Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
Thank you, that's really helpful to know. I wonder if this "mailing list" behavior could be set as a default for the migrated users. On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:39 PM Regina Obe wrote: > They would need to log into discourse at least once and then mark the > category as “Watching” > > Like for example – the qgis-fr-user category is here - > https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5 > > > > > > And then within your profile, there is an Emails section, you can decide > if you want to be emailed or not for watched categories and how frequently. > > > > > > There is also a decision category managers (aka mailing list admins) need > to make if they want anyone with an OSGeo discourse account to be able to > post to their categories, or only people in a group. You can invite all > people in your old mailing list into the new group to expedite things. > > > > > > > > *From:* Anna Petrášová > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:12 PM > *To:* Regina Obe > *Cc:* Sandro Santilli ; Bruce Bannerman < > bruce.bannerman.os...@gmail.com>; OSGeo Discussions < > discuss@lists.osgeo.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration > > > > In case we decide to migrate, I was wondering what kind of effort is > required from a current mailing list (mailman2) user to switch to discourse > if they want to keep using it as a mailing list. E.g., would they need to > login first (potentially create a new account?) and then set anything from > the discourse interface? I understand this is all new, so instructions may > not be available yet, but I am just trying to understand what kind of > burden the transition represents for a regular user. > > > > Thanks, > > Anna > > > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 3:29 AM Regina Obe via Discuss < > discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss > > wrote: > > >Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something > called > > >Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists > > >explaining the pros and cons of such a move. > > >I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be > troubling. > > >This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making > such > > a > > >significant move. > > > > I feel the same and ask every OSGeo member with responsibility over > > infrastructure to use this mailing list more as this is the "place" > > with the most foundation members. > > > > First of all, this IS THE DISCUSSION. We've only moved one mailing list. > We are just encouraging people to try it out > first by allowing us to mirror their lists. No harm in that I see. Most > likely the lists that will move first are those with not that many people, > and who are dissatisfied with mail lists like some of the QGIS users groups. > > OpenStreetMap put together a nice intro, which I'm hoping we can pattern > our intro after: > > > https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/how-to-use-this-forum-for-new-users/314/9 > > which links to this discussion about pros and cons of mailing lists vs. > Discourse > > > https://meta.discourse.org/t/why-use-discourse-instead-of-a-email-mailing-list/54298 > > > My impetus for wanting to move is people asking for it, and complaining > about how mailing lists don't work > for people who want only casual involvement. > > Personally I hate mailing lists so they don't work for me. I only have > discuss in digest mode cause most of the topics don't interest me. > I only subscribe to a few mailing lists, but I do see with discourse, I > can at least peak into others and watch specific topics, and be selectively > emailed in only things that interest me or if someone mentions my name. > > We need to move either to Mailman3 or Discourse - end of story. Mailman2 > is dead and in looking at what we get with Mailman3, effort to move, > and all the people screaming over the years for discourse > https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2306 > , and seeing the success of discourse for projects such as OpenStreetMap > https://community.openstreetmap.org/ , Gnome, I'm leaning heavily toward > Discourse is the best solution > for most and most flexible to configure. > > * It will allow people who only want to interact via Email only to still > do so > > That is not to say there aren't issues with how it handles emails we need > to work out, which Sandro has made clear, but at least he's trying, so I > can't complain about him too much. > https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3072 > > * It will allow people to just post a question and only follow the > discussion about their question -- I know sounds selfish, but FOSS is about > scratching your own itch, and hanging around for longer when you decide > these people are cool and what they talk about is cool. > > * It has integration with ActivityPub, thus allowing discussions to flow > thru to channels like mastodon if wanted. We've been experimenting with > that and it's been pretty c
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
