[IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
Ok, I just received the 2nd recruitment email for exactly the same job from exactly the same recruitment agency. I'm all for getting IxDAers jobs (who wouldn't be), but I'm not convinced that recruiters should be able to post to the list. Also, there is a difference between a company posting a opening themselves (hopefully they're participating in the community beforehand) and a recruiter posting a "mystery" job for someone else. I feel that we should make a reasonable effort to keep a discussion list for discussionsand filter out things that aren't. So I wonder... 1) Are recruiters being moderated like all first-time posters are? (it appears not) 2) Are recruiters considered to be staying on topic? 3) Doesn't this directly violate the "job seeking" section of the list guidelines? see: http://www.ixda.org/about_guidelines.php Regarding #3, maybe this is just an enforcement issue? Now, I don't just want to push recruiters away...they help to get people jobs. So perhaps IxDA should have a jobs list or a job board? That way, people looking for jobs can have a high signal/noise ratio, while those who are here to learn and share around IxD can focus on that. Cheers, Josh Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
Hi Josh, I hope you're not talking about my posts? Sorry if you are, the first post didn't display so I left a note and reposted. I can assure you I am advertising the role from my digital agency (it is actually to replace me) and I am an active member of the boards. I just thought I would jump in as I have posted the same job today! If it isn't aimed at me then ignore everything. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=45774 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
No, in particular I was referring to the job posted by both Heidi Raynor and Alex Call for the Senior UX designer in Seattle. Fine people, I'm sure, but redundant posts on a list in which a single post shouldn't be here in the first place. On Sep 18, 2009, at 2:13 AM, Kevin Rapley wrote: Hi Josh, I hope you're not talking about my posts? Sorry if you are, the first post didn't display so I left a note and reposted. I can assure you I am advertising the role from my digital agency (it is actually to replace me) and I am an active member of the boards. I just thought I would jump in as I have posted the same job today! If it isn't aimed at me then ignore everything. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=45774 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
I would tend to agree, although I usually end up deleting posts with JOB in the subject line. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=45774 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
Your Point #3 also implies that recruiters will be posting jobs. "...Of course, you are encouraged to reply privately to any job ads posted by members who are hiring. " I agree with redundant redundancy being annoying, but the jobs themselves are outright allowed. Not a Board Member, Scott On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Joshua Porter wrote: > No, in particular I was referring to the job posted by both Heidi Raynor and > Alex Call for the Senior UX designer in Seattle. > > Fine people, I'm sure, but redundant posts on a list in which a single post > shouldn't be here in the first place. > > > > On Sep 18, 2009, at 2:13 AM, Kevin Rapley wrote: > >> Hi Josh, I hope you're not talking about my posts? Sorry if you are, >> the first post didn't display so I left a note and reposted. >> >> I can assure you I am advertising the role from my digital agency (it >> is actually to replace me) and I am an active member of the boards. >> >> I just thought I would jump in as I have posted the same job today! >> If it isn't aimed at me then ignore everything. >> >> -- "You always have the carny connection." - Clair High Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
Good points, Josh. I agree, and there's plenty of room for improvement on this topic. A scrappy way to circumvent the problem in the mean time could be to create a rule in your mail app that archives emails from IxDA with "[Job]" in the headline. Jason R. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from ixda.org (via iPhone) http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=45774 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
I like the idea of a different thread for jobs. I myself am looking to increase knowledge not get a job so i too delete those emails. However, I am sure some members would like to see opportunities. As a technical recruiter in my former life I know they can be a very valuable resource so I wouldn't push them away, just place those posts in an appropriate area. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=45774 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
Hi folks, The new Conan system website is going to provide a stand-alone Job Board!! :) Right now, job posts are definitely noise amid the discussion for those uninterested in opportunities, but note that we explicitly allow recruiters to post. They are moderated just like other posters, which means that their first post is held back and subsequent posts are let through normally. Cheers, Liz Vice-President, IxDA / www.ixda.org CDO, Devise / www.devise.com On Sep 18, 2009, at 8:58 AM, janaura wrote: I like the idea of a different thread for jobs. I myself am looking to increase knowledge not get a job so i too delete those emails. However, I am sure some members would like to see opportunities. As a technical recruiter in my former life I know they can be a very valuable resource so I wouldn't push them away, just place those posts in an appropriate area. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=45774 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Elizabeth Bacon wrote: > Right now, job posts are definitely noise amid the discussion for those > uninterested in opportunities, That's an interesting assumption - I'd be curious to know if you've surveyed people on that. For myself I'm not looking but I keep a file of job postings that I might refer to later. Likewise I check the subjects of job postings because they give interesting data on geographic locations and often company names/industries where hiring is taking place. I'd be sad to see all postings forced off the list. I though the application of a label such as [JOB] allowed easy enough filtering, but perhaps that's not universally true either... Best, --Alan Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
