Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for dedicated server recommendations
Hi, You can try whit Hostgis http://hostgis.com/home/. I know a person who has service with them and is very happy. Cheers, Wladimir 2010/10/3 Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net On 03/10/10 20:06, Markus Neteler wrote: On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: On 03/10/10 19:51, Markus Neteler wrote: On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Just van den Broecke j...@justobjects.nl wrote: Hi Mateusz, I have been using multiple (Root) servers from Hetzner http://www.hetzner.de the last 5 years and am very happy with their price/quality. best regards, Another happy Hetzner client (7+ years)... Hetzner looks interesting to me. I'm just wondering if and how much optional features I will need to buy to have full access to the machine resources :-) I didn't buy anything else than a standard package. They even offer 100GB backup space included. Perfect! Do you guys access the systems through SSH or VNC? Yes and yes. And you can order for free a temporary console if you mess up the boot sequence :) They have 1+ Gbit/s connection etc. Fantastic! So it behaves like an own server, just in a different place. Lovely! ;-) Thanks Markus. -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net Charter Member of OSGeo, http://osgeo.org Member of ACCU, http://accu.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Black Duck Software acquires ohloh.net
Since I talk about Ohloh stats during most of my talks... Begin forwarded message: From: James Barkley james.bark...@gmail.com Date: October 5, 2010 12:31:32 PM PDT To: mil-...@googlegroups.com Subject: [mil-oss] Black Duck Software acquires ohloh.net Reply-To: mil-...@googlegroups.com http://www.blackducksoftware.com/ohloh/press.html WALTHAM, Mass., October 5, 2010 -- Black Duck Software, the leading global provider of products and services for accelerating software development through the managed use of open source software, today announced that it has acquired Ohloh.net from Geeknet, Inc (NASDAQ: GKNT.) The transaction closed on September 30, 2010. Ohloh, founded in 2006, is the largest free public directory of open source software, and also hosts a vibrant web community of software developers and Free and Open Source (FOSS) users. Ohloh’s directory contains information aggregated from over 250,000 public code repositories, projects and forums. Black Duck, which has acquired all assets of the Ohloh property, will maintain and enhance the Ohloh website, brand, and project information for the Ohloh community, and will ultimately combine Ohloh and Koders.com to establish a comprehensive, free resource for developers to find, create, use and manage FOSS. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Military Open Source Software group. To post to this group, send email to mil-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to mil-oss+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mil-oss?hl=en. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
A talk at the recent Location Business Summit and some reading I've done about the semantic web and microformats lately got me to thinking about a standard way to represent places, place names, place data on the web. (I must admit I'm a desktop software guy, not a web programmer.) I thought it would be awesome if there was a way to create a unique URL for places that was somewhat intelligent to humans. If this URL could point to a folder on a server with some basic information about a place, that would be even better. So I took a stab at creating this type of URL for my city, the City of Stockton. Here it is: http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/ You can see the URL follows a logical hierarchy, and it would be easy to determine what the URL for the City of Sacramento, San Joaquin County, or Victory Park in the City of Stockton would be. Obviously the continent/country/state/county/city/location URL pattern would have to change for other parts of the world. I put a very simple HTML file with data about the City of Stockton here: http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/info.html The current info.html file is just a skeleton. It's more of a place holder right now than anything else. My thought was to also put a WKT file (place.wkt) representing the location of the place and a simple text file (data.txt) with facts about the place at this same URL: http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/ Now, if someone wanted to write content about the City of Stockton, they could simply do something like this: a href=http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/uni ted_states_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/S tockton/a If everyone that was putting web content about Stockton online did the same thing, search engine and other tools would be able to link data from this web content to a single location. This becomes even more powerful if we come up with some rules for the content of the info.html file, place.wkt file, and the data text file. Here are some examples: (1) Specify that the place.wkt file have both a point and a polygon WKT representation, or a linestring representation, of the place when appropriate. (2) Specify that the info.html file use a list with alternate place names. This list would be identified with an html class value of alternate_place_names. (3) Specify that the data.txt file contain a relationships section that can contain an optional relationship in the form of: City is the County Seat of County. (Stockton is the County Seat of San Joaquin County.) (4) Standardize the way common place facts are stored in the data.txt file. Population and area are examples. I realize there are some problems with this overall scheme. How do you store a city that straddles a state boundary, for example? Or what if you want to have a URL for the location of the Pacific Garbage Patch? However, I think we could use this system to uniquely identify and describe a lot of places in the world. We could then work on how to handle the edge cases. Is anyone else interested in ironing out the kinks for a system like this? Is there already a system like this in place? (If so, I have just revealed my great ignorance to everyone on this mailing list.) I'm interested in setting something up that could be maintained by a group of geospatial professionals, and not by any one company. I'm not sure how this system I describe would tie in with geonames. My first reaction when I stumbled on geonames is I couldn't find a unique and human understandable URL for a place. Still, I'm interested in microformats and place names, and I'd like to see a system like this that was open and non-proprietary. Let me know what you think. The Sunburned Surveyor Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
