Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
Hi, thanks for the feedback! We discussed this topic again during our last call. Dividing the donations might be legally problematic, as well as adding some fee for handling. We are currently evaluating that, but in the meantime, Thorsten has sent this proposal to the steering-discuss list for voting: http://www.mail-archive.com/steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg01660.html In case you have comments, please discuss it *here* on this list, and let's only do SC discussion and voting on steering-discuss. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On 09/20/2011 11:07 PM, drew wrote: I would certainly not object to doing such a thing - for a first thought on what that would mean: Perhaps the new BOD could pay a one time handling fee of 5% (I took the number from my understanding of what SPI charges for this) for all monies collected by FrODev into the TDF account at FrODev up to the time that account is closed and the TDF books and accounts are opened. I think this is a very wise suggestion, and I think we should take it into careful consideration. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 17:48 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Wearing my FrODeV hat, being responsible for the interest of it and its > members, I can only support the idea of helping TDF as long as FrODeV > does not severely suffer from that - and right now, I want to find > solutions to stop that suffering. > Hi, Perhaps I should of changed subject lines - One possibility, which I know has been mentioned is the allowance of a handling fee to FrODev for the monies collected on behalf of the Document Foundation. I would certainly not object to doing such a thing - for a first thought on what that would mean: Perhaps the new BOD could pay a one time handling fee of 5% (I took the number from my understanding of what SPI charges for this) for all monies collected by FrODev into the TDF account at FrODev up to the time that account is closed and the TDF books and accounts are opened. I think that would be somewhere in the 5,000 euro range - to date. anyway - just one guys opinion :) //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
Hi Drew, Am 20.09.2011 19:53, schrieb drew: (lot's of usefull comment :) ) To be clear though - in general I do not think having direct donation requests on LibreOffice pages for external organizations is wise, though I do think TDF/LibreOffice pages should include links to external organization websites where appropriate ( and IMO should be fairly liberal in defining appropriate ) after all I think, we (means you an me, not speaking for others here) have quite the same ideas on the matter. So thanks for clarification. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 17:48 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > > drew wrote on 2011-09-20 16:46: > > > Just on this last point - to clarify - I would be in favor of links to > > the FrODev.org website from pages on any of the TDF/LibreOffice > > websites. I would be in favor of a button (mechanism) on the FrODev.org > > websites for donations specifically for FrODev and exclusive from TDF. > > FrODeV indeed mentions the TDF account on their donations page: > http://www.frodev.org/spenden (at the bottom) > > > I would not be in favor of placing those donate buttons on > > TDF/LibreOffice web pages directly. > > Why? Hi, I'll pass on answering why, directly, for a moment. Just now I've finished listening to the latest SC meeting recording and the discussion regarding this point. First, I'm afraid my words are coming across more sternly then they were intended. I am in no way desires to see FrODev suffer as a result of their good works. back to the subject: FrODev is about to be broke, unless we help funnel some of the donation activity to the FrODev account. [which is how I hear it] so - my opinion would now be. Following perhaps, but changing slightly the comment from Micheal regarding two buttons on the German specific pages, I would be in favor of changing the German download page (and others TBD) such that the user could specify a percentage of the donation go to FrODev. (50/50 sounds good) I would recommend to make this quite obvious (ask the Designers in here IMO) and so design it with the clear goal of getting as many of the users as possible to select it. Following a comment from Florian in the SC meeting, to paraphrase: 'to at least do so till the discussions about how to integrate with NGOs overall takes place in Paris' - I would not be against doing this across the site in general, so English download page would be fine with me - then whatever text is used to explain the purpose of giving funds to FrODev that it simply states this is a special case situation with a known period of time. (A cut of date) Yes it still sets a precedence, however yes FrODev is a special organization with respect to TDF at this time. - this all would seem to fit well along with the other good point brought out in the meeting regarding archiving of the challenge page, with creation of a replacement for ongoing use. To be clear though - in general I do not think having direct donation requests on LibreOffice pages for external organizations is wise, though I do think TDF/LibreOffice pages should include links to external organization websites where appropriate ( and IMO should be fairly liberal in defining appropriate ) Best wishes, //drew final thought, if the SC did decide to do this across the site (or in English at least) I would recommend someone put together a very nice English page on the FrODev site covering who/what the association does, and as part of the 'text' on the download pages add a link to this new page. (not saying your current pages are not nice already..*smille*) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
