently LIbreOffice could be considered simply a "clone" of OOo, only 
with some cosmetic changes.

Starting form the base, OOo, LIbò should become an autonomous, unique software 
being, and the names are very, very important.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Zaphod Feeblejocks
> +1
> I also don't like the current names much either. IMHO, they don't sound very
> good and they don't describe the apps well either. "Calc" makes the app
> sound like it's an advanced calculator, not a spreadsheet app, "Impress" is
> too generic, and "Writer" sounds like a specialized tool for writers. I do
> like the names for "Draw", "Base", and "Formula", though.

A fair point, but rebranding doesn't always help - it can cause confusion.  
Plenty of programs 
use names that are well-known, whether they always make sense or not.

e.g

'Word' does more than just words.
'WordPerfect' can make mistakes.
'WordPro' can be used by amateurs too.

'Excel' does not always excel.
'1-2-3' can manage big numbers too.

'PowerPoint' has nothing to do with AC electrical outlets.

'Photoshop' is about more than photographs.
'GIMP' can be used by normal people too.
'Paint.NET' does not require a brush.

'Firefox' has nothing to do with burning wild mammals.
'Chrome' is not an element.

'Scribus' is not just for midieval monks who copy manuscripts.
'Page Maker' isn't just for people who manufacture paper.

'Windows' isn't made of glass.
'Unix' can be used by anyone, not just eunuchs.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Zaphod Feeblejocks
 
> With regard to the original question: are there any surveys or data 
> that confirm that the names for Writer, Calc and Impress need to be 
> improved? (I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case for Impress; 
> I don't see a problem for the others.)

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Inge Wallin
On Tuesday, December 07, 2010 17:20:16 Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote:
> Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name (Calligra)
> and they also renamed some of the Applications. "KWord" became "Words",
> "KSpread" became "Tables" and "KPresenter" was renamed to "Stages".
> 
> I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered for the
> LibreOffice Applications. The point is that I don't really like the
> current names. I'm not a Name Designer, but Writer, Calc and Impress
> don't really sound good in my ears and I would even say that most people
> using OpenOffice would not know the names of the Applications they are
> using, only that it's OpenOffice.
> 
> If LibreOffice changed the names of the Applications shipping, that
> might also help people to differentiate between OpenOffice and
> LibreOffice in Future.
> 
> Here a comparison of the names of text processing, spreadsheet and
> presentation program of six Office Suites:
> 
> MS Office: Word, Excel, PowerPoint
> Apple iWork: Pages, Numbers, Keynote
> Calligra(former KOffice): Words, Tables, Stages

Stage, not Stages :-)

> Softmaker Office: Textmaker, Planmaker, Presentations
> Corel WordPerfect Office: WordPerfect, Quattro Pro, Presentations
> OpenOffice.org: Writer, Calc, Impress
> 
> I think MS Office, iWork and now Calligra have the best names for their
> applications. It's easy to spell and easy to remember.
> I would like to hear what everyone else is thinking about changing names
> for LibreOffice applications.
> 
> Samuel M.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Christophe Strobbe

Hi,

At 18:50 7/12/2010, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Rainer Bielefeld schrieb:
> [...]  but switch from Sxxx.exe to Lxxx.exe (LWRITER.EXEm ...)

But if that might cause any trouble (for example Extensions 
referencing to current names of .exe files) I would leave all as it is.


I agree. I am involved in the development of three OpenOffice.org 
extensions: odt2daisy, odt2braille and a third one that will be 
released in early 2011. odt2daisy and odt2braille (both available on 
SourceForge) currently work with LibreOffice and I would like to 
preserve compatibility.


With regard to the original question: are there any surveys or data 
that confirm that the names for Writer, Calc and Impress need to be 
improved? (I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case for Impress; 
I don't see a problem for the others.)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Rainer Bielefeld schrieb:

[...]  but switch from Sxxx.exe to Lxxx.exe (LWRITER.EXEm ...)



