Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Workshops filling up...

[Daniel Ames]

Nitin, your email was great to read because it highlights the healthy state
of affairs in the FOSS4g world... "Too many great choices!"

- Dan

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On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Nitin Gadia  wrote:

> sorry everyone!
>
> I did mean to only message Tyler, but feel free to continue the thread
> as he said...
>
> nitin
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Tyler Mitchell 
> wrote:
> > Was sure if you meant to response privately, but thought others might
> have the same questions, so
> > replying on the list too :)
> >
> > On 2011-08-10, at 9:05 AM, Nitin Gadia wrote:
> >> One quick question - I'm thinking the Introduction to Geospatial
> >> Opensource would be the best for me... It appears that I can pay $150
> >> for the full day event ... is that true?
> >
> > This is correct - it is a full day of excellent talks, and will give a
> great overview
> > of where things are at.  But it is not a hands-on workshop which
> > seems more like what you are after.
> >
> >> Other than that, there are so many to choose from - Geoserver,
> >> Geomoose, PostGIS, Mapfish, and Geomajas. The "A Complete Web Mapping
> >> Stack" looks really good... as does "GeoNetwork for dummies, or how to
> >> setup and use an SDI in 3 hours"...
> >
> > From your past conversations it sounds like you need some kind of "stack"
> > focused session that covers several layers of tools, so I think you're on
> track with that
> > one.  You probably can't go wrong unless you chose a more advanced topic
> or one that
> > is looking only at one piece of the larger architecture (like PostGIS).
>  Just a thought,
> > hope you can make it!
> >
> > Tyler
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[OSGeo-Discuss] C# DotSpatial Library Workshop at FOSS4G

[Daniel Ames]

Hey all,

Just a quick invitation to sign up for our C# DotSpatial Library workshop at
FOSS4G. We're excited to show you all what the DotNet/DotSpatial group has
accomplished in the last year, and for any of you who like to code in C# (or
want to learn) we hope you'll enjoy this workshop. By the end of the
workshop you will be fully equipped to design and deploy a full GIS desktop
application. Tutorials include working with projections, using the
map/legend controls, working with vector/raster data types, etc.

Also, although the focus is on C#, we will also have materials available to
do the tutorials in VB.NET.

- Dan

P.S. For those of you who are unfamiliar with DotSpatial: it's goal is to
bring together all the best .NET based FOSS4g tools into a single
well-integrated programming suite as an alternative to ArcObjects for custom
GIS software/tool development.

P.P.S. A DotSpatial OSGeo project incubation application is being prepared,
so this workshop will also be used to introduce the project in general for
that purpose.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Advice - alternative to google maps v3 Javascript API????

[Daniel Ames]

I'm copying your question to the DotNet OSGeo group who might have some
suggestions. You could look at both SharpMap and DotSpatial as ASP.NET back
ends for example. - Dan

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:05 AM, quade  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I'm trying to develop a vehicle tracking system
> I'd planned to use the google maps api
>
> However, someone mentioned they want lots of money per year to use it, and
> suggested openlayers instead
>
> I'm really confused about the whole thing
> Can i use openlayers (or anything else) and use the title maps from google
> maps and still get around the licence issue?
>
> I'm a .net developer, but have no experience in maps so have a steep
> learning curve
>
> I would really appreciate some guidance on my options
> Thanks all
> Mark
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification

[Daniel Ames]

I tend to agree with Cameron on this one. There is already the GISci
certification process that we don't want to compete with. Plus which
particular tools from the OSGeo stack would one be required to be proficient
in to be "OSGeo Certified". I think that if a particular project wanted to
create a certification program - perhaps with help from OSGeo - that would
make more sense. One could become "certified in GRASS". But to say you are
"OSGeo Certified" would be hard to quantify/explain.

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Cameron Shorter
wrote:

> On 10/06/2011 4:07 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
>
>> Il 09/06/2011 21:38, Tyler Mitchell ha scritto:
>>
>>  Anyone else thinking about this or want to weigh-in on what their
>>> thoughts were?
>>>
>> If this competes with the activities the professionals and enterprises are
>> currently
>> offering, -1. We want OSGeo to support our work, not to compete with it.
>> This would
>> have a number of negative consequences, IMHO.
>> All the best.
>>
>
> Like Paolo, I'm very nervous about OSGeo taking on a training role for the
> same reasons.
> Providing good training is a difficult business, which is provided by many
> of the OSGeo businesses who back OSGeo. If OSGeo starts to act as a business
> by providing such training, then OSGeo will start competing against its'
> core supporters. This has the potential to fracture the very strong OSGeo
> community, which is a bad thing.
>
> And while in principle, the idea of OSGeo providing a trusted, unbiased
> training certification program, I think a very quick review of the business
> case behind it will make it unfavourable. Either the training program will
> be of low quality and low credibility, or it will attach such high cost to
> courses that the courses will be harder to sell.
>
> Creating certification takes a lot of work, which needs to be resourced. I
> might be wrong, but I can't see volunteers stepping forward to build a
> certification program, at least not in the immediate future. Maybe some
> Governments might step up (as has been done for certifying OGC standards),
> but I expect governments will have better things to spend money on. The
> other group who could write a certification program are training
> organisations themselves. But I don't think these training organisations are
> likely to make much extra money with a certification in place. And I don't
> think trainees are likely prepared to pay an extra 30% for their course in
> order to see a "certification" stamp. (And that 30% is just to pay for
> certification development, before OSGeo makes a profit).
>
> I'd like to be proven wrong, but I don't think we are ready for OSGeo
> certification, and I think it is bad business for OSGeo to compete with
> OSGeo companies by providing training directly.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hello everybody

[Daniel Ames]

Carsten, with your background in VB and interest in C#, you should also
consider joining the dot...@lists.osgeo.org mailing list and check out our
projects including DotSpatial, SharpMap and others (search "gis" on
codeplex.com and go to town). - Dan

- Dan

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On Apr 20, 2011 2:21 PM, "Carsten Troelsgaard" 
wrote:
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Alas I found a group that share my interests. It feels like I've been a
long time under way.
> I found you through TifLib. I've been looking for useful information about
how to access data in geoTiff, and there it was.
>
> I have a general interest in 'visualisation'. That would mean anything
from doing small drawing programs to 'fast and furious' 3d-graphics showing
georeferenced data. I am an amateur programmer, with emphasis on amateur and
in the low Visual Basic (VB) league as such .. that doesn't prevent me from
having a good time or creating something usefull. I started doing VB 20
years ago in the MS Office Excel attachment and is currently using a free
version of Visual Studio 2010. The net.framework that spans the gab between
coding-languages makes it difficult to take the final jump and become a
'real' programmer (in C# or C++).
>
> I'm well educated, in part as a ceramican, in part as a sedimentary
geologist - and very unimployed. Don't acuse me for abusing an easy-to-use
educational system 'cos I would not be able to defend myself. I succeeded in
getting some 'fast and furious' graphics up and running a good year ago. It
was a new and encouraging experience to get hold of USGS DEM-data and
achually watch it in the program. Getting the higher resolution of the
public aster-data has become a natural target, but getting to watch fast and
furious DEM in the first place sort'a overextended my abilities. Getting to
understand Tiff/geoTiff and how to approach it programmatically has become a
priority.
>
> ... so, I'll be lurking to see if I can get a gist of where how and what
>
> Kindly
> Carsten Troelsgaard
>
> ps. I have a net-provider account that runs for short periods at a time,
so I may abrubtly vanish from discussions from time to time.
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: CUAHSI Senior Software Engineer/Architect

[Daniel Ames]

Please see the position announcement below.

- Dan

Daniel P. Ames Ph.D.
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From: "Conrad Matiuk" 
Date: Apr 6, 2011 9:55 AM
Subject: CUAHSI Senior Software Engineer/Architect
To: 

*Senior Software Engineer/Architect*

* *

The Consortium of Universities for the Advancement of Hydrologic Science,
Inc. (CUAHSI) seeks a senior software engineer/architect to lead the
development of data services for the academic water science research
community.



