Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

2016-02-21 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor 

> On Feb 22, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
>  wrote:
> 
> For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai


Correct. The current going rate is about 15¢ or 10p.




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

2016-02-21 Thread Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
Venka and All,

For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai, I am not a 
fan of code sprints. Show me any lasting results of those events. As a former 
High School science teacher (almost 30 years ago), I sensed that real character 
development (and results) came from more serious application of efforts, the 
kind of project-based efforts that get accomplished by small teams over 
academic quarters or semesters of time. 

This is some of the thinking that went into designing the Europa Challenge that 
NASA runs in concert with Politecnico di Milano at Como. We certainly welcome 
any support our young champions might benefit from that the OSGEO Foundation 
might wish to provide. 

Whatever process there is for making the request, we would like to apply 
please. 

-Patrick
 (650) 604-5656 (office)
 (650) 269-2788 (cell)

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From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Venkatesh 
Raghavan
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:25 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Hi Mike,

I agree with you. My suggestion to spread out the code sprint was only to 
ensure that the community has some idea some idea when the sprint could be 
expected and when/how to request OSGeo Foundation for support.

I would like to see more an more code sprints (also incubation sprints etc.) 
being organized in the future being as and when the community finds it 
necessary.

I think, we only need to ensure that the procedure to request for support and 
guidelines to be followed are know to everyone in our community.

Best

Venka

On 2/22/2016 3:07 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't think there is a reason to have code sprints coordinate their 
> times to spread them out over the year. They should run when they need 
> to run. We don't have a cash flow issue that would require this.
>
> And for the Paris Code Sprint, although a request was made, it does 
> not appear at this time that it will be needed with the carryover 
> funding and with the sponsorships.
>
> I firmly agree that Code Sprints are one of the more important things 
> that the foundation does and if there are worthy candidates for 
> funding, then I, for one, would like to see our budget expand to cover 
> these. What we have now is just an expectation based on past support, 
> but if new ones come along that meet our guidelines, I don't see a 
> reason not to support them no matter the time period or if they exceed our 
> current budget.
>
> Mike
>
> 
> Michael Smith
> OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
> treasu...@osgeo.org
>
> From:  Board  on behalf of Venkatesh 
> Raghavan 
> Date:  Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 6:35 PM
> To:  OSGeo Discussions , OSGeo Board 
> 
> Subject:  Re: [Board] Funding code Sprints
>
>>  
>>   
>> Dear All,
>>   
>>   Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
>>   possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
>>   sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.
>>   
>>   I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four
>>   periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
>>   and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
>>   conference.
>>   
>>   OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016), 
>> fits very well
>>   for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup of projects
>>   and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].
>>   
>>   Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our
>>   largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that
>>   OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as
>>   an official event for the July-September period.
>>   
>>   Best
>>   
>>   Venka
>>   
>>   [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016
>>   
>>   
>>   On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>   
>>   
>>>   
>>> Dear All,
>>> this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within 
>>> the board directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.
>>>
>>> Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without 
>>> any specific plan.
>>> Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that 
>>> as i believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up 
>>> advances and was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has 
>>> been allocated.
>>>
>>> With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the 
>>> different
>>> communities:
>>>
>>> - who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. 
>>> This will give an idea of the number of expected requests.
>>>
>>> - do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and 
>>> eventually what is your choice motivation?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Maxi

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

2016-02-21 Thread Venkatesh Raghavan 

Hi Mike,

I agree with you. My suggestion to spread out the code sprint was only
to ensure that the community has some idea some idea when
the sprint could be expected and when/how to request OSGeo
Foundation for support.

I would like to see more an more code sprints (also incubation sprints
etc.) being organized in the future being as and when the community
finds it necessary.

I think, we only need to ensure that the procedure to request for 
support and

guidelines to be followed are know to everyone in our community.

