Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Nyall Dawson]

On 22 October 2017 at 07:20, Massimiliano Cannata
 wrote:
> Dear Jeff,
> I hope your withdrawal is not accepted.
>

+1 from me too.

Nyall
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Venkatesh Raghavan]

+ 1 Maxi, Bruce.

Venka

On 10/22/2017 7:03 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:

+1 Maxi.

I’m very sorry to see this Jeff.

As a community, we need to look closely at what we allowed to happen during 
this process.

We cannot afford to chase away very talented and passionate people. Jeff is but 
one of them.

I have not been impressed by our actions.

Bruce


On 22 Oct 2017, at 08:20, Massimiliano Cannata  
wrote:

Dear Jeff,
I hope your withdrawal is not accepted.

With a community of hundreds of charter members I wouldn't care so much of the 
respectable opinion of a couple of people and I would let the board take the 
responsibility to take a decision.

I don't see anything irregular in your participation, did anyone cheat? I'm 
sure this is not the case...
Then, any lesson learned is useful to improve the process in the future...

I bet the charter members who voted for you want you to stand for respect of 
their votes.

Maxi

Il 21 ott 2017 2:34 PM, "Jeff McKenna"  ha 
scritto:

Dear CRO,

Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to cause all 
of the problems so clearly explained by so many here publicly this election.

I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for volunteering 
their time for the OSGeo community.

Yours,

-Jeff McKenna



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Bruce Bannerman]

+1 Maxi.

I’m very sorry to see this Jeff.

As a community, we need to look closely at what we allowed to happen during 
this process.

We cannot afford to chase away very talented and passionate people. Jeff is but 
one of them.

I have not been impressed by our actions.

Bruce

> On 22 Oct 2017, at 08:20, Massimiliano Cannata 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear Jeff,
> I hope your withdrawal is not accepted.
> 
> With a community of hundreds of charter members I wouldn't care so much of 
> the respectable opinion of a couple of people and I would let the board take 
> the responsibility to take a decision.
> 
> I don't see anything irregular in your participation, did anyone cheat? I'm 
> sure this is not the case...
> Then, any lesson learned is useful to improve the process in the future...
> 
> I bet the charter members who voted for you want you to stand for respect of 
> their votes.
> 
> Maxi
> 
> Il 21 ott 2017 2:34 PM, "Jeff McKenna"  ha 
> scritto:
>> Dear CRO,
>> 
>> Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to cause 
>> all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here publicly this 
>> election.
>> 
>> I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for volunteering 
>> their time for the OSGeo community.
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> -Jeff McKenna
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Massimiliano Cannata]

Dear Jeff,
I hope your withdrawal is not accepted.

With a community of hundreds of charter members I wouldn't care so much of
the respectable opinion of a couple of people and I would let the board
take the responsibility to take a decision.

I don't see anything irregular in your participation, did anyone cheat? I'm
sure this is not the case...
Then, any lesson learned is useful to improve the process in the future...

I bet the charter members who voted for you want you to stand for respect
of their votes.

Maxi

Il 21 ott 2017 2:34 PM, "Jeff McKenna"  ha
scritto:

> Dear CRO,
>
> Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to cause
> all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here publicly this
> election.
>
> I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for
> volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.
>
> Yours,
>
> -Jeff McKenna
>
>
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Cameron Shorter]

Hi Jeff,

This must have been a tough call for you. I think you have made the 
right call.


I also stand by my previous statements about your great personal 
characteristics and contributions to OSGeo:


On 13/10/17 6:32 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>
> I really like and respect Jeff. He has contributed many great things 
to OSGeo and touched many of us in positive ways. ...

>
> I've said the following about Jeff :
>
> I see in you someone who has some wonderful characteristics which 
you apply to OSGeo:

>    You are passionate, enthusiastic, dedicated to task.
>
> There are a few things that sometimes cause friction:
> You are passionate, enthusiastic, dedicated to task.
>
> As with all of us, our strengths in one circumstance become a 
weakness in another.


On 11/12/15 11:00 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> I'm very hopeful that OSGeo is not an "all or nothing" decision for 
you. As you know, there are many roles that people play within OSGeo, 
and I'm hopeful that you might consider aligning with at least one. One 
thing that immediately comes to mind is the out reach role you have 
filled so well over the years. You are very good at "touching the guy 
who sits in the back row and inspiring and empowering them".


I do plan to take you up on your offer of a beer together when we are in 
the same city, at the same time next. My shout.