...it would be easy to determine what the URL for... Alas, it is not clear to me that, even within the US, there is a universally recognized canonicalization of the place name hierarchy, much less the names themselves. For example, you refer to california, as opposed to state_of_california, and yet you refer to city of stockton as opposed to stockton. Further, strictly speaking certain states actually commonwealths (and, similarly, counties are parishes). And let's not talk about geographic entities that the post office recognizes but the local government does not. The mind, alas, boggles. (But maybe I'm reading more into your proposal than you meant, or I'm taking your example too literally?) -mpg -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Landon Blake Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:46 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Representing Places With Intelligent URLs A talk at the recent Location Business Summit and some reading I've done about the semantic web and microformats lately got me to thinking about a standard way to represent places, place names, place data on the web. (I must admit I'm a desktop software guy, not a web programmer.) I thought it would be awesome if there was a way to create a unique URL for places that was somewhat intelligent to humans. If this URL could point to a folder on a server with some basic information about a place, that would be even better. So I took a stab at creating this type of URL for my city, the City of Stockton. Here it is: http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/ You can see the URL follows a logical hierarchy, and it would be easy to determine what the URL for the City of Sacramento, San Joaquin County, or Victory Park in the City of Stockton would be. Obviously the continent/country/state/county/city/location URL pattern would have to change for other parts of the world. I put a very simple HTML file with data about the City of Stockton here: http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/info.html The current info.html file is just a skeleton. It's more of a place holder right now than anything else. My thought was to also put a WKT file (place.wkt) representing the location of the place and a simple text file (data.txt) with facts about the place at this same URL: http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/ Now, if someone wanted to write content about the City of Stockton, they could simply do something like this: a href=http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/uni ted_states_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/S tockton/a If everyone that was putting web content about Stockton online did the same thing, search engine and other tools would be able to link data from this web content to a single location. This becomes even more powerful if we come up with some rules for the content of the info.html file, place.wkt file, and the data text file. Here are some examples: (1) Specify that the place.wkt file have both a point and a polygon WKT representation, or a linestring representation, of the place when appropriate. (2) Specify that the info.html file use a list with alternate place names. This list would be identified with an html class value of alternate_place_names. (3) Specify that the data.txt file contain a relationships section that can contain an optional relationship in the form of: City is the County Seat of County. (Stockton is the County Seat of San Joaquin County.) (4) Standardize the way common place facts are stored in the data.txt file. Population and area are examples. I realize there are some problems with this overall scheme. How do you store a city that straddles a state boundary, for example? Or what if you want to have a URL for the location of the Pacific Garbage Patch? However, I think we could use this system to uniquely identify and describe a lot of places in the world. We could then work on how to handle the edge cases. Is anyone else interested in ironing out the kinks for a system like this? Is there already a system like this in place? (If so, I have just revealed my great ignorance to everyone on this mailing list.) I'm interested in setting something up that could be maintained by a group of geospatial professionals, and not by any one company. I'm not sure how this system I describe would tie in with geonames. My first reaction when I stumbled on geonames is I couldn't find a unique and human understandable URL for a place. Still, I'm interested in microformats and place names, and I'd like to see a system like this that was open and
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:03:14PM -0700, Michael P. Gerlek wrote: ...it would be easy to determine what the URL for... Alas, it is not clear to me that, even within the US, there is a universally recognized canonicalization of the place name hierarchy, much less the names themselves. For example, you refer to california, as opposed to state_of_california, and yet you refer to city of stockton as opposed to stockton. Further, strictly speaking certain states actually commonwealths (and, similarly, counties are parishes). And let's not talk about geographic entities that the post office recognizes but the local government does not. How about the fact that although some counties contain cities, some cities exist over the border between multiple counties, and other counties are *contained* by cities? (Queens, Manhattan, etc.) How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysart_et_al,_Ontario? Any effort to turn the real world into a standard