Best

Venka

On 2/22/2016 3:07 PM, Michael Smith wrote:

All,

I don't think there is a reason to have code sprints coordinate their times
to spread them out over the year. They should run when they need to run. We
don't have a cash flow issue that would require this.

And for the Paris Code Sprint, although a request was made, it does not
appear at this time that it will be needed with the carryover funding and
with the sponsorships.

I firmly agree that Code Sprints are one of the more important things that
the foundation does and if there are worthy candidates for funding, then I,
for one, would like to see our budget expand to cover these. What we have
now is just an expectation based on past support, but if new ones come along
that meet our guidelines, I don't see a reason not to support them no matter
the time period or if they exceed our current budget.

Mike


Michael Smith
OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
treasu...@osgeo.org

From:  Board  on behalf of Venkatesh Raghavan

Date:  Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 6:35 PM
To:  OSGeo Discussions , OSGeo Board

Subject:  Re: [Board] Funding code Sprints

 
  
Dear All,
  
  Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be

  possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
  sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.
  
  I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four

  periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
  and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
  conference.
  
  OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016), fits very

well
  for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup of projects
  and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].
  
  Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our

  largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that
  OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as
  an official event for the July-September period.
  
  Best
  
  Venka
  
  [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016
  
  
  On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
  
  
  
Dear All,

this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board
directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.

Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any
specific plan.
Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as i
believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and
was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.

With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different
communities:

- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This
will give an idea of the number of expected requests.

- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually
what is your choice motivation?


Thank you,

Maxi



  
   
  
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

2016-02-21 Thread Jody Garnett 
On 20 February 2016 at 01:07, Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

> With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the
> different communities:
>
> - who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This
> will give an idea of the number of expected requests.
>

Thanks to OSGeo both providing funds, and providing backup, for the
GeoServer sprint. No further sprints are planned in 2016.

I think that providing backup-funding is a more valuable use of OSGeo
resources - it enables planning to start early before "enough" sponsorship
is in place.
(I am really glad to see such generous sponsorship  of the paris code
sprint!)


> - do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually
> what is your choice motivation?
>

There is not a bad list of criteria in the wiki:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Code_Sprint_Guidelines

*When deciding to support a sprint, OSGeo should follow these guidelines:*


   -
*OSGeo has a limited budget, and gives priority to proposals which provide
   value to a wide OSGeo community. Greater value might be achieved by
   incorporating sprints from multiple OSGeo projects into one, or by
   extending the code sprint to incorporate virtual participants from around
   the world. *
   -
*OSGeo should not be the sole source of funding for the event. OSGeo
   prefers sprints to be partially funded by third-party sponsors, and may
   choose to provide funding "matching" the amount of sponsorship money raised
   for the event. OSGeo's contribution should go towards reducing the net cost
   for participants instead of for instance supporting a more expensive venue
   or setup. *
   - *OSGeo understands that some events may require up-front costs, e.g.
   for deposits, and some events may present a financial risk, e.g. if the
   number of attendees is not met. Instead of direct funding, OSGeo may
   provide "back-stop" funding and assume the liability risk.*

Criteria:
- OSGeo projects represented (although sprint open to all like minded
projects it would be a shame to have an OSGeo sprint with no OSGeo
projects).

Recommended:
- Multiple projects participation (cross project communication is great for
community building - "we are in it together" feeling)

Ideal:
- Cross project activities (say integration testing between several osgeo
projects, or a joint initiative)
- Sprint focused on OSGeo goals (incubation sprint, website sprint,
education outreach sprint)
- Sprint focused on a partner goal (say a sprint focused on OGC CITE
testing)

Thanks for facilitating this conversation Maxi
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

2016-02-21 Thread Michael Smith 
All,

I don't think there is a reason to have code sprints coordinate their times
to spread them out over the year. They should run when they need to run. We
don't have a cash flow issue that would require this.

And for the Paris Code Sprint, although a request was made, it does not
appear at this time that it will be needed with the carryover funding and
with the sponsorships.

