[discuss] Tribblix

2020-07-13 Thread Peter Firmstone 

Just thought I'd say that I'm impressed with Tribblix. :)

Cheers,

Peter.


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[discuss] Tribblix prerelease

2012-10-23 Thread Peter Tribble 
For a while now I've been working on a new distribution based
on OpenSolaris/OpenIndiana/Illumos.

The aim is to produce something that's traditionally styled but has
much more up to date components than Solaris 10 (or the current
derivatives, come to that). Packaging is SVR4 (underneath, anyway);
the primary desktop will be Xfce.

I've now got to the point where I can produce an ISO that will boot
to a login prompt, and that can install a functional (and easily
customized) system to a hard drive. At the moment that's all it does -
it's absolutely by no means complete or finished, but it's a foundation
I can build on. If you're happy with twm or wmaker, it's almost usable.

For reasons that aren't entirely due to vanity it's called Tribblix. (Anyone
else remember that name from a Go Game at one of the OpenSolaris
summits?) And the website with some details and an ISO for download
is here:

http://www.tribblix.org/

I'm running this successfully under VirtualBox and on a desktop PC from
4 years ago, both in 64-bit mode. 32-bit is untested.

This is just a proof of concept; a demonstration to prove that it can be
done. I'll be fleshing it out with more and newer packages, and generally
fixing the problems I've uncovered. I'll also release all the scripts used to
build it - once I've removed all the temporary hacks I'm too embarrassed
to show in public.

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[discuss] Tribblix update

2012-12-16 Thread Peter Tribble 
Tribblix being a part-time hobby project means that progress tends
to come in fits and starts, but I am moving along.

Milestone 2 of Tribblix is based directly on Illumos. It was based
on Illumos before, of course, but by proxy. Now I'm generating the
packages that come from illumos-gate directly from my build, rather
than repackaging bits that OI have built. I'm still dependent on OI
for the remainder of the base OS (things like libxml, for example,
and the whole of the X11 consolidation comes from OI).

That's the major change in Milestone 2. There are minor fixes, and
a few new and updated packages.

http://www.tribblix.org/

In parallel, I've been trying to get LibreOffice going. I can now get it
built and installed. (It's clear that others have trodden this path
before me, I just lift patches from posts to mailing lists that I can find
via Google.) Unfortunately, it exits during startup and I need to
look into that more closely. A first attempt at version 4 indicates
there's a lot more pain ahead.

I'm keeping a keen eye on other lightweight desktops. E17 builds
with very little effort, and the full E17 release is just around the
corner. It would be nice to have LXDE and awesome available as
well. I'm still looking for a viable graphical login manager.

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[discuss] Tribblix update

2013-03-04 Thread Peter Tribble 
Work continues on putting more flesh on the bare bones that
is Tribblix. The latest update - Milestone 4 - is now available.

http://www.tribblix.org/download.html

The milestone reached here is to build and include OpenJDK,
which opens up a new range of opportunities. (For those who
missed it, one of the key features of Milestone 3 was
Enlightenment E17.)

This is all a long way from production-ready. One key missing
feature is any upgrade capability. There are a lot more things
missing, of course - but this is very much a prototype, as well
as a flexible platform I can build other applications on.

I'm still trying to get LibreOffice running, with some success - I
can now get a clean build and install of 4.0.1.2, and can open
some documents, but many operations don't work at all.

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[discuss] Tribblix updated

2013-11-29 Thread Peter Tribble 
After rather longer than I planned, a new update of Tribblix
(milestone 8) is now available

http://www.tribblix.org/download.html

Main focus here has been on getting PXE boot and network install
to work (still manual, not yet automated - that'll come later).

Some technical notes on the implementation there are in a couple
of blog posts:

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/tribblix-getting-boot-arguments.html

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/tribblix-making-pxe-boot-work.html

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[discuss] Tribblix update

2014-05-24 Thread Peter Tribble via illumos-discuss 
I continue to tinker with Tribblix, and a new update (0m10)
is now available:

http://www.tribblix.org/download.html

There are a couple of features that I've been working on.
One is automated installation (done really simple):

http://tribblix.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/cardigan-automated-install-for-tribblix.html

and the other, which didn't quite make the iso but only needs
a few updates, is building illumos-gate (in a custom build
zone):

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/building-illumos-gate-on-tribblix.html

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[discuss] Tribblix updates

2017-06-07 Thread Peter Tribble 
Hi,

I've just released the latest update of Tribblix, Milestone 20.

Download here:

http://www.tribblix.org/download.html

Boring summary of changes:

http://tribblix.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/changes-in-0m20-prerelease.html

This is built from a recent illumos-gate, so includes all the
goodness there, such as xhci.

I've also been working on Tribblix for SPARC. While it's a long
hard slog, some notes on my progress are here:

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/tribblix-sparc-progress.html

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Re: [discuss] Tribblix

2020-07-30 Thread Peter Tribble 
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:56 PM Peter Firmstone <
peter.firmst...@zeus.net.au> wrote:

> Just thought I'd say that I'm impressed with Tribblix. :)
>

Well, thank you for saying so!

