Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] R: [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Codrina Maria Ilie]

Dear Maxi,

I agree with Maria.

In my understanding, the Data4All initiative should be self standing 
within OSGeo.


My reasons revolve around the idea that open (geo)data extends far 
beyond the public sector (data collected and/or produced by national 
agencies within monitoring activities) or the academic sector (data 
produced and/or collected within various research projects or by 
students for their thesis). OSM, HOT wouldn't really fit in any of the 
mentioned.
Furthermore, open (geo)data extended further than the realm of 
geoscience, thus I think Data4All should be a initiative, project (call 
it as one may) with a broad perspective and not confined within the 
boundaries of what we have now within OSGeo.


My2c.

Cheers,
Codrina




On 21/10/16 15:20, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:

Dear Maxi
In my opinion it is more a Committee than a working group inside another
one. The data, with their variety, are more than those of direct
interest in science.
My 2 cents.
Maria



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Da: Massimiliano Cannata 
Data: 21/10/2016 12:02 (GMT+01:00)
A: Codrina Maria Ilie 
Cc: OSGeo Discussions 
Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

Dear Codrina and Angelos,
as co-chair of the Open Geoscience committe as you showed interest in
re-vitalising the open data stuff, I would like to invite you to form
and lead a specific working group within the Open Geoscience Committee.
We have already set a WG for open monitoring system which is very
oriented to produce Open Data from field observations in "near real time".

I also think it would be great to set-up an OSGeo CKan server for
promoting this and I would be very interested in contributing to this.

please, let me know your opinion on this.

Best,
maxi






2016-10-21 11:24 GMT+02:00 Codrina Maria Ilie >:

Dear Venka,

Good idea! I will gladly start setting the wiki page within the next
days.

Cheers,
Codrina



On 21/10/16 12:07, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:

Hi Codrina,

On 2016/10/21 17:09, Codrina Maria Ilie wrote:

Dear Venka, all

I would gladly join forces in a Data4All initiative with
OSM, HOT and
other Open Data communities, as well.


That's great! Shall we start with setting up a wiki page and
inviting others to join the Data4All initiative?

Best

Venka


Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 02:27, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:


Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
the recent e-mail [2]. I would be happy to work together
with
anyone who would like to take up on forming the "Data4All"
initiative with OSM, HOT and others in the Open Data
community.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Jody Garnett]

The website committee has been dissolved, making this a more self-servce
experience.

All committee chairs (and foundation officers) should now how website edit
access; if we missed anyone please comment on
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1789

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On 20 October 2016 at 08:20, Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

> dear Board,
> in the OSGeo landing page (www.osgeo.org) in the "OSGeo projects" frame
> are listed the so called "Outreach Projects".
>
> To my understanding and knowledge these listed projects (Public Geospatial
> Data, Education and Curriculum, OSGeo Live) have not been nor incubated nor
> graduated.
>
> I'm therefore asking for clarification, and in the case my understanding
> is correct, to immediately remove these projects from the landing page.
>
> Two of them are actually committee, at the same level of the other OSGeo
> committee, that in my opinion should be equally promoted and listed
> togheter.
>
> Best,
> Maxi
>
>
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Jody Garnett]

I would tend to think of GeoForAll/Geo4All/geo4all, osgeo-live, etc... as
"Initiatives" rather than software projects.

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On 20 October 2016 at 08:20, Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

> dear Board,
> in the OSGeo landing page (www.osgeo.org) in the "OSGeo projects" frame
> are listed the so called "Outreach Projects".
>
> To my understanding and knowledge these listed projects (Public Geospatial
> Data, Education and Curriculum, OSGeo Live) have not been nor incubated nor
> graduated.
>
> I'm therefore asking for clarification, and in the case my understanding
> is correct, to immediately remove these projects from the landing page.
>
> Two of them are actually committee, at the same level of the other OSGeo
> committee, that in my opinion should be equally promoted and listed
> togheter.
>
> Best,
> Maxi
>
>
>
> --
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>
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>
> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>
>
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>
> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>
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>
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>
> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] R: [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Suchith Anand]

+ 1 to Data4All initiative idea. This is a good opportunity for OSGeo to take 
leadership to bring together not just OSM, HOT, OSM communities but also the 
wider citizen science and PPGIS communities. We can start MoUs with like minded 
organisations to support Data4All as we did for Geo4All :-)

Suchith 


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Great idea Codrina! Please go ahead!
Cheers.
Maria



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Data: 21/10/2016 11:24 (GMT+01:00)
A: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

Dear Venka,

Good idea! I will gladly start setting the wiki page within the next days.

Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 12:07, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
> Hi Codrina,
>
> On 2016/10/21 17:09, Codrina Maria Ilie wrote:
>> Dear Venka, all
>>
>> I would gladly join forces in a Data4All initiative with OSM, HOT and
>> other Open Data communities, as well.
>
> That's great! Shall we start with setting up a wiki page and
> inviting others to join the Data4All initiative?
>
> Best
>
> Venka
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Codrina
>>
>>
>> On 21/10/16 02:27, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
>>>
>>> Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
>>> the recent e-mail [2]. I would be happy to work together with
>>> anyone who would like to take up on forming the "Data4All"
>>> initiative with OSM, HOT and others in the Open Data
>>> community.
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Hackathon: building fully open climatic monitoring system

[Massimiliano Cannata]

Dear All,
I would like to announce that on the 6th and 7th December 2016 in Italy, in
San Michele all'Adige at Fondazione Edmund Mach (Trento) [1] there will be
the 1st hackathon of the OSGeo's Open Monitoring System WG [2].

The hackathon named " building fully open climatic monitoring system"
[3] will bring together developers to work on Open Hardware and Open
Software so that we could promote and advance in the topic of Open
Monitoring Systems.
Interested people may sign up on the wiki page [3] where a draft of the
program which includes presentations and practical experiments is presented.

For more information on the topic please take a look at [4]

The participation is free, while materials should be purchased by
participants in advance (approx 150 USD).

The organisers [4] will try to collect sponsors and OSGeo support to reduce
the cost of participants.

Sign-in, seats are limited !

Best Regards from the organisers :-)



[1] OSM 
[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Open_Monitoring_Systems_Working_Group
[3]
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Building_fully_open_climatic_monitoring_system
[4]
http://www.slideshare.net/cannata/open-technologies-for-monitoring-systems-aimed-at-disaster
[4] Luca Delucchi, Yann Chemin and Massimiliano Cannata




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[OSGeo-Discuss] R: [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Maria Antonia Brovelli]

Dear Maxi
In my opinion it is more a Committee than a working group inside another one. 
The data, with their variety, are more than those of direct interest in science.
My 2 cents.
Maria



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Da: Massimiliano Cannata 
Data: 21/10/2016 12:02 (GMT+01:00)
A: Codrina Maria Ilie 
Cc: OSGeo Discussions 
Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

Dear Codrina and Angelos,
as co-chair of the Open Geoscience committe as you showed interest in 
re-vitalising the open data stuff, I would like to invite you to form and lead 
a specific working group within the Open Geoscience Committee.
We have already set a WG for open monitoring system which is very oriented to 
produce Open Data from field observations in "near real time".

I also think it would be great to set-up an OSGeo CKan server for promoting 
this and I would be very interested in contributing to this.

please, let me know your opinion on this.

Best,
maxi






2016-10-21 11:24 GMT+02:00 Codrina Maria Ilie 
>:
Dear Venka,

Good idea! I will gladly start setting the wiki page within the next days.

Cheers,
Codrina



On 21/10/16 12:07, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
Hi Codrina,

On 2016/10/21 17:09, Codrina Maria Ilie wrote:
Dear Venka, all

I would gladly join forces in a Data4All initiative with OSM, HOT and
other Open Data communities, as well.

That's great! Shall we start with setting up a wiki page and
inviting others to join the Data4All initiative?

Best

Venka


Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 02:27, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:

Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
the recent e-mail [2]. I would be happy to work together with
anyone who would like to take up on forming the "Data4All"
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[OSGeo-Discuss] 2017 World Bank Land and Poverty Conference CfP and Registration

[Arnulf Christl]

Folks,
following up from the FOSS4G 2016 conference in Bonn where "Land
Information" was one of the four key topics this CfP from the World Bank
may be of special interest to us.

I have personally attended the last three editions of this conference.
Land Information is obviously all about geospatial and location but the
community is widely unaware of the potential of geospatial software and
even less so about Open Source. There are only a handful of software
vendors in the domain and practically no Open Source providers.

