Re: [IxDA Discuss] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute phasing out online HCI program
Yes, but which ones are DISTANCE LEARNING? Not many, I would guess... Are people really ready to give up their jobs, houses, and move their families just to continue school and finish a degree? On Feb 26, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Pauric wrote: re: findability; http://platial.com/map/Interaction-Design-Schools/56336 /pauric . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=39194 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute phasing out online HCI program
re: findability; http://platial.com/map/Interaction-Design-Schools/56336 /pauric . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=39194 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute phasing out online HCI program
On Feb 25, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Michael Tuminello wrote: From what I remember they required some time on-campus for the degree. that was a dealbreaker for me. Oh, come on, Troy is beautiful this time of never. On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Becky Reed wrote: I wonder how much of it goes back to findability and information architecture (but I can be a little biased thinking most problems come back to these things). Placement in search engine isn't really high (and didn't even seem them for "online hci program" and the like) and then the description provided seemed accidental and had an odd subdomained URL that didn't give you the university's name or program in it. When you go to the program site you arrive at from some of the more obscure search terms, I didn't see a mention of format (online vs oncampus). There was a link for "working professionals". Mmmm...here's the mention: "live on-campus and, by electronic means". I guess in the months I spent searching for an online program I never Googled for "masters program HCI electronic means". In my experience, disambiguating on-campus only programs from distance ones was a challenge. Trying to winnow them down via search engine alone was impossible and even as noted above...it was kind of a treasure hunt on their program sites. I went with an barely online Human Factors program through U of Idaho last year and would have certainly looked at Rensselaer's HCI program as I could have taken it "by electronic means". Becky -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.interactiondesigners.com [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.interactiondesigners.com ] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:23 PM To: IxDA Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute phasing out online HCI program Why is noone interested in this program? There are only two online HCI programs to my knowledge - Rensselaer's and Brigham Young University. RPI's name has cachet and prestige. I know some nuclear engineers who graduated from RPI - smart school for smart people. I think they are phasing the online HCI program out because they didn't have enough applicants. Does no one have an interest in working while getting a degree remotely? Just checking the temperature here... -- Jeff Gimzek | Senior User Experience Designer j...@springstudio.com | www.springstudio.com Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute phasing out online HCI program
Ach, I spoke too soon. RPI is phasing out ALL distance learning graduate degrees and certificate programs, meaning polymer chemistry, mechanical engineering, all that (all those courses that I had to upload in that damn distance catalog). http://www.rpi.edu/ewp/distance/academics/schedule_projected.html What's important to know is that this page, the projected schedule, is the most important document on the site, from the POV of the Institute, cuz it represents a legally-binding commitment to the students IN PROGRESS. So scanning down this course list, it looks to me like all the HCI courses are still going to be offered thru 2010 or so, but the degree programs are going away. This is the note at the very bottom: Prospective Students Beginning with the Fall 2008 semester, Rensselaer has begun a three year transition to phase out the delivery of degree and certificate programs via distance learning. Please be assured that all distance students will be able to complete their programs as originally planned, and we will work with each student individually to develop their plan of study or account for any changes to their plan of study resulting from this change. If you have not applied or been accepted these programs are no longer available. Chris On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Christine Boese wrote: > Sorry to be so late chiming in on this thread. I thought I'd hear something > from the RPI faculty about the phasing out of HCI distance program, or > clarify what is happened, and I haven't yet. > > I am a product (PhD) of the same dept and took many of the core classes > that are part of this program. This is also the dept that initially invented > the field of technical communication and offered graduate degrees in it. > > Knowing the way RPI works, and the strength and commitment to their > offerings (and having at one time been responsible for that entire distance > learning web site, in the mid-1990s, mostly just catalog updates, as I could > not do too much structurally), I am also familiar with the RPI distance > learning system, which, I believe has been around 20+ years now. Not many > distance learning programs can say that. It confers very high end masters > degrees in specialized engineering, polymer chemistry, really wonky stuff, > in addition to t-com and HCI. > > Not just courses. Entire graduate degrees. > > So what's going on with this? It was a few years back that the technical > communication certificate and master's degree in the distance learning > program morphed into the HCI concentration, and I'm guessing what they are > really doing is morphing it back to a broader focus. > > I really don't believe the degree is going away, unless enrollments have > fallen way off. RPI is an expensive, private engineering school, and the > economy sux right now, so that could be having an effect. But at the same > time, there will be a lot of laid off people needing to retool their skill > sets. > > The larger issue, as I remember from the 1990s, was the nature of their > distance learning program, which was VERY high quality compared to a lot of > these fairly new distance learnning university offerings which are just one > step away from lite correspondence courses, if you ask me. > > RPI has always used elaborate video conferencing with satellite