But if that might cause any trouble (for example Extensions referencing 
to current names of .exe files) I would leave all as it is.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Mirek M.
2010/12/7 Samuel Mehrbrodt 

> Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name (Calligra)
> and they also renamed some of the Applications. "KWord" became "Words",
> "KSpread" became "Tables" and "KPresenter" was renamed to "Stages".
>
> I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered for the
> LibreOffice Applications. The point is that I don't really like the
> current names. I'm not a Name Designer, but Writer, Calc and Impress
> don't really sound good in my ears and I would even say that most people
> using OpenOffice would not know the names of the Applications they are
> using, only that it's OpenOffice.
>
> If LibreOffice changed the names of the Applications shipping, that
> might also help people to differentiate between OpenOffice and
> LibreOffice in Future.
>
> Here a comparison of the names of text processing, spreadsheet and
> presentation program of six Office Suites:
>
> MS Office: Word, Excel, PowerPoint
> Apple iWork: Pages, Numbers, Keynote
> Calligra(former KOffice): Words, Tables, Stages
> Softmaker Office: Textmaker, Planmaker, Presentations
> Corel WordPerfect Office: WordPerfect, Quattro Pro, Presentations
> OpenOffice.org: Writer, Calc, Impress
>
> I think MS Office, iWork and now Calligra have the best names for their
> applications. It's easy to spell and easy to remember.
> I would like to hear what everyone else is thinking about changing names
> for LibreOffice applications.
>

+1
I also don't like the current names much either. IMHO, they don't sound very
good and they don't describe the apps well either. "Calc" makes the app
sound like it's an advanced calculator, not a spreadsheet app, "Impress" is
too generic, and "Writer" sounds like a specialized tool for writers. I do
like the names for "Draw", "Base", and "Formula", though.

>
> Samuel M.
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Carl Symons
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Steven Shelton  wrote:
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> On 12/7/2010 11:40 AM, Eduardo Moreno wrote:
>> El 07/12/10 10:20, Samuel Mehrbrodt escribió:
>>> Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name
>>> (Calligra) and they also renamed some of the Applications.
>>> "KWord" became "Words", "KSpread" became "Tables" and
>>> "KPresenter" was renamed to "Stages".
>>>

The KOffice name changes were _necessary_ for organizational reasons.
The changes--names and more--provoked some valuable dynamics amongst
the entire Calligra team. One minor change--KPresenter was renamed
Stage (singular). Taken together, the Calligra application names
communicate some interesting perspectives on what the applications do.

In the case of LibreOffice, changing the names of applications would
be an unnecessary handicap. Some part of the value of the names is the
continuity with OpenOffice. I like the idea of an OOo fork that is
driven by an independent, free team rather than a greedy megalomaniac.

>>> I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered
>>> for the LibreOffice Applications.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I like the names of the applications.
>
>
> I do, too, and I think they are consistent, descriptive (what the heck
> does "stages" mean?), and well-known throughout the community of
> users. I don't see a need to change simply for the sake of change.
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Frank Esposito schrieb:

I think the present names are good, but I could also see a need to
differentiate from OO,


+1

I would leave the name-core, but switch from Sxxx.exe to Lxxx.exe 
(LWRITER.EXEm ...)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Ledger Consulting
I think Frank has a good point.On 12/7/2010 10:55 AM, Frank Esposito wrote:I 
think the present names are good, but I could also see a need to
differentiate from OO, especially if the plan is to rewrite LO and
take a very different path, thus making it a significantly different
application than its parent OO.
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Barbara Duprey

On 12/7/2010 10:40 AM, Eduardo Moreno wrote:

El 07/12/10 10:20, Samuel Mehrbrodt escribió:

Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name (Calligra)
and they also renamed some of the Applications. "KWord" became "Words",
"KSpread" became "Tables" and "KPresenter" was renamed to "Stages".

I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered for the
LibreOffice Applications. The point is that I don't really like the
current names. I'm not a Name Designer, but Writer, Calc and Impress
don't really sound good in my ears and I would even say that most people
using OpenOffice would not know the names of the Applications they are
using, only that it's OpenOffice.

If LibreOffice changed the names of the Applications shipping, that
might also help people to differentiate between OpenOffice and
LibreOffice in Future.