Hi, drew wrote on 2011-09-20 16:46: Just on this last point - to clarify - I would be in favor of links to the FrODev.org website from pages on any of the TDF/LibreOffice websites. I would be in favor of a button (mechanism) on the FrODev.org websites for donations specifically for FrODev and exclusive from TDF. FrODeV indeed mentions the TDF account on their donations page: http://www.frodev.org/spenden (at the bottom) I would not be in favor of placing those donate buttons on TDF/LibreOffice web pages directly. Why? I must say that I am a bit concerned that there seems to be a severe lack of understanding about FrODeV's role. FrODeV initially jumped in because no other entity was available to act as interim legal entity, manage finances and hold assets like domain names and trademarks. We tried that with a few entities, but it was impossible. So, FrODeV was available and supported without any bureaucracy. I am not saying FrODeV should be treated special beacuse of this, or people have to be very thankful and thus generous with FrODeV's requests. What I am saying is that due to the fact that FrODeV offered their support, they now are in a rather complicated situation with regards to donations. Of course, nobody could foresee that, and of course, the time it takes for the legal entity to be set-up also contributes to that. However, all other nonprofits have it easier, and FrODeV is only in the situation because it offered help. What I would indeed expect is people not letting FrODeV suffer, so to say, for their support, but rather work on a solution. Wearing my FrODeV hat, being responsible for the interest of it and its members, I can only support the idea of helping TDF as long as FrODeV does not severely suffer from that - and right now, I want to find solutions to stop that suffering. I would not be in favor of handing out literature with LibreOffice branding that asked for FrODeve specific donations. When FrODeV was the publisher, accountant, bank and legal entity behind all of that, and runs out of money because of the publishing entity it set up, things are rather different... Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
Hi Drew, drew wrote on 2011-09-20 17:06: Uh - no - what I said was - Pay the TDF bills from the TDF account and stop paying TDF bills from the FrODev specific (normal) account. Why else was there a separate TDF account created, if not to use it just this way? that's what we already do. Anything that directly relates to TDF, like domains, hosting, trademarks and the like, is being paid from the TDF account. However, that does not solve the problem - all donations go to the TDF account and are therefore bound for TDF. Still, FrODeV has their own fees to pay, their own events to organize, and due the lack of incoming donations, which is a result of the (actually positive) amount of donations for TDF, this gets more and more complicated I think FrODeV is in a rather different situation than any other NGO. Donors who want to do something good for LibreOffice in Germany donate money to the TDF account, as they want the Foundation in Germany. While I assume that other associations will also have less donations because of TDF being so prominent, I doubt they have zero donations. So, wearing my FrODeV hat, and representing the association and its members, I must find options to limit that impact. Otherwise FrODeV will help setting up TDF, but then run into severe financial problems itself - and that's something, as member of the board of directors, which I cannot support, so we need to find solutions. I would assume (note that word) that the first order of business for the BOD after TDF becomes legal would be to take control of all TDF financial matters, and that at this point FrODev (and it's members) would cease to have any official role with TDF accounting. That's my understanding, indeed. All legal affairs concerning TDF, including assets like domain names and trademarks, and the accounting, will be handed over to TDF. In the end, we have two separate entities, each of them responsible for their business. Of course, there will be strong links, but legally, they are separate. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 15:19 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi Drew, > > Disclaimer: I am wearing a double hat here, since I am in the board of > directors at FrODeV, so I have to consider both sides (TDF and FrODeV). I think most people already knew that. > > drew wrote on 2011-09-20 14:51: > > > My understanding was that FrODev.org was accepting donations that could > > be earmarked for TDF - if it has turned out that 100$ of said donations > > were so earmarked, well that is hard on FrODev.org sure - the > > association (FrODev.org) should address that internally. > > legally, all money is donated to FrODeV, because it is the legal entity > capable of accepting donations. SPI is another entity collecting > donations for TDF. > > Since donations are legally bound to certain reasons, FrODeV has set-up > a separate account "for