Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
On Monday, May 21, 2012 01:53:04 PM Simos Xenitellis wrote: > > > > My apologies for not being clearer. I wasn't talking about this > > particular template, but the default examples given in LibreOffice > > itself. > > Can you elaborate on individual files? I think it would be ideal to > describe the task, > in case someone can take it up. The examples that the bibliographical database ships with are have nonsense Identifiers like BOR04. The Identifiers should be in the format that appears in the text -- for example, Smith: 1991. Then, just to add to the confusion, the dialog window in which you insert a bibliographical reference into the text refers to the Identifier as the "Short name." So does the database summary for a single entry. This confusion has existed ever since the OpenOffice.org code was first released. Since there have been no complaints, I wonder if anyone has ever used the bibliographical database. What's needed is a few samples in a chosen citation style that makes the use of the database obvious. -- Bruce Byfield, Burnaby BC 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: > On Sunday, May 20, 2012 09:54:21 PM NoOp wrote: >> On 05/18/2012 03:14 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: >> > On Friday, May 18, 2012 11:29:33 AM NoOp wrote: >> >> On 05/17/2012 03:15 PM, Marc Paré wrote: >> >> ... >> >> >> >> > There is a need for a few templates for academic use; a built-in >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> You might want to contact/collaborate with Orest Kinasevyc. He wrote >> > >> >> several templates for APA Style 5th & 6th editions for students: >> > My own academic days are past, so please excuse a suggestion I'm not >> > willing to implement myself. >> > >> > However, I'm sure that more people would use the bibliographical tools if >> > the samples given weren't misleading. Anyone trying to learn from them >> > might easily give up in despair. >> >> Perhaps you can explain as to how the samples are misleading? Maybe you >> can provide a sample(s) of your own. Or be helpful and provide links to >> other APA templates that meet your approval. > > My apologies for not being clearer. I wasn't talking about this particular > template, but the default examples given in LibreOffice itself. > Can you elaborate on individual files? I think it would be ideal to describe the task, in case someone can take it up. Simos -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
On Sunday, May 20, 2012 09:54:21 PM NoOp wrote: > On 05/18/2012 03:14 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: > > On Friday, May 18, 2012 11:29:33 AM NoOp wrote: > >> On 05/17/2012 03:15 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > >> ... > >> > >> > There is a need for a few templates for academic use; a built-in > >> > >> ... > >> > >> You might want to contact/collaborate with Orest Kinasevyc. He wrote > > > >> several templates for APA Style 5th & 6th editions for students: > > My own academic days are past, so please excuse a suggestion I'm not > > willing to implement myself. > > > > However, I'm sure that more people would use the bibliographical tools if > > the samples given weren't misleading. Anyone trying to learn from them > > might easily give up in despair. > > Perhaps you can explain as to how the samples are misleading? Maybe you > can provide a sample(s) of your own. Or be helpful and provide links to > other APA templates that meet your approval. My apologies for not being clearer. I wasn't talking about this particular template, but the default examples given in LibreOffice itself. -- Bruce Byfield, Burnaby BC 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
On Friday, May 18, 2012 11:29:33 AM NoOp wrote: > On 05/17/2012 03:15 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > ... > > > There is a need for a few templates for academic use; a built-in > > ... > > You might want to contact/collaborate with Orest Kinasevyc. He wrote > several templates for APA Style 5th & 6th editions for students: > My own academic days are past, so please excuse a suggestion I'm not willing to implement myself. However, I'm sure that more people would use the bibliographical tools if the samples given weren't misleading. Anyone trying to learn from them might easily give up in despair. -- Bruce Byfield, Burnaby BC 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
Marc, My apologies; I was not aware you were looking for how people managed to "up-rate" LibreOffice to work better for academic work. In my own case, I found the "writer's tools" offered by Dimitri Popov as an extension toolkit to be most useful, particularly for things like citations, bibliography and footnotes. It must be admitted that the extension is an OpenOffice item rather than LibreOffice, but I found it would work quite well with minimal extra work to put into LibreOffice. I hope this is the sort of thing you were looking for. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
Marc, So far I've avoided commenting on your request for two main reasons: I was obliged to retire last February so am no longer an "academic" as such and also it was not clear what you were meaning. Let me say that I never had problems with LibO (since the addition of free-motion paths into Impress) for academic work. True, there are differences in the way LibO and MS manage insertion of bibliography, citations, references and so on but so what? You just get used to the different way of working. I had issues - probably my fault for not working it out - getting text to flow round a graphic in any shape other than a rectangle. That can be a real bother. I also don't like the way floating text boxes drift around not just the page but the whole document when format changes are made - or even worse when sections are moved! I also never managed to put a working spreadsheet into a text document, though it is something I use only rarely. Finally, the real bugbear I have is that you can't "quick-roll" a database on the fly. Either the database has to exist before you start (even if empty) or you are tied into one highly restricted way of working. I do hope this helps in some way. On 16/05/2012 06:28, Marc Paré wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > > Le 2012-05-16 01:02, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit : >> Bibliography creation as well as source citations are very very >> important. >> >> Regards >> Jonathan Aquilina >> >> On May 15, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Marc Paré wrote: >> > > Thanks, I am looking for people who are using specific extensions in > their academic work. Maybe I should post this on the users' list as > well. I was hoping that some people who work in academia could chime > in and say what extensions they were using specifically for use in > academia. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
On 16/05/2012 07:28, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Jonathan, Le 2012-05-16 01:02, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit : Bibliography creation as well as source citations are very very important. Regards Jonathan Aquilina On May 15, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Thanks, I am looking for people who are using specific extensions in their academic work. Maybe I should post this on the users' list as well. I was hoping that some people who work in academia could chime in and say what extensions they were using specifically for use in academia. Cheers, Marc Hey Mark I wrote this from a students perspective. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