In his keynote at FOSS4G Klaus Deininger (Lead Economist at the
Development Research Group of the World Bank) specifically asked for
support from the Open Source Geospatial Community to support the Land
Information Domain with technical know-how (see the video of his
presentation
).
If we (from the Open Source community in general) manage to get in a
dozen of talks then we may even get a separate conference thread.
Software tools from the FOSS4G domain like QGIS, PostGIS, OpenLayers,
etc. already permeate many projects but are oftentimes not sustainable
because of a lack of service providers and direct contact to the
communities. This domain has basically been waiting for us.

Please note that the deadline for abstracts is approaching fast! See
below for details:

The 2017 World Bank Conference on Land and Poverty

will be held from *March 20 to 24, 2017* in Washington D.C. under the
theme of /Responsible Land Governance: Towards an Evidence-Based
Approach/*. *

*Reminder call for paper abstracts *

Please note the deadline for individual paper abstract submission is
*Midnight October 31, 2016 (Eastern Standard Time). *Please check the
conference website

for more information on conference themes, submission instructions and
review process.

*Call for lightning talk proposals: innovation day on March 23*

The conference is partnering with the Open Geospatial Consortium
 to organize the 'Innovation Day'
("lightning talks" presenting use cases, followed by hands-on
demonstrations). Please submit proposal for a lightning talk through
theconference website

(see also priority themes, submission instructions

and review process).

*Call for MasterClass proposals: learning & knowledge sharing day on
March 24*

The knowledge sharing and learning day (March 24) is an opportunity for
presenting and discussing cutting edge tools, research approaches, and
methodologies during focused 90 min sessions. Please submit proposal for
a MasterClass through the conference website (please view the submission
guidelines
).


*Early bird registration*

We encourage you to take advantage of the /early bird registration rate
of $250/, which will expire on December 15, 2016.

The conference brings together technical experts, government
representatives, academia, CSO and industry from all over the world.

We very much look forward to your abstracts and meeting you at the
conference.

Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Even Rouault]

On Friday 21 October 2016 12:41:56 Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> On 10/20/2016 10:53 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> > OSGeo-Live likewise has hundreds of contributors, provides a easy way
> > for new users to find out about Open Source projects, and maintains a
> > high level of quality. It should be promoted. Note, we have considered
> > taking OSGeo-Live through graduation. Checklist here:
> > 
> > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Incubation_Graduation_Checklist
> 
> I think it is time for us to push the incubation process and address any
> concerns there might be about OSGeo-Live through that process.

+1. I think that the OSGeo-Live project deserves first class recognition, and 
from my outsider perspective seems to have processes similar to other OSGeo 
projects. Beyond what is products, the OSGeo-Live ISO, the packaging effort 
also greatly benefits to OSGeo (and other) projects.
Making clear what is the scope of the project and what is vetted or not by it 
should be sufficient to address any concern.

Even

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Hi all,

On 10/20/2016 10:53 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:



OSGeo-Live likewise has hundreds of contributors, provides a easy way 
for new users to find out about Open Source projects, and maintains a 
high level of quality. It should be promoted. Note, we have considered 
taking OSGeo-Live through graduation. Checklist here:


https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Incubation_Graduation_Checklist


I think it is time for us to push the incubation process and address any 
concerns there might be about OSGeo-Live through that process.




One concern I have is that OSGeo-Live includes more projects than just 
those incubated. A casual observer would naturally deduce that if 
OSGeo-Live has reached incubation quality, then all included packages 
should have also reached such quality. This assumption is incorrect 
and should not be promoted by OSGeo, and is a reason for OSGeo-Live 
not to be officially recognised as an OSGeo incubated project.


This assumption is definitely incorrect and should be fully addressed in 
the OSGeo-Live documentation.
We have always given priority to graduated and incubating projects (one 
exception comes to mind due to huge installation size requirements) and 
we have tried to be as inclusive as possible, since many new projects 
think that OSGeo-Live is an excellent way of promoting their work and 
reach out to the community through this "product".
In the process of creating/building the OSGeo-Live, we sometimes find 
interesting/helpful pieces of software to include or even sometimes 
complete projects that are de-facto accepted from the community as 
quality projects. We should continue to include them, even if they are 
not fully graduated from OSGeo. We should also encourage those projects 
to join OSGeo Community Projects (formerly Labs), but sometimes those 
projects are not always interested in joining OSGeo (We should consider 
why they are not interested, and what is that we offer to new projects - 
this is a big discussion and we need to take it up at some point).