There's a lot more I want to do with Tribblix, but as usual it's a
challenge trying
to find time fitted in amongst the rest of life. But knowing that people
think it's
worth the effort provides excellent motivation - something that's hugely
beneficial
for people working on open source projects.

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Re: [discuss] Tribblix prerelease

2012-10-23 Thread Jim Klimov 

2012-10-23 12:58, Peter Tribble пишет:

For a while now I've been working on a new distribution based
on OpenSolaris/OpenIndiana/Illumos.

The aim is to produce something that's traditionally styled but has
much more up to date components than Solaris 10 (or the current
derivatives, come to that). Packaging is SVR4 (underneath, anyway);
the primary desktop will be Xfce.


So, basically, this is the replacement for Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris
SXCE releases - based on current opensourced components from illumos
kernel and OI userland parts?

Great! :)

Can we LiveUpgrade into it (in the future, of course)? ;)

I guess nothing precludes it from running on SPARC in due time, too?

//Jim



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Re: [discuss] Tribblix prerelease

2012-10-23 Thread Peter Tribble 
Jim,

>> For a while now I've been working on a new distribution based
>> on OpenSolaris/OpenIndiana/Illumos.
>>
>> The aim is to produce something that's traditionally styled but has
>> much more up to date components than Solaris 10 (or the current
>> derivatives, come to that). Packaging is SVR4 (underneath, anyway);
>> the primary desktop will be Xfce.
>
>
> So, basically, this is the replacement for Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris
> SXCE releases - based on current opensourced components from illumos
> kernel and OI userland parts?

I wouldn't call it *the* replacement, that's way off base. But certainly
if Solaris 10 and SXCE were what you wanted, this would be closer in
many ways than the other distros (and more divergent in other ways).

I'm not expecting to pull much of the userland from OI in the long term.
I certainly don't anticipate building JDS, for example - I'll build Xfce from
scratch instead.

> Great! :)

Thanks!

> Can we LiveUpgrade into it (in the future, of course)? ;)

Not as such - Live Upgrade is a proprietary closed-source technology.
But something similar would be feasible, certainly. All it is is cloning the
install and updating packages before rebooting into the new target.

> I guess nothing precludes it from running on SPARC in due time, too?

Nothing at all. It'll be harder, of course - I bootstrapped x86 directly off
a running OI151a7 system. But it shouldn't be that hard to do the same
off the repo or proto area produced by an Illumos build. Testing is much
harder for sparc, without VirtualBox or equivalents -  I'm guessing I did
~100 iso builds and boots before I was reasonably happy (although a
lot of those were mistakes and part of the learning process that wouldn't
need to be repeated).

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Re: [discuss] Tribblix prerelease

2012-10-23 Thread Bob Friesenhahn 

On Tue, 23 Oct 2012, Peter Tribble wrote:

I'm not expecting to pull much of the userland from OI in the long term.
I certainly don't anticipate building JDS, for example - I'll build Xfce from
scratch instead.


Does this mean that pre-built software for OpenSolaris like Firefox, 
Thunderbird, OpenOffice, and VirtualBox, would not be able to execute 
due to missing libraries?


I do like the idea of a relatively spartan desktop.

Bob
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Re: [discuss] Tribblix prerelease

2012-10-23 Thread Peter Tribble 
Bob,

>> I'm not expecting to pull much of the userland from OI in the long term.
>> I certainly don't anticipate building JDS, for example - I'll build Xfce
>> from
>> scratch instead.
>
>
> Does this mean that pre-built software for OpenSolaris like Firefox,
> Thunderbird, OpenOffice, and VirtualBox, would not be able to execute due to
> missing libraries?

Well no. Most of the libraries will be replaced by up to date versions, and
applications ought to run without a hitch. It'll take time.

I'm running the S10 firefox 16.0.1, which has its own private copies
of many libraries (as the ones shipped with S10 are too old) and it
works just fine.

> I do like the idea of a relatively spartan desktop.

I like to think of lean, mean, fully functional but not bloated.

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Re: [discuss] Tribblix prerelease

2012-10-24 Thread Milan Jurik 
Hi Peter,

On �t, 2012-10-23 at 19:51 +0100, Peter Tribble wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> >> For a while now I've been working on a new distribution based
> >> on OpenSolaris/OpenIndiana/Illumos.
> >>
> >> The aim is to produce something that's traditionally styled but has
> >> much more up to date components than Solaris 10 (or the current
> >> derivatives, come to that). Packaging is SVR4 (underneath, anyway);
> >> the primary desktop will be Xfce.
> >
> >
> > So, basically, this is the replacement for Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris
> > SXCE releases - based on current opensourced components from illumos
> > kernel and OI userland parts?
> 
> I wouldn't call it *the* replacement, that's way off base. But certainly
> if Solaris 10 and SXCE were what you wanted, this would be closer in
> many ways than the other distros (and more divergent in other ways).
> 
> I'm not expecting to pull much of the userland from OI in the long term.
> I certainly don't anticipate building JDS, for example - I'll build Xfce from
> scratch instead.
> 


Before starting Xfce from scratch, look at spec-files-extra, pkgtool can
create SVR4 packages and there are specs for Xfce. Currently slightly
unmaintained but still better than start from scratch. Some Solaris
patches are there.

