Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion to expand user base: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice

2010-11-15 Thread Michael Meeks

On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 12:02 -0800, Alan C. Baird wrote:
> But it requires a template download and installation. If LibreOffice
> wants to capitalize on this unique opportunity, the template could be
> integrated in the upcoming LibreOffice release.

Pragmatically, if you can find a hacker who can knock up a patch that
merges the template into the code-base; then - we tend to accept patches
on the dev list [ assuming it doesn't add megabytes (compressed) ] to
the suite [ which I assume it would not ]. I see no reason why it
shouldn't go in - though, clearly not all special interests can do this
- nevertheless the mroe templates we have, the more people we have
interested in fixing our template browse / selection UI issues I
hope ;-)

HTH,

Michael.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion to expand user base: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice

2010-11-14 Thread Duane

On 11/14/2010 04:12 PM, Robert Derman wrote:

Alan C. Baird wrote:
Proposal for significantly enlarging LibreOffice's user base with 
Screenwright(R)


14 November 2010 by Alan C. Baird, prizewinning writer and creator of 
the

Screenwright(R) screenplay formatter [winner of the Sun/OOo CIP award]

http://w.9TimeZones.com/avails.htm
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/scr2
http://development.openoffice.org/awardees-2008.html

Executive Summary: enable screenplay formatting in LibreOffice to 
distinguish it from OpenOffice.


Pitch: Every aspiring screenwriter has a movie in his/her head that 
needs to get down on paper. However, some film production companies 
won't accept a script submission if the formatting is even ONE 
POSITION off! So ensuring that screenplays are formatted correctly is 
an obsession of screenwriters everywhere. But formatting a script can 
be an expensive proposition; 78 commercial formatters are listed at 
The Writers Store. A screenwriter could easily spend $200 or more on 
software, just to get a screenplay into acceptable shape.


UNLESS s/he uses LibreOffice in conjunction with the Screenwright(R) 
screenplay formatting template.


We all want our scripts to be eligible for the next 
multimillion-dollar spec auction, so some of us even carry our latest 
screenplays in our glove compartments, on the off-chance that we 
might meet someone who can help. In the movie "Monster In A Box," 
Spalding Gray talks about one of his trips to Los Angeles: «I had no 
idea how difficult it would be to find people not involved in the 
film industry until I got out there and saw a special on television - 
in which they were interviewing people in the parking lot of a Shop 
Rite supermarket. As people came out with their groceries, the 
interviewer would go up to them and say, "Hi there, good morning! 
Tell us, how's your film script going?" And everyone said, "What?! 
How did you know?" Right up to the cashier.»


If the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatting template can be included 
as an integral part of the upcoming LibreOffice release, it will send 
a clear signal--to filmmakers in particular and to the Entertainment 
sector in general--that LibreOffice is ready to address the 
industry's unique text-processing and -formatting needs. News travels 
fast among members of the Entertainment industry, and they tend to be 
the gatekeepers and style leaders for the culture at large.


Historical context: OOo Writer is the first (and for now, the only) 
full-featured word processor that will easily format a screenplay at 
no cost whatsoever. But it requires a template download and 
installation. If LibreOffice wants to capitalize on this unique 
opportunity, the template could be integrated in the upcoming 
LibreOffice release.


Alan C. Baird
Mesa, Arizona USA
acba...@yahoo.com
I remember mentioning in a recent email that I thought that with its 
corporate leaning OOo might end up tailored for lawyers and 
accountants and LO would end up being oriented to screenwriters, 
novelists, musicians/composers.  In other words LO would become the 
darling of the artistic community.  Unless I am mistaken, and in this 
case I don't think I am, most of the people in the artistic community 
don't have a lot of money to throw at obtaining tools for their 
craft.  I myself am writing two novels and a daily journal at this 
time using this full size laptop and a copy of OOo.  If LO were to 
become the tool of choice for the artistic community, this would 
likely greatly increase its visibility to the general public, (most 
people I mention OpenOffice to have never heard of it) do to frequent 
mention in the media which tends to pay a great deal of attention to 
the artistic community.  I could be wrong in this, as I am not an 
expert in such things, but I suspect that a template/and/or extension 
for Draw might make it able to do musical notation very conveniently.  
If this were the case, I can imagine it getting a huge amount of press 
coverage!




I will upgrade to LO as soon as a version not designated as beta 
becomes available.  And someone can promise me that my spell check 
dictionary to which I have added well over a thousand compound words 
can be transferred to it.


The OOo spell check dictionary has far too few compound words in it.   
For an example, it will have rain, and barrel, but not rainbarrel.   
Literally thousands of compound words need to be added to the spell 
check dictionary.