hierarchy will fail, because the world is Fuzzier than you realize. -- Chris The mind, alas, boggles. (But maybe I'm reading more into your proposal than you meant, or I'm taking your example too literally?) -mpg -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Landon Blake Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:46 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Representing Places With Intelligent URLs A talk at the recent Location Business Summit and some reading I've done about the semantic web and microformats lately got me to thinking about a standard way to represent places, place names, place data on the web. (I must admit I'm a desktop software guy, not a web programmer.) I thought it would be awesome if there was a way to create a unique URL for places that was somewhat intelligent to humans. If this URL could point to a folder on a server with some basic information about a place, that would be even better. So I took a stab at creating this type of URL for my city, the City of Stockton. Here it is: http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/ You can see the URL follows a logical hierarchy, and it would be easy to determine what the URL for the City of Sacramento, San Joaquin County, or Victory Park in the City of Stockton would be. Obviously the continent/country/state/county/city/location URL pattern would have to change for other parts of the world. I put a very simple HTML file with data about the City of Stockton here: http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/info.html The current info.html file is just a skeleton. It's more of a place holder right now than anything else. My thought was to also put a WKT file (place.wkt) representing the location of the place and a simple text file (data.txt) with facts about the place at this same URL: http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/ Now, if someone wanted to write content about the City of Stockton, they could simply do something like this: a href=http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/uni ted_states_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/S tockton/a If everyone that was putting web content about Stockton online did the same thing, search engine and other tools would be able to link data from this web content to a single location. This becomes even more powerful if we come up with some rules for the content of the info.html file, place.wkt file, and the data text file. Here are some examples: (1) Specify that the place.wkt file have both a point and a polygon WKT representation, or a linestring representation, of the place when appropriate. (2) Specify that the info.html file use a list with alternate place names. This list would be identified with an html class value of alternate_place_names. (3) Specify that the data.txt file contain a relationships section that can contain an optional relationship in the form of: City is the County Seat of County. (Stockton is the County Seat of San Joaquin County.) (4) Standardize the way common place facts are stored in the data.txt file. Population and area are examples. I realize there are some problems with this overall scheme. How do you store a city that straddles a state boundary, for example? Or what if you want to have a URL for the location of the Pacific Garbage Patch? However, I think we could use this system to uniquely identify and describe a lot of places in the world. We could then work on how to handle the edge cases. Is anyone else interested in ironing out the kinks for a system like this? Is there
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
All attempts to construct simple ontologies end up reinventing RDF .. ? On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote: How about the fact that although some counties contain cities, some cities exist over the border between multiple counties, and other counties are *contained* by cities? (Queens, Manhattan, etc.) How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysart_et_al,_Ontario? Any effort to turn the real world into a standard hierarchy will fail, because the world is Fuzzier than you realize. -- Chris ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
I understand there are challenges to what I'm trying to accomplish. However, I think you could likely tackle the majority of places with the system I describe, even though it would not be perfect. Yes, there are several ways to designate City of Stockton or State of California. The point of the system I propose is to eliminate some of this ambiguity by settling on one of the possible names for the URL. Alternative place names could be listed in the information for the place stored at the URL. This sort of adheres to the convention over configuration concept. As a web content provider, I don't really care if the URL ends with Stockton or City of Stockton. As long as it uniquely identifies the city, and other people understand this, I get what I want. If everyone creating place URLS understands you say Stockton and not City of Stockton or California and not State of California I think this could work. Once again, I admit there are edge cases that will break the system I proposed, but I think it could be good for 80% of the world. Like I said, I'm not primarily a web guy, and this is new territory for me. However, most of the semantic web stuff I read is why too difficult to understand. It here was a way to uniquely identify a place with an intelligent URL, I would be using it in my own web pages today. Perhaps I am in the minority. I just thought I'd bounce this crazy idea of the list to see if it could float. I got a little excited when I thought about being able to scrape the web for population data of major cities using URLS like this. Perhaps I was being a little naïve in my excitement. Thanks, Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:12 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:03:14PM -0700, Michael P. Gerlek wrote: ...it would be easy to determine what the URL for... Alas, it is not clear to me that, even within the US, there is a universally recognized canonicalization of the place name hierarchy, much less the names themselves. For example, you refer to california, as opposed to