The Senior Software Engineer/Architect will develop a strategy to transition
a standards-based services-oriented architecture for publication and
discovery of water data from a research project to an operational service.
The research project, CUAHSI Hydrologic Information System (HIS) consists of
a central metadata catalog (HydroCatalog), a data publication server stack
(HydroServer) and a data access, visualization, and analysis client
(HydroDesktop). HIS has been developed in a Microsoft .NET environment and
utilizes various commercial packages, including Microsoft SQL Server and
ESRI’s ArcGIS Server software.



The ideal candidate will have both a background in water science research
(in the fields of earth science, engineering, or ecology) and a strong
informatics background with understanding of Open Geospatial Consortium
(OGC) web service and data encoding standards, web services, and relational
data bases. The ideal candidate will possess the leadership and management
skills necessary to work in interdisciplinary teams and to manage employees.
**



To be considered for this position, candidates must possess a combination of
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being either a PhD, multiple Master’s Degrees or a Master’s Degree with at
least 3 years of experience. The degrees may be in computer science,
hydrologic science or engineering or a combination of fields.**



Please submit your resume—including names, addresses, and contact
information for 3 to 5 references—and cover letter to bus...@cuahsi.org.
Interviews will begin in May 2011 and continue until a suitable candidate
has been found. We have a target hiring date of July 1, 2011.  The preferred
location for this position is in CUAHSI’s Medford, MA office, but alternate
locations will be considered.



Additional information about the HIS project can be found at
http://his.cuahsi.org. Additional information about CUAHSI is at
http://www.cuahsi.org.  An expanded version of this listing is available at
http://www.cuahsi.org/docs/CUAHSI-SE-PD.pdf.



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[OSGeo-Discuss] MapWindow/DotSpatial 2011 - User/Developer Conference

[Daniel Ames]

Dear OSGeo Discuss List:

The MapWindow project team is pleased to announce that we are hosting an
"OSGeo DotNet" focused conference and workshops June 13-15, 2011 in San
Diego, California. There is more information and a call for abstracts on the
conference web site:

http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011/presenters.php

The call for
abstracts closes on March 31, so please let me know soon if you are
interested in participating.

We know that a large portion of our OSGeo community is more comfortable in
Linux than in Windows, but there continues to be a growing interest in and
demand for programmer tools based on the DotNet environment - and those of
us on the OSGeo DotNet side of things don't think that the proprietary
vendors should control that market. :)

So this event will be centered on the MapWindow project, the new DotSpatial
programmer library (think open source ArcObjects) and several other very
cool software tools (SharpMap, Whitebox, and others).

If you are at all interested in learning more about these projects please
consider coming to this event.

Sincerely,

Dan

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [Gisusers] GIS and Surveying in Florida

[Daniel Ames]

(Sorry for cross posting. But if you haven't seen this read on - and close
your GIS office in Florida. )

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From: Keith Weber 
Date: Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:52 PM
Subject: [Gisusers] GIS and Surveying in Florida
To: gisus...@mm.isu.edu


Subject: Florida Board's decision



I wanted to let those of you who have expressed an interest in this case
that the Florida Board of Professional Surveyors and Mappers gave me their
verbal answer at today's hearing, although the written order will not be out
for a few weeks.  I had expected that they would either refuse to answer the
question or find that everything was surveying.  They did both during a
hearing that was mostly a series of personal attacks on me with little time
spent on the actual issue.



The technical answer is that they rejected the petition because the answer
was so obvious as to not present a controversy.  The short real answer is
that the Board eliminated the GIS profession in Florida today.  They put the
bright line defining the limits of licensed practice of surveying and
mapping at the far edge, saying that no one except a licensed surveyor or
someone under the direct charge of a licensed surveyor can compile any
spatial data or produce any map.  There are no exceptions based on scale,
accuracy requirement, geographic extent, subject, public/private
distinction, internal/external distinction, or historical precedence.
Everything is a survey and must meet the technical requirements of a survey,
as defined in administrative rules.  Everything.



I specifically asked about a number of common practices by non-surveyors,
such as using GPS units to compile utility inventory data, tracing the
apparent outline of features visible in an orthophotograph, and deriving
features from LiDAR data using software.  I even went to my old standby, law
enforcement using transits and photogrammetry to document crash and crime
scenes.  All were judged to require a license.  I also asked about
geographers drawing maps, and, and again, the answer was no, only surveyors
can draw maps.  In response to my testimony that I use GIS to create maps,
the Board directed that I be charged with the unlicensed practice of
surveying.  They also directed that I stop using the ASPRS Certified Mapping
Scientist credential, as it was judged as misleading people into believing
that I held a surveying license due to the presence of the word "Mapping" in
the title.  My use of this credential will also be part of the unlicensed
practice charge, as will my preparation of the LiDAR RFP, as only someone
qualified to do the work can prepare a procurement for it.  The only thing
they said I could do is design databases and software.  Anything related to
spatial data itself required a surveying license.



The longer answer is that the stage has been set for a legislative approach
to the problem.  By finding my activities as an employee of the City of
Ocoee to constitute the unlicensed practice of surveying, they are also
exposing the City to such a charge and resulting fines.  This now moves the
issue into the realm of the City having to defend the charges.  I spent the
afternoon with the City Attorney, City Engineer, Assistant City Manager, and
certain well-placed political folks.  My complaints regarding the unlicensed
practice by others will be filed soon.  A more detailed article will be
written once we get the transcript.



As you may know, I have resigned from the URISA Policy Committee in order to
avoid any possibility of your being judge as co-conspirators.  So, if you
want to do something soon, it will need to be on your own initiative.  BTW,
the CCNA reform legislation to add best-value procurement is in bills in
both house of the Florida Legislature.  We will likely use those as vehicles
to make clarifications regarding the scope of surveying and mapping.



Al Butler

505 E Esther St

Orlando, FL 32806

407-376-3258

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Ravi OSGeo

[Daniel Ames]

Great point Ravi. People continually tell me they like MapWindow for its
simple GUI. Interestingly I was also training Vietnamese GIS students last
week in Ho Chi Minh City. - Dan

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Ravi  wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
> was teaching a bunch of young kids open source GIS, for 3 days (CSSTEP /
> IIRS Dehradun, India) 2 of them from Vietnam. They were so pleased by
> OpenJUMP that they
> made me spend a whole morning and after noon (the only day off I had)
> 'Mineral prognostication', using 'OpenJUMP'.
>
> Front ends being easy, and learning curves (a breeze) matter after all,
> than
> how much is packed in a OS-GIS software.
>
> Cheers
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Seeking Articles, Reports, and Volunteers for Volume 9 of the OSGeo Journal

[Daniel Ames]

We're certainly interested in test cases, applications, and interesting new
developments related to OSGeo projects, but manuscripts about or related to
other open source GIS project are also very. - Dan

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Ann Hitchcock wrote:

> Hi Landon,
>
>
>
> Is the journal exclusively for OSGeo projects or can other open source
> software projects contribute?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
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> Volume 9 of the OSGeo Journal
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>
>
> While Tyler Mitchell is working hard to wrap up the work and publish Volume
> 8 of the OSGeo Journal, I’ve started work with some of our other volunteers
> on Volume 9. We hope to publish Volume 9 at the beginning of April.
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you are interested in contributing an article to
> Volume 9, or if you can volunteer to help put it together. We need authors,
> reviewers, editors, and LaTex handlers.
>
>
>
> As a reminder, you can also submit articles for publication in the
> peer-review section of the Journal.
>
>
>
> Volume 9 will also be filling the role of our annual report. So I’ll be
> asking each OSGeo Project and OSGeo Chapter for a brief report about last
> year’s activities. We’d like to get all articles and reports for Volume 9
> submitted by the end of February so our volunteer team will have time to
> review and request revisions from the authors.
>
>
>
> If you want to help or submit material for Volume 9, please e-mail me (
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> You can find the wiki page for Volume 9 here:
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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Journal Call for Papers for Peer Review/Research Section

[Daniel Ames]

Dear Colleagues,

As a section editor for the OSGeo Journal, I would like to personally invite
you to consider preparing an original manuscript on your research and
software development activities for publication in the OSGeo Journal.
Preparations are underway for Volume 9 which will be published in April. To
be considered for publication in this volume, please submit your brief paper
(6-8 pages preferably) using the online journal management system here:
http://www.osgeo.org/ojs/index.php/journal.