I have heard many people complain about the word completion feature, 
and ask how to turn it off, however for the writing of most prose it 
is a very useful tool, but with a couple of small changes it could be 
MUCH better.  For instance, have an option where it will not gather 
any string containing anything but the 26 lower case letters and ' the 
apostrophe.  (English)  Chapter headings are often in all upper case, 
and this becomes a nuisance when it offers words in all upper case.  
Or the opt

Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion to expand user base: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice

2010-11-14 Thread Robert Derman

Alan C. Baird wrote:

Proposal for significantly enlarging LibreOffice's user base with 
Screenwright(R)

14 November 2010 by Alan C. Baird, prizewinning writer and creator of the
Screenwright(R) screenplay formatter [winner of the Sun/OOo CIP award]

http://w.9TimeZones.com/avails.htm
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/scr2
http://development.openoffice.org/awardees-2008.html

Executive Summary: enable screenplay formatting in LibreOffice to distinguish 
it from OpenOffice.

Pitch: Every aspiring screenwriter has a movie in his/her head that needs to 
get down on paper. However, some film production companies won't accept a 
script submission if the formatting is even ONE POSITION off! So ensuring that 
screenplays are formatted correctly is an obsession of screenwriters 
everywhere. But formatting a script can be an expensive proposition; 78 
commercial formatters are listed at The Writers Store. A screenwriter could 
easily spend $200 or more on software, just to get a screenplay into acceptable 
shape.

UNLESS s/he uses LibreOffice in conjunction with the Screenwright(R) screenplay 
formatting template.

We all want our scripts to be eligible for the next multimillion-dollar spec auction, so some of us even 
carry our latest screenplays in our glove compartments, on the off-chance that we might meet someone who can 
help. In the movie "Monster In A Box," Spalding Gray talks about one of his trips to Los Angeles: 
«I had no idea how difficult it would be to find people not involved in the film industry until I got out 
there and saw a special on television - in which they were interviewing people in the parking lot of a Shop 
Rite supermarket. As people came out with their groceries, the interviewer would go up to them and say, 
"Hi there, good morning! Tell us, how's your film script going?" And everyone said, "What?! 
How did you know?" Right up to the cashier.»

If the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatting template can be included as an 
integral part of the upcoming LibreOffice release, it will send a clear 
signal--to filmmakers in particular and to the Entertainment sector in 
general--that LibreOffice is ready to address the industry's unique 
text-processing and -formatting needs. News travels fast among members of the 
Entertainment industry, and they tend to be the gatekeepers and style leaders 
for the culture at large.

Historical context: OOo Writer is the first (and for now, the only) 
full-featured word processor that will easily format a screenplay at no cost 
whatsoever. But it requires a template download and installation. If 
LibreOffice wants to capitalize on this unique opportunity, the template could 
be integrated in the upcoming LibreOffice release.

Alan C. Baird
Mesa, Arizona USA
acba...@yahoo.com
I remember mentioning in a recent email that I thought that with its 
corporate leaning OOo might end up tailored for lawyers and accountants 
and LO would end up being oriented to screenwriters, novelists, 
musicians/composers.  In other words LO would become the darling of the 
artistic community.  Unless I am mistaken, and in this case I don't 
think I am, most of the people in the artistic community don't have a 
lot of money to throw at obtaining tools for their craft.  I myself am 
writing two novels and a daily journal at this time using this full size 
laptop and a copy of OOo.  If LO were to become the tool of choice for 
the artistic community, this would likely greatly increase its 
visibility to the general public, (most people I mention OpenOffice to 
have never heard of it) do to frequent mention in the media which tends 
to pay a great deal of attention to the artistic community.  I could be 
wrong in this, as I am not an expert in such things, but I suspect that 
a template/and/or extension for Draw might make it able to do musical 
notation very conveniently.  If this were the case, I can imagine it 
getting a huge amount of press coverage!




I will upgrade to LO as soon as a version not designated as beta becomes 
available.  And someone can promise me that my spell check dictionary to 
which I have added well over a thousand compound words can be 
transferred to it.   



The OOo spell check dictionary has far too few compound words in it.   
For an example, it will have rain, and barrel, but not rainbarrel.   
Literally thousands of compound words need to be added to the spell 
check dictionary.



I have heard many people complain about the word completion feature, and 
ask how to turn it off, however for the writing of most prose it is a 
very useful tool, but with a couple of small changes it could be MUCH 
better.  For instance, have an option where it will not gather any 
string containing anything but the 26 lower case letters and ' the 
apostrophe.  (English)  Chapter headings are often in all upper case, 
and this becomes a nuisance when it offers words in all upper case.  Or 
the option to lock in a "Pe