Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to Geospatial FOSS?

[andrea giacomelli]

Hi, not sure about the time zones involved in Gary replying...I think he is
referring to:

http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/fs-basins4.html

Gary, please correct me if I am wrong ;)

Regards,

Andrea, aka pibinko
http://pibinko.altervista.org

2008/1/29, Cameron Shorter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Yes Gary, that would be great.
> Do you know where we can find information about this?
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 2:07 PM, Gary Watry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Would the U.S. EPA moving from ESRI to Open Source for their Watershed
> model help
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Cameron Shorter
> > Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 21:39
> > Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to Geospatial FOSS?
> > To: OSGeo Discussions
> >
> > > After giving a presentation recently about Geospatial Open Source,
> we> were asked whether there have been any case studies on migration to
> > > Geospatial Open Source.
> > >
> > > The audience were very sympathetic to Open Source, but felt is would
> > > be much easier to sell to upper management if they could draw upon
> > > experiences of other agencies who have done something similar.
> > >
> > > Can anyone point me to reports, or programs which have migrated from
> > > ESRI/Oracle applications (ArcGIS in particular) to Open Source
> > > equivalents?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cameron Shorter
> > > Geospatial Systems Architect
> > > Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
> > > Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
> > >
> > > Think Globally, Fix Locally
> > > Commercial Support for Geospatial Open Source Solutions
> > > http://www.lisasoft.com/LISAsoft/SupportedProducts.html
> > > ___
> > > Discuss mailing list
> > > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> > > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > >
> >
> > Gary Watry
> > Applications Developer/Designer
> >
> > Florida State University
> > Office of Telecommunications
> > 644 West Call Street
> > Tallahassee, Fl 32306
> > Phone: 645-6904
> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cameron Shorter
> Geospatial Systems Architect
> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
>
> Think Globally, Fix Locally
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Who's in incubation, who has graduated?

[Micha Silver]

I think this topic has been discussed before. On the OSGeo home page 
there's the list of OSGeo projects, but no indication of which projects 
have finished the incubation and are "OSGeo certified". To find out, you 
have to make your way to the "Incubation Committee" wiki page, and there 
is the only list (I could find) of which projects have graduated. 
Furthermore on that page it says:
"The following status and provenance documents are for historical 
purposes, and are no longer actively maintained"
which *might* be misconstrued to mean that those projects are no longer 
considered  part of OSGeo.


Why not give some clear visual indication (font color, etc) on the main 
OSGeo web page of which projects have finished, giving them the credit 
they deserve?


Cheers,
Micha

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to Geospatial FOSS?

[Miguel Montesinos]

Hello Cameron,
 
In Spain there are several case studies.
 
Valencian Regional Ministry of Infrastructure and Transport is under a project 
of migrating "all" systems to open-source software[1]. As a matter of fact, 
that was the reason to build gvSIG[2]. All geospatial infrastructure 
(previously with ESRI) has been moved to open source (gvSIG, PostGIS, 
MapServer, deegree, geoNetwork opensource).[2]
 
Hydrographic Confederation of Guadalquivir river (Spain). A migration of a big 
part of ESRI components to open-source has been made, with use of gvSIG, 
Geonetwork opensource, MapServer, GeoServer, deegree [3]
 
[1] http://www.gvsig.gva.es/index.php?id=gvpontis&L=2
[2] http://www.gvsig.gva.es/index.php?id=gvsig0&L=2
[3] http://www.orzancongres.com/administracion/upload/imgPrograma/N-004.pdf 
 
Sorry [3] is in Spanish.
 
I can provide more if you need.
 
Regards
 
 

-

Miguel Montesinos

Director Técnico

PRODEVELOP

C/ Conde Salvatierra, 34 - 10

46004 Valencia. Spain

e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.prodevelop.es

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrea 
giacomelli
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:10 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
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FOSS?


