Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Anna Petrášová via Discuss]

Thank you, that's really helpful to know. I wonder if this "mailing list"
behavior could be set as a default for the migrated users.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:39 PM Regina Obe  wrote:

> They would need to log into discourse at least once and then mark the
> category as “Watching”
>
> Like for example – the qgis-fr-user category is here -
> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>
>
>
>
>
> And then within your profile, there is an Emails section, you can decide
> if you want to be emailed or not for watched categories and how frequently.
>
>
>
>
>
> There is also a decision category managers (aka mailing list admins) need
> to make if they want anyone with an OSGeo discourse account to be able to
> post to their categories, or only people in a group.  You can invite all
> people in your old mailing list into the new group to expedite things.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Anna Petrášová 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:12 PM
> *To:* Regina Obe 
> *Cc:* Sandro Santilli ; Bruce Bannerman <
> bruce.bannerman.os...@gmail.com>; OSGeo Discussions <
> discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>
>
>
> In case we decide to migrate, I was wondering what kind of effort is
> required from a current mailing list (mailman2) user to switch to discourse
> if they want to keep using it as a mailing list. E.g., would they need to
> login first (potentially create a new account?) and then set anything from
> the discourse interface? I understand this is all new, so instructions may
> not be available yet, but I am just trying to understand what kind of
> burden the transition represents for a regular user.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anna
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 3:29 AM Regina Obe via Discuss <
> discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss
> > wrote:
> > >Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something
> called
> > >Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists
> > >explaining the pros and cons of such a move.
> > >I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be
> troubling.
> > >This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making
> such
> > a
> > >significant move.
> >
> > I feel the same and ask every OSGeo member with responsibility over
> > infrastructure to use this mailing list more as this is the "place"
> > with the most foundation members.
> >
>
> First of all, this IS THE DISCUSSION.  We've only moved one mailing list.
> We are just encouraging people to try it out
> first by allowing us to mirror their lists.  No harm in that I see. Most
> likely the lists that will move first are those with not that many people,
> and who are dissatisfied with mail lists like some of the QGIS users groups.
>
> OpenStreetMap put together a nice intro, which I'm hoping we can pattern
> our intro after:
>
>
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/how-to-use-this-forum-for-new-users/314/9
>
> which links to this discussion about pros and cons of mailing lists vs.
> Discourse
>
>
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/why-use-discourse-instead-of-a-email-mailing-list/54298
>
>
> My impetus for wanting to move is people asking for it, and complaining
> about how mailing lists don't work
> for people who want only casual involvement.
>
> Personally I hate mailing lists so they don't work for me.  I only have
> discuss in digest mode cause most of the topics don't interest me.
> I only subscribe to a few mailing lists, but I do see with discourse, I
> can at least peak into others and watch specific topics, and be selectively
> emailed in only things that interest me or if someone mentions my name.
>
> We need to move either to Mailman3 or Discourse - end of story.  Mailman2
> is dead and in looking at what we get with Mailman3, effort to move,
> and all the people screaming over the years for discourse
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2306
> , and seeing the success of discourse for projects such as OpenStreetMap
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/ , Gnome, I'm leaning heavily toward
> Discourse is the best solution
> for most and most flexible to configure.
>
> * It will allow people who only want to interact via Email only  to still
> do so
>
> That is not to say there aren't issues with how it handles emails we need
> to work out, which Sandro has made clear, but at least he's trying, so I
> can't complain about him too much.
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3072
&

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Anna Petrášová via Discuss]

In case we decide to migrate, I was wondering what kind of effort is
required from a current mailing list (mailman2) user to switch to discourse
if they want to keep using it as a mailing list. E.g., would they need to
login first (potentially create a new account?) and then set anything from
the discourse interface? I understand this is all new, so instructions may
not be available yet, but I am just trying to understand what kind of
burden the transition represents for a regular user.

