Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

2023-12-30 Thread Vicky Vergara via Discuss
Hi all,
Maybe my choice of words and ordering are wrong so I am rewording

FACT: We do not have nabble anymore.

We are ready to use discourse for the mailing lists,
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list,
  * keep working as always
* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
  * Example: pgRouting has a private category for the PSC
* Have a mirror of the mailing list in discourse
  * Currently read only
  * Its a mirror then keep working as always
  * With proper configuration It can be seen in mastodon
  * Example: pgRouting has a mirror of pgrouting-dev and pgrouting-users
* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
  * It moved, so the group will work using discourse
  * The archives will be kept.
  * the list will be disabled
  * Example: QGIS-users-fr

We are providing options.
Regards
Vicky



On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bruce Bannerman <
bruce.bannerman.os...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called
> Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists
> explaining the pros and cons of such a move.
>
> I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.
>
> This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such a
> significant move.
>
> Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on
> 20 years.
>
> The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a
> community engagement issue. It is not something that technology will
> magically fix.
>
> It seems to me that we have a case of the tail wagging the dog.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On 29 Dec 2023, at 05:15, Jody Garnett via Discuss <
> discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Reading online it appears there is:
>
> 1. A mailing list mode so notifications are sent out each time a post is
> made (this is a user preference)
>
> 2. A reply via email mode
>
> So experimentation is needed.
>
> Reference:
> -
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008/8
> -
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/set-up-reply-by-email-with-pop3-polling/14003
>
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 10:09 AM Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
>
>> I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an
>> informed decision.
>>
>> If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the
>> email list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to
 nabble used to? Is searchable etc …

 I don't know the details of how discourse works,
>>>
>>>
 But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers
 - so it is one way communication.

>>> https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990
>>>
>>>
 And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want
 to ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and
 getting yet more email).

>>> Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory
>>> for Q&A
>>>
 --
 Jody Garnett


 On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara 
 wrote:

> Hi Jody
>
> We are offering options
>
> Before:
> Use mailing list
>
> After:
> * Use mailing list and see the archives only on
> https://lists.osgeo.org/
> * Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
> * Use discourse without a mailing list
>
>
> This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]
> (Use discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from
> mailing list)
> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing
> list and see the archives also on discourse)
> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3]
> was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use
> mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)
>
> [1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
> [2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
> [3]
> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/
>
> Regards
> Vicky
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
>
>> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo
>> sign up form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what 
>> is
>> being offered.
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

2023-12-30 Thread Markus Neteler via Discuss
Hi,

On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 10:55 AM Luca Delucchi via Discuss
 wrote:
...
> I'm also quite new to Discourse but For what I can see with the discourse 
> instance of OpenStreetMap where the
> Italian OSM community created a category for Italian discussion there are 
> only pros to have Discourse instead mailman since:
> - people used to use mailing list can continue to answer via email
> - people used to write via forum con use this way
> - archive is searchable

Just to add to the options we 8theoretically) have:

With an upgrade from mailman-2 to mailman-3 we could also have a
searchable archive.
See for example
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/
which looks much more modern than mailman-2 on OSGeo.

> For my little usage I don't see any cons to move from mailman to Discourse, 
> however as Jody said every community can choose their own tool to communicate

Let me suggest to avid too much fragmentation. This will not help to
get people more engaged.

Markus
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

2023-12-30 Thread Luca Delucchi via Discuss
Il ven 29 dic 2023, 16:38 Jody Garnett via Discuss 
ha scritto:

> Vicky is just the messenger, and may of caused some confusion when
> describing a new service the system admin committee has brought online.
> There no move planned; just some new software has just been installed and
> is available for any groups wishing to make use of discourse.
>
> Folks have requested a forum for a while now - part of lowering the
> barrier of entry for a new generation etc…
> I hope the groups that have been waiting for this could help explain to
> the discussion list.
>
> I am afraid I am just unfamiliar with this particular forum software which
> is why I have been asking questions.
>

I'm also quite new to Discourse but For what I can see with the discourse
instance of OpenStreetMap where the Italian OSM community created a
category for Italian discussion there are only pros to have Discourse
instead mailman since:
- people used to use mailing list can continue to answer via email
- people used to write via forum con use this way
- archive is searchable

For my little usage I don't see any cons to move from mailman to Discourse,
however as Jody said every community can choose their own tool to
communicate

--
> Jody Garnett
>

my2cents
Luca
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