TDF". Quotation marks, because at the moment, > TDF = FrODeV in legal terms, so both accounts belong to FrODeV. However, > two accounts make it easier to track the donations for one specific > reason, as we are legally bound. > > The problem is: Nearly 100% of the donations FrODeV as legal entity > received in the last months are for "the TDF". That means, that for > other activities of FrODeV, like their own web site, event > participation, production of merchandise and the like. > > > If FrODev.org is still paying bills for TDF our of the FrODev.org > > working accounts I would ask Why and suggest they stop. > > You'd better not ask this question, since otherwise, they may indeed > stop. ;-) > > > This is important in my mind - TDF becoming a legal entity is, I hear, > > getting close... so are you saying that it is not in shape to stand on > > it's own feet, financially, at this point? > > This doesn't solve the problem. The money needs to belong to one entity, > someone needs to register domains and trademarks etc., and this entity > currently is FrODeV. TDF cannot stand on its own feet as long as it is > no legal entity. > > So, if you ask FrODeV to stop, that means that *ALL* activities would > need to be shut down *IMMEDIATELY*, until another organisation taking > care 1. of donations/handling money and 2. acting as interim legal > entity is found. Uh - no - what I said was - Pay the TDF bills from the TDF account and stop paying TDF bills from the FrODev specific (normal) account. Why else was there a separate TDF account created, if not to use it just this way? > > > Is FrODev.org to continue some financial role after TDF is legal? > > There are no fixed plans yet. FrODeV and TDF will be to separate > entities and each has to find their positioning. Sure, FrODeV might > donate to TDF and vice-versa, but this is a topic for the future. OK I was imprecise in that question. I would assume (note that word) that the first order of business for the BOD after TDF becomes legal would be to take control of all TDF financial matters, and that at this point FrODev (and it's members) would cease to have any official role with TDF accounting. Am I mistaken to assume this? Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 16:09 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: > > > > > It seems to me that there are numerous places in the current website > > where a link to the FrODev.org website could be integrated and I would > > be all for that - but the actual pitch for a donation, for FrODev.org, > > should IMO be at that site. > > > Again - seems to be my lack of English language - I don't get if you > after all agree to have the link at the donation page, or that (althoug you > have concerns) you would agree, that the German download page would be > the correct place to go? Hello André Just on this last point - to clarify - I would be in favor of links to the FrODev.org website from pages on any of the TDF/LibreOffice websites. I would be in favor of a button (mechanism) on the FrODev.org websites for donations specifically for FrODev and exclusive from TDF. I would not be in favor of placing those donate buttons on TDF/LibreOffice web pages directly. Following that train of thought then: I would be in favor of individuals working a trade show booth for LibreOffice in Germany also handing out literature showcasing FrODev and such literature asking for a donation directly to FrODev and exclusive of TDF. I would not be in favor of handing out literature with LibreOffice branding that asked for FrODeve specific donations. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
Hi, Original-Nachricht > Von: drew > An: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Betreff: Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page > > > > I know the topic about local NGOs is still to be discussed, I think we should keep in mind, that other NGOs might have the same problems and requirements - without this, some of the (my) answers would hardly have any sense ... > > My understanding was that FrODev.org was accepting donations that could > be earmarked for TDF - if it has turned out that 100$ of said donations > were so earmarked, well that is hard on FrODev.org sure - the > association (FrODev.org) should address that internally. The quite simple rule for FroDev is, that the money gets spent for the purpose that is mentioned in the donation (as long as it is in line with general FroDev mission). If we would "adress that internally" what should we do about it? Take x% of the donations for FrODev? Besides the fact that this would 8likely) be illegal in German law I would not go for that, as the money rally should be used for TDF if it was intended for TDF. > > If FrODev.org is still paying bills for TDF our of the FrODev.org > working accounts I would ask Why and suggest they stop. FrODev is paying TDF bills from the money that was donated to support TDF. All this money is tracked and accounted separately. Apart from that FrODev is still sponsoring several activities within Germany (e.g. QA weekend, people's participation in local events, local marketing materials ...). While these activities support LibreOffice (and as such TDF) these are local activities - and would hardly get any priority for TDF as a global foundation. > > This is important in my mind - TDF becoming a legal entity is, I hear, > getting close... so are you saying that it is not in shape to stand on > it's own