Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Why not make a simple solution in the meantime?

Only tell the user there is a new version, and a link to the new version.
Obviously the installable of the new version should be able to automatically
de-install the old version. That should be actually very easy, don't you
think so?

Cheers!

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hello Jaime,


 Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:49:03 +0100,
 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :

  Hello all,
 
  for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for Windows  Mac
  LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no sense?
 
  My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's completely
  Automatic, or they only get an info pop window, offering a one click
  update.
 
  Cheers!
 
  Jaime


 It would be an excellent idea, and many thought about it, but the
 question is how feasible it is. I'm sure it is possible but it requires
 quite a lot of resources, time, etc. So don't expect it in the 3.4...

 best,
 Charles.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hi,

Actually that does already exist, if I'm not misstaken, except it does
not do anything with uninstall the old version. But there's an alert on
the desktop that notifies the user when there's a new version (same
with extensions btw).

Best,
Charles.


Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:08:58 +0100,
Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Why not make a simple solution in the meantime?
 
 Only tell the user there is a new version, and a link to the new
 version. Obviously the installable of the new version should be able
 to automatically de-install the old version. That should be actually
 very easy, don't you think so?
 
 Cheers!
 
 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09, Charles-H. Schulz 
 charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 
  Hello Jaime,
 
 
  Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:49:03 +0100,
  Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
   Hello all,
  
   for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for Windows  Mac
   LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no sense?
  
   My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's completely
   Automatic, or they only get an info pop window, offering a one
   click update.
  
   Cheers!
  
   Jaime
 
 
  It would be an excellent idea, and many thought about it, but the
  question is how feasible it is. I'm sure it is possible but it
  requires quite a lot of resources, time, etc. So don't expect it in
  the 3.4...
 
  best,
  Charles.
 
 
 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread Jaime R. Garza
I have LibreOffice 3.3.0 rc3 and I was not notified of the rc4.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:17, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hi,

 Actually that does already exist, if I'm not misstaken, except it does
 not do anything with uninstall the old version. But there's an alert on
 the desktop that notifies the user when there's a new version (same
 with extensions btw).

 Best,
 Charles.


 Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:08:58 +0100,
 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :

  Why not make a simple solution in the meantime?
 
  Only tell the user there is a new version, and a link to the new
  version. Obviously the installable of the new version should be able
  to automatically de-install the old version. That should be actually
  very easy, don't you think so?
 
  Cheers!
 
  On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09, Charles-H. Schulz 
  charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 
   Hello Jaime,
  
  
   Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:49:03 +0100,
   Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
  
Hello all,
   
for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for Windows  Mac
LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no sense?
   
My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's completely
Automatic, or they only get an info pop window, offering a one
click update.
   
Cheers!
   
Jaime
  
  
   It would be an excellent idea, and many thought about it, but the
   question is how feasible it is. I'm sure it is possible but it
   requires quite a lot of resources, time, etc. So don't expect it in
   the 3.4...
  
   best,
   Charles.
  
  
  
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
It does work only for stable releases (unless we dumped that update
component???) . Anyway, if you have any ideas on the implementation of
such a feature, you're welcome to upload a patch :-)

Best,

Charles.


Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:51:36 +0100,
Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :

 I have LibreOffice 3.3.0 rc3 and I was not notified of the rc4.
 
 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:17, Charles-H. Schulz 
 charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Actually that does already exist, if I'm not misstaken, except it
  does not do anything with uninstall the old version. But there's an
  alert on the desktop that notifies the user when there's a new
  version (same with extensions btw).
 
  Best,
  Charles.
 
 
  Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:08:58 +0100,
  Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
   Why not make a simple solution in the meantime?
  
   Only tell the user there is a new version, and a link to the new
   version. Obviously the installable of the new version should be
   able to automatically de-install the old version. That should be
   actually very easy, don't you think so?
  
   Cheers!
  
   On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09, Charles-H. Schulz 
   charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
  
Hello Jaime,
   
   
Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:49:03 +0100,
Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
   
 Hello all,

 for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for Windows 
 Mac LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no sense?