With the greatest of respect,
Cameron Shorter


On 21/10/17 11:34 pm, Jeff McKenna wrote:

Dear CRO,

Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to 
cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here 
publicly this election.


I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for 
volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.


Yours,

-Jeff McKenna


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

[Steven Feldman]

Well said Marc 

This has become a fruitless conversation that can have no satisfactory 
resolution. I don’t hear many voices supporting the view that we need a "course 
correction"

Wealth is unevenly distributed. Life is unfair. Open source software can help 
to rectify that unfairness. 

Attending FOSS4Gs helps to build community but does not need to be restricted 
to the global event. Ravi, if you believe that FOSS4G needs to be more 
affordable ($200, $100, $50, free?) then I encourage you to step up and run a 
local or regional event for 3-500 people at those rates.

BTW I think I am “normal”
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> On 21 Oct 2017, at 10:54, Marc Vloemans  wrote:
> 
> Dear Ravi,
> 
> If you feel sidelined, I am very sorry to hear/read this.
> Various commentators in this thread have tried in very rational ways to 
> explain how international, regional and local events have different 
> requirements, constraints and even audiences. Obviously, to no avail.
> 
> I would suggest that “the prove (or price) of the pudding is in the eating”. 
> If anyone feels sidelined...well, OSGeo is a do-ocracyso, in stead of 
> continuing this thread-with-no-end-or-single-silver-bulletI invite you to 
> try your hand at organising a 1000-plus event and see what it takes. 
> 
> From present experience as chair of FOSS4G NA 2018 I can relate to all chairs 
> of similar previous events; our growth means success and success (of eg 
> events) comes at a price.
> 
> ‘Correction of course’ would ultimately entail downsizing international 
> events, the only time there is this size of gathering our tribes, and even 
> the community at large, which defeats all purposes.
> 
> About the latter, we do a good job of that.
> For those who have missed it: Paul Ramsey tweeted he left this list. I 
> have no means to check this, but even the signal itself should tell us all 
> something.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Marc Vloemans
> 
> 
> Op 21 okt. 2017 om 10:58 heeft Ravi Kumar  > het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> "the fees are certainly not for normal people from most of the world".. This 
>> is balm to all those who consider themselves sidelined.
>> Much of the world needs Open Source and Open and Free GIS for Transparent 
>> administration among a multitude of reasons. May be it is time for a course 
>> correction.
>> Ravi
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Jachym Cepicky > > wrote:
>> Guys,
>> 
>> the fees are certainly not for normal people from most of the world. Not 
>> talking about travel costs.
>> 
>> But, as active member of the community, you can get considerable discount 
>> (giving workshops, volunteer at sessions, ...).
>> 
>> With FOSS4G-Europe, we aim to bring "little FOSS4G" to more people. And it 
>> seems to be working.
>> 
>> Just 0.02
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> čt 19. 10. 2017 v 8:44 odesílatel Till Adams > > napsal:
>> Dear list,
>> 
>> I can invite everybody, to follow the RfP process for FOSS4G 2019 [1] - 
>> including the questions to the teams. This will show, that we as CC have the 
>> cost factor always in mind. When discussing about prices, please take into 
>> account, that conference fee normally is 1/3 - 1/5 of the total costs you 
>> have when visiting a FOSS4G.
>> 
>> Also I'd like to invite everybody to make even small donations to the travel 
>> grant programme. We will announce, when the TGP for 2018 is setup.
>> 
>> Cheers, Till
>> 
>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2019_Bid_Process 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 18.10.2017 um 09:30 schrieb Andrea Aime:
>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Bruce Bannerman 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> When you look at the costs associated with a person attending a typical 
>>> international FOSS4G event, the actual conference fees a small amount of 
>>> the actual cost.
>>> 
>>> Consider airfares, transportation, accomodation, meals, lost wages etc. 
>>> There is nothing that an LOC can do about these individual costs.
>>> 
>>> Ah hem, nothing that the LOC can do once the conference site is chosen, but 
>>> something that OSGeo can do when assigning the location and timing.
>>> And I believe that is happening, if I'm not wrong for the first time the 
>>> LOC needs to provide expected cost of airfare and accommodation as part
>>> of their proposal, which will make people consider carefully that aspect 
>>> too. 
>>> 
>>> Another aspect that was not cited but that I heard in conversations and 
>>> believe is important, it's that it is really hard to compress
>>> the cost of a large conference: the LOC needs a place that can host 1000 
>>> people, and that can give internet to this many people,
>>> that places forces the catering package on you 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections time

[Anna Petrášová]

It went to my spam for some reason.