I firmly agree that Code Sprints are one of the more important things that
the foundation does and if there are worthy candidates for funding, then I,
for one, would like to see our budget expand to cover these. What we have
now is just an expectation based on past support, but if new ones come along
that meet our guidelines, I don't see a reason not to support them no matter
the time period or if they exceed our current budget.

Mike


Michael Smith
OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
treasu...@osgeo.org

From:  Board  on behalf of Venkatesh Raghavan

Date:  Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 6:35 PM
To:  OSGeo Discussions , OSGeo Board

Subject:  Re: [Board] Funding code Sprints

> 
>  
> Dear All, 
>  
>  Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
>  possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
>  sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.
>  
>  I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four
>  periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
>  and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
>  conference. 
>  
>  OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016), fits very
> well
>  for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup of projects
>  and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].
>  
>  Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our
>  largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that
>  OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as
>  an official event for the July-September period.
>  
>  Best
>  
>  Venka 
>  
>  [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016
>  
>  
>  On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>  
>  
>>  
>> Dear All,
>> this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board
>> directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.
>> 
>> Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any
>> specific plan.
>> Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as i
>> believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and
>> was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.
>> 
>> With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different
>> communities:
>> 
>> - who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This
>> will give an idea of the number of expected requests.
>> 
>> - do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually
>> what is your choice motivation?
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Maxi
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

2016-02-21 Thread Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
Venka,
Does it get easier than this for having the whole world in the palm of your 
hand?
Be sure “Auto-run” in the third column is checked:
http://jsbin.com/canayolane/1/edit?html,js,output


From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Hogan, 
Patrick (ARC-PX)
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 6:41 PM
To: Venkatesh Raghavan; OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Venka,

I’m just suggesting that it be included under “Project Plans” here 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016

Just asking that one line ‘Europa Challenge’ and URL simply be included there 
on the webpage, as an ‘approved’ Project Plan. The Europa Challenge is a 
well-designed ‘code sprint’ opportunity for doing this world some good. So it 
would seem a good way for the Code Sprinters to double-down on their efforts 
while fully supporting the OSGEO Code Sprint Paris 2016.

I too am not connected in that realm, so am quite alien to making this idea 
work.

But the Europa Challenge has respectable pedigree and deserves the attention.

Anyway, just a thought. . .
-Patrick

From: Venkatesh Raghavan [mailto:ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 6:28 PM
To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Hi Patrick,

On 2/22/2016 9:32 AM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:

Venka,



Howdy! Any reason why the Paris Code Sprint couldn’t include the Europa 
Challenge criteria?

I am not sure that I understand what you mean by "include the Europa Challenge 
criteria".
Since the Europa Challenge is open to all [1], I do not see any reason why the 
project
team or individuals participating in the code sprint cannot send in their 
entries  for
the Europa Challenge.

I would encourage you (or Maria) to send the info about the Europa Challenge to 
the
Code Sprint ML [2] (I am not subscribed to the list). You request the 
organizers to
print the Europa Challenge brochure [3] and leave copies at the registration
desk of the Code Sprint venue to increase visibility amongst the Paris Code
Sprinters.

Best

Venka

[1] http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/
[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/tosprint
[3] 
http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/sites/default/files/Europa_Challenge-Flyer.pdf



They would simply use the Europa Challenge criteria submit their results there 
in addition to the Paris Code Sprint!



Then that code sprint would be getting *double exposure* and have a shot at the 
NASA Crystal Bull, http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/



That’s two finish lines for the price of one sprint!



We will treat Code Sprinters as grad students or SME, no mentor required.



-Patrick

(650) 604-5656 (office)

(650) 269-2788 (cell)



From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Venkatesh 
Raghavan

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:35 PM

To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board

Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints



Dear All,



Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be

possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar

sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.



I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four

periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec

and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual

conference.



OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016),

fits very well for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup

of projects and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].



Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our

largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that

OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as

an official event for the July-September period.



Best



Venka



[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016





On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:



Dear All,



this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board 
directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.



Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any specific 
plan.



Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as I 
believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and was 
so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.



With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different 
communities:



- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This will 
give an idea of the number of expected requests.



- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually what 
is your choice motivation?



Thank you,

Maxi


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2016-02-21 Thread Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
Venka,

I’m just suggesting that it be included under “Project Plans” here 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016

Just asking that one line ‘Europa Challenge’ and URL simply be included there 
on the webpage, as an ‘approved’ Project Plan. The Europa Challenge is a 
well-designed ‘code sprint’ opportunity for doing this world some good. So it 
would seem a good way for the Code Sprinters to double-down on their efforts 
while fully supporting the OSGEO Code Sprint Paris 2016.

I too am not connected in that realm, so am quite alien to making this idea 
work.

But the Europa Challenge has respectable pedigree and deserves the attention.

Anyway, just a thought. . .
-Patrick

From: Venkatesh Raghavan [mailto:ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 6:28 PM
To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Hi Patrick,

On 2/22/2016 9:32 AM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:

Venka,



Howdy! Any reason why the Paris Code Sprint couldn’t include the Europa 
Challenge criteria?

I am not sure that I understand what you mean by "include the Europa Challenge 
criteria".
Since the Europa Challenge is open to all [1], I do not see any reason why the 
project
team or individuals participating in the code sprint cannot send in their 
entries  for
the Europa Challenge.

I would encourage you (or Maria) to send the info about the Europa Challenge to 
the
Code Sprint ML [2] (I am not subscribed to the list). You request the 
organizers to
print the Europa Challenge brochure [3] and leave copies at the registration
desk of the Code Sprint venue to increase visibility amongst the Paris Code
Sprinters.

Best

Venka

[1] http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/
[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/tosprint
[3] 
http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/sites/default/files/Europa_Challenge-Flyer.pdf






They would simply use the Europa Challenge criteria submit their results there 
in addition to the Paris Code Sprint!



Then that code sprint would be getting *double exposure* and have a shot at the 
NASA Crystal Bull, http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/



That’s two finish lines for the price of one sprint!



We will treat Code Sprinters as grad students or SME, no mentor required.



-Patrick

(650) 604-5656 (office)

(650) 269-2788 (cell)



From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Venkatesh 
Raghavan

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:35 PM

To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board

Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints



Dear All,



Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be

possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar

sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.



I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four

periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec

and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual

conference.



OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016),

fits very well for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup

of projects and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].



Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our

largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that

OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as

an official event for the July-September period.



Best



Venka



[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016





On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:



Dear All,



this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board



directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.







Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any



specific plan.



Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as i



believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and



was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.







With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different



communities:







- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This



will give an idea of the number of expected requests.







- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually



what is your choice motivation?











Thank you,







Maxi





















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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

2016-02-21 Thread Venkatesh Raghavan 

Hi Patrick,

On 2/22/2016 9:32 AM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:

Venka,

Howdy! Any reason why the Paris Code Sprint couldn’t include the Europa 
Challenge criteria?


I am not sure that I understand what you mean by "include the Europa 
Challenge criteria".
Since the Europa Challenge is open to all [1], I do not see any reason 
why the project
team or individuals participating in the code sprint cannot send in 
their entries  for

the Europa Challenge.

I would encourage you (or Maria) to send the info about the Europa 
Challenge to the
Code Sprint ML [2] (I am not subscribed to the list). You request the 
organizers to

print the Europa Challenge brochure [3] and leave copies at the registration
desk of the Code Sprint venue to increase visibility amongst the Paris Code
Sprinters.

Best

Venka

[1] http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/
[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/tosprint
[3] 
http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/sites/default/files/Europa_Challenge-Flyer.pdf


They would simply use the Europa Challenge criteria submit their results there 
in addition to the Paris Code Sprint!

Then that code sprint would be getting *double exposure* and have a shot at the 
NASA Crystal Bull, http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/

That’s two finish lines for the price of one sprint!