 My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's
 completely Automatic, or they only get an info pop window,
 offering a one click update.

 Cheers!

 Jaime
   
   
It would be an excellent idea, and many thought about it, but
the question is how feasible it is. I'm sure it is possible but
it requires quite a lot of resources, time, etc. So don't
expect it in the 3.4...
   
best,
Charles.
   
   
   
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread Jaime R. Garza
I would love to, if I could! Maybe I'll have to learn how to make extensions
and probably make one.

If it's already implemented for the stable releases, why not add it to the
RCs too, as optional?

Cheers!

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:06, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 It does work only for stable releases (unless we dumped that update
 component???) . Anyway, if you have any ideas on the implementation of
 such a feature, you're welcome to upload a patch :-)

 Best,

 Charles.


 Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:51:36 +0100,
 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :

  I have LibreOffice 3.3.0 rc3 and I was not notified of the rc4.
 
  On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:17, Charles-H. Schulz 
  charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 
   Hi,
  
   Actually that does already exist, if I'm not misstaken, except it
   does not do anything with uninstall the old version. But there's an
   alert on the desktop that notifies the user when there's a new
   version (same with extensions btw).
  
   Best,
   Charles.
  
  
   Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:08:58 +0100,
   Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
  
Why not make a simple solution in the meantime?
   
Only tell the user there is a new version, and a link to the new
version. Obviously the installable of the new version should be
able to automatically de-install the old version. That should be
actually very easy, don't you think so?
   
Cheers!
   
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
   
 Hello Jaime,


 Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:49:03 +0100,
 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :

  Hello all,
 
  for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for Windows 
  Mac LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no sense?
 
  My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's
  completely Automatic, or they only get an info pop window,
  offering a one click update.
 
  Cheers!
 
  Jaime


 It would be an excellent idea, and many thought about it, but
 the question is how feasible it is. I'm sure it is possible but
 it requires quite a lot of resources, time, etc. So don't
 expect it in the 3.4...

 best,
 Charles.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
So, we're talking about some discussions that took place during the
OpenOffice time, a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away :-)
I don't remember why we had chosen not to implement it for betas/RC ,
there was supposedly a good reason for that but I completely forgot
about it. Let me ask anyway. 

@Mike: apps that notifies users when another software can be updated
exist a lot on the mac but here Jaime was mentioning one specific
feature of LibreOffice that notifies the user directly and, possibly,
updates LibO by itself.

best,
Charles.

Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:06:46 +0100,
Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :

 I would love to, if I could! Maybe I'll have to learn how to make
 extensions and probably make one.
 
 If it's already implemented for the stable releases, why not add it
 to the RCs too, as optional?
 
 Cheers!
 
 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:06, Charles-H. Schulz 
 charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 
  It does work only for stable releases (unless we dumped that update
  component???) . Anyway, if you have any ideas on the implementation
  of such a feature, you're welcome to upload a patch :-)
 
  Best,
 
  Charles.
 
 
  Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:51:36 +0100,
  Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
   I have LibreOffice 3.3.0 rc3 and I was not notified of the rc4.
  
   On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:17, Charles-H. Schulz 
   charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
  
Hi,
   
Actually that does already exist, if I'm not misstaken, except
it does not do anything with uninstall the old version. But
there's an alert on the desktop that notifies the user when
there's a new version (same with extensions btw).
   
Best,
Charles.
   
   
Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:08:58 +0100,
Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
   
 Why not make a simple solution in the meantime?

 Only tell the user there is a new version, and a link to the
 new version. Obviously the installable of the new version
 should be able to automatically de-install the old version.
 That should be actually very easy, don't you think so?

 Cheers!

 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09, Charles-H. Schulz 
 charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

  Hello Jaime,
 
 
  Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:49:03 +0100,
  Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
   Hello all,
  
   for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for
   Windows  Mac LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no
   sense?
  
   My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's
   completely Automatic, or they only get an info pop window,
   offering a one click update.
  
   Cheers!
  