I think that allowing job postings enables people who aren't currently looking to see what skills they are expected to have in case they decide to start looking. It helps you to keep your skills up-to-date!. This is good for people who have been with one company for a long time and have had set responsibilities - they might not even think of these skills, but developing them might help them in their current position or get them ready for the next. And it also gives a somewhat inside track (sometimes even to the ones responsible for hiring) to both those who are and are not currently looking. And I agree with Alan - it's also interesting to see which companies are hiring and where and what they're looking for. And lastly, it gives us a reading on how the economy is doing...no job posts means no jobs...more job posts means that things are starting to look up, and that companies are starting to hire again! Courtney -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.interactiondesigners.com [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of Alan Wexelblat Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 3:05 PM To: Elizabeth Bacon Cc: Interaction_Designers Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Elizabeth Bacon wrote: > Right now, job posts are definitely noise amid the discussion for > those uninterested in opportunities, That's an interesting assumption - I'd be curious to know if you've surveyed people on that. For myself I'm not looking but I keep a file of job postings that I might refer to later. Likewise I check the subjects of job postings because they give interesting data on geographic locations and often company names/industries where hiring is taking place. I'd be sad to see all postings forced off the list. I though the application of a label such as [JOB] allowed easy enough filtering, but perhaps that's not universally true either... Best, --Alan Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
Hopefully the job board will have job search agents and email notifications. Otherwise, a great deal of utility will be taken away from me (someone who is primarily here to learn and share but who is happy to see the job alerts) if I have to go somewhere every day to check listings rather than have them come to me automatically. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Elizabeth Bacon wrote: Hi folks, The new Conan system website is going to provide a stand-alone Job Board!! :) Right now, job posts are definitely noise amid the discussion for those uninterested in opportunities, but note that we explicitly allow recruiters to post. They are moderated just like other posters, which means that their first post is held back and subsequent posts are let through normally. Cheers, Liz Vice-President, IxDA / www.ixda.org CDO, Devise / www.devise.com On Sep 18, 2009, at 8:58 AM, janaura wrote: I like the idea of a different thread for jobs. I myself am looking to increase knowledge not get a job so i too delete those emails. However, I am sure some members would like to see opportunities. As a technical recruiter in my former life I know they can be a very valuable resource so I wouldn't push them away, just place those posts in an appropriate area. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=45774 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Jordan, Courtney wrote: > I think that allowing job postings enables people who aren't currently > looking to see what skills they are expected to have in case they decide > to start looking. It helps you to keep your skills up-to-date!. This is > good for people who have been with one company for a long time and have > had set responsibilities - they might not even think of these skills, > but developing them might help them in their current position or get > them ready for the next. And it also gives a somewhat inside track > (sometimes even to the ones responsible for hiring) to both those who > are and are not currently looking. And I agree with Alan - it's also > interesting to see which companies are hiring and where and what they're > looking for. And lastly, it gives us a reading on how the economy is > doing...no job posts means no jobs...more job posts means that things > are starting to look up, and that companies are starting to hire again! > > Courtney Hi Courtney, a big "me too" over here - I'm not looking for work in the US or Europe where most of the positions are (not really looking for work at all), but I love to see the type of jobs that are going. I like to ask myself "could I do that job?" - a brief mental holiday in the middle of an otherwise busy day. Best regards, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
Yes, folks, of course the Job Board postings will still have email notification & RSS feed options. They are tremendously valuable for those who want to see them, whether you're actively job hunting or not; they're just noise among the discussion for those that *don't* want them, like I said. Cheers, Liz Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
I do have a trivial concern about job postings. I often read the IxDA discussions when at work, sometimes for learning, other times for inspiration etc. But sometimes, when there are a load of job ads, my bosses must think that I'm looking for a new position! :-D . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=45774 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
For what it's worth, I'm a big fan of the job postings here. They serve to: - Keep me informed of the changing job landscape - Keep friends connected to potential companies looking to hire (I often forward) - Inform me as to what skills employers are looking for The best part of the job postings here are that they meet with so many eyes. As long as they are applicable to our profession, it seems like a win-win. That said, I bin anything with "JOB" in the title and have the option to view them later -- suspect that pushing job postings off from the main stream would dilute the number of viewers and make it less attractive to employers to seek our talent. This is such a direct pipeline. It needs to be respected, but so far it seems to be working nicely. the alternative is that we could have no job postings at all, in any forum. I'm happy the industry knows of us and prioritizes this work highly. -D Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
For those folks who are arguing for job postings because they find them valuable...in no way am I saying they aren't valuable. I'm just saying they don't belong on a discussion list, especially posts from recruiters. I'm sure there is no reason why you couldn't subscribe to a job posting list, when that is made available...and there you could dive even deeper into the job world than you do now. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=45774 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] On the topic of Recruiters
As a UI/UX recruiter I am open to a separated section of the website specifically for specialty positions. Additionally, I would like the ability to remove postings once the job is filled. I appreciate this forum and it is one of the greatest pools of talent for my niche but I understand the frustration. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=45774 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