Thanks,
Anna

On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 3:29 AM Regina Obe via Discuss <
discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:

> > On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss
> > wrote:
> > >Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something
> called
> > >Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists
> > >explaining the pros and cons of such a move.
> > >I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be
> troubling.
> > >This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making
> such
> > a
> > >significant move.
> >
> > I feel the same and ask every OSGeo member with responsibility over
> > infrastructure to use this mailing list more as this is the "place"
> > with the most foundation members.
> >
>
> First of all, this IS THE DISCUSSION.  We've only moved one mailing list.
> We are just encouraging people to try it out
> first by allowing us to mirror their lists.  No harm in that I see. Most
> likely the lists that will move first are those with not that many people,
> and who are dissatisfied with mail lists like some of the QGIS users groups.
>
> OpenStreetMap put together a nice intro, which I'm hoping we can pattern
> our intro after:
>
>
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/how-to-use-this-forum-for-new-users/314/9
>
> which links to this discussion about pros and cons of mailing lists vs.
> Discourse
>
>
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/why-use-discourse-instead-of-a-email-mailing-list/54298
>
>
> My impetus for wanting to move is people asking for it, and complaining
> about how mailing lists don't work
> for people who want only casual involvement.
>
> Personally I hate mailing lists so they don't work for me.  I only have
> discuss in digest mode cause most of the topics don't interest me.
> I only subscribe to a few mailing lists, but I do see with discourse, I
> can at least peak into others and watch specific topics, and be selectively
> emailed in only things that interest me or if someone mentions my name.
>
> We need to move either to Mailman3 or Discourse - end of story.  Mailman2
> is dead and in looking at what we get with Mailman3, effort to move,
> and all the people screaming over the years for discourse
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2306
> , and seeing the success of discourse for projects such as OpenStreetMap
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/ , Gnome, I'm leaning heavily toward
> Discourse is the best solution
> for most and most flexible to configure.
>
> * It will allow people who only want to interact via Email only  to still
> do so
>
> That is not to say there aren't issues with how it handles emails we need
> to work out, which Sandro has made clear, but at least he's trying, so I
> can't complain about him too much.
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3072
>
> * It will allow people to just post a question and only follow the
> discussion about their question -- I know sounds selfish, but FOSS is about
> scratching your own itch, and hanging around for longer when you decide
> these people are cool and what they talk about is cool.
>
> * It has integration with ActivityPub, thus allowing discussions to flow
> thru to channels like mastodon if wanted. We've been experimenting with
> that and it's been pretty cool so far and I hope we can experiment with
> more facets of discourse, like the language translation of forum questions
> etc.
>
>
> > The introduction of so many new/different communication channels
> resulted in
> > this fragmentation leaving people with this feeling of being excluded,
> which is to
> > be avoided.
> >
> > >Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for
> close on
> > >20 years.
> >
> What different channels?  We have matrix (which largely replaces IRC and
> allows people on slack to interact with people on Matrix and IRC),
> Discourse I am hoping to replace Mailman with to satisfy the mailing list
> crowd of people and begin to satisfy the needs of others with no patience
> for mailing lists, who relied on Nabble for their interaction (which nabble
> is now dead).
> (so this is about reducing fragmentation in my mind, not increasing it).
> It's about bridging the gap between the old timers and newcomers (just as
> Matrix did for IRC/Slack/etc)
>
> We are not forcing anyone's hands at this point.  I expect we will live
> with both Mailman2 and Discourse at least for the rest of the year, and
> perhaps longer.
>
>
> > Same for me. This is 

[OSGeo-Discuss] Learn more about NSF funded project for GRASS ecosystem

[Anna Petrášová via Discuss]

I would like to invite interested community members to an info session on a
recently funded project to support and expand the global GRASS GIS
community which was awarded by the U.S. National Science Foundation [1]. We
will briefly explain what is the scope of the project, what we hope to
achieve and how you can get involved.

The first session is coming up this Thursday (EST/New York at 2pm,
CEST/Brussels at 8pm). You can join with a zoom link [2]. If you can't make
it, you can join the second session on Friday (EST/New York at 10am,
CEST/Brussels at 4pm).

Best,
Anna

[1] https://grass.osgeo.org/news/2023_09_06_nsf_grant_awarded/
[2] https://ncsu.zoom.us/j/97419521476?pwd=cmx3TitGYjZiYWxzd241U0J0TzVUdz09
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections time

[Anna Petrášová]

It went to my spam for some reason.

Anna

On Oct 19, 2017 2:34 AM, "Michael Smith" 
wrote:

Jachym,

It should be "Invitation to participate in the OSGeo Board of Directors
elections 2017"

Mike

Michael Smith
OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
treasu...@osgeo.org


From: Discuss  on behalf of Jachym Cepicky

Date: Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 3:39 AM
To: , Vasile Craciunescu 
Cc: OSGeo Discussions 
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections time

Vasile, what is the subject of the mail I should recieve?