   Jaime
 
 
  It would be an excellent idea, and many thought about it,
  but the question is how feasible it is. I'm sure it is
  possible but it requires quite a lot of resources, time,
  etc. So don't expect it in the 3.4...
 
  best,
  Charles.
 
 
 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread mail
Hey guys,

I thought that directly. But i wanted to put the information out there,
the principe and software exists as Plugin and could be easy implemented
on a Ported version.

 Thanks Charles,

 That's exactly my point, specifically, I have to use Windows at work and
 would like to be notified from new versions, at home I have no problem
 since
 my Linux desktop check the repository for new updates.

 Obviously if I have a stable version installed, I don't expect to be
 notified for RCs, but if I have an RC version installed I would expect to
 be
 notified for any new versions.

 Cheers!

 Jaime

 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:41, Charles-H. Schulz 
 charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 So, we're talking about some discussions that took place during the
 OpenOffice time, a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away :-)
 I don't remember why we had chosen not to implement it for betas/RC ,
 there was supposedly a good reason for that but I completely forgot
 about it. Let me ask anyway.

 @Mike: apps that notifies users when another software can be updated
 exist a lot on the mac but here Jaime was mentioning one specific
 feature of LibreOffice that notifies the user directly and, possibly,
 updates LibO by itself.

 best,
 Charles.

 Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:06:46 +0100,
 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :

  I would love to, if I could! Maybe I'll have to learn how to make
  extensions and probably make one.
 
  If it's already implemented for the stable releases, why not add it
  to the RCs too, as optional?
 
  Cheers!
 
  On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:06, Charles-H. Schulz 
  charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 
   It does work only for stable releases (unless we dumped that update
   component???) . Anyway, if you have any ideas on the implementation
   of such a feature, you're welcome to upload a patch :-)
  
   Best,
  
   Charles.
  
  
   Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:51:36 +0100,
   Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
  
I have LibreOffice 3.3.0 rc3 and I was not notified of the rc4.
   
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:17, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
   
 Hi,

 Actually that does already exist, if I'm not misstaken, except
 it does not do anything with uninstall the old version. But
 there's an alert on the desktop that notifies the user when
 there's a new version (same with extensions btw).

 Best,
 Charles.


 Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:08:58 +0100,
 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :

  Why not make a simple solution in the meantime?
 
  Only tell the user there is a new version, and a link to the
  new version. Obviously the installable of the new version
  should be able to automatically de-install the old version.
  That should be actually very easy, don't you think so?
 
  Cheers!
 
  On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09, Charles-H. Schulz 
  charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 
   Hello Jaime,
  
  
   Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:49:03 +0100,
   Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
  
Hello all,
   
for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for
Windows  Mac LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no
sense?
   
My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's
completely Automatic, or they only get an info pop window,
offering a one click update.
   
Cheers!
   
Jaime
  
  
   It would be an excellent idea, and many thought about it,
   but the question is how feasible it is. I'm sure it is
   possible but it requires quite a lot of resources, time,
   etc. So don't expect it in the 3.4...
  
   best,
   Charles.
  
  
  
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Where does it exist? Which plugin? Someone here could implement it?

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 15:02, m...@crazyhstudio.net wrote:

 Hey guys,

 I thought that directly. But i wanted to put the information out there,
 the principe and software exists as Plugin and could be easy implemented
 on a Ported version.

  Thanks Charles,
 
  That's exactly my point, specifically, I have to use Windows at work and
  would like to be notified from new versions, at home I have no problem
  since
  my Linux desktop check the repository for new updates.
 
  Obviously if I have a stable version installed, I don't expect to be
  notified for RCs, but if I have an RC version installed I would expect to
  be
  notified for any new versions.
 
  Cheers!
 
  Jaime
 
  On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:41, Charles-H. Schulz 
  charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 
  So, we're talking about some discussions that took place during the
  OpenOffice time, a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away :-)
  I don't remember why we had chosen not to implement it for betas/RC ,
  there was supposedly a good reason for that but I completely forgot
  about it. Let me ask anyway.
 