Another point is that OSGeo-Live tends (not there yet) to be a proper 
GNU/Linux distribution, including not just geospatial software. We would 
never expect all included software (e.g. Linux kernel, GNU, Debian, 
Ubuntu, Xorg, LXDE etc) to be somehow officially linked to OSGeo :)


Best,
Angelos



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Warm regards, Cameron

On 21/10/2016 12:20 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

dear Board,
in the OSGeo landing page (www.osgeo.org ) in 
the "OSGeo projects" frame are listed the so called "Outreach Projects".


To my understanding and knowledge these listed projects (Public 
Geospatial Data, Education and Curriculum, OSGeo Live) have not been 
nor incubated nor graduated.


I'm therefore asking for clarification, and in the case my 
understanding is correct, to immediately remove these projects from 
the landing page.


Two of them are actually committee, at the same level of the other 
OSGeo committee, that in my opinion should be equally promoted and 
listed togheter.


Best,
Maxi



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Codrina Maria Ilie]

Dear Venka,

Good idea! I will gladly start setting the wiki page within the next days.

Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 12:07, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:

Hi Codrina,

On 2016/10/21 17:09, Codrina Maria Ilie wrote:

Dear Venka, all

I would gladly join forces in a Data4All initiative with OSM, HOT and
other Open Data communities, as well.


That's great! Shall we start with setting up a wiki page and
inviting others to join the Data4All initiative?

Best

Venka



Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 02:27, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:


Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
the recent e-mail [2]. I would be happy to work together with
anyone who would like to take up on forming the "Data4All"
initiative with OSM, HOT and others in the Open Data
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Hi all,

I also think this is an excellent idea, and I like the proposed name too.
I would be happy to contribute to such an initiative too.

Best,
Angelos

On 10/21/2016 11:09 AM, Codrina Maria Ilie wrote:

Dear Venka, all

I would gladly join forces in a Data4All initiative with OSM, HOT and 
other Open Data communities, as well.


Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 02:27, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:


Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
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initiative with OSM, HOT and others in the Open Data
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Venkatesh Raghavan]

Hi Codrina,

On 2016/10/21 17:09, Codrina Maria Ilie wrote:

Dear Venka, all

I would gladly join forces in a Data4All initiative with OSM, HOT and 
other Open Data communities, as well.


That's great! Shall we start with setting up a wiki page and
inviting others to join the Data4All initiative?

Best

Venka



Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 02:27, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:


Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
the recent e-mail [2]. I would be happy to work together with
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initiative with OSM, HOT and others in the Open Data
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Lester Caine]

On 21/10/16 08:33, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
> To me using PROJECT for outreach activities is misleading and confusing.

That may actually just be a matter of language. Certainly rules relating
to the development of software products do not apply to the development
of open source data or the development of material for promoting and
training participants in ANY of those activities, but a 'project' is a
distinct package of activity aiming towards a specific result.

Now the initial 'complaint' is that the current links to projects to
promote the other activities should not be shown on the front page, and
that is patently wrong. OSGeo live is clearly a 'project' providing a
package of material from all the other projects, and I would like to see
that 'pushed' a little more and it could potentially be used to produce
an income from the provision of physical disks.

Public Geospatial Data and Education and Curriculum do seem to have
'projects' buried somewhere within their pages of text? It would be nice
project to create a front end to land on that much better provides a
display of available open source data and documents. There is a
substantial and growing library of openly available geosource data, but
accessing it in a way that links to the available software would be a
useful project.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Codrina Maria Ilie]

Dear Venka, all

I would gladly join forces in a Data4All initiative with OSM, HOT and 
other Open Data communities, as well.


Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 02:27, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:


Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
the recent e-mail [2]. I would be happy to work together with
anyone who would like to take up on forming the "Data4All"
initiative with OSM, HOT and others in the Open Data
community.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Massimiliano Cannata]

I strongly disagree in using the name "project" for outreach "activities".

In OSGeo a project is a "software project" and we have:
- osgeo projects (graduated)
- incubating projects (incubating)
- community projects (not big enough to incubate)

Then we have "outreach activities" which are conducted by:
- OSGeo committees
- OSGeo working groups
- OSGeo advocates


To me using PROJECT for outreach activities is misleading and confusing.

And if you list one in the landing page you should list all of them.
p.s.: "open geoscience committe" is an "outreach project" as it connect
with EGU and AGU associations

Best,
Maxi



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