THanks

J

st 18. 10. 2017 v 19:15 odesílatel Eli Adam  napsal:

> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 3:42 AM, Vasile Craciunescu
>  wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Based on the feedback received from two of our members (thank you
> Dimitris
> > and Gert-Jan), I did a small change in the voting system. The change is
> on
> > the number of votes than one can cast. The initial system was maximum 5,
> > minimum 5, which does not make sense if you want to abstain on more than
> 5
> > nominations (the rule was inherit from the survey template used last
> year).
> > Also, according to our process rules  "You can cast up to 5 votes, for 5
> > different people." [1]. Now, before making this change, 35 people already
>
> Probably leave it until next year, but [1] is in error; it does not
> need to be for *different* people.  The bylaws
> http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html [2]
> provide:
>
> Section 8.9. Voting. Each member (except emeritus members) shall be
> entitled to one vote on each matter submitted to a vote at a meeting
> of the members, except in the case of election of directors or as may
> otherwise be provided in the General Corporation Law of the State of
> Delaware. If a quorum is present, the affirmative vote of a majority
> of the members represented at the meeting and entitled to vote on the
> subject matter shall be the act of the members, unless the vote of a
> greater number is required by the General Corporation Law of the State
> of Delaware or by the Certificate of Incorporation or by these Bylaws.
>
> In connection with the election of Directors, each member (except
> emeritus members) shall be entitled to one vote for each vacancy on
> the Board of Directors to be filled. Members of the Board of Directors
> shall be elected by the affirmative vote of a plurality of the votes
> of the members present in person or proxy, including through remote
> communication, at the meeting and entitled to vote on the election of
> the Board of Directors. Each member entitled to vote in an election of
> Directors may cumulate his or her votes by distributing among one or
> more candidates as many votes as are equal to the number of Director
> vacancies to be filled in the election.
>
> Andy also raised some good ideas.  Perhaps we need to review this further.
>
>
> Best regards, Eli
>
>
> > voted. The votes are anonymized but I can go through Limesurvey setting
> to
> > check if is possible to reset someone votes. Please let me know on
> > c...@osgeo.org if you already voted and you were unhappy with the fact
> that
> > the system forced you to cast 5 votes.
> >
> > Best,
> > Vasile
> > CRO 2017
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2017
>
> [2] http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html
>
> >
> >
> > On 10/18/17 11:57 AM, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear charter members,
> >>
> >> It's time to vote for our new members of the board of directors. Like in
> >> the previous years, an electronic voting system was setup. In minutes
> from
> >> now, emails with personal voting links will be sent to all our charter
> >> members. If you don't receive your voting link in the next couple of
> hours
> >> please let me know at c...@osgeo.org. Before doing that please also
> check
> >> your "Spam" folder. Sending hundreds of messages at once is not easy
> and it
> >> can be interpreted as spam by some of the filtering systems. Also,
> sometimes
> >> the e-mail addresses change but the charter member contact database is
> not
> >> up to date. I will try to contact all the members with bounced
> invitations
> >> via alternative email/twitter/linkedin/etc to update the email account
> and
> >> to make sure that are able to vote.
> >>
> >> Thank you for supporting OSGeo!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Vasile
> >> CRO 2017
> >> ___
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> >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -
> > Vasile Crăciunescu
> > geo-spatial.org: An elegant place for sharing geoKnowledge & geoData
> > http://www.geo-spatial.org
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/geo-spatial
> > 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: nomination of Paulo van Breugel

[Anna Petrášová]

I support him too!

Anna

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Margherita Di Leo  wrote:
> I support Paulo's nomination!
>
> Il giorno mar 29 ago 2017 alle 08:58 Helmut Kudrnovsky  ha
> scritto:
>>
>> I second Paulo's nomination.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Helmut
>>
>> >Forwarding Paulo van Breugel nomination by Moritz Lennert. The 2017
>> >member nominations list will be updated ASAP [1].
>> >
>> >Best regards,
>> >Vasile & Jeff
>> >2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
>> >
>> >[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
>> >
>> >
>> > Forwarded Message 
>> >Subject: nomination of Paulo van Breugel
>> >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 14:27:07 +0200
>> >From: Moritz Lennert 
>> >To: cro at osgeo.org
>> >
>> >Dear Vasile and Jeff,
>> >
>> >Here's a second nomination for charter membership:
>> >
>> >I would like to nominate Paulo van Breugel for charter membership. Paulo
>> >has been an active developer in the GRASS GIS community, developing many
>> >useful addons, and has also been a continuous advocate and documenter of
>> >FOSS4G solutions, notably via his blog https://pvanb.wordpress.com/ and
>> >in the course of his academic work.
>> >
>> >Best wishes,
>> >Moritz
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Charter Member Nomination: Stephen Mather