Hi, not sure about the time zones involved in Gary replying...I think 
he is referring to:

http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/fs-basins4.html

Gary, please correct me if I am wrong ;)

Regards,

Andrea, aka pibinko
http://pibinko.altervista.org


2008/1/29, Cameron Shorter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 

Yes Gary, that would be great.
Do you know where we can find information about this?

On Jan 29, 2008 2:07 PM, Gary Watry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Would the U.S. EPA moving from ESRI to Open Source for their 
Watershed model help
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Cameron Shorter
> Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 21:39
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to 
Geospatial FOSS?
> To: OSGeo Discussions
>
> > After giving a presentation recently about Geospatial Open 
Source, we> were asked whether there have been any case studies on 
migration to
> > Geospatial Open Source.
> >
> > The audience were very sympathetic to Open Source, but felt 
is would
> > be much easier to sell to upper management if they could 
draw upon
> > experiences of other agencies who have done something 
similar.
> >
> > Can anyone point me to reports, or programs which have 
migrated from
> > ESRI/Oracle applications (ArcGIS in particular) to Open 
Source
> > equivalents?
> >
> > --
> > Cameron Shorter
> > Geospatial Systems Architect
> > Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
> > Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
> >
> > Think Globally, Fix Locally
> > Commercial Support for Geospatial Open Source Solutions
> > http://www.lisasoft.com/LISAsoft/SupportedProducts.html
> > ___
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
>
> Gary Watry
> Applications Developer/Designer
>
> Florida State University
> Office of Telecommunications
> 644 West Call Street
> Tallahassee, Fl 32306
> Phone: 645-6904
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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>



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Jobs Board

[Lorenzo Becchi]

thanks to Frank, it is possible to register to the mailing list:
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs

Landon, Michael and me will moderate any massage posted to that list.
Mateusz, if you want to step in, you're welcome. I can add you as moderator.

if/when the list will take place we will send a post on osgeo.org news. 
then maybe further promotion.


don't be shy, subscribe and post your requests

ciao
Lorenzo





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I have modified the Jobs Board page on the OSGeo wiki page created by 
Frank Wammerdam to serve as our OSGeo Jobs Board.


 


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Who's in incubation, who has graduated?

[Arnulf Christl]

On Tue, January 29, 2008 10:54, Micha Silver wrote:
> I think this topic has been discussed before.

Indeed, it has a history of being ignored, thanks for bringing it up
again. Now that some major projects are moving we might also get more
backing. Marketing has ordered a Logo for graduated projects that should
come soon. It is a starting point.

> On the OSGeo home page
> there's the list of OSGeo projects, but no indication of which projects
> have finished the incubation and are "OSGeo certified". To find out, you
> have to make your way to the "Incubation Committee" wiki page, and there
> is the only list (I could find) of which projects have graduated.

We would like to highlight this information better on the main portal page
but could not propose a good way on how to do this. Any idea?

> Furthermore on that page it says:
> "The following status and provenance documents are for historical
> purposes, and are no longer actively maintained" which *might* be
> misconstrued to mean that those projects are no longer considered  part of
> OSGeo.

Another issue that I have brought up long ago but which was also never
followed up on. The only process in place now is a report by the PSC that
is due ... whenever someone feels like it. Some of the issues dealt with
in the incubation documents are to put good processes in place so that you
will (hopefully) never have to bother about copyright and licenses anymore
but things like the community, governance and general activity should be
monitored in some way.

> Why not give some clear visual indication (font color, etc) on the main
> OSGeo web page of which projects have finished, giving them the credit
> they deserve?

Yes, sure. We should really have done that much earlier.

Cheers, Arnulf.

> Cheers,
> Micha
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to Geospatial FOSS?