Best regards,

Milan



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Re: [discuss] Tribblix prerelease

2012-10-27 Thread David Halko 
Hi Peter,

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Milan Jurik  wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> On �t, 2012-10-23 at 19:51 +0100, Peter Tribble wrote:
> > Jim,
> >
> > >> For a while now I've been working on a new distribution based
> > >> on OpenSolaris/OpenIndiana/Illumos.
> > >>
> > >> The aim is to produce something that's traditionally styled but has
> > >> much more up to date components than Solaris 10 (or the current
> > >> derivatives, come to that). Packaging is SVR4 (underneath, anyway);
> > >> the primary desktop will be Xfce.
> > >
> > > So, basically, this is the replacement for Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris
> > > SXCE releases - based on current opensourced components from illumos
> > > kernel and OI userland parts?
> >
> > I wouldn't call it *the* replacement, that's way off base. But certainly
> > if Solaris 10 and SXCE were what you wanted, this would be closer in
> > many ways than the other distros (and more divergent in other ways).
> >
> > I'm not expecting to pull much of the userland from OI in the long term.
> > I certainly don't anticipate building JDS, for example - I'll build Xfce
> from
> > scratch instead
>
> Before starting Xfce from scratch, look at spec-files-extra, pkgtool can
> create SVR4 packages and there are specs for Xfce. Currently slightly
> unmaintained but still better than start from scratch. Some Solaris
> patches are there.
>
> Best regards,
> Milan
>

I have tried Milan's SVR4 SPARC distro and it is a good start!

Do you have a SPARC ISO for your SVR4 distro, Peter?

Thanks - Dave
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Re: [discuss] Tribblix prerelease

2012-10-28 Thread Peter Tribble 
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Halko  wrote:

> I have tried Milan's SVR4 SPARC distro and it is a good start!
>

Do you mean Martin's Martux DVD?


> Do you have a SPARC ISO for your SVR4 distro, Peter?
>

Not yet. That shouldn't be too difficult. (It's much easier to develop
and test on x86, as I can repeatedly spin something up in VirtualBox
until I get it right. The differences in building the ISOs for sparc are
relatively small.)

As I recall, though, Martin said he had stripped out the IPS packaging
from his DVD, which I would need in order to convert all the packages.

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Re: [discuss] Tribblix prerelease

2012-10-28 Thread Peter Tribble 
>> I'm not expecting to pull much of the userland from OI in the long term.
>> I certainly don't anticipate building JDS, for example - I'll build Xfce from
>> scratch instead.
>
> Before starting Xfce from scratch, look at spec-files-extra, pkgtool can
> create SVR4 packages and there are specs for Xfce. Currently slightly
> unmaintained but still better than start from scratch. Some Solaris
> patches are there.

I know how to build Xfce, I've been supporting it on Solaris 10
for some years now.

Something like pkgtool and SFE is definitely necessary. Package
builds need to be automated. I've always found the SFE process
to be quite hard going, and the spec files I need at the moment are
either completely absent or out of date. But I'm still trying to get
all the missing base pieces (primarily from JDS, such as glib/
gtk/pango/cairo and friends) building correctly.

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[discuss] Tribblix Milestone 1

2012-11-07 Thread Peter Tribble 
A little more work, and Tribblix has reached its first milestone,
as described briefly here:

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/tribblix-milestone-1.html

There's still work to fill out the desktop, but Xfce is there and
works.

I'm currently attempting to build LibreOffice, which would close
a huge gap. (If I can get it to work, anyway.)

The other key piece of desktop infrastructure I need is a login
manager. Something like gdm is too heavy (and pulls in too
much of gnome); LightDM looked promising but needs gtk3
(which I might get to, but not there yet);LXDM won't compile,
and SLiM might work but would require quite a bit of work to
configure properly. Or there's xdm, I suppose.

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Re: [discuss] Tribblix update

2012-12-16 Thread Garrett D'Amore 
This is great work Peter.  I look forward to having a chance to play with your 
results in the future.

- Garrett

On Dec 16, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Peter Tribble  wrote:

> Tribblix being a part-time hobby project means that progress tends
> to come in fits and starts, but I am moving along.
> 
> Milestone 2 of Tribblix is based directly on Illumos. It was based
> on Illumos before, of course, but by proxy. Now I'm generating the
> packages that come from illumos-gate directly from my build, rather
> than repackaging bits that OI have built. I'm still dependent on OI
> for the remainder of the base OS (things like libxml, for example,
> and the whole of the X11 consolidation comes from OI).
> 
> That's the major change in Milestone 2. There are minor fixes, and
> a few new and updated packages.
> 
> http://www.tribblix.org/
> 
> In parallel, I've been trying to get LibreOffice going. I can now get it
> built and installed. (It's clear that others have trodden this path
> before me, I just lift patches from posts to mailing lists that I can find
> via Google.) Unfortunately, it exits during startup and I need to
> look into that more closely. A first attempt at version 4 indicates
> there's a lot more pain ahead.
> 
> I'm keeping a keen eye on other lightweight desktops. E17 builds
> with very little effort, and the full E17 release is just around the
> corner. It would be nice to have LXDE and awesome available as
> well. I'm still looking for a viable graphical login manager.
> 
> -- 
> -Peter Tribble
> http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/
> 
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Re: [discuss] Tribblix update

2012-12-16 Thread Jerry Kemp 
Downloading now.