  @Mike: apps that notifies users when another software can be updated
  exist a lot on the mac but here Jaime was mentioning one specific
  feature of LibreOffice that notifies the user directly and, possibly,
  updates LibO by itself.
 
  best,
  Charles.
 
  Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:06:46 +0100,
  Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
   I would love to, if I could! Maybe I'll have to learn how to make
   extensions and probably make one.
  
   If it's already implemented for the stable releases, why not add it
   to the RCs too, as optional?
  
   Cheers!
  
   On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:06, Charles-H. Schulz 
   charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
  
It does work only for stable releases (unless we dumped that update
component???) . Anyway, if you have any ideas on the implementation
of such a feature, you're welcome to upload a patch :-)
   
Best,
   
Charles.
   
   
Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:51:36 +0100,
Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
   
 I have LibreOffice 3.3.0 rc3 and I was not notified of the rc4.

 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:17, Charles-H. Schulz 
 charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

  Hi,
 
  Actually that does already exist, if I'm not misstaken, except
  it does not do anything with uninstall the old version. But
  there's an alert on the desktop that notifies the user when
  there's a new version (same with extensions btw).
 
  Best,
  Charles.
 
 
  Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:08:58 +0100,
  Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
   Why not make a simple solution in the meantime?
  
   Only tell the user there is a new version, and a link to the
   new version. Obviously the installable of the new version
   should be able to automatically de-install the old version.
   That should be actually very easy, don't you think so?
  
   Cheers!
  
   On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09, Charles-H. Schulz 
   charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
  
Hello Jaime,
   
   
Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:49:03 +0100,
Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit :
   
 Hello all,

 for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for
 Windows  Mac LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no
 sense?

 My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's
 completely Automatic, or they only get an info pop window,
 offering a one click update.

 Cheers!

 Jaime
   
   
It would be an excellent idea, and many thought about it,
but the question is how feasible it is. I'm sure it is
possible but it requires quite a lot of resources, time,
etc. So don't expect it in the 3.4...
   
best,
Charles.
   
   
   
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:57:33AM +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
 I second this as required. I think even Linux but then that will be
 distro specific.

No.

You need root for install, you use the office as user (everything else
is broken), you therefore can't ^auto-update because you don't have root
rights. (And asking for them from inside LibO would imho be questionable)

Grüße/Regards,

René

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Hallo Rene,

You also need Admin rights to install under Windows, but that's not the
point. The point is that the user should be notified that there is a new
version.

If he or she can install it, that's not our problem.

Schöne Grüsse / Cheers / Saludos

Jaime

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:41, Rene Engelhard 
rene.engelh...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:57:33AM +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
  I second this as required. I think even Linux but then that will be
  distro specific.

 No.

 You need root for install, you use the office as user (everything else
 is broken), you therefore can't ^auto-update because you don't have root
 rights. (And asking for them from inside LibO would imho be questionable)

 Grüße/Regards,

 René

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread Rene Engelhard
[ please fix your e-mail quoting ]

Hi,


On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 03:57:54PM +0100, Jaime R. Garza wrote:
 You also need Admin rights to install under Windows, but that's not the
 point. The point is that the user should be notified that there is a new
 version.
 
 If he or she can install it, that's not our problem.

That's sometihing else tahn what you requested: Let's look at the post again

for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for Windows  Mac  

LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no sense?  

My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's completely Automatic, 
  
or they only get an info pop window, offering a one click update.  
 ^^^
Grüße/Regards,

René

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread Lee Hyde
On 24/01/11 13:14, Jaime R. Garza wrote:
 Obviously if I have a stable version installed, I don't expect to be
 notified for RCs, but if I have an RC version installed I would expect to be
 notified for any new versions.

Something akin to Mozilla's release, beta and nightly update channels
should prove useful. LibreOffice could certainly learn a few things from
Mozilla's approach to automatic updates and/or add-on discovery and
installation.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info

2011-01-24 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-24 5:17 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
 Actually that does already exist, if I'm not misstaken, except it does
 not do anything with uninstall the old version. But there's an alert on
 the desktop that notifies the user when there's a new version (same
 with extensions btw).

What is *sorely* needed is an *incremental* updater...

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