feet, financially, at this point? > > Is FrODev.org to continue some financial role after TDF is legal? Of course it will - it will still support local activities, just as other NGOs will do. > > > > This should at least be an interim solution until we worked out a > > concept for local NGOs. Well - I'd propose the solution as a general one for other NGOs. The problem is of course to define a certain level of collaboration between local NGOs and TDF. > > > Among other concerns (which I've edited out of this email), I am worried > about the precedent this sets. I don't get the message here. Do you mean that once we allowed this for FrODev, we will face lots of NGOs requesting donation links at the local download pages? If yes - I'd suggest to make the current link an exclusive one (given the fact, FrODev actually is not just the "TDF bank account" FroDev members also do the accounting, prepared lots of paperwork, FroDev is supposed to be the actual founding entity and FroDev is going to donate 10% of the foundation's captial stock - in addition to the donations that have been received for TDF). This decision should be taken under obligation (for TDF SC) to work on general rules how to define collaboration with local NGOs and entities. > > It seems to me that there are numerous places in the current website > where a link to the FrODev.org website could be integrated and I would > be all for that - but the actual pitch for a donation, for FrODev.org, > should IMO be at that site. Again - seems to be my lack of English language - I don't get if you after all agree to have the link at the donation page, or that (althoug you have concerns) you would agree, that the German download page would be the correct place to go? Thanks and regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
...that should of course read: That means, that for other activities of FrODeV, like their own web site, event participation, production of merchandise and the like, no money is available, and several FrODeV activities had to be cancelled or postponed this year. Florian Effenberger wrote on 2011-09-20 15:19: The problem is: Nearly 100% of the donations FrODeV as legal entity received in the last months are for "the TDF". That means, that for other activities of FrODeV, like their own web site, event participation, production of merchandise and the like. -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
Hi Drew, Disclaimer: I am wearing a double hat here, since I am in the board of directors at FrODeV, so I have to consider both sides (TDF and FrODeV). drew wrote on 2011-09-20 14:51: My understanding was that FrODev.org was accepting donations that could be earmarked for TDF - if it has turned out that 100$ of said donations were so earmarked, well that is hard on FrODev.org sure - the association (FrODev.org) should address that internally. legally, all money is donated to FrODeV, because it is the legal entity capable of accepting donations. SPI is another entity collecting donations for TDF. Since donations are legally bound to certain reasons, FrODeV has set-up a separate account "for TDF". Quotation marks, because at the moment, TDF = FrODeV in legal terms, so both accounts belong to FrODeV. However, two accounts make it easier to track the donations for one specific reason, as we are legally bound. The problem is: Nearly 100% of the donations FrODeV as legal entity received in the last months are for "the TDF". That means, that for other activities of FrODeV, like their own web site, event participation, production of merchandise and the like. If FrODev.org is still paying bills for TDF our of the FrODev.org working accounts I would ask Why and suggest they stop. You'd better not ask this question, since otherwise, they may indeed stop. ;-) This is important in my mind - TDF becoming a legal entity is, I hear, getting close... so are you saying that it is not in shape to stand on it's own feet, financially, at this point? This doesn't solve the problem. The money needs to belong to one entity, someone needs to register domains and trademarks etc., and this entity currently is FrODeV. TDF cannot stand on its own feet as long as it is no legal entity. So, if you ask FrODeV to stop, that means that *ALL* activities would need to be shut down *IMMEDIATELY*, until another organisation taking care 1. of donations/handling money and 2. acting as interim legal entity is found. Is FrODev.org to continue some financial role after TDF is legal? There are no fixed plans yet. FrODeV and TDF will be to separate entities and each has to find their positioning. Sure, FrODeV might donate to TDF and vice-versa, but this is a topic for the future. Among other concerns (which I've edited out of this email), I am worried about the precedent this sets. It seems to me that there are numerous places in the current website where a link to the FrODev.org website could be integrated and I would be all for that - but the actual pitch for a donation, for FrODev.org, should IMO be at that site. I think most people are not aware what FrODeV does and how important this is for us. Again: We have an association acting as interim legal entity. Without this association, *NOTHING* of what we do here at the moment would be possible. Due to the tremendous success of TDF, this association has a problem - all donations coming in are bound to TDF, since many people do not know the difference. That's what we from FrODeV want to address, and therefore, we would like to add a donation button to (only) the German websites, so people are actually aware of that association. Sure, this is an exception that others might ask for as well. However, people should keep in mind that FrODeV has a somewhat special role at the moment. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