We will treat Code Sprinters as grad students or SME, no mentor required.

-Patrick
(650) 604-5656 (office)
(650) 269-2788 (cell)

From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Venkatesh 
Raghavan
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:35 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Dear All,

Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.

I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four
periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
conference.

OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016),
fits very well for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup
of projects and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].

Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our
largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that
OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as
an official event for the July-September period.

Best

Venka

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016


On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

Dear All,

this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board

directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.



Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any

specific plan.

Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as i

believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and

was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.



With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different

communities:



- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This

will give an idea of the number of expected requests.



- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually

what is your choice motivation?





Thank you,



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

2016-02-21 Thread Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
Venka,

Howdy! Any reason why the Paris Code Sprint couldn’t include the Europa 
Challenge criteria?

They would simply use the Europa Challenge criteria submit their results there 
in addition to the Paris Code Sprint!

Then that code sprint would be getting *double exposure* and have a shot at the 
NASA Crystal Bull, http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/

That’s two finish lines for the price of one sprint!

We will treat Code Sprinters as grad students or SME, no mentor required.

-Patrick
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Raghavan
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:35 PM
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Dear All,

Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.

I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four
periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
conference.

OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016),
fits very well for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup
of projects and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].

Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our
largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that
OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as
an official event for the July-September period.

Best

Venka

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016


On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

Dear All,

this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board

directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.



Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any

specific plan.

Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as i

believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and

was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.



With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different

communities:



- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This

will give an idea of the number of expected requests.



- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually

what is your choice motivation?





Thank you,



Maxi










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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

2016-02-21 Thread Venkatesh Raghavan 

Dear All,

Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.

I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four
periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
conference.

OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016), fits 
very well

for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup of projects
and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].

Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our
largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that
OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as
an official event for the July-September period.

Best

Venka

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016


On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

Dear All,
this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board
directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.

Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any
specific plan.
Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as i
believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and
was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.

With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different
communities:

- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This
will give an idea of the number of expected requests.

- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually
what is your choice motivation?


Thank you,

Maxi





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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W maintenance activities

2016-02-21 Thread Jürgen E . Fischer 
Hi Even,

On Sun, 21. Feb 2016 at 16:16:52 +0100, Even Rouault wrote:
> Perhaps for example for GDAL packaging, I could try to see if there's someone
> volunteering in the community to look after that one. Would be cool to have a
> gdal-dev packge for example. I guess there might be some optional drivers for
> which plugins aren't yet packages

Maybe. ECW, MrSid, FileGDB and Oracle that need extra dependencies are there.


> But looking at https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/, it is not clear where (if I
> were that volunteer) to start with. For example is there some VM with
> compilers pre-installed and build recipes of existing packages ?

No, there is none.  The packages are built on the individual packager's
machines.  I think Frank at some point started to set a public machine up - but
I'm not sure how far that got.


> I guess https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/PackagingInstructions could
> benefit from a step-by-step howto demonstrating howto create a new version.
> Hum actually I see that there are -src.tar.bz2 packages for GDAL at
> http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/x86_64/release/gdal/, but I cannot find the
> equivalent for QGIS at http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/x86_64/release/qgis/

The QGIS packaging is in the qgis repository
(ms-windows/osgeo4w/package(-nightly).cmd) and the grass packaging in grass'
(mswindows/osgeo4w).

Most of my other packages have recipes in -src.tar.bz2.  Some that are not
actually built but repackaged from binaries from elsewhere might not have
recipes (I would have to check).


> I was wondering how the automated build of QGIS was managed. There must be a
> server somewhere that does the builds and uploads them ?

Sure.  That machine is in my office.  Martin also operates a machine somewhere
dealing with the GRASS nightlies.   Tamas also had nightlies of mapscript
(which I think have stopped for some time) - probably on the same server that
is building the gisinternals binaries.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Funding code Sprints

2016-02-21 Thread Astrid Emde (OSGeo) 

Hello Maxi, hello board,

thanks for your discussion about funding code sprints. It is great to 
have a budget to support sprints.