Here a comparison of the names of text processing, spreadsheet and
presentation program of six Office Suites:

MS Office: Word, Excel, PowerPoint
Apple iWork: Pages, Numbers, Keynote
Calligra(former KOffice): Words, Tables, Stages
Softmaker Office: Textmaker, Planmaker, Presentations
Corel WordPerfect Office: WordPerfect, Quattro Pro, Presentations
OpenOffice.org: Writer, Calc, Impress

I think MS Office, iWork and now Calligra have the best names for their
applications. It's easy to spell and easy to remember.
I would like to hear what everyone else is thinking about changing names
for LibreOffice applications.

Samuel M.



I like the names of the applications.


I think what we have is fine -- maybe Write for Writer (the others are verbs, and a lot of users 
seem to think of it like that) and Present for Impress (seems more direct). PS -- I think some of 
the ones listed above are pretty awful, especially the Calligra Tables and Stages,


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Frank Esposito
I think the present names are good, but I could also see a need to
differentiate from OO, especially if the plan is to rewrite LO and
take a very different path, thus making it a significantly different
application than its parent OO.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Steven Shelton

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On 12/7/2010 11:40 AM, Eduardo Moreno wrote:
> El 07/12/10 10:20, Samuel Mehrbrodt escribió:
>> Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name
>> (Calligra) and they also renamed some of the Applications.
>> "KWord" became "Words", "KSpread" became "Tables" and
>> "KPresenter" was renamed to "Stages".
>>
>> I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered
>> for the LibreOffice Applications.
>>
>>
>>
> I like the names of the applications.


I do, too, and I think they are consistent, descriptive (what the heck
does "stages" mean?), and well-known throughout the community of
users. I don't see a need to change simply for the sake of change.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Eduardo Moreno

El 07/12/10 10:20, Samuel Mehrbrodt escribió:

Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name (Calligra)
and they also renamed some of the Applications. "KWord" became "Words",
"KSpread" became "Tables" and "KPresenter" was renamed to "Stages".

I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered for the
LibreOffice Applications. The point is that I don't really like the
current names. I'm not a Name Designer, but Writer, Calc and Impress
don't really sound good in my ears and I would even say that most people
using OpenOffice would not know the names of the Applications they are
using, only that it's OpenOffice.

If LibreOffice changed the names of the Applications shipping, that
might also help people to differentiate between OpenOffice and
LibreOffice in Future.

Here a comparison of the names of text processing, spreadsheet and
presentation program of six Office Suites:

MS Office: Word, Excel, PowerPoint
Apple iWork: Pages, Numbers, Keynote
Calligra(former KOffice): Words, Tables, Stages
Softmaker Office: Textmaker, Planmaker, Presentations
Corel WordPerfect Office: WordPerfect, Quattro Pro, Presentations
OpenOffice.org: Writer, Calc, Impress

I think MS Office, iWork and now Calligra have the best names for their
applications. It's easy to spell and easy to remember.
I would like to hear what everyone else is thinking about changing names
for LibreOffice applications.

Samuel M.


   

I like the names of the applications.



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[tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-07 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt
Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name (Calligra)
and they also renamed some of the Applications. "KWord" became "Words",
"KSpread" became "Tables" and "KPresenter" was renamed to "Stages".

I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered for the
LibreOffice Applications. The point is that I don't really like the
current names. I'm not a Name Designer, but Writer, Calc and Impress
don't really sound good in my ears and I would even say that most people
using OpenOffice would not know the names of the Applications they are
using, only that it's OpenOffice.

If LibreOffice changed the names of the Applications shipping, that
might also help people to differentiate between OpenOffice and
LibreOffice in Future.

Here a comparison of the names of text processing, spreadsheet and
presentation program of six Office Suites:

MS Office: Word, Excel, PowerPoint
Apple iWork: Pages, Numbers, Keynote
Calligra(former KOffice): Words, Tables, Stages
Softmaker Office: Textmaker, Planmaker, Presentations
Corel WordPerfect Office: WordPerfect, Quattro Pro, Presentations
OpenOffice.org: Writer, Calc, Impress

I think MS Office, iWork and now Calligra have the best names for their
applications. It's easy to spell and easy to remember.
I would like to hear what everyone else is thinking about changing names
for LibreOffice applications.

Samuel M.


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