Hello Florian On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 10:01 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hello, > > I know the topic about local NGOs is still to be discussed, but since > the German situation is a bit different to other countries, I would like > to raise this specific topic now, after a discussion with the German > association's board. > > As you are all aware, the German association currently acts as interim > legal entity for TDF. Due to that, *all* donations that normally have > been donated to the German association, were donated to the TDF account. > In a nutshell: In the last three months, the German association did not > receive *any* donation, at least not via PayPal (and if any donation via > bank account, then only a small amount). My understanding was that FrODev.org was accepting donations that could be earmarked for TDF - if it has turned out that 100$ of said donations were so earmarked, well that is hard on FrODev.org sure - the association (FrODev.org) should address that internally. > However, still it does a lot > that is not paid by the TDF account, so I would like to propose the > following: If FrODev.org is still paying bills for TDF our of the FrODev.org working accounts I would ask Why and suggest they stop. This is important in my mind - TDF becoming a legal entity is, I hear, getting close... so are you saying that it is not in shape to stand on it's own feet, financially, at this point? Is FrODev.org to continue some financial role after TDF is legal? > > I would like to add a donate button to the German (and only to these) > download, extensions and template website. Donations done by these > buttons will *not* go to TDF, but rather to the German association directly. > > This should at least be an interim solution until we worked out a > concept for local NGOs. > > What do you think? > Among other concerns (which I've edited out of this email), I am worried about the precedent this sets. It seems to me that there are numerous places in the current website where a link to the FrODev.org website could be integrated and I would be all for that - but the actual pitch for a donation, for FrODev.org, should IMO be at that site. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
Hi, Tony Pursell wrote on 2011-09-16 11:57: If that is so, I am worried. I made a donation to the TDF via PayPal. Here are the details: legally, TDF and Freies Office Deutschland e.V., formerly OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V., are the same. The issue is that we have a separate account (donati...@documentfoundation.org) for donations going to TDF, which in the future will be a separate entity next to the association. The German association itself (pay...@frodev.org) did not receive any donations, because TDF is so famous and receives all donations. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On 16 September 2011 09:01, Florian Effenberger < flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: [/snip] > that normally have been donated to the German association, were donated to > the TDF account. In a nutshell: In the last three months, the German > association did not receive *any* donation, at least not via PayPal (and if > any donation > If that is so, I am worried. I made a donation to the TDF via PayPal. Here are the details: -- Dear Tony Pursell, This email confirms that you have donated £25.00 GBP to OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. (pay...@documentfoundation.org) using PayPal. This credit card transaction will appear on your bill as "PAYPAL *TDF". Donation Details Confirmation number: 4DM79913EH521520K Donation amount: £25.00 GBP Total: £25.00 GBP Purpose: The Document Foundation Contributor: Tony Pursell Recipient information Donations coordinator: OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. Contact email: pay...@documentfoundation.org --- Maybe something needs investigating... Tony Pursell -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
Hello, I know the topic about local NGOs is still to be discussed, but since the German situation is a bit different to other countries, I would like to raise this specific topic now, after a discussion with the German association's board. As you are all aware, the German association currently acts as interim legal entity for TDF. Due to that, *all* donations that normally have been donated to the German association, were donated to the TDF account. In a nutshell: In the last three months, the German association did not receive *any* donation, at least not via PayPal (and if any donation via bank account, then only a small amount). However, still it does a lot that is not paid by the TDF account, so I would like to propose the following: I would like to add a donate button to the German (and only to these) download, extensions and template website. Donations done by these buttons will *not* go to TDF, but rather to the German association directly. This should at least be an interim solution until we worked out a concept for local NGOs. What do you think? Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