In case we decide to migrate, I was wondering what kind of effort is required from a current mailing list (mailman2) user to switch to discourse if they want to keep using it as a mailing list. E.g., would they need to login first (potentially create a new account?) and then set anything from the discourse interface? I understand this is all new, so instructions may not be available yet, but I am just trying to understand what kind of burden the transition represents for a regular user. Thanks, Anna On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 3:29 AM Regina Obe via Discuss < discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss > > wrote: > > >Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something > called > > >Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists > > >explaining the pros and cons of such a move. > > >I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be > troubling. > > >This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making > such > > a > > >significant move. > > > > I feel the same and ask every OSGeo member with responsibility over > > infrastructure to use this mailing list more as this is the "place" > > with the most foundation members. > > > > First of all, this IS THE DISCUSSION. We've only moved one mailing list. > We are just encouraging people to try it out > first by allowing us to mirror their lists. No harm in that I see. Most > likely the lists that will move first are those with not that many people, > and who are dissatisfied with mail lists like some of the QGIS users groups. > > OpenStreetMap put together a nice intro, which I'm hoping we can pattern > our intro after: > > > https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/how-to-use-this-forum-for-new-users/314/9 > > which links to this discussion about pros and cons of mailing lists vs. > Discourse > > > https://meta.discourse.org/t/why-use-discourse-instead-of-a-email-mailing-list/54298 > > > My impetus for wanting to move is people asking for it, and complaining > about how mailing lists don't work > for people who want only casual involvement. > > Personally I hate mailing lists so they don't work for me. I only have > discuss in digest mode cause most of the topics don't interest me. > I only subscribe to a few mailing lists, but I do see with discourse, I > can at least peak into others and watch specific topics, and be selectively > emailed in only things that interest me or if someone mentions my name. > > We need to move either to Mailman3 or Discourse - end of story. Mailman2 > is dead and in looking at what we get with Mailman3, effort to move, > and all the people screaming over the years for discourse > https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2306 > , and seeing the success of discourse for projects such as OpenStreetMap > https://community.openstreetmap.org/ , Gnome, I'm leaning heavily toward > Discourse is the best solution > for most and most flexible to configure. > > * It will allow people who only want to interact via Email only to still > do so > > That is not to say there aren't issues with how it handles emails we need > to work out, which Sandro has made clear, but at least he's trying, so I > can't complain about him too much. > https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3072 > > * It will allow people to just post a question and only follow the > discussion about their question -- I know sounds selfish, but FOSS is about > scratching your own itch, and hanging around for longer when you decide > these people are cool and what they talk about is cool. > > * It has integration with ActivityPub, thus allowing discussions to flow > thru to channels like mastodon if wanted. We've been experimenting with > that and it's been pretty cool so far and I hope we can experiment with > more facets of discourse, like the language translation of forum questions > etc. > > > > The introduction of so many new/different communication channels > resulted in > > this fragmentation leaving people with this feeling of being excluded, > which is to > > be avoided. > > > > >Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for > close on > > >20 years. > > > What different channels? We have matrix (which largely replaces IRC and > allows people on slack to interact with people on Matrix and IRC), > Discourse I am hoping to replace Mailman with to satisfy the mailing list > crowd of people and begin to satisfy the needs of others with no patience > for mailing lists, who relied on Nabble for their interaction (which nabble > is now dead). > (so this is about reducing fragmentation in my mind, not increasing it). > It's about bridging the gap between the old timers and newcomers (just as > Matrix did for IRC/Slack/etc) > > We are not forcing anyone's hands at this point. I expect we will live > with both Mailman2 and Discourse at least for the rest of the year, and > perhaps longer. > > > > Same for me. This is somet
[OSGeo-Discuss] Learn more about NSF funded project for GRASS ecosystem
I would like to invite interested community members to an info session on a recently funded project to support and expand the global GRASS GIS community which was awarded by the U.S. National Science Foundation [1]. We will briefly explain what is the scope of the project, what we hope to achieve and how you can get involved. The first session is coming up this Thursday (EST/New York at 2pm, CEST/Brussels at 8pm). You can join with a zoom link [2]. If you can't make it, you can join the second session on Friday (EST/New York at 10am, CEST/Brussels at 4pm). Best, Anna [1] https://grass.osgeo.org/news/2023_09_06_nsf_grant_awarded/ [2] https://ncsu.zoom.us/j/97419521476?pwd=cmx3TitGYjZiYWxzd241U0J0TzVUdz09 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