   1. - who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 
2016


We (from the FOSS4G 2016 team) are close to ask you for funding the code 
sprint before and after the FOSS4G 2016 in Bonn.


https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2016_Code_Sprint
We are in progress to build up the "ask for sponsoring page" here.
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:FOSS4G_2016_Code_Sprint


   2. - do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and
   eventually what is your choice motivation?



It would be great to support OSGeo project code sprints like Bolsena, 
QGIS dev-meetings, ctribe meeings, OSGeo board meetings and so on all 
over the world to support the community, to let OSGeo people get to know 
each other, to improve the OSGeo projects.


OSGeo board - thank for your work!

Astrid



Am 2016-02-20 10:07, schrieb Massimiliano Cannata:

Dear All,
this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the
board directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.

Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any
specific plan.
Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that
as i believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up
advances and was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources
has been allocated.

With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the
different communities:

- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016.
This will give an idea of the number of expected requests.

- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and
eventually what is your choice motivation?

Thank you,

Maxi

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W maintenance activities

2016-02-21 Thread Even Rouault 
> Early after I joined there was still Frank Warmerdam who did a lot - but
> that got less over time.  Matt Wilkie did some work on python.  And Martin
> Landa took over GRASS.  Except for some people on-and-off that's about it
> - the rest mostly ended up here.

Jürgen,

Perhaps for example for GDAL packaging, I could try to see if there's someone 
volunteering in the community to look after that one. Would be cool to have a 
gdal-dev packge for example. I guess there might be some optional drivers for 
which plugins aren't yet packages

But looking at https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/, it is not clear where (if I 
were that volunteer) to start with. For example is there some VM with 
compilers pre-installed and build recipes of existing packages ?
I guess https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/PackagingInstructions could benefit 
from a step-by-step howto demonstrating howto create a new version.
Hum actually I see that there are -src.tar.bz2 packages for GDAL at 
http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/x86_64/release/gdal/ , but I cannot find the 
equivalent for QGIS at http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/x86_64/release/qgis/

I was wondering how the automated build of QGIS was managed. There must be a 
server somewhere that does the builds and uploads them ?

Even

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W maintenance activities

2016-02-21 Thread Jürgen E . Fischer 
Hi Markus,

On Sun, 21. Feb 2016 at 15:47:00 +0100, Markus Neteler wrote:
> since I'm not familiar with compilation on Windows, could you briefly
> indicate what's needed / which efforts to compile GRASS GIS with MSVC rather
> than mingw given the recent efforts on the 64bit packaging?  Just to better
> understand...

Not sure.  I'd probably start with moving the build system to CMake.  Like I
already did for just the GRASS libraries at some point in the past (some code
changes I submitted to make the libraries build with MSVC were also accepted
back then).

But moving all the modules there is probably a much bigger task and I'm also
not sure about the acceptance of this. ;)

It might also be possible to integrate msvc into configure/make (at least I
think I've seen configures with MSVC stuff in them).  Although you'd still need
a unix like shell, make and other tools from mingw/cygwin.  But I never
explored that option (mainly just because the CMake approach went much better
with what I needed for QGIS).

But again GRASS works fine in OSGeo4W AFAICT (and as you know and that's still
not much ;)) and hence I don't see the big problem of mixing MinGW and MSVC
DLLs.  It doesn't add much to the mess of having different MSVC compilers and
runtimes around.   IMHO that part of Rashad's issue is just a CMake bug and not
a fundamental flaw in OSGeo4W.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W maintenance activities

2016-02-21 Thread Markus Neteler 
Hi Jürgen,

since I'm not familiar with compilation on Windows, could you briefly
indicate what's needed / which efforts to compile GRASS GIS with MSVC
rather than mingw given the recent efforts on the 64bit packaging?
Just to better understand...