[Gary Watry]

Contact Dr. Dan Ames at Idaho State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message -
From: Cameron Shorter 
Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 22:11
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to Geospatial FOSS?
To: OSGeo Discussions 

> Yes Gary, that would be great.> Do you know where we can find information 
> about this?
> 
> On Jan 29, 2008 2:07 PM, Gary Watry wrote:
> >
> > Would the U.S. EPA moving from ESRI to Open Source for their 
> Watershed model help
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Cameron Shorter
> > Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 21:39
> > Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to 
> Geospatial FOSS?
> > To: OSGeo Discussions
> >
> > > After giving a presentation recently about Geospatial Open 
> Source, we
> were asked whether there have been any case 
> studies on migration to
> > > Geospatial Open Source.
> > >
> > > The audience were very sympathetic to Open Source, but felt is 
> would> > be much easier to sell to upper management if they could 
> draw upon
> > > experiences of other agencies who have done something similar.
> > >
> > > Can anyone point me to reports, or programs which have 
> migrated from
> > > ESRI/Oracle applications (ArcGIS in particular) to Open Source
> > > equivalents?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cameron Shorter
> > > Geospatial Systems Architect
> > > Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
> > > Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
> > >
> > > Think Globally, Fix Locally
> > > Commercial Support for Geospatial Open Source Solutions
> > > http://www.lisasoft.com/LISAsoft/SupportedProducts.html
> > > ___
> > > Discuss mailing list
> > > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> > > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > >
> >
> > Gary Watry
> > Applications Developer/Designer
> >
> > Florida State University
> > Office of Telecommunications
> > 644 West Call Street
> > Tallahassee, Fl 32306
> > Phone: 645-6904
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> >
> 
> 
> 
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> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Who's in incubation, who has graduated?

[Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)]

On 29-Jan-08, at 9:36 AM, Arnulf Christl wrote:

On the OSGeo home page
there's the list of OSGeo projects, but no indication of which  
projects
have finished the incubation and are "OSGeo certified". To find  
out, you
have to make your way to the "Incubation Committee" wiki page, and  
there

is the only list (I could find) of which projects have graduated.


We would like to highlight this information better on the main  
portal page

but could not propose a good way on how to do this. Any idea?


How about adding a simply asterisk * beside ones in incubation - with  
a footnote under the project list saying what the symbol represents.   
Should be easy enough to do.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Who's in incubation, who has graduated?

[Micha Silver]

Arnulf Christl wrote:

On Tue, January 29, 2008 10:54, Micha Silver wrote:
  

I think this topic has been discussed before.



Indeed, it has a history of being ignored, thanks for bringing it up
again. Now that some major projects are moving we might also get more
backing. Marketing has ordered a Logo for graduated projects that should
come soon. It is a starting point.

  

Good news.


Another issue that I have brought up long ago but which was also never
followed up on. The only process in place now is a report by the PSC that
is due ... whenever someone feels like it. Some of the issues dealt with
in the incubation documents are to put good processes in place so that you
will (hopefully) never have to bother about copyright and licenses anymore
but things like the community, governance and general activity should be
monitored in some way.

  
How about a report in the Journal every 6 months or so (every other 
journal issue) from the incubator committee detailing which projects 
started incubation, which graduated, and how the others are moving 
along.  And this could be the right venue to promote the benefit to FOSS 
projects of going thru the incubation procedure.



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to Geospatial FOSS?

[Cameron Shorter]

Dr Dan Ames,

Gary suggested that you might be able to provide a case study or similar 
into the EPA's migration from ESRI to Open Source.
Specifically I have some Australian Government Agencies who would be 
interested to use such work, and in general, such case studies would be 
very beneficial for the uptake of Open Source globally.


Gary Watry wrote:

Contact Dr. Dan Ames at Idaho State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message -
From: Cameron Shorter 
Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 22:11

Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to Geospatial FOSS?
To: OSGeo Discussions 

  

Yes Gary, that would be great. Do you know where we can find information about 
this?

On Jan 29, 2008 2:07 PM, Gary Watry wrote:

Would the U.S. EPA moving from ESRI to Open Source for their 
  

Watershed model help


- Original Message -
From: Cameron Shorter
Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 21:39
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to 
  

Geospatial FOSS?