[Anna Petrášová]

Definitely +1,

Anna

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Michael Smith
 wrote:
> A very big +1. I assumed Stephen was already a charter member
> 
> Michael Smith
>
> US Army Corps
> Remote Sensing GIS/Center
> michael.sm...@usace.army.mil
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Discuss  on behalf of Jeff McKenna
> 
> Date: Friday, September 8, 2017 at 11:57 AM
> To: osgeo 
> Cc: "c...@osgeo.org" 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Charter Member Nomination:
> Stephen Mather
> Resent-From: Michael Smith 
>
>>Forwarding Stephen Mather nomination by Kristin Bott. The 2017 member
>>nominations list was updated [1].
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Vasile & Jeff
>>2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
>>
>>[1]
>>BlockedBlockedhttps://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017Block
>>ed
>>
>>
>> Forwarded Message 
>>
>>
>>Nominee: Stephen Mather - USA
>>
>>Stephen has likely been most recently visible within the OSGeo community
>>as the founder and an ongoing contributor to OpenDroneMap -- for which
>>he received supportive grant funding in 2016; on which he has given
>>numerous workshops, presentations, and trainings since its development;
>>and through which he has partnered with a number of people and agencies
>>to use geospatial technologies for humanitarian efforts and other
>>applications in education, governmental work, and more.
>>
>>Through mentoring within and beyond his professional role, Stephen
>>encourages the development of geospatial skills in a variety of folk,
>>and has recently served as a both mentor and a teacher in cooperative
>>programs in Musanze, Rwanda in addition to partnering with students at
>>the State University Zanzibar and the University of Rwanda on geospatial
>>projects.
>>
>>Stephen is very active in outreach efforts; the last three years have
>>included workshops and presentations all over the globe on open source
>>geospatial software and systems (with a notable concentration on drone
>>systems/remote sensing applications) -- events include FOSS4G
>>(2017,2015,2014), State of the Map Africa (2017), FOSS4G Africa (2017),
>>State of the Map US (2016).
>>
>>Technically, Stephen brings a wide range of expertise in across GIS
>>packages/protocols/libraries, remote sensing, and variety of programming
>>languages/libraries and is one of the co-authors of the PostGIS Cookbook.
>>
>>I believe that with a combination of strong technical skills and a
>>dedication to outreach/education in diverse communities, Stephen has
>>brought a great deal to the OSGeo community for years, and will continue
>>to do so.
>>
>>-Kristin Bott
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Nomination of Markus Metz for charter membership

[Anna Petrášová]

+1

Anna

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Angelos Tzotsos  wrote:
> +1
> Angelos
>
>
> On 09/04/2017 11:37 AM, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:
>>
>> I second Markus' nomination.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Helmut
>>
>>
>>> Forwarding Markus Metz nomination by Moritz Lennert. The 2017 member
>>> nominations listwas updated [1].
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Vasile & Jeff
>>> 2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
>>>
>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
>>>
>>>
>>>  Forwarded Message 
>>> Subject: Nomination of Markus Metz for charter membership
>>> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 09:23:46 +0200
>>> From: Moritz Lennert 
>>> To: OSGeo Chief Returning Officer 
>>>
>>> Dear CRO's,
>>>
>>> I would like to nominate Markus Metz for charter membership. Markus is
>>> very deeply involved in the core development of GRASS GIS and has done
>>> invaluable work for our code base. Citing everything he's done would be
>>> too long, but besides introducing many new modules and also
>>> significantly improving the internal libraries, he has done wonders in
>>> allowing GRASS GIS to work with very, very large amounts of data.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Moritz
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: nomination of Veronica Andreo as charter member

[Anna Petrášová]

+1 from me as well

Anna

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Codrina Maria Ilie
 wrote:
> Wonderful nomination.
>
> big +1
>
> Codrina
>
> On 30/08/2017 08:27, nicolas bozon wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> 2017-08-30 1:12 GMT+02:00 Nikos Alexandris > >:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> * Martin Landa > > [2017-08-29 23:42:42 +0200]:
>>
>>
>> 2017-08-29 23:34 GMT+02:00 Marco Minghini
>> >:
>>
>> one big +1. Ma
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