Thanks,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W maintenance activities

2016-02-21 Thread Jürgen E . Fischer 
Hi Rashad,

On Sun, 21. Feb 2016 at 12:13:09 +0530, Rashad Kanavath wrote:
> one is enough for an example.

Sure, but not mentioning that it's the only one, might produce a wrong
impression ;)


> I agree on the ABI stability issue and usage of C api if available and I do
> think that OSSIM should switch to Geos C API.  This is good for not only
> osgeo4W but also for debian and other linux distro packages.

Ah, ok.  I didn't gain that impression from the earlier discussion.  What does
it take to get there?

 
> Apart from ossim issue, There is mixing of mingw (grass, IIRC) and msvc dlls
> in osgeo4w installation. A user does know nothing about these situation. As
> you know mixing dlls like these can be dangerous and is one of the reasons, I
> can't use cmake 3.0 or higher with any osgeo4w package.

But again only for very specific development things (ie. NSIS packages; just
because CMake implies that it can use dumpbin on all linked DLLs, when it's
using MSVC to build - which is wrong in our case).

And that IMHO is also important to mention to give a true impression.  We are
using cmake 3 in QGIS just fine.  But we're not using CPack to build NSIS
installers, but produce them from OSGeo4W packages.

Anyway, GRASS isn't buildable with MSVC.  That's out of my hands.  The
alternative to mixing DLLs would be to build everything with MinGW.  That
wouldn't help in your case either, would it?


> If there is a compiler selection, then user can choose mingw, maybe there
> will be only grass for now...

People usually pick the application they want to use and not the compiler it
was made with.  At least IMHO that's what OSGeo4W is mainly about - shipping
applications and not libraries.


> I understand your argument that someone needs to create so many package for
> osgeo4w and none will be giving it to osgeo4w. Well, This is wrong. At least
> history says so..

Well, my original motivation to switching from using my own builds of libraries
needed for QGIS to using libraries from OSGeo4W and also moving QGIS there, was
that I expected that projects would contribute and maintain their share - and
so I could save time.  That was wrong.

Early after I joined there was still Frank Warmerdam who did a lot - but that
got less over time.  Matt Wilkie did some work on python.  And Martin Landa
took over GRASS.  Except for some people on-and-off that's about it - the rest
mostly ended up here.

My initial move didn't really pay off - and thinking about it, I'm not really
sure that I'm better off now ;)


> There is ossim package only because otb needs ossim. same for opencv and itk,
> I guess. So nobody will upload those packages is incorrect. AFAICT, ossim,
> itk, opencv are built using msvc2010 is only because osgeo4w sticks to that
> version. All of these compile nicely on MSVC2015.

I think everything also compile with newer versions - that's not the problem.
It just means you have to rebuild everything - including existing stuff - with
newer compilers. Unless you stick to C APIs, then you can build OSSIM with
whatever you want and still use the libraries built with other compilers
(including MinGW - although that needs some extra effort - see mklibs in
GRASS).

Some things however are useless without C++ (eg. Qt) and tie us to one compiler
- or a huge number of packages.  So I choose to stick with one compiler for
stuff I added for QGIS that uses C++ API (like Qt, PyQt, qwt).

Simply because don't see any reason to produce QGIS packages with a variety of
compilers and in turn no benefit in producing any for dependencies - of which
QGIS couldn't use just one anyway.


> For any C library, geos-c api, gdal C api etc.. the libs can be reused in
> other version of compiler. So they are available irrespective of the selected
> compiler version. Only those with c++ will be missing depending on the
> package vendor or the decision of upstream developers.

Again IMHO OSGeo4W is for users and not for "upstream" developers.  This might
explain a lot about where I'm coming from.

The development libraries inside are just there to support other OSGeo4W
packages - not to support a wide variety of "upstream" setups.


> Also if the choose mingw, grass will be there along with all the C API ed
> libraries that are compiled on msvc for now. And who knows in future grass
> developers will be setting up a mingw build for osgeo4w?

Of course that is a bit cumbersome - but it works.  And if the GRASS people
ever lose interest, I probably will pick it up again (unless QGIS looses
interest in GRASS - which I don't see either).

But as "well" as earlier: When I did the 64bit build, I added the then current
GRASS 6.4.3 to it and everyone was left with that until recently, when Martin
picked up the 64bit build - earlier he was only doing 32bit builds (although
everything else was already in place for 64bit).

So GRASS support won't be as good as it currently is, but still a little bit
better than much of the other stuff in OSGeo4W 32bit

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] OpenCitySmart the UN and LiDAR and every City on Earth!

2016-02-21 Thread Suchith Anand 
Dear colleagues,

I am requesting all  universities and SMEs to please inform this challenge to 
their students and staff and encourage active participation. It is a great 
opportunity for everyone to contribute and collaborate in a global challenge.

So please share the Europa  worldwide international challenge 
http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/  with your students and SMEs worldwide. It 
will also be a great dissertation project for your undergraduate , master 
students etc as well as contribute to help build open innovation tools  for the 
benefit of cities  worldwide.

For education,  i believe that  Open educational Principles are fundamental to 
empower people and communities to make sure future generations are fully 
empowered [1]. There are many examples that helped us reach this decision.  
Randal Hale gave of one example [2] on the issues on updates etc faced by a 
particular high school in USA.  I thought it is NOT a local problem but  a 
wider education problem that as educators we need to be aware of. That example 
was a real eye opener of the long term costs/sustainability issues of 
properitory GIS software in geoeducation and hence i decided to take action and 
contact AAG [3] when i learnt they were planning to use properitery GIS only 
for their geoeducation program and humbly requesting AAG to include open 
principles in Geoeducation and make use of FOSS4G tools. If the vendor decides 
to withdraw or change the conditions of thier offer to schools now or at any 
stage in the future what will happen to the poor schools. This is my biggest 
worry. Basically schools will be at the mercy of the  vendor. The vendor can 
change thier mind any time.

As part of my research work at the University of Nottingham over the last 10 
years,  i have worked with many different organisations in various research 
projects from not for profit foundations to properitary companies and i think 
everyone has their right to be part and contribute thier value addition to the 
wider geo ecosystem . Having many players is key for ensuring strong 
competition and making sure there are no monopolies created.

It is also important they all companies play by the rules (it doesn't matter if 
they are open source company or properitary company) , noone should not use 
thier dominant market position to create monopoly directly or indirectly. That 
was why we decided to educate the geocommunity when there was efforts to 
undermine Open standards in LiDAR for example [4], [5]. All this is based on 
our supporting Open principles in education and working for Openness can help 
to reduce inequality and create quality education and digital economy 
opportunities for our bottom billions brothers and sisters worldwide   [6] and  
help create a world that is more accessible, equitable and full of innovation 
and opportunities for everyone.


Best wishes,

Suchith

[1] 
http://opensourcegeospatial.icaci.org/2016/02/future-of-gis-should-be-empowerment-not-enslavement-examples-needed-for-geo4all-newsletter/
[2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-June/014310.html 

[3] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2015-June/001742.html
[4] http://www.osgeo.org/node/1518
[5] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
[6] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2016-February/005083.html




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To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
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ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] OpenCitySmart the UN and LiDAR and every City on 
Earth!

https://twitter.com/muttmike22/status/700371670234583042



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
> wrote:
A Challenge for All of YOU,

Anybody who gets three teams to participate in the Europa Challenge,
as long as those teams end up in the top 20, not too tough to do,
I will see that person gets their own NASA Crystal Bull!

http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/

That is how important I believe this challenge is, for the students,
the SMEs and all the rest of us who will benefit from the progress
those teams provide to our world.

Providing for cities and helping them to work together is essential!
If we are ever to move forward together into a sustainable world!

-Patrick
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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 5:15 AM
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