Anna

On Oct 19, 2017 2:34 AM, "Michael Smith" 
wrote:

Jachym,

It should be "Invitation to participate in the OSGeo Board of Directors
elections 2017"

Mike

Michael Smith
OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
treasu...@osgeo.org


From: Discuss  on behalf of Jachym Cepicky

Date: Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 3:39 AM
To: , Vasile Craciunescu 
Cc: OSGeo Discussions 
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections time

Vasile, what is the subject of the mail I should recieve?

THanks

J

st 18. 10. 2017 v 19:15 odesílatel Eli Adam  napsal:

> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 3:42 AM, Vasile Craciunescu
>  wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Based on the feedback received from two of our members (thank you
> Dimitris
> > and Gert-Jan), I did a small change in the voting system. The change is
> on
> > the number of votes than one can cast. The initial system was maximum 5,
> > minimum 5, which does not make sense if you want to abstain on more than
> 5
> > nominations (the rule was inherit from the survey template used last
> year).
> > Also, according to our process rules  "You can cast up to 5 votes, for 5
> > different people." [1]. Now, before making this change, 35 people already
>
> Probably leave it until next year, but [1] is in error; it does not
> need to be for *different* people.  The bylaws
> http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html [2]
> provide:
>
> Section 8.9. Voting. Each member (except emeritus members) shall be
> entitled to one vote on each matter submitted to a vote at a meeting
> of the members, except in the case of election of directors or as may
> otherwise be provided in the General Corporation Law of the State of
> Delaware. If a quorum is present, the affirmative vote of a majority
> of the members represented at the meeting and entitled to vote on the
> subject matter shall be the act of the members, unless the vote of a
> greater number is required by the General Corporation Law of the State
> of Delaware or by the Certificate of Incorporation or by these Bylaws.
>
> In connection with the election of Directors, each member (except
> emeritus members) shall be entitled to one vote for each vacancy on
> the Board of Directors to be filled. Members of the Board of Directors
> shall be elected by the affirmative vote of a plurality of the votes
> of the members present in person or proxy, including through remote
> communication, at the meeting and entitled to vote on the election of
> the Board of Directors. Each member entitled to vote in an election of
> Directors may cumulate his or her votes by distributing among one or
> more candidates as many votes as are equal to the number of Director
> vacancies to be filled in the election.
>
> Andy also raised some good ideas.  Perhaps we need to review this further.
>
>
> Best regards, Eli
>
>
> > voted. The votes are anonymized but I can go through Limesurvey setting
> to
> > check if is possible to reset someone votes. Please let me know on
> > c...@osgeo.org if you already voted and you were unhappy with the fact
> that
> > the system forced you to cast 5 votes.
> >
> > Best,
> > Vasile
> > CRO 2017
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2017
>
> [2] http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html
>
> >
> >
> > On 10/18/17 11:57 AM, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear charter members,
> >>
> >> It's time to vote for our new members of the board of directors. Like in
> >> the previous years, an electronic voting system was setup. In minutes
> from
> >> now, emails with personal voting links will be sent to all our charter
> >> members. If you don't receive your voting link in the next couple of
> hours
> >> please let me know at c...@osgeo.org. Before doing that please also
> check
> >> your "Spam" folder. Sending hundreds of messages at once is not easy
> and it
> >> can be interpreted as spam by some of the filtering systems. Also,
> sometimes
> >> the e-mail addresses change but the charter member contact database is
> not
> >> up to date. I will try to contact all the members with bounced
> invitations
> >> via alternative email/twitter/linkedin/etc to update the email account
> and
> >> to make sure that are able to vote.
> >>
> >> Thank you for supporting OSGeo!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Vasile
> >> CRO 2017
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> >
> >
> > --
> > -
> > Vasile Crăciunescu
> > geo-spatial.org: An elegant place for sharing geoKnowledge & geoData
> > http://www.geo-spatial.org
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/geo-spatial
> > 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

[Andy Anderson]

Maybe this was mentioned before, but videos are available for many 
presentations at FOSS4G 2017:

http://2017.foss4g.org/post_conference/

I believe that more are coming.

By the way, producing these videos costs a lot of money, too. They are 
beneficial to everyone, but they are paid for by attendee registrations.

— Andy

On Oct 21, 2017, at 3:35 AM, Till Adams 
> wrote:


In 2016 we also streamed the whole conference - for free.

Till

Am 18.10.2017 um 20:06 schrieb Nonie Castro:
Just a thought – this year NACIS livestreamed their entire 
conference to their members.