To: OSGeo Discussions

  
After giving a presentation recently about Geospatial Open 


Source, we
were asked whether there have been any case 
studies on migration to


Geospatial Open Source.

The audience were very sympathetic to Open Source, but felt is 

would> > be much easier to sell to upper management if they could 
draw upon


experiences of other agencies who have done something similar.

Can anyone point me to reports, or programs which have 


migrated from


ESRI/Oracle applications (ArcGIS in particular) to Open Source
equivalents?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to Geospatial FOSS?

[Cameron Shorter]

Miguel,
Based upon my very limited Spanish, and skimming the titles, these look 
like excellent case studies.


Do you think these would be any chance of encouraging the responsible 
departments to translate to English?


The business case for a sponsor is that sponsoring a Case Study will 
greatly increase the chance that other agencies will also migrate to 
Open Source, which in turns means these agencies will invest in Open 
Source which is good for all Open Source users.


Miguel Montesinos wrote:

Hello Cameron,
 
In Spain there are several case studies.
 
Valencian Regional Ministry of Infrastructure and Transport is under a project of migrating "all" systems to open-source software[1]. As a matter of fact, that was the reason to build gvSIG[2]. All geospatial infrastructure (previously with ESRI) has been moved to open source (gvSIG, PostGIS, MapServer, deegree, geoNetwork opensource).[2]
 
Hydrographic Confederation of Guadalquivir river (Spain). A migration of a big part of ESRI components to open-source has been made, with use of gvSIG, Geonetwork opensource, MapServer, GeoServer, deegree [3]
 
[1] http://www.gvsig.gva.es/index.php?id=gvpontis&L=2

[2] http://www.gvsig.gva.es/index.php?id=gvsig0&L=2
[3] http://www.orzancongres.com/administracion/upload/imgPrograma/N-004.pdf 
 
Sorry [3] is in Spanish.
 
I can provide more if you need.
 
Regards
 
 


-

Miguel Montesinos

Director Técnico

PRODEVELOP

C/ Conde Salvatierra, 34 - 10

46004 Valencia. Spain

e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.prodevelop.es

Tlf: +34 963510612

 

 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrea 
giacomelli
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:10 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to Geospatial 
FOSS?


Hi, not sure about the time zones involved in Gary replying...I think 
he is referring to:

http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/fs-basins4.html

Gary, please correct me if I am wrong ;)

Regards,

Andrea, aka pibinko
http://pibinko.altervista.org


	2008/1/29, Cameron Shorter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 


Yes Gary, that would be great.
Do you know where we can find information about this?

On Jan 29, 2008 2:07 PM, Gary Watry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Would the U.S. EPA moving from ESRI to Open Source for their 
Watershed model help
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Cameron Shorter
> Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 21:39
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to 
Geospatial FOSS?
> To: OSGeo Discussions
>
> > After giving a presentation recently about Geospatial Open Source, 
we> were asked whether there have been any case studies on migration to
> > Geospatial Open Source.
> >
> > The audience were very sympathetic to Open Source, but felt 
is would
> > be much easier to sell to upper management if they could 
draw upon
> > experiences of other agencies who have done something 
similar.
> >
> > Can anyone point me to reports, or programs which have 
migrated from
> > ESRI/Oracle applications (ArcGIS in particular) to Open 
Source
> > equivalents?
> >
> > --
> > Cameron Shorter
> > Geospatial Systems Architect
> > Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
> > Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
> >
> > Think Globally, Fix Locally
> > Commercial Support for Geospatial Open Source Solutions
> > http://www.lisasoft.com/LISAsoft/SupportedProducts.html
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>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to Geospatial FOSS?

[Bruce . Bannerman]

IMO:

Cameron,

An alternative is that an organisation specialising in translation type 
services (e.g. SBS in Australia) might be approached if we can find the 
funding.

Bruce Bannerman 


> Do you think there would be any chance of encouraging the responsible 
> departments to translate to English?
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