link-ups, > even before the time of the web, before the days of WebEx, when professors > there wrote the software to run it. Also, it tended to cater to big > corporate clients who provided the on-site satellite link for the live > interactions in the classroom with mixed face to face students and distance > students. In addition, the university always had high standards for > computer-supported collaborative work, and studio courses had big project > and collaboration components, in which the distance students were expected > to participate fully. > > I know I sound like a PR person, but if you could imagine the elaborate > system around all those video teleconferences (now supported on web > software, I hear), dedicated distance classrooms with multiple cameras and > professor view controls, etc. What I'm saying is it ain't your basic > "Blackboard" setup with a prof on a phone line and some email > correspondence. > > And RPI has been out in front in innovating on multi-disciplinary design, > so if they are moving away from the HCI angle, it could be likely that they > are gearing up to blaze another trail in a new area. Like I said, I sound > like PR, and I was involved in the founding of the RPI EMAC degree program, > so I know how they decide to do these things. Absent a major revenue > shortfall, that is what I would expect. > > Chris > > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:05 PM, sharon wrote: > >> >> I wonder how much of it goes back to findability and information >>> architecture (but I can be a little biased thinking most problems come back >>> to these things). >>> >>> Placement in search engine isn't really high (and didn't even seem the
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute phasing out online HCI program
Sorry to be so late chiming in on this thread. I thought I'd hear something from the RPI faculty about the phasing out of HCI distance program, or clarify what is happened, and I haven't yet. I am a product (PhD) of the same dept and took many of the core classes that are part of this program. This is also the dept that initially invented the field of technical communication and offered graduate degrees in it. Knowing the way RPI works, and the strength and commitment to their offerings (and having at one time been responsible for that entire distance learning web site, in the mid-1990s, mostly just catalog updates, as I could not do too much structurally), I am also familiar with the RPI distance learning system, which, I believe has been around 20+ years now. Not many distance learning programs can say that. It confers very high end masters degrees in specialized engineering, polymer chemistry, really wonky stuff, in addition to t-com and HCI. Not just courses. Entire graduate degrees. So what's going on with this? It was a few years back that the technical communication certificate and master's degree in the distance learning program morphed into the HCI concentration, and I'm guessing what they are really doing is morphing it back to a broader focus. I really don't believe the degree is going away, unless enrollments have fallen way off. RPI is an expensive, private engineering school, and the economy sux right now, so that could be having an effect. But at the same time, there will be a lot of laid off people needing to retool their skill sets. The larger issue, as I remember from the 1990s, was the nature of their distance learning program, which was VERY high quality compared to a lot of these fairly new distance learnning university offerings which are just one step away from lite correspondence courses, if you ask me. RPI has always used elaborate video conferencing with satellite link-ups, even before the time of the web, before the days of WebEx, when professors there wrote the software to run it. Also, it tended to cater to big corporate clients who provided the on-site satellite link for the live interactions in the classroom with mixed face to face students and distance students. In addition, the university always had high standards for computer-supported collaborative work, and studio courses had big project and collaboration components, in which the distance students were expected to participate fully. I know I sound like a PR person, but if you could imagine the elaborate system around all those video teleconferences (now supported on web software, I hear), dedicated distance classrooms with multiple cameras and professor view controls, etc. What I'm saying is it ain't your basic "Blackboard" setup with a prof on a phone line and some email correspondence. And RPI has been out in front in innovating on multi-disciplinary design, so if they are moving away from the HCI angle, it could be likely that they are gearing up to blaze another trail in a new area. Like I said, I sound like PR, and I was involved in the founding of the RPI EMAC degree program, so I know how they decide to do these things. Absent a major revenue shortfall, that is what I would expect. Chris On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:05 PM, sharon wrote: > > I wonder how much of it goes back to findability and information >> architecture (but I can be a little biased thinking most problems come back >> to these things). >> >> Placement in search engine isn't really high (and didn't even seem them >> for "online hci program" and the like) and then the description provided >> seemed accidental and had an odd subdomained URL that didn't give you the >> university's name or program in it. >> > I've had a tough time finding programs in most university's convoluted > information architecture. > This is the URL: > http://www.rpi.edu/ewp/distance/course_masters/ms_hum_comp_int.html > > When you go to the program site you arrive at from some of the more >> obscure search terms, I didn't see a mention of format (online vs oncampus). >> There was a link for "working professionals". Mmmm...here's the mention: >> "live on-campus and, by electronic means". I guess in the months I spent >> searching for an online program I never Googled for "masters program HCI >> electronic means". >> > Wow. I found it trough 'distance learning', but you are so right, that term > above is ridiculous in this day and age. > > In my experience, disambiguating on-campus only programs from distance >> ones was a challenge. Trying to winnow them down via search engine alone was >> impossible and even as noted above...it was kind of a treasure hunt on their >> program sites. >> > Agreed! It really is hard to find programs nowadays... > > Why is noone interested in this program? >> There are only two online HCI programs to my knowledge - Rensselaer's >> and Brigham Young University. >> RPI's name has cachet and prestige. I know some nuclear engineers who >