OSGeo Journal is not ISI Indexed, but all papers will be peer reviewed and
the journal is published in an open/online format for free.

Sincerely,

Dan

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Foss4g sponsorship question

[Daniel Ames]

Great question! I'd potentially be an early sponsor too, but need more
detail. - Dan

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Jeroen Ticheler  wrote:

> Hi FOSS4G organizers,
> I read there's a discount for early sponsors when committing before 1
> january 2011. But there's no document telling us how and how expensive this
> is... Time is running out :-(
>
> http://wiki.osgeo.osuosl.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2011_Sponsor_Page
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[OSGeo-Discuss] What are the most important GIS functions?

[Daniel Ames]

Friends,

I have a student who is asking this fairly straightforward question as part
of his research effort in GIS. We searched high and low in the literature
and haven't found any sort of definitive statement or research result
ranking the importance of various GIS capabilities so I encouraged him to
create a survey and ask the GIS community. We are sending the survey to many
groups so that we don't get a project specific bias so I apologize if you've
already seen this request. Likewise if you are aware of a GIS mailing list
that would be appropriate for this survey, please let me know.

Your participation in this survey would be much appreciated!

Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TDZNHKG

On behalf of Anderson Sandes,

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Re: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination

[Daniel Ames]

Thanks :)
On Nov 9, 2010 5:16 PM, "Michael P. Gerlek"  wrote:
> [disclaimer: I'm the one who nominated Dan]
>
> Having admired MapWindow from afar from some time, I had the opportunity
to spend a couple days with Dan and his team a few months ago and came away
very impressed. Dan is doing a great job in bringing C#/.NET into the OSGeo
world via the DotSpatial world, what with bringing a whole library into play
and running a conference and yet still pursuing a geo research job.
>
> A vote for Dan is a vote for... oh, gosh, I dunno... It's a vote to add a
Third Way[1] to the C++ -vs- Java intertribal dialogs? Something like that.
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_%28centrism%29
>
> -mpg
>
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:
discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Ames
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:22 AM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination
>
> Hi all, I appreciate being nominated as an OSGeo Charter Member. I've been
participating with OSGeo since the 2006 Lausanne conference and am regularly
involved in the edu committee and newsletter/journal committee. I've funded
sponsorship at Lausanne, Sydney and Capetown and am always giving OSGeo
pitches at other conferences I attend. Presently I'm helping lead the OSGeo
DotNet programmer community including setting up the OSGeo DotNet mailing
list, and helping kick off a new project of OSGeo DotNet programmers called
DotSpatial (an API that brings together topology, visualization, data
access, etc for the DotNet world). In addition to the DotSpatial project (by
the way you can find it at http://dotspatial.codeplex.com) I manage the open
source MapWindow project (http://mapwindow.org) which some of you may have
heard of. I'd be happy to participate more fully with OSGeo through Charter
Membership.
>
> (P.S. I'm also organizing the 2011 MapWindow and OSGeo DotNet Conference
in San Diego, California in June 2011. Please consider coming!!! See
http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011/)
>
> - Dan
>
> --
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> Associate Professor, Geosciences
> Idaho State University - Idaho Falls
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Greek Inspire Metadata Editor (gimed)

[Daniel Ames]

Coming late to this discussion, I would point out that the FSF article about
Mono is based entirely on conjecture. Particularly this statement:

"Microsoft is probably planning to force all free C# implementations
underground some day using software patents"

I suspect if the OSGeo world were to base all decisions on the threat of
potential future patent litigation, we'd pretty much all just have to close
shop and go fishing or become used car salesmen instead of writing
software...

- Dan


On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Nikos Alexandris <
nikos.alexand...@felis.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:

> Cameron:
>
> > > Why was gimed developed rather than extending GeoNetwork?
>
> Angelos:
>
> > - When developing for HEMCO project, the time frame was very limited and
> > I estimated that a clean implementation would be faster.
> > - The project's specifications were also requiring C# because other non
> > FOSS API's were involved.
>
> I (too) was curious about that Angele (talming about C# and Mono). It is
> not
> clear to me, as an end-user, if and what dangerous license implications
> could
> rise in the future (reading: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono).
>
> I hope we will find the time to discuss about this and other issues in the
> upcoming GeoDataCamp in Athens.
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination

[Daniel Ames]

Hey that would be great, let's do it! I'll shoot you a P.M. do discuss
potential details. - Dan

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:

> On 11/09/2010 11:22 AM, Daniel Ames wrote:
> > Hi all, I appreciate being nominated as an OSGeo Charter Member. I've
> been
> > participating with OSGeo since the 2006 Lausanne conference and am
> regularly
> > involved in the edu committee and newsletter/journal committee. I've
> funded
> > sponsorship at Lausanne, Sydney and Capetown and am always giving OSGeo
> > pitches at other conferences I attend. Presently I'm helping lead the
> OSGeo
> > DotNet programmer community including setting up the OSGeo DotNet mailing
> > list, and helping kick off a new project of OSGeo DotNet programmers
> called
> > DotSpatial (an API that brings together topology, visualization, data
> > access, etc for the DotNet world). In addition to the DotSpatial project
> (by
> > the way you can find it at http://dotspatial.codeplex.com) I manage the
> open
> > source MapWindow project (http://mapwindow.org) which some of you may
> have
> > heard of. I'd be happy to participate more fully with OSGeo through
> Charter
> > Membership.
> >
> > (P.S. I'm also organizing the 2011 MapWindow and OSGeo DotNet Conference
> in
> > San Diego, California in June 2011. Please consider coming!!! See
> > http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011/)
> >
> > - Dan
> >
>
> Dan,
>
> We've been discussing doing a General OSGeo "West" conference in
> California, what do you think about possible collaboration with the
> California Chapter?
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Charter Member Nomination

[Daniel Ames]

(correction: we gave workshops at Lausanne and did booths and workshops at
Sydney and South Africa ;) )

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Daniel Ames  wrote:

> Hi all, I appreciate being nominated as an OSGeo Charter Member. I've been
> participating with OSGeo since the 2006 Lausanne conference and am regularly
> involved in the edu committee and newsletter/journal committee. I've funded
> sponsorship at Lausanne, Sydney and Capetown and am always giving OSGeo
> pitches at other conferences I attend. Presently I'm helping lead the OSGeo
> DotNet programmer community including setting up the OSGeo DotNet mailing
> list, and helping kick off a new project of OSGeo DotNet programmers called
> DotSpatial (an API that brings together topology, visualization, data
> access, etc for the DotNet world). In addition to the DotSpatial project (by
> the way you can find it at http://dotspatial.codeplex.com) I manage the
> open source MapWindow project (http://mapwindow.org) which some of you may
> have heard of. I'd be happy to participate more fully with OSGeo through
> Charter Membership.
>
> (P.S. I'm also organizing the 2011 MapWindow and OSGeo DotNet Conference in
> San Diego, California in June 2011. Please consider coming!!! See
> http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011/)
>
> - Dan
>
> --
> Daniel P. Ames, Ph.D. PE
> Associate Professor, Geosciences
> Idaho State University - Idaho Falls
> amesd...@isu.edu
> geology.isu.edu
> www.mapwindow.org
>
>
>


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Member Nomination

[Daniel Ames]

Hi all, I appreciate being nominated as an OSGeo Charter Member. I've been
participating with OSGeo since the 2006 Lausanne conference and am regularly
involved in the edu committee and newsletter/journal committee. I've funded
sponsorship at Lausanne, Sydney and Capetown and am always giving OSGeo
pitches at other conferences I attend. Presently I'm helping lead the OSGeo
DotNet programmer community including setting up the OSGeo DotNet mailing
list, and helping kick off a new project of OSGeo DotNet programmers called
DotSpatial (an API that brings together topology, visualization, data
access, etc for the DotNet world). In addition to the DotSpatial project (by
the way you can find it at http://dotspatial.codeplex.com) I manage the open
source MapWindow project (http://mapwindow.org) which some of you may have
heard of. I'd be happy to participate more fully with OSGeo through Charter
Membership.