Thank you for your efforts Peter.

-=-

Aside from some reading, I really haven't played with LibreOffice.  Are
there any feature that they have developed that are not in the
OpenOffice fork?  Or maybe some licensing advantage?

At lest at this time, I am not certain what LibreOffice provides that
OpenOffice does not, aside from another fork?

-=-

I'm also interested in the alternate desktops.  I had good luck with
WindowMaker on Solaris probably 10 or 11 years ago.


Jerry

On 12/16/12 12:55 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote:
> This is great work Peter.  I look forward to having a chance to play with 
> your results in the future.
> 
>   - Garrett
> 
> On Dec 16, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Peter Tribble  wrote:
> 
>> Tribblix being a part-time hobby project means that progress tends
>> to come in fits and starts, but I am moving along.
>>
>> Milestone 2 of Tribblix is based directly on Illumos. It was based
>> on Illumos before, of course, but by proxy. Now I'm generating the
>> packages that come from illumos-gate directly from my build, rather
>> than repackaging bits that OI have built. I'm still dependent on OI
>> for the remainder of the base OS (things like libxml, for example,
>> and the whole of the X11 consolidation comes from OI).
>>
>> That's the major change in Milestone 2. There are minor fixes, and
>> a few new and updated packages.
>>
>> http://www.tribblix.org/
>>
>> In parallel, I've been trying to get LibreOffice going. I can now get it
>> built and installed. (It's clear that others have trodden this path
>> before me, I just lift patches from posts to mailing lists that I can find
>> via Google.) Unfortunately, it exits during startup and I need to
>> look into that more closely. A first attempt at version 4 indicates
>> there's a lot more pain ahead.
>>
>> I'm keeping a keen eye on other lightweight desktops. E17 builds
>> with very little effort, and the full E17 release is just around the
>> corner. It would be nice to have LXDE and awesome available as
>> well. I'm still looking for a viable graphical login manager.
>>
>> -- 
>> -Peter Tribble
>> http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/
>>
>>


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Re: [discuss] Tribblix update

2012-12-17 Thread Adam Holland 
Is this something a Linux user new to illumos should try, or is it best
saved for later when I've got my feet wet (aka like CRUX Linux or
Slackware)?

-Adam

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Jerry Kemp  wrote:

> Downloading now.
>
> Thank you for your efforts Peter.
>
> -=-
>
> Aside from some reading, I really haven't played with LibreOffice.  Are
> there any feature that they have developed that are not in the
> OpenOffice fork?  Or maybe some licensing advantage?
>
> At lest at this time, I am not certain what LibreOffice provides that
> OpenOffice does not, aside from another fork?
>
> -=-
>
> I'm also interested in the alternate desktops.  I had good luck with
> WindowMaker on Solaris probably 10 or 11 years ago.
>
>
> Jerry
>
> On 12/16/12 12:55 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote:
> > This is great work Peter.  I look forward to having a chance to play
> with your results in the future.
> >
> >   - Garrett
> >
> > On Dec 16, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Peter Tribble 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Tribblix being a part-time hobby project means that progress tends
> >> to come in fits and starts, but I am moving along.
> >>
> >> Milestone 2 of Tribblix is based directly on Illumos. It was based
> >> on Illumos before, of course, but by proxy. Now I'm generating the
> >> packages that come from illumos-gate directly from my build, rather
> >> than repackaging bits that OI have built. I'm still dependent on OI
> >> for the remainder of the base OS (things like libxml, for example,
> >> and the whole of the X11 consolidation comes from OI).
> >>
> >> That's the major change in Milestone 2. There are minor fixes, and
> >> a few new and updated packages.
> >>
> >> http://www.tribblix.org/
> >>
> >> In parallel, I've been trying to get LibreOffice going. I can now get it
> >> built and installed. (It's clear that others have trodden this path
> >> before me, I just lift patches from posts to mailing lists that I can
> find
> >> via Google.) Unfortunately, it exits during startup and I need to
> >> look into that more closely. A first attempt at version 4 indicates
> >> there's a lot more pain ahead.
> >>
> >> I'm keeping a keen eye on other lightweight desktops. E17 builds
> >> with very little effort, and the full E17 release is just around the
> >> corner. It would be nice to have LXDE and awesome available as
> >> well. I'm still looking for a viable graphical login manager.
> >>
> >> --
> >> -Peter Tribble
> >> http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >>
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Re: [discuss] Tribblix update

2012-12-17 Thread Peter Tribble 
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Adam Holland  wrote:

> Is this something a Linux user new to illumos should try, or is it best
> saved for later when I've got my feet wet (aka like CRUX Linux or
> Slackware)?
>
>>
To be honest, Tribblix probably wouldn't be the best starting place
(not yet, at any rate). It's pretty raw, and currently assumes a fair
level of traditional Solaris experience. Hopefully it'll become more
amenable to a wider audience as it matures.