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute phasing out online HCI program
I wonder how much of it goes back to findability and information architecture (but I can be a little biased thinking most problems come back to these things). Placement in search engine isn't really high (and didn't even seem them for "online hci program" and the like) and then the description provided seemed accidental and had an odd subdomained URL that didn't give you the university's name or program in it. I've had a tough time finding programs in most university's convoluted information architecture. This is the URL: http://www.rpi.edu/ewp/distance/course_masters/ms_hum_comp_int.html When you go to the program site you arrive at from some of the more obscure search terms, I didn't see a mention of format (online vs oncampus). There was a link for "working professionals". Mmmm...here's the mention: "live on-campus and, by electronic means". I guess in the months I spent searching for an online program I never Googled for "masters program HCI electronic means". Wow. I found it trough 'distance learning', but you are so right, that term above is ridiculous in this day and age. In my experience, disambiguating on-campus only programs from distance ones was a challenge. Trying to winnow them down via search engine alone was impossible and even as noted above...it was kind of a treasure hunt on their program sites. Agreed! It really is hard to find programs nowadays... Why is noone interested in this program? There are only two online HCI programs to my knowledge - Rensselaer's and Brigham Young University. RPI's name has cachet and prestige. I know some nuclear engineers who graduated from RPI - smart school for smart people. I think they are phasing the online HCI program out because they didn't have enough applicants. Does no one have an interest in working while getting a degree remotely? Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute phasing out online HCI program
From what I remember they required some time on-campus for the degree. that was a dealbreaker for me. MT On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Becky Reed wrote: I wonder how much of it goes back to findability and information architecture (but I can be a little biased thinking most problems come back to these things). Placement in search engine isn't really high (and didn't even seem them for "online hci program" and the like) and then the description provided seemed accidental and had an odd subdomained URL that didn't give you the university's name or program in it. When you go to the program site you arrive at from some of the more obscure search terms, I didn't see a mention of format (online vs oncampus). There was a link for "working professionals". Mmmm...here's the mention: "live on-campus and, by electronic means". I guess in the months I spent searching for an online program I never Googled for "masters program HCI electronic means". In my experience, disambiguating on-campus only programs from distance ones was a challenge. Trying to winnow them down via search engine alone was impossible and even as noted above...it was kind of a treasure hunt on their program sites. I went with an barely online Human Factors program through U of Idaho last year and would have certainly looked at Rensselaer's HCI program as I could have taken it "by electronic means". Becky -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.interactiondesigners.com [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.interactiondesigners.com ] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:23 PM To: IxDA Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute phasing out online HCI program Why is noone interested in this program? There are only two online HCI programs to my knowledge - Rensselaer's and Brigham Young University. RPI's name has cachet and prestige. I know some nuclear engineers who graduated from RPI - smart school for smart people. I think they are phasing the online HCI program out because they didn't have enough applicants. Does no one have an interest in working while getting a degree remotely? Just checking the temperature here... Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute phasing out online HCI program
I wonder how much of it goes back to findability and information architecture (but I can be a little biased thinking most problems come back to these things). Placement in search engine isn't really high (and didn't even seem them for "online hci program" and the like) and then the description provided seemed accidental and had an odd subdomained URL that didn't give you the university's name or program in it. When you go to the program site you arrive at from some of the more obscure search terms, I didn't see a mention of format (online vs oncampus). There was a link for "working professionals". Mmmm...here's the mention: "live on-campus and, by electronic means". I guess in the months I spent searching for an online program I never Googled for "masters program HCI electronic means". In my experience, disambiguating on-campus only programs from distance ones was a challenge. Trying to winnow them down via search engine alone was impossible and even as noted above...it was kind of a treasure hunt on their program sites. I went with an barely online Human Factors program through U of Idaho last year and would have certainly looked at Rensselaer's HCI program as I could have taken it "by electronic means". Becky -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.interactiondesigners.com [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:23 PM To: IxDA Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute phasing out online HCI program Why is noone interested in this program? There are only two online HCI programs to my knowledge - Rensselaer's and Brigham Young University. RPI's name has cachet and prestige. I know some nuclear engineers who graduated from RPI - smart school for smart people. I think they are phasing the online HCI program out because they didn't have enough applicants. Does no one have an interest in working while getting a degree remotely? Just checking the temperature here... Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute phasing out online HCI program
I've been looking to take online courses in HCI. I didn't know of this program. I would definitely be interesting in working while getting a degree remotely in HCI. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=39194 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