(P.S. I'm also organizing the 2011 MapWindow and OSGeo DotNet Conference in
San Diego, California in June 2011. Please consider coming!!! See
http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2011/)

- Dan

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2010: Good, Bad and the Ugly

[Daniel Ames]

>From the the point of view of someone processing travel through the
university travel office, having the "swag" as part of the registration bill
is MUCH better.

We can claim reimbursement for "registration" but not for individual
goodies, like a t-shirt. So really, being honest about it, I much prefer to
have the swag cost built in. That goes for special tours and dinners as
well..

@LausanneFans the Lausanne T-Shirt was the best conference T-shirt I ever
got. It's got this unique soft texture that always gets me a snuggle from my
sweetheart when I'm wearing it. Maybe all you Europeans have softer shirts
than us?

- Dan

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Ravi  wrote:

> Though I was not there, but for this discussion, would not have got the
> feel.
> Venkatesh, keep it going.. This is a good feed back for future event
> planners.
>
> The 'bad', I found is the best for DOs' and DONTs for the future.
>
> Ravi Kumar
>
> --- On *Thu, 16/9/10, Paolo Corti * wrote:
>
>
> From: Paolo Corti 
>
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2010: Good, Bad and the Ugly
> To: "OSGeo Discussions" 
> Cc: "Jeroen Ticheler" 
> Date: Thursday, 16 September, 2010, 6:15 PM
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Mateusz Loskot 
> http://mc/compose?to=mate...@loskot.net>>
> wrote:
> > On 16/09/10 09:13, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:
> >> On 15 sep 2010, at 11:38, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
> >>
> >>> d) Had to pay for FOSS4G2010 T-Shirt
> >>
> >> I very much supported this idea of paying for the shirts! How many
> >> T-Shirts end up being unused? It makes a lot of sense from an
> >> ecological / sustainability point of view to not just give away for
> >> free.
> >
> > I second Jeroen's opinion here.
> > The price was 5 EUR per t-shirt making it affordable.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > --
> > Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
> > Charter Member of OSGeo, http://osgeo.org
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> >
>
> In my opinion: no problem to pay, but it would make more sense if it
> would have been in a better material.
> I think it could be sold for even more than 10-15 EUR, but the quality
> should be good ;)
> As it was written in a previous email, this kind of stuff (t-shirts,
> bags...) make an impressive marketing when used in social events, so
> it would make a big difference if the t-shirt life is longer.
> P
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2010: Good, Bad and the Ugly

[Daniel Ames]

>From the the point of view of someone processing travel through the
university travel office, having the "swag" as part of the registration bill
is MUCH better.

We can claim reimbursement for "registration" but not for individual
goodies, like a t-shirt. So really, being honest about it, I much prefer to
have the swag cost built in. That goes for special tours and dinners as
well..

@LausanneFans the Lausanne T-Shirt was the best conference T-shirt I ever
got. It's got this unique soft texture that always gets me a snuggle from my
sweetheart when I'm wearing it. Maybe all you Europeans have softer shirts
than us?

- Dan

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Ravi  wrote:

> Though I was not there, but for this discussion, would not have got the
> feel.
> Venkatesh, keep it going.. This is a good feed back for future event
> planners.
>
> The 'bad', I found is the best for DOs' and DONTs for the future.
>
> Ravi Kumar
>
> --- On *Thu, 16/9/10, Paolo Corti * wrote:
>
>
> From: Paolo Corti 
>
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2010: Good, Bad and the Ugly
> To: "OSGeo Discussions" 
> Cc: "Jeroen Ticheler" 
> Date: Thursday, 16 September, 2010, 6:15 PM
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Mateusz Loskot 
> http://mc/compose?to=mate...@loskot.net>>
> wrote:
> > On 16/09/10 09:13, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:
> >> On 15 sep 2010, at 11:38, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
> >>
> >>> d) Had to pay for FOSS4G2010 T-Shirt
> >>
> >> I very much supported this idea of paying for the shirts! How many
> >> T-Shirts end up being unused? It makes a lot of sense from an
> >> ecological / sustainability point of view to not just give away for
> >> free.
> >
> > I second Jeroen's opinion here.
> > The price was 5 EUR per t-shirt making it affordable.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > --
> > Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
> > Charter Member of OSGeo, http://osgeo.org
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> > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
>
> In my opinion: no problem to pay, but it would make more sense if it
> would have been in a better material.
> I think it could be sold for even more than 10-15 EUR, but the quality
> should be good ;)
> As it was written in a previous email, this kind of stuff (t-shirts,
> bags...) make an impressive marketing when used in social events, so
> it would make a big difference if the t-shirt life is longer.
> P
>
> --
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: New and Noteworthy in OS Geospatial?

[Daniel Ames]

Hi David. For what it's worth, MapWindow just passed the 300,000 download
mark, with 6,000 per month. Also the .NET world has an alternative to
ArcObjects now under development called DotSpatial. This project is being
developed by a large .NET team on codeplex and is quickly making progress. -
Dan

On Sep 1, 2010 3:09 PM, "Fawcett, David (MPCA)" 
wrote:
> Thanks to the few of you who had comments.
>
> Really, none of the rest of you want to brag about or promote your OSGEO
project?!
>
> Come on, any new features, optimizations, data formats, case studies,
etc.?
>
> David.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Fawcett, David (MPCA)
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:54 AM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: New and Noteworthy in OS Geospatial?
>
> I am working on a presentation focused on, "What's New and Cool in
OpenSource Geospatial" for a group of GIS professionals. This group is most
familiar with the proprietary ESRI stack, but there is a growing awareness
and interest in OpenSource.
>
> My goal is to introduce people to cool projects or features, highlighting
events and improvements from the past year. I am thinking of categories
including software, databases, community, and open data.
>
> I would greatly appreciate any ideas that people have on new or noteworthy
developments in OpenSource geospatial. Think about new projects, new
features, optimizations, events, use cases, etc.
>
> Please feel free to email me off-list or just respond to this message.
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> David Fawcett
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Help authoring tools

[Daniel Ames]

Do any of you have a preferred open source help authoring tool? We're
looking for something to document our projects on web pages - something
better than wiki - and also to download and install with software. Must be
cross platform, etc. I'd like to use whatever others are using in the OSGeo
community for consistency... - Dan

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[OSGeo-Discuss] New list for discussing all things OSGeo + .NET

[Daniel Ames]

Dear OSGeo'ers,

John Lindsay (University of Guelph) and myself (Dan Ames, Idaho State
University) have just set up - with the help of Tyler Mitchell - a new OSGeo
mailing list which is thematically based around the .NET and MONO
programming frameworks.

Please feel free to join us on this list. You can subscribe here:

http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/dotnet

We are particularly interested in corralling any one who is building or
using open source GIS tools using C# or VB.NET so that we can coordinate
our activities to the extent possible and help present a fairly unified .NET
front to the broader OSGeo community and beyond.

Our goals are to:
1) Foster collaboration and discussion amongst open source .NET
programmers;
2) Encourage the development of reusable, low level .NET framework-style
geospatial libraries;
3) Increase understanding and acceptance of .NET as a viable open source
programming environment among the OSGeo community.

Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Google Summer of Code 2010 begins

[Daniel Ames]

Great work, Wolf! And congrats to the students! - Dan

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Wolf Bergenheim

> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> first of all we at OSGeo would like to to thank all students who
> applied this year! THANK YOU :D
>
> Then congratulations are in order for the 10 students selected to
> participate in the program. Well done and welcome to the community!
> We'd wanted to take more students but unfortunately that isn't
> possible. For those of you who didn't get a selected we'd like to
> invite you to participate in the summer anyway. If you let us know
> that you intend to work on your project we're more than pleased to
> help you out! Even if you won't get the Google stipend you will get
> lots of experience and some very good contacts for the future. I, and
> (I'm sure other mentors as well) would be happy to write letters of
> recommendation to any student who complete their work, with or without
> a Google sponsored contract.
> If you do it without a slot you will have more freedom, but a plan is
> still a very good idea since it will help you finish.
>
> If you are curious to see what projects OSGeo is doing this year, go
> over to our home page in Melange[1] and have a look. The project plans
> will be detailed and wiki pages will be set up for the students within
> the near future, but the accepted project abstracts should be publicly
> visible.
>
> Thank you again, all students who applied and thank you to mentors for
> evaluating over 50 good proposals and selecting the top 10 slots.
>
> I will be sending further instructions to students and mentors later
> this week, for now, relax, and get to know your Student/Mentor(s).
>
> The summer is on!
> Wolf Bergenheim,
> OSGeo GSoC 2010 Administrator
>
> [1] http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/osgeo
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [SoC] Google Summer of Code 2010 begins

[Daniel Ames]

+1 Wolf. Good job on this, and congrats to the students! - Dan

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Sunburned Surveyor <
sunburned.surve...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for putting together the OSGeo SoC program once again Wolf!
>
> Landon
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Wolf Bergenheim
> > wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > first of all we at OSGeo would like to to thank all students who
> > applied this year! THANK YOU :D
> >
> > Then congratulations are in order for the 10 students selected to
> > participate in the program. Well done and welcome to the community!
> > We'd wanted to take more students but unfortunately that isn't
> > possible. For those of you who didn't get a selected we'd like to
> > invite you to participate in the summer anyway. If you let us know
> > that you intend to work on your project we're more than pleased to
> > help you out! Even if you won't get the Google stipend you will get
> > lots of experience and some very good contacts for the future. I, and
> > (I'm sure other mentors as well) would be happy to write letters of
> > recommendation to any student who complete their work, with or without
> > a Google sponsored contract.
> > If you do it without a slot you will have more freedom, but a plan is
> > still a very good idea since it will help you finish.
> >
> > If you are curious to see what projects OSGeo is doing this year, go
> > over to our home page in Melange[1] and have a look. The project plans
> > will be detailed and wiki pages will be set up for the students within
> > the near future, but the accepted project abstracts should be publicly
> > visible.
> >
> > Thank you again, all students who applied and thank you to mentors for
> > evaluating over 50 good proposals and selecting the top 10 slots.
> >
> > I will be sending further instructions to students and mentors later
> > this week, for now, relax, and get to know your Student/Mentor(s).
> >
> > The summer is on!
> > Wolf Bergenheim,
> > OSGeo GSoC 2010 Administrator
> >
> > [1] http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/osgeo
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Whitebox GAT (Chris Puttick)

[Daniel Ames]

As I said to John in a PM, I think what he's doing is extremely important
and will help bolster the concept of open source for the masses that we've
been pushing with our .NET MapWindow project.

Three cheers to ANYONE who is willing to bust their chops on some code and
put it out to the world!

- Dan

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) <
tmitch...@osgeo.org> wrote:

> P Kishor wrote:
> > Listen, I personally appreciate the zeal for open sourcing software
> > and data (most of my personal religion is based on the belief that
> > open data are better for everyone), but trash talking closed software
> > makes the whole world blind.
>
> Of course we never trash talk other open source languages either, do we?
>  Where would we be without all the good arguments for Python vs the
> 'others'... ;-)  Sorry, couldn't resist.
>
> Just to say, we have done pretty good on this list avoiding platform or
> language wars, but I am interested to learn what
> strengths/features/ease-of-use others find in their language of choice.
>   Just to be better educated, not to flame anyone.
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Learn about Open Source GIS for .NET (MapWindow 2010)

[Daniel Ames]

Dear fellow OSGeo'ers,

If you are interested in learning about open source GIS for the .NET
platform, please consider coming to MapWindow 2010 in Orlando,
Florida, 31 March - 2 April, 2010.
(http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2010/)

This is the first official meeting of the MapWindow GIS project team
since it's release as open source and will include workshops and
technical presentations on building applications for Windows using our
programming libraries, using our end-user desktop application, and
working with a number of third party applications for environmental
and water resources modeling built on the MapWindow platform.

MapWindow (http://www.mapwindow.org) is an ActiveX and .NET
programming library, plug-in development environment, and simple end
user desktop GIS primarily for the Windows operating system written in
C#, VB.NET and C++, and integrating and exposing to .NET programmers a
number of low level OSGeo libraries.

The main application receives approximately 6000 downloads per month
from around the world and has been downloaded over 270,000 times since
being released as open source in 2005. MapWindow It is translated in a
dozen or so languages and has a large source code contributor team
representing every continent except for Antarctica (sorry...)  and
there are about 9,000 people on our opt-in mailing list.

Please feel free to learn more about the project here:
http://www.mapwindow.org/ and also by joining us in Orlando for our
1st International Conference:
http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2010/

- Dan

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits?

[Daniel Ames]

How about a combination of something like open meetings for desktop
sharing with Google Voice Chat or Yahoo Chat for the voice? Yes, do
keep me in the loop Charlie. I'd be happy to give a webinar and if
this goes well we could evlove it into a course for seminar credit
here at ISU. - Dan

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Dan Putler  wrote:
> It is always good not to paste the URL twice, so a second shot at
> Openmeetings: http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
>
> On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 14:09 -0800, Dan Putler wrote:
>> Hi Charlie,
>>
>> Something to look at is Openmeetings:
>> http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
>>
>> I haven't installed it, but have used their demo site. It seems fairly
>> nice. I wanted to allow for screen sharing, and it does that well. Voice
>> volume was a bit of a problem on Linux, but not on Windows, and this may
>> be fixed at this point. I haven't tried video on it at this point.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 16:56 -0500, Charlie Schweik wrote:
>> > Hi Dan,
>> >
>> > Daniel Ames wrote:
>> > > Webinars are a great idea but need someone to host the webinar
>> > > software... any thoughts on how to do that? We could potentially help
>> > > out here at ISU with the desktop sharing side of things, but the
>> > > problem is the audio... - Dan
>> > >
>> > Good question, Dan! Webinar technology is not something I know that much
>> > about. But I imagine it is solvable (or is that naiive?)
>> > If my assumption is correct, let's see if we can get a list of a few
>> > webinar topics and people willing to present them, and then if that
>> > looks promising we can turn to this question.
>> >
>> > Can I put you down as a possible person to keep in the loop Dan?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Charlie
>> >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits?

[Daniel Ames]

Webinars are a great idea but need someone to host the webinar
software... any thoughts on how to do that? We could potentially help
out here at ISU with the desktop sharing side of things, but the
problem is the audio... - Dan

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Charlie Schweik
 wrote:
> Dimitris Kotzinos wrote:
>>
>> Dear Charlie,
>>
>> the idea sounds intriguing but we should bear in mind the different
>> requirements of the three actors you mentioned in your e-mail, so it would
>> be difficult to find the one size that fits all.
>
> Good point, Dimitris. As someone who teaches but also studies the public
> sector I agree wholeheartedly. If there was sufficient interest, perhaps we
> could have a series of these, e.g.:
>
> OS Geo technologies for high-school teachers
> - sub topics here
> OS Geo technologies for local governments
> - sub topics here
>
> At the same time, seminars on various technologies could, potentially, be
> somewhat generic.
>
>> Moreover we need to know a bit more an the needs we will try to cover and
>> finally we need the people who would do the job. As I said the idea is
>> interesting so I would interested in participating.
>
> I've had two responses so far from people possibly interested in
> participating in this. If there are others who might be interested in
> presenting a topic, let me know.
> If I get a few more I'll start a wiki page to try and start organizing
> topics and potential presenters. This may lead then to a conference call for
> further discussion.
>
> Cheers
> Charlie
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Late-added workshop for IEMSS 2010 - Software Development Issues and Going Open Source

[Daniel Ames]

Dear OSGeo Discuss List,

Because many of you are involved in environmental modeling like me, you may
be interested in attending iEMSs in Canada next summer (this is a major
biannual environmental modeling and software conference).  If  you are
already attending, or if you are considering attending, would you consider
submitting a talk in our open source and software development issues
workshop? (See below). We're looking for case studies in going open source -
related to environmental modeling...