The comparison to CRUX is probably reasonably accurate. Thanks
for pointing that one out!


> >
>> >> Tribblix being a part-time hobby project means that progress tends
>> >> to come in fits and starts, but I am moving along.
>> >>
>> >> Milestone 2 of Tribblix is based directly on Illumos. It was based
>> >> on Illumos before, of course, but by proxy. Now I'm generating the
>> >> packages that come from illumos-gate directly from my build, rather
>> >> than repackaging bits that OI have built. I'm still dependent on OI
>> >> for the remainder of the base OS (things like libxml, for example,
>> >> and the whole of the X11 consolidation comes from OI).
>> >>
>> >> That's the major change in Milestone 2. There are minor fixes, and
>> >> a few new and updated packages.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.tribblix.org/
>> >>
>> >> In parallel, I've been trying to get LibreOffice going. I can now get
>> it
>> >> built and installed. (It's clear that others have trodden this path
>> >> before me, I just lift patches from posts to mailing lists that I can
>> find
>> >> via Google.) Unfortunately, it exits during startup and I need to
>> >> look into that more closely. A first attempt at version 4 indicates
>> >> there's a lot more pain ahead.
>> >>
>> >> I'm keeping a keen eye on other lightweight desktops. E17 builds
>> >> with very little effort, and the full E17 release is just around the
>> >> corner. It would be nice to have LXDE and awesome available as
>> >> well. I'm still looking for a viable graphical login manager.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> -Peter Tribble
>> >> http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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[discuss] Tribblix Milestone 6

2013-05-20 Thread Peter Tribble 
I've been plugging away at Tribblix, and just cut another prerelease

http://www.tribblix.org/download.html

All very much experimental, of course. As well as a bunch
of application updates, the key feature of this release is
sparse-root zones, very much like Solaris 10. (And whole
root as well.) Some of the innards discussed here:

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/sparse-root-zones-in-tribblix.html

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Re: [discuss] Tribblix updated

2013-11-29 Thread Saso Kiselkov 
On 11/29/13, 2:12 PM, Peter Tribble wrote:
> After rather longer than I planned, a new update of Tribblix
> (milestone 8) is now available
> 
> http://www.tribblix.org/download.html
> 
> Main focus here has been on getting PXE boot and network install
> to work (still manual, not yet automated - that'll come later).
> 
> Some technical notes on the implementation there are in a couple
> of blog posts:
> 
> http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/tribblix-getting-boot-arguments.html
> 
> http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/tribblix-making-pxe-boot-work.html

Great work Peter!

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[discuss] Tribblix Milestone 17

2016-05-19 Thread Peter Tribble 
I've been continuing work on Tribblix, and have just made available
a new release (Milestone 17).

Apart from a long list of new and updated packages, this version:

Supports installation into an existing rpool (from a prior release of
Tribblix, and presumably other distros).

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/installing-tribblix-into-existing-pool.html

Replaces SunSSH with OpenSSH.

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/replacing-sunssh-with-openssh-in.html

Is investigating signed packages.

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/signing-packages-in-tribblix.html

I'm also hoping that the corresponding SPARC version won't be quite as far
behind as it has been.

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/updating-tribblix-for-sparc.html

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[discuss] Tribblix progress report

2017-02-19 Thread Peter Tribble 
I thought it worth giving a quick update on progress in Tribblix.

A new release, Milestone 19 aka 0m19, is now available for download.

http://www.tribblix.org/download.html

The major milestone this time around is the new loader, which seems to
work just fine (as it should, but it's nice to confirm this in practice).

There's a long list of new and updated packages - just keeping up
with the ongoing deluge of releases in all the open source projects
out there is a job in itself.

A background project is to gradually enable 64-bit builds of packages
where relevant. This means shipping both 32 and 64-bit binaries and
libraries, not necessarily enabling isaexec. The main intent is to have
64-bit versions of everything building successfully so that when they're
needed they're already available.

Meanwhile, Tribblix should work just fine on older hardware - either
old 32-bit x86 systems, or generally somewhat more resource
constrained than the multi-gigabyte RAM requirements you might
see elsewhere.

I'm working on getting the SPARC version up to date too. I'm hoping
to get a Milestone 18 release out shortly. Progress on SPARC is
slower than I would like for several reasons: the systems are
just plain slow (my SunBlade 2000 that I use for building packages
takes forever compared to my regular Core i7 desktop, and the
T5140 takes about as long to run POST as my normal machine
does to do an illumos build); the hardware is noisy and power-hungry
so it doesn't spend that much time turned on (although it's been handy
on some of the colder winter days); I'm still working on getting the
baseline packages solid (libxml2 is about the last one left that I
still have to regenerate); and I still need to make Tribblix on SPARC
self-hosting (I currently build illumos for SPARC on a T5140 that's
a cobbled together by hand mix of OpenSXCE, Tribblix, illumos, and
hand-installed bodges) - the reason I can't jump straight to the same
level for SPARC as I'm using for x86 is that illumos no longer builds
on that old box (and it's not the loader, it's changes in some of the
native build stuff). It's basically that old limitation, time.