Maybe charging a fee to receive streams of the FOSS4G sessions would allow some 
people to attend that couldn’t otherwise afford to.
I count myself in that number.

Thank you,
Nonie




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From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Andrea Aime
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 3:30 AM
To: Bruce Bannerman
Cc: discuss
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Bruce Bannerman 
> wrote:
When you look at the costs associated with a person attending a typical 
international FOSS4G event, the actual conference fees a small amount of the 
actual cost.

Consider airfares, transportation, accomodation, meals, lost wages etc. There 
is nothing that an LOC can do about these individual costs.

Ah hem, nothing that the LOC can do once the conference site is chosen, but 
something that OSGeo can do when assigning the location and timing.
And I believe that is happening, if I'm not wrong for the first time the LOC 
needs to provide expected cost of airfare and accommodation as part
of their proposal, which will make people consider carefully that aspect too.

Another aspect that was not cited but that I heard in conversations and believe 
is important, it's that it is really hard to compress
the cost of a large conference: the LOC needs a place that can host 1000 
people, and that can give internet to this many people,
that places forces the catering package on you (I've been told by several 
conference chairs there no way to dodge that) and the
two together make up for a large amount of the cost.

So, besides some exceptions (think FOSDEM) it seems the only way to setup a 
cheaper conference is to make a smaller
one that can be hosted at a university or in a smaller conference center. Hence 
the focus on the local conferences.
I believe the threshold is at around 500 people, larger than that one is hung 
on the costly options.

Cheers
Andrea

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[James Klassen]

With all due respect, withdrawing after voting has started isn't fair to
those who have already voted.

I have been intentionally staying out of the melee that has been the
discuss list lately, but in my opinion this is just not right.

With full appreciation for and recognition of all the good work done by the
CRO, I somberly add my name to the list of those who think that this
election is irregular.


On Oct 21, 2017 07:34, "Jeff McKenna"  wrote:

Dear CRO,

Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to cause
all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here publicly this
election.

I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for volunteering
their time for the OSGeo community.

Yours,

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[OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election

[Jeff McKenna]

Dear CRO,

Please accept my withdrawal from the Board election.  I am sorry to 
cause all of the problems so clearly explained by so many here publicly 
this election.


I wish to take the time now to thank all of the candidates for 
volunteering their time for the OSGeo community.


Yours,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

[Till Adams]

In 2016 we also streamed the whole conference - for free.

Till


Am 18.10.2017 um 20:06 schrieb Nonie Castro:
>
> Just a thought – this year NACIS livestreamed their entire conference
>  to their members.
>
>  
>
> Maybe charging a fee to receive streams of the FOSS4G sessions would
> allow some people to attend that couldn’t otherwise afford to.
>
> I count myself in that number.
>
>  
>
> Thank you,
>
> Nonie
>
>  
>
>     cid:image007.png@01D0632F.7C5C2250
>
>
> *Nonie Castro
> Senior GIS Specialist*
>
> nonie_cas...@valpak.com 
> valpak.com 
>
> _ _
>
>  
>
> *From:*Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Andrea Aime
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 18, 2017 3:30 AM
> *To:* Bruce Bannerman
> *Cc:* discuss
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Bruce Bannerman
>  > wrote:
>
> When you look at the costs associated with a person attending a
> typical international FOSS4G event, the actual conference fees a small
> amount of the actual cost.
>
> Consider airfares, transportation, accomodation, meals, lost wages
> etc. There is nothing that an LOC can do about these individual costs.
>
>  
>
> Ah hem, nothing that the LOC can do once the conference site is
> chosen, but something that OSGeo can do when assigning the location
> and timing.
>
> And I believe that is happening, if I'm not wrong for the first time
> the LOC needs to provide expected cost of airfare and accommodation as
> part
>
> of their proposal, which will make people consider carefully that
> aspect too. 
>
>  
>
> Another aspect that was not cited but that I heard in conversations
> and believe is important, it's that it is really hard to compress
>
> the cost of a large conference: the LOC needs a place that can host
> 1000 people, and that can give internet to this many people,
>
> that places forces the catering package on you (I've been told by
> several conference chairs there no way to dodge that) and the 
>
> two together make up for a large amount of the cost.
>
>  
>
> So, besides some exceptions (think FOSDEM) it seems the only way to
> setup a cheaper conference is to make a smaller
>
> one that can be hosted at a university or in a smaller conference
> center. Hence the focus on the local conferences.
>
> I believe the threshold is at around 500 people, larger than that one
> is hung on the costly options.
>
>  
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrea
>
>  
>
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