Thanks, and Happy New Year!

- Dan



“S” is for “Software” – Licensing Issues, Shared Code Development, and Why
You Should Consider Going Open Source

(see this page for details: http://www.iemss.org/iemss2010/page31.html)

 W14. “S” is for “Software” – Licensing Issues, Shared Code Development, and
Why You Should Consider Going Open Source
Organisers: Daniel P. Ames, Idaho State University (dpa...@gmail.com)
Alex Storey, University of Guelph (a...@devmail.com)

Repeat after me: “I [state your name] am not going to get rich writing
environmental modeling software.” The sooner you and I and the rest of our
community accept this truism, the more quickly we can advance our science by
breaking down walls of software secrecy – be they intentionally or
unintentionally emplaced – and hence fostering collaborations at all phases
of modeling software development, testing, and use. Indeed, a new spirit of
software “openness” has sprung forth in some of the least likely of places.
To wit: Microsoft now sponsors a fast growing open source software
development community portal and has released all of its key development
languages as free “express editions” – in part to support the development of
open source software. This movement definitely follows the long standing
scientific tradition of publishing one’s research methods and findings in
the open literature; certainly the release of source code is the most
fundamental form of publication in the field of environmental modeling and
software.

There are many reasons why you may not be participating in the open source
movement. For example: discomfort at the thought of other individuals
viewing your spaghetti code, lack of a clear understanding of the different
licenses available and what they mean, lack of time and energy to manage
such an effort, or possibly delusional ideas about the fortune to be made
from selling your latest groundwater model optimization code (if this last
reason is yours, then be sure to review the opening mantra in this workshop
summary).

The purpose of this workshop is to address these issues through
presentations and discussion of 1) licensing options and implications, 2)
shared code development tools and systems, and 3) shared/open source model
software development case studies. Participation is sought from individuals
with experience and success stories related to this topic. Also, individuals
new to open source software development, or who are afraid that one day
their code will be sitting in a doorstop (the final resting place of so much
good code long since forgotten in an old worn out computer) are also highly
encouraged to join this workshop.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

[Daniel Ames]

Helena, perhaps we should move this discussion to the EDU list, since this
side by side comparison you have done could be expanded to include multiple
desktop applications and would be fantastic to have as an educational tool.
Perhaps we can copy your exercises on a WIKI page and then encourage other
teams to post solutions using other desktop apps where they can? Then we'd
all have this as a resource to use in classes... - Dan

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Helena Mitasova wrote:

> I have numerous examples of gis  tasks done side-by-side in GRASS and
> ArcGIS here:
>
>
> http://courses.ncsu.edu/mea582/lec/001/GIS_anal_assign/GIS_Anal_Assignall.html
>
> The data for the examples are available as GRASS data location and ArcGIS
> geodatabase
> (links on top of the document)
> as well as in shape and ArcGRID format (I could not get all rasters convert
> correctly to GeoTIFF
> at the time I was preparing the data) here
> http://www.grassbook.org/data_menu3rd.php
>
> It certainly does not cover everything (especially vector data and database
> examples are very limited)
> but there is plenty to show various aspects of GIS from simple display and
> visualization to complex
> analysis.
>
> It would be interesting to see some of these examples done in other systems
> - we tried QGIS but that ended up
> using GRASS plugin too much, so other more independent software would be
> more interesting.
> I will be updating the material in next few months to capture the latest
> developments and plan
> to add another course with examples in different software packages in fall.
> I am sure there will be a lot of interest here to see how at least some of
> the tasks are executed
> in MapWindows of gvSIG and also extension of this material to cover more
> vector / database
> and image processing material.
>
> Feel free to use the data, the examples are various modifications of the
> examples from the GRASbook,
>
> Helena
>
>
>
> Helena Mitasova
> Associate Professor
> Department of Marine, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
> North Carolina State University
> 1125 Jordan Hall
> NCSU Box 8208
> Raleigh, NC 27695-8208
> http://skagit.meas.ncsu.edu/~helena/
>
> email: hmit...@unity.ncsu.edu
> ph: 919-513-1327 (no voicemail)
> fax 919 515-7802
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
>
>  Hei Dan,
>>
>> thanks for the thoughts - I like them too and thats what I see too.. we
>> need not only to bring up the highlights between FOSGIS but even more to
>> convince people to eventually have a look on FOSGIS by comparing it to ESRIs
>> desktop software, since they have set a bit the standards (at least for
>> teaching higher level geography GIS courses).
>>
>> But two notes: I doubte that ESRI has 80% because this would mean the
>> utility market is not considered. And I think one talks here more about ESRI
>> in a gegraphical analysis perspective. While I am not sure what the average
>> GIS user actually does (i.e. How many do queries, do editing, do "real"
>> analysis?).
>>
>> I like your subquestions - and allow me to add comments :)
>>
>>> And the three main sub-questions are:
>>> Can I open the same files?
>>>
>> well.. on the c-tribe side yes thanks to Gdal/OGR? But i would restrict to
>> core file types (shp, dxf, mif, raster stuff)
>>
>>  Can I make the same maps?
>>>
>> uuhmmm - not yet, but...?
>>
>>  Can I do the same analyses?
>>>
>> With Sextante probably yes, now.
>>
>>  Can I teach the same lessons?
>>>
>> Ahh.. that hits a point. As we need to tell students about "this open
>> source stuff". I actually plan to check out the next days if I can replace
>> some arcgis analysis tools with sextante for a course.
>>
>> So maybe we check what is taugth in the GIS core curriculum?
>>
>>  Something like the MS thesis about GRASS and ArcGIS that was mentioned,
>>> but web-based and updated by the various project members.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds good and its great if you would have even student resources.
>> I actually tried to do such comparison already in my second publication on
>> GIS in landscape ecology and in my last talks - my result was: Most of the
>> FOS desktop GIS are on the ArcView level and a bit beyond, but we can not
>> compete with ArcInfo (leave a side the need for an easy map making tool -
>> not sure how good the last QGIS tool is). So by now I see our chance in
>> providing "specialist" tools for target groups that are either too small for
>> ESRI, Pitney Bowes & Intergraph & Co to be ever included in their official
>> distribution or that may be to expensive to be bought as extension for some
>> (I remember a friend who once needed Maplex for labeling but not the rest of
>> ArcGIS ArcInfo analysis features). And we would need to highlight which
>> whose things are.
>>
>> here a link to that pub:
>>
>> http://www.geo.uzh.ch/~sstein/finalpub/steiniger_geographic_information_tools_ecoinf2009.pdf
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

[Daniel Ames]

I teach ArcGIS 9.3 every semester, so I'll happily provide that perspective
(as well as the MapWindow desktop perspective).

By the way Tyler gave an awesome OSGeo talk at AGU in San Francisco last
week and handled the "how does this stack up to ESRI" question brilliantly.
I believe the answer was, "We see ESRI as a major success story for OSGeo
since they've adopted GDAL and OGR." Couldn't have been addressed more
perfectly.

- Dan

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)  wrote:

>
> > So if this is true, then that means that 80% of GIS users are asking
> > the question, "Why should I use desktop open source XXX instead of ESRI?"
>
> I get more questions asking about the differences between FOSS projects
> than between FOSS and proprietary products.  If people are already
> coming to FOSS4G, or to OSGeo in some other way, they likely already
> want to use open source but want help choosing a path.
>
> I do agree that many wonder how we stack up to proprietary but I hope we
> stick to what we know best.  That is, unless proprietary folks join the
> shootout.  :)
>
> Just a thought,
> Tyler
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

[Daniel Ames]

Hi all,

This is a great discussion and I think that we're all generally on the same
page. Here's a little more food for thought regarding a desktop shootout:

Why compare to ESRI? The answer is because they own the lion's share of the
market with "one-third of the global market share, and are used by nearly 80
percent of GIS users worldwide from all professions." (at least that's what
Wikipedia says...).

So if this is true, then that means that 80% of GIS users are asking the
question, "Why should I use desktop open source XXX instead of ESRI?" And
the three main sub-questions are:

Can I open the same files?
Can I make the same maps?
Can I do the same analyses?
Can I teach the same lessons?

So rather than looking inward at ourselves and watching a "shoot out"
between the FOSS solutions (which presumably results with someone lying dead
and bleeding on the floor...), it be more productive and better for the
"cause" to look *outward *and do some kind of a comparison that helps those
80% of all GIS users answer the questions above?

Something like the MS thesis about GRASS and ArcGIS that was mentioned, but
web-based and updated by the various project members. I'd be happy to commit
some student resources to this evaluation, particularly if some subcommittee
of people could agree on what the tests would entail.

- Dan



On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Miguel Montesinos <
mmontesi...@prodevelop.es> wrote:

>  Hello,
>
>
>
> I think that a simple comparison to what ArcGIS does is limitating. Several
> issues arises:
>
>
>
> -  Why compare to ArcGIS 9.3 and not Geomedia, MapInfo,…?
>
> -  What about features that OS GIS desktops provides not present
> in ArcGIS 9.3?
>
>
>
> I’d rather have a comparison among all of them under equal conditions, for
> instance a feature comparison based on the maximum features all products
> offer, as well as a perfomance analysis.
>
>
>
> For this, a common dataset of both file and service based data should be
> available. In Spain there are “a lot” of public official geodata which could
> be used as test datasets.
>
>
>
> I also like very much Paul Ramsey’s approach about what I like and what I
> don’t made by people belonging to different projects.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> -
>
> Miguel Montesinos
>
> CTO
>
> PRODEVELOP, S.L.
>
> mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
>
> www.prodevelop.es
>
>
>
> Miguel Montesinos
>
>
>
> *De:* discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:
> discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *En nombre de *Daniel Ames
> *Enviado el:* lunes, 21 de diciembre de 2009 19:25
> *Para:* Maxim Dubinin; OSGeo Discussions
> *Asunto:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout
> atFOSS4G 2010?
>
>
>
> Folks, I like the structured comparison approach that Cameron outlined.
> Also equally (or perhaps more useful) would be to put together a wiki page
> with goals and benchmarks based on ArcGIS 9.3. And then indicate where the
> os packages compare. This would provide us with the ability to answer the
> most important question which is "can this do what the proprietary software
> does."  For example, we could post a couple of maps made in AG and then
> challenge each desktop team to create and upload the same maps. Etc.  I have
> a line shapefile with 200 shapes. We could upload it and have everyone do
> some timing to show how fast to load,pan, etc on the data. This could also
> serve as a way for some of the teams to see their own deficiencies and find
> critical tasks to work on (they could then update their reporting on the
> wiki and indicate the version number)... - Dan
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

[Daniel Ames]

Folks, I like the structured comparison approach that Cameron outlined. Also
equally (or perhaps more useful) would be to put together a wiki page with
goals and benchmarks based on ArcGIS 9.3. And then indicate where the os
packages compare. This would provide us with the ability to answer the most
important question which is "can this do what the proprietary software
does."  For example, we could post a couple of maps made in AG and then
challenge each desktop team to create and upload the same maps. Etc.  I have
a line shapefile with 200 shapes. We could upload it and have everyone do
some timing to show how fast to load,pan, etc on the data. This could also
serve as a way for some of the teams to see their own deficiencies and find
critical tasks to work on (they could then update their reporting on the
wiki and indicate the version number)... - Dan

On Dec 20, 2009 4:40 PM, "Maxim Dubinin"  wrote:

 Simon,

I was merely suggesting an approach. As I said, we didn't have a goal to
inform other what Desktop GIS is the best, we just wanted to present a model
dataset for many different packages, so that a person can try and choose by
himself.

However, there are some notes for each package at the bottom of the page.
Personally, I have a favorite, of course, but I don't think this is
appropriate to describe it here. That said, I think this will be relatively
easy to construct a matrix based on our experience with missing bits for
this particular task. We're currently going through updating software and
this project and will discuss this among participants.

Maxim

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G-2009-Tokyo/Osaka promotion video

[Daniel Ames]

Fascinating! I had no idea that there were two FOSS4G 2009 conferences this
year... - Dan

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Venkatesh Raghavan <
ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> FOSS4G-2009-Tokyo/Osaka promotion video
> is available on Youtube at
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF6_noLvmsw
>
> Enjoy!! Cheers!!
>
> Venka
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mind Map - Open Source Spatial Projects

[Daniel Ames]

Hi Bruce,

This is great work... I'm imagining this in an 8 foot tall poster at
the FOSS4G conference!

It would be great if you could add in the MapWindow project. MapWindow
GIS Desktop Application is a C#/.NET desktop GIS that is completely
open source and has about 6000 downloads per month from
www.MapWindow.org.

Also, under your library/developer tools, we the project also includes
a set of .NET libraries and a COM C++ ActiveX component based on both
NTS and GDAL.

- Dan





On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Bruce Bannerman
 wrote:
> I have been developing a Mind Map for a number of years, showing various
> Open Source spatial projects, with a summary of project features and links
> to project urls.
>
> It should help as an aide-memoire for Open Source spatial projects.
>
> I've released this under a Creative Commons license with the source in the
> OSGeo subversion repository.
>
>
>
> Details are at:
>
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Bruce.bannerman
>
>
> The information in the mind map is a little dated. Perhaps a few of us can
> collaborate to maintain it.
>
>
> Thanks to Tyler for his help in getting this into subversion.
>
>
>
> Bruce Bannerman
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Lurkers

[Daniel Ames]

Landon, et al.

I'm aware of this phenomenon in the MapWindow community as well. It is
particularly prominent with non-English speaking folks who, for a number of
reasons (mostly described by Bill below) don't feel comfortable joining the
conversation and openly participating in the project.

I think there is another clear reason for this behavior... they sometimes
just don't know that they are welcome/invited. This might be more of a
pronounced problem for those of us developing specifically for Windows
because Windows users have historically been told that they are not allowed
to participate.

However it's also a phenomenon of GIS in general. When was the last time
that the major GIS software vendor asked it's customers to actively join in
writing documentation, answering forum questions and - heaven forbid -
fixing bugs.

So how do you fix this. Well all I can think is to continually invite invite
invite. Everytime someone posts a forum question, give an answer and then
invite them to answer other people's questions. When people ask for bug
fixes, invite them to fix a big - or to hire someone to do it.  Any time you
get a personal communication, invite them to do something on the project.

This has helped a lot with our project, and I think we've landed some
awesome project participants (some of whom are likely reading this now!) by
letting them know how much we need them, and inviting them over and over to
participate.

That's my suggestion anyway,

Dan





On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Bill Thoen  wrote:

> I've been a moderator for a commercial desktop mapping forum for more than
> 10 years and this behavior is quite common. I think it has more to do with
> how people adapt to a social network than it has to do with anything unique
> in the Open Source world. Like Chris mentioned, the majority of subscribers
> prefer to lurk below the public visibility horizon in a way that resembles
> an iceberg where only the tip remains above the waterline while the majority
> of its bulk lurks below.
>
> People lurk for many of the reasons you suggest, but I think the most
> common one is that they don't feel expert enough to contribute anything
> useful to a thread, and the risk of saying something "stoopid" --in
> public... and worse, thus revealing to their GIS/mapping peers the depth of
> their ignorance-- is just too embarrassing to contemplate. Especially when
> compared with the perceived safety of remaining anonymous in the shadows
> where they can drink in new knowledge like free beer while also being
> entertained by the interplay of the forum's regularly featured fools and
> sages.
>
> If we assume that Maslow was right about what motivates people
> (self-interest) then lurking in an open source community and not
> participating is exactly the wrong thing to do. If your business depends on
> some FOSS tool, then it's in your self-interest to expand the environment in
> which it operates as much as possible. Because if what you sell depends on
> tools like OpenJUMP, you want OpenJUMP well supported with a lively user
> group, a good supply of free data, technologically competitive, and actively
> being developed. This is the key to making money out of bits instead of
> atoms. If you sell services, give away the software and the infrastructure
> of the environment it runs in. This expands the market for your services and
> since the tools are free, the more people who download them the bigger your
> market share gets. If you sell software, give away services that leverage
> it. But if you lurk and don't contribute to its development or the
> development of the environment in which it operates, then you're sort of
> stepping on your own air hose.
>
> - Bill Thoen
>
>
> Landon Blake wrote:
>
>>
>> I would like to get some comments on a phenomenon I have discovered among
>> the OpenJUMP community. I know for sure of one (1) company that maintains a
>> separate fork of OpenJUMP, but which monitors our mailing list and likely
>> grabs patches form our source code repository. They never participate in the
>> forums or make known their use of OpenJUMP in any other public manner.
>>
>> I think there is at least one other company that does this.
>>
>> I only learn of these companies when I am contacted by private e-mail to
>> work for them on OpenJUMP development, usually by some headhunter. I
>> actually did a little work for one of these companies (which was not a great
>> experience, but that is another story) and I was surprised at how important
>> OpenJUMP was to their operation. They even distributed it to their
>> customers.
>>
>> I couldn’t for the life of me figure out why this company wouldn’t take a
>> more active role in supporting the OpenJUMP community. I’m not necessarily
>> talking about money here, but about writing documentation, contributing
>> their own patches, or answering questions on the mailing lists. Our
>> community is very informal and open, and an organization could likely have a

[OSGeo-Discuss] Please Share: AWRA Announces Call for Abstracts for GIS in Water Resources Conference

[Daniel Ames]

(With apologies for cross posting... Please see the below announcement for
the biannual GIS in Water Resources conference of the American Water
Resources Association in March 2010 in Orlando Florida. This conference has
had a growing representation of projects from the OPEN SOURCE GIS world and
it would be awesome to see that continue! - Dan Ames)


*

***AWRA Announces Call for Abstracts for Spring 2010 *

*Conference on GIS in Water Resources*

Contact:   Terry Meyer, AWRA Marketing

(540) 687-8390 or *te...@awra.org* 

The American Water Resources Association’s (AWRA) upcoming specialty
conference on *GIS in Water
Resources*is accepting
abstracts through October 9, 2009. The conference will take
place March 29-31, 2010 at the Rosen Shingle Creek Hotel in Orlando, FL.
Recognizing that Geographic Information Systems (GIS) have become a
fundamental tool for the analysis, planning, and management of environmental
and water resources systems, AWRA launched a series of biennial conferences
on this increasingly important topic for water resources professionals.  The
spring 2010 conference will be the sixth in this series.

AWRA’s GIS conferences have seen both the breadth and depth of GIS
application areas in water resources and the variety of GIS software tools
to support such efforts expand dramatically in recent years.  This sixth
specialty conference will include presentations and topics on a number of
exciting new developments and research findings at the intersection of GIS
and water resources engineering and sciences. Researchers, practitioners,
and students working in this field are encourage d to submit and abstract
and plan to attend, keeping in mind that GIS includes commercial or open
source software, custom geospatial modeling solutions, virtual worlds,
web-based mapping, and more.

Visit the conference website for information about the conference or to
submit your abstract:
*http://www.awra.org/meetings/Florida2010/*.
 The Conference Program Committee encourages abstracts on a
wide-ranging
menu of GIS topics.  The complete list of topics can be accessed here:  *
http://www.awra.org/meetings/Florida2010/topics.html*.
   The deadline for submission of abstracts is October 9, 2009.

2010 AWRA Spring Specialty Conference

GIS in Water Resources VI

*http://www.awra.org/meetings/Florida2010*

Rosen Shingle Creek Hotel | Orlando, FL

March 29-31, 2010

AWRA is the premier non-governmental organization dedicated to the
advancement of multidisciplinary water resources management and research.
For over 40 years, AWRA has provided a forum for water resources
conservation and networking.  AWRA has members in every state and in over 50
nations.  More information at: *http://www.awra.org* .

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GIS_Libraries

[Daniel Ames]

IANAL either, but I do read wikipedia. So by way of clarification...
Everything I've read makes a clear distinction between GPL and LGPL such
that GPL code can not be embedded in or linked to a closed source
application. Period. Whereas L-GPL licensed code can be linked to a closed
source application.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License

So if the individual wants to link to GPL licensed code/libraries and is
willing to make his code GPL then fine. He can still run a commercial
business based on this code, as many people do.

But if he wants to keep his code under some closed-source license then he can
not link to or embed any GPL licensed code or library.

- Dan



On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM, P Kishor  wrote:

> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Daniel Ames  wrote:
> > Nenad,
> > The OSGeo projects use a variety of licenses. You'll see LGPL, MPL, GPL,
> > MIT, and others. If you are developing commercial tools, you'll need to
> > avoid GPL (someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
>
> 
> Disclaimer: IANAL. Get legal advice from your lawyer before embarking
> on your million dollar enterprise.
> 
>
> I'll correct you, because, as stated above, you are misrepresenting at
> best, and wrong at worst. ;-)
>
> GPL does not prevent you from making money. GPL only requires that if
> you modify the code that is under GPL, then you must redistribute the
> modified code under GPL. Granted this may not be easy to figure out in
> real world scenarios, but consider the following --
>
> Let's say ShapeLib is published under GPL (I don't know whether or not
> it is; this is only for illustration purpose). Let's say, MapServer
> utilizes ShapeLib, but doesn't modify ShapeLib, but uses ShapeLib as
> is. Let's say, MapServer's creator decides to make millions off of
> MapServer, Inc. He is under no obligation to release the source code
> of MapServer, but he is obligated to release the source code of
> ShapeLib, which is no big deal, because the source code of ShapeLib is
> already available to anyone.
>
> On the other hand, let's say, ShapeLib is modified to perform better,
> or differently, for MapServer. Now, there is an obligation to release
> the source code to the modified version of ShapeLib no matter what the
> value of that value-added might be. That is what the GPL obligates.
> MapServer itself is still governed by whatever license that its
> creator decides to apply.
>
>
> > Also take into consideration development platform/language.
> > My group (MapWindow project) has a number of people using our GIS SDK for
> > commercial applications in the .NET platform. MapWindow is licensed under
> > MPL 1.1 which supports commercial usage.
> > Dan
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Nenad Milasinovic
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I am interested is there any reliable open source, LGPL licensed GIS SDK
> >> or library suited for building commercial, platform independent GIS
> >> application on top of it.
> >> I am also interested for commercial solutions but only as SDK or
> library.
> >> I will appreciate any help.
> >>
> >> Best regards.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GIS_Libraries

[Daniel Ames]

Nenad,
The OSGeo projects use a variety of licenses. You'll see LGPL, MPL, GPL,
MIT, and others. If you are developing commercial tools, you'll need to
avoid GPL (someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

Also take into consideration development platform/language.

My group (MapWindow project) has a number of people using our GIS SDK for
commercial applications in the .NET platform. MapWindow is licensed under
MPL 1.1 which supports commercial usage.

Dan

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Nenad Milasinovic <
nenad.milasino...@zesium.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am interested is there any reliable open source, LGPL licensed GIS SDK or
> library suited for building commercial, platform independent GIS application
> on top of it.
> I am also interested for commercial solutions but only as SDK or library.
> I will appreciate any help.
>
> Best regards.
>
> --
> Nenad Milasinovic
> Software Development and Testing
>
> ---
>
> "ZESIUM mobile" d.o.o.
> Valentina Vodnika 8/9
> 21000 Novi Sad
> Serbia
> Tel: +381 (0)21 472 15 48
> Fax: +381 (0)21 472 15 