state_of_california, and yet you refer to city of stockton as opposed to stockton. Further, strictly speaking certain states actually commonwealths (and, similarly, counties are parishes). And let's not talk about geographic entities that the post office recognizes but the local government does not. How about the fact that although some counties contain cities, some cities exist over the border between multiple counties, and other counties are *contained* by cities? (Queens, Manhattan, etc.) How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysart_et_al,_Ontario? Any effort to turn the real world into a standard hierarchy will fail, because the world is Fuzzier than you realize. -- Chris The mind, alas, boggles. (But maybe I'm reading more into your proposal than you meant, or I'm taking your example too literally?) -mpg -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Landon Blake Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:46 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Representing Places With Intelligent URLs A talk at the recent Location Business Summit and some reading I've done about the semantic web and microformats lately got me to thinking about a standard way to represent places, place names, place data on the web. (I must admit I'm a desktop software guy, not a web programmer.) I thought it would be awesome if there was a way to create a unique URL for places that was somewhat intelligent to humans. If this URL could point to a folder on a server with some basic information about a place, that would be even better. So I took a stab at creating this type of URL for my city, the City of Stockton. Here it is: http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/ You can see the URL follows a logical hierarchy, and it would be easy to determine what the URL for the City of Sacramento, San Joaquin County, or Victory Park in the City of Stockton would be. Obviously the continent/country/state/county/city/location URL pattern would have to change for other parts of the world. I put a very simple HTML file with data about the City of Stockton here: http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/info.html The current info.html file is just a skeleton. It's more of a place holder right now than anything else. My thought was to also put a WKT file (place.wkt) representing the
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but if we could just get enough people to all submit data for their own local areas using arbitrary free-form textual tags and maybe provide a voting mechanism for the best submissions, then we could... Oh, wait -- never mind. -mpg -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Paul Ramsey Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:19 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs All attempts to construct simple ontologies end up reinventing RDF .. ? On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote: How about the fact that although some counties contain cities, some cities exist over the border between multiple counties, and other counties are *contained* by cities? (Queens, Manhattan, etc.) How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysart_et_al,_Ontario? Any effort to turn the real world into a standard hierarchy will fail, because the world is Fuzzier than you realize. -- Chris ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com wrote: could be good for 80% of the world. I wouldn’t go that far... perhaps for 20% of the world, maybe perhaps. I personally know at least a couple of fairly large swaths of this world where no such (or any) structure would fly. -- Puneet Kishor http://www.punkish.org Carbon Model http://carbonmodel.org Charter Member, Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://www.osgeo.org Science Commons Fellow, http://sciencecommons.org/about/whoweare/kishor Nelson Institute, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu --- Assertions are politics; backing up assertions with evidence is science === ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
Textual semantics aside, we do have a natural geographic hierarchy though it's not necessarily any more readily usable :) I remember when I first hear about http://confluence.org/ - that was fun. I met some guys working on this concept that you might find interesting too: http://www.geotude.com/about/nutshell Tyler On 2010-10-05, at 5:17 PM, Landon Blake wrote: I understand there are challenges to what I'm trying to accomplish. However, I think you could likely tackle the majority of places with the system I describe, even though it would not be perfect. Yes, there are several ways to designate City of Stockton or State of California. The point of the system I propose is to eliminate some of this ambiguity by settling on one of the possible names for the URL. Alternative place names could be listed in the information for the place stored at the URL. This sort of adheres to the convention over configuration concept. As a web content provider, I don't really care if the URL ends with Stockton or City of Stockton. As long as it uniquely identifies the city, and other people understand this, I get what I want. If everyone creating place URLS understands you say Stockton and not City of Stockton or California and not State of California I think this could work. Once again, I admit there are edge cases that will break the system I proposed, but I think it could be good for 80% of the world. Like I said, I'm not primarily a web guy, and this is new territory for me. However, most of the semantic web stuff I read is why too difficult to understand. It here was a way to uniquely identify a place with an intelligent URL, I would be using it in my own web pages today. Perhaps I am in the minority. I just thought I'd bounce this crazy idea of the list to see if it could float. I got a little excited when I thought about being able to scrape the web for population data of major cities using URLS like this. Perhaps I was being a little naïve in my excitement. Thanks, Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:12 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:03:14PM -0700, Michael P. Gerlek wrote: ...it would be easy to determine what the URL for... Alas, it is not clear to me that, even within the US, there is a universally recognized canonicalization of the place name hierarchy, much less the names themselves. For example, you refer to california, as opposed to state_of_california, and yet you refer to city of stockton as opposed to stockton. Further, strictly speaking certain states actually commonwealths (and, similarly, counties are parishes). And let's not talk about geographic entities that the post office recognizes but the local government does not. How about the fact that although some counties contain cities, some cities exist over the border between multiple counties, and other counties are *contained* by cities? (Queens, Manhattan, etc.) How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysart_et_al,_Ontario? Any effort to turn the real world into a standard hierarchy will fail, because the world is Fuzzier than you realize. -- Chris The mind, alas, boggles. (But maybe I'm reading more into your proposal than you meant, or I'm taking your example too literally?) -mpg -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Landon Blake Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:46 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Representing Places With Intelligent URLs A talk at the recent Location Business Summit and some reading I've done about the semantic web and microformats lately got me to thinking about a standard way to represent places, place names, place data on the web. (I must admit I'm a desktop software guy, not a web programmer.) I thought it would be awesome if there was a way to create a unique URL for places that was somewhat intelligent to humans. If this URL could point to a folder on a server with some basic information about a place, that would be even better. So I took a stab at creating this type of URL for my city, the City of Stockton. Here it is: http://www.standardwebmarkup.org/standard_places/north_america/united_st ates_of_america/california/san_joaquin_county/city_of_stockton/ You can see the URL follows a logical hierarchy, and it would be easy to determine what the URL for the City of Sacramento, San Joaquin County, or Victory Park in the City of Stockton would be. Obviously the continent/country/state/county/city/location URL pattern would have to change for other
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
On 2010-10-05, at 5:32 PM, P Kishor wrote: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Landon Blake lbl...@ksninc.com wrote: could be good for 80% of the world. I wouldn’t go that far... perhaps for 20% of the world, maybe perhaps. I personally know at least a couple of fairly large swaths of this world where no such (or any) structure would fly. Well one would hope it they would at least fall into /standard_places/planet_earth :)___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:18:47PM -0700, Paul Ramsey wrote: All attempts to construct simple ontologies end up reinventing RDF .. ? That was actually my first thought when I saw this: Hey look, someone else reinventing RDFa! :) Seriously, I say this with a bit of knowledge; I mean, after all, I sort of work on making places searchable on maps. For a company with a pretty big set of data about the hierarchy of the world. It's a lot fuzzier than you think :) Also, Landon, I do highly recommend looking into RDF -- specifically, RDFa -- because I think it's heading in a very similar direction to what you're describing, without the need for some all-world-hierarchy to tie it to, which might actually help you get a bit further. -- Chris On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote: How about the fact that although some counties contain cities, some cities exist over the border between multiple counties, and other counties are *contained* by cities? (Queens, Manhattan, etc.) How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysart_et_al,_Ontario? Any effort to turn the real world into a standard hierarchy will fail, because the world is Fuzzier than you realize. -- Chris ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
Chris, I'll look into rdfa. Thanks for the suggestion. Landon Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote: Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:18:47PM -0700, Paul Ramsey wrote: All attempts to construct simple ontologies end up reinventing RDF .. ? That was actually my first thought when I saw this: Hey look, someone else reinventing RDFa! :) Seriously, I say this with a bit of knowledge; I mean, after all, I sort of work on making places searchable on maps. For a company with a pretty big set of data about the hierarchy of the world. It's a lot fuzzier than you think :) Also, Landon, I do highly recommend looking into RDF -- specifically, RDFa -- because I think it's heading in a very similar direction to what you're describing, without the need for some all-world-hierarchy to tie it to, which might actually help you get a bit further. You might want to look at http://www.geonames.org/ontology/ which RDFs the GeoNames database. Ian -- Ian Turton ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Representing Places With Intelligent URLs
The geonames ontology looks like it might work for me. I'll read it over tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion. Landon Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 05:18:47PM -0700, Paul Ramsey wrote: All attempts to construct simple ontologies end up reinventing RDF . ? That was actually my first thought when I saw this: Hey look, someone else reinventing RDFa! :) Seriously, I say this with a bit of knowledge; I mean, after all, I sort of work on making places searchable on maps. For a company with a pretty big set of data about the hierarchy of the world. It's a lot fuzzier than you think :) Also, Landon, I do highly recommend looking into RDF -- specifically, RDFa -- because I think it's heading in a very similar direction to what you're describing, without the need for some all-world-hierarchy to tie it to, which might actually help you get a bit further. You might want to look at http://www.geonames.org/ontology/ which RDFs the GeoNames database. Ian -- Ian Turton ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