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Re: [discuss] Tribblix progress report

2017-02-19 Thread DavidHalko 
Hello Peter,

I may have a V240 with some RAM and storage that I can make cycles available 
for to build on over the Internet. It is used today to host SunRay clients and 
has capacity.

I have a UPS system which will keep the network and server alive for over 3 
hours, in case of an infrastructure power outage.

I also have some other equipment also available, which I am willing to provide 
access over the Internet to. If you have some Solaris client to make DynDNS 
available, I would be willing to install it.

I also have some older equipment I am willing to host (quantities of v100, 
v120, ultra60) which can be used as a test bed for new builds.

I am personally willing to eat the cost of hosting, power, cooling, 
connectivity for the purpose of keeping newer SPARC ports coming.

I would also be interested in hosting multiple Raspberry PI servers for such a 
port. ZFS or UFS is ok. 

I may also be able to get/host more modern hardware (various T systems), if 
there is an effort to keep SPARC ports & packages coming.

Thanks, David
http://netmgt.blogspot.com/

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 19, 2017, at 8:11 AM, Peter Tribble  wrote:
> 
> I thought it worth giving a quick update on progress in Tribblix.
> 
> A new release, Milestone 19 aka 0m19, is now available for download.
> 
> http://www.tribblix.org/download.html
> 
> The major milestone this time around is the new loader, which seems to
> work just fine (as it should, but it's nice to confirm this in practice).
> 
> There's a long list of new and updated packages - just keeping up
> with the ongoing deluge of releases in all the open source projects
> out there is a job in itself.
> 
> A background project is to gradually enable 64-bit builds of packages
> where relevant. This means shipping both 32 and 64-bit binaries and
> libraries, not necessarily enabling isaexec. The main intent is to have
> 64-bit versions of everything building successfully so that when they're
> needed they're already available.
> 
> Meanwhile, Tribblix should work just fine on older hardware - either
> old 32-bit x86 systems, or generally somewhat more resource
> constrained than the multi-gigabyte RAM requirements you might
> see elsewhere.
> 
> I'm working on getting the SPARC version up to date too. I'm hoping
> to get a Milestone 18 release out shortly. Progress on SPARC is
> slower than I would like for several reasons: the systems are
> just plain slow (my SunBlade 2000 that I use for building packages
> takes forever compared to my regular Core i7 desktop, and the
> T5140 takes about as long to run POST as my normal machine
> does to do an illumos build); the hardware is noisy and power-hungry
> so it doesn't spend that much time turned on (although it's been handy
> on some of the colder winter days); I'm still working on getting the
> baseline packages solid (libxml2 is about the last one left that I 
> still have to regenerate); and I still need to make Tribblix on SPARC
> self-hosting (I currently build illumos for SPARC on a T5140 that's
> a cobbled together by hand mix of OpenSXCE, Tribblix, illumos, and
> hand-installed bodges) - the reason I can't jump straight to the same
> level for SPARC as I'm using for x86 is that illumos no longer builds
> on that old box (and it's not the loader, it's changes in some of the
> native build stuff). It's basically that old limitation, time.
> 
> -- 
> -Peter Tribble
> http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/
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Re: [discuss] Tribblix progress report

2017-02-19 Thread vab 
Hi David!


> I may have a V240 with some RAM and storage that I can make cycles available
> for to build on over the Internet. It is used today to host SunRay clients and
> has capacity.
[...]
> I am personally willing to eat the cost of hosting, power, cooling,
> connectivity for the purpose of keeping newer SPARC ports coming.
> 
> I would also be interested in hosting multiple Raspberry PI servers for such a
> port. ZFS or UFS is ok. 
> 
> I may also be able to get/host more modern hardware (various T systems), if
> there is an effort to keep SPARC ports & packages coming.

This sounds very good!  I am glad that people still are interested in
SPARC.  One recent development I like very much is Alexander Eremin's
v9os distribution:

  https://sourceforge.net/projects/v9os/
  https://github.com/alhazred?tab=repositories
  http://alexeremin.blogspot.de/2016/07/meet-v9os-minimalist-illumos-based.html


Regards -- Volker
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[discuss] Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tribblix updated

2013-11-29 Thread Jerry Kemp 

Thank you for the update Peter.



On 11/29/13 08:12 AM, Peter Tribble wrote:

After rather longer than I planned, a new update of Tribblix
(milestone 8) is now available

http://www.tribblix.org/download.html

Main focus here has been on getting PXE boot and network install
to work (still manual, not yet automated - that'll come later).

Some technical notes on the implementation there are in a couple
of blog posts:

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/tribblix-getting-boot-arguments.html

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/tribblix-making-pxe-boot-work.html




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[discuss] Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tribblix Milestone 1

2012-11-08 Thread Francois Dion 
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Peter Tribble  wrote:
> A little more work, and Tribblix has reached its first milestone,
> as described briefly here:
>
> http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/tribblix-milestone-1.html
>
> There's still work to fill out the desktop, but Xfce is there and
> works.

Very nice. I've put up some screenshots:

http://solarisdesktop.blogspot.com/2012/11/tribblix.html

Running on 512MB of RAM btw. The reason this is interesting to me is
that the Raspberry Pi has now been shipping with 512MB of RAM, there
was an OpenSolaris port to ARM processors and the Pi has a stable
hardware list. 1 video and sound driver needed. 1 usb/ethernet
chipset.


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[discuss] Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tribblix Milestone 1

2012-11-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn 

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012, Francois Dion wrote:


http://solarisdesktop.blogspot.com/2012/11/tribblix.html

Running on 512MB of RAM btw. The reason this is interesting to me is
that the Raspberry Pi has now been shipping with 512MB of RAM, there
was an OpenSolaris port to ARM processors and the Pi has a stable
hardware list. 1 video and sound driver needed. 1 usb/ethernet
chipset.


AMD has announced that within two years they will have an "Opteron" 
based on the ARM architecture.  This will be in addition to continuing 
evolution of x86-64.  There will be serious ARM hardware available 
suitable for running Illumos-based systems.  There will be ARM64 
hardware available (from other than AMD) for deployment within the 
next 5 months.


Hopefully some company will decide to add ARM support for Illumos.

Bob
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Re: [discuss] Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tribblix updated

2013-11-29 Thread Adam Holland 
Well, I probably haven't dabbled enough in Openindiana to be ready to face
Tribblix, but I am curious with all these milestone announcements so I'll
throw it into virtualbox and take a look-see.

Yesterday I was going through some old CD's where I volunteer and I found
an old Solaris DVD, but sadly it was SPARC and I don't have a usable box to
try it out.  But I remembered that illumos is the awesome fork of Solaris
so I was happy for that.

I'll report back if there are any major issues using Tribblix in Vbox.

-Adam


On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Jerry Kemp  wrote:

> Thank you for the update Peter.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/29/13 08:12 AM, Peter Tribble wrote:
>
>> After rather longer than I planned, a new update of Tribblix
>> (milestone 8) is now available
>>
>> http://www.tribblix.org/download.html
>>
>> Main focus here has been on getting PXE boot and network install
>> to work (still manual, not yet automated - that'll come later).
>>
>> Some technical notes on the implementation there are in a couple
>> of blog posts:
>>
>> http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/tribblix-getting-
>> boot-arguments.html
>>
>> http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/tribblix-making-pxe-boot-work.html
>>
>>
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RE: [discuss] Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tribblix updated

2013-12-02 Thread Chavdar Ivanov 


From: Adam Holland [mailto:ajh8...@gmail.com]
Sent: 30 November 2013 06:02
To: discuss@lists.illumos.org
Subject: Re: [discuss] Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tribblix updated

Well, I probably haven't dabbled enough in Openindiana to be ready to face 
Tribblix, but I am curious with all these milestone announcements so I'll throw 
it into virtualbox and take a look-see.
Yesterday I was going through some old CD's where I volunteer and I found an 
old Solaris DVD, but sadly it was SPARC and I don't have a usable box to try it 
out.  But I remembered that illumos is the awesome fork of Solaris so I was 
happy for that.
I'll report back if there are any major issues using Tribblix in Vbox.

I installed it (the kitchen-sink option) under VBox without problems - using 
UFS.

Chavdar Ivanov

-Adam

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Jerry Kemp 
mailto:sun.mail.lis...@oryx.cc>> wrote:
Thank you for the update Peter.




On 11/29/13 08:12 AM, Peter Tribble wrote:
After rather longer than I planned, a new update of Tribblix
(milestone 8) is now available

http://www.tribblix.org/download.html

Main focus here has been on getting PXE boot and network install
to work (still manual, not yet automated - that'll come later).

Some technical notes on the implementation there are in a couple
of blog posts:

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/tribblix-getting-boot-arguments.html

http://ptribble.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/tribblix-making-pxe-boot-work.html

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Re: [discuss] Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tribblix updated

2013-12-04 Thread Peter Tribble 
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Chavdar Ivanov  wrote:

>
>
> I installed it (the kitchen-sink option) under VBox without problems –
> using UFS.
>

I'm intrigued that somebody actually bothered to use
the UFS option. Not that I don't think it's worthwhile,
but it's probably unusual.

Just to expand on why this exists - the first thing was to
keep me honest, trying to avoid baking in assumptions
about ZFS. The second is that, while we all know that
ZFS is clearly the world's best file system and all that,
it isn't necessarily the best choice in all possible
scenarios. (Genuinely resource constrained systems
in particular. And if you think arduino and Raspberry pi
are interesting, consider x86duino.)

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Re: [discuss] Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tribblix updated

2013-12-04 Thread Matt Lewandowsky 
Peter,

Another useful case for UFS root is keeping resource usage by virtual machines 
down.

With many workloads, the actual data being worked with isn't "local" to the VM 
anyhow and most of the machine is disposable anyhow. That negates most of the 
ZFS benefits.

I hadn't realized you had UFS support, so I'll have to take Tribblix for a 
spin. :)

‎--Matt

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On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Chavdar Ivanov  wrote:

>
>
> I installed it (the kitchen-sink option) under VBox without problems –
> using UFS.
>

I'm intrigued that somebody actually bothered to use
the UFS option. Not that I don't think it's worthwhile,
but it's probably unusual.

Just to expand on why this exists - the first thing was to
keep me honest, trying to avoid baking in assumptions
about ZFS. The second is that, while we all know that
ZFS is clearly the world's best file system and all that,
it isn't necessarily the best choice in all possible
scenarios. (Genuinely resource constrained systems
in particular. And if you think arduino and Raspberry pi
are interesting, consider x86duino.)

--
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http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/



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Re: [discuss] Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tribblix updated

2013-12-04 Thread Josef 'Jeff' Sipek 
Another possible use: developing zfs and not having to worry about your test 
pool and root pool becoming unusable at the same time.

Jeff.

> On Dec 4, 2013, at 19:06, Matt Lewandowsky  wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> 
> Another useful case for UFS root is keeping resource usage by virtual 
> machines down.
> 
> With many workloads, the actual data being worked with isn't "local" to the 
> VM anyhow and most of the machine is disposable anyhow. That negates most of 
> the ZFS benefits.
> 
> I hadn't realized you had UFS support, so I'll have to take Tribblix for a 
> spin. :)
> 
> ‎--Matt
> 
> -- 
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> Big Geek
> Greenviolet
> m...@greenviolet.net http://www.greenviolet.net
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> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> From: Peter Tribble
> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 13:25
> To: discuss
> Reply To: discuss@lists.illumos.org
> Subject: Re: [discuss] Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tribblix updated
> 
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Chavdar Ivanov  wrote:
>   
> 
> I installed it (the kitchen-sink option) under VBox without problems – using 
> UFS.
> 
> 
> I'm intrigued that somebody actually bothered to use
> the UFS option. Not that I don't think it's worthwhile,
> but it's probably unusual.
> 
> Just to expand on why this exists - the first thing was to
> keep me honest, trying to avoid baking in assumptions
> about ZFS. The second is that, while we all know that
> ZFS is clearly the world's best file system and all that,
> it isn't necessarily the best choice in all possible
> scenarios. (Genuinely resource constrained systems
> in particular. And if you think arduino and Raspberry pi
> are interesting, consider x86duino.)
>  
> -- 
> -Peter Tribble
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Re: [discuss] Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tribblix updated

2013-12-11 Thread Adam Holland 
Hi Peter,

I just wanted to let you know that I did try installing tribblix under vbox
for the first time since I got into this mailing list.

I got stumbled-up in the fdisk section.  The usage of 'format' is a rather
confusing compared to the command line GNU fdisk on Linux.

I know this isn't your doing, as I have had similar confusion and
frustration trying to partition an SGI volume using IRIX 6.5 on my friends
old O2 model.

If there is a more extended tutorial on this illumos or SunOS format tool,
it would help me to get past that into actually trying Tribblix.

-Adam


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Peter Tribble wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Chavdar Ivanov  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I installed it (the kitchen-sink option) under VBox without problems –
>> using UFS.
>>
>>
> I'm intrigued that somebody actually bothered to use
> the UFS option. Not that I don't think it's worthwhile,
> but it's probably unusual.
>
> Just to expand on why this exists - the first thing was to
> keep me honest, trying to avoid baking in assumptions
> about ZFS. The second is that, while we all know that
> ZFS is clearly the world's best file system and all that,
> it isn't necessarily the best choice in all possible
> scenarios. (Genuinely resource constrained systems
> in particular. And if you think arduino and Raspberry pi
> are interesting, consider x86duino.)
>
> --
> -Peter Tribble
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Re: [discuss] Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tribblix updated

2013-12-12 Thread Peter Tribble 
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Adam Holland  wrote:

>
> Hi Peter,
>
> I just wanted to let you know that I did try installing tribblix under
> vbox for the first time since I got into this mailing list.
>
> I got stumbled-up in the fdisk section.  The usage of 'format' is a rather
> confusing compared to the command line GNU fdisk on Linux.
>
> I know this isn't your doing, as I have had similar confusion and
> frustration trying to partition an SGI volume using IRIX 6.5 on my friends
> old O2 model.
>
> If there is a more extended tutorial on this illumos or SunOS format tool,
> it would help me to get past that into actually trying Tribblix.
>

I think this is actually an area where we could definitely improve.
(Not that the Linux tools are necessarily better, just different, and
you probably get more hits on Google to help you out, which I
needed the other day when having a disagreement with sfdisk
and partprobe.)

I've got a script that will (hopefully) do all the fdisk+format steps,
it's format-a-disk.sh, and if you install as

./live_install.sh -B c0t0d0 kitchen-sink

it will automatically call that script to partition the drive correctly.
That's the plan, anyway.

It's pretty much at the "works for me" stage (hence undocumented)
but it might be the long-term solution. It's a shame we don't have
properly scriptable drive formatting tools - what my script does
is what most of us do, which is use prtvtoc and fmthard, making
up the right partition table with a bit of scripting.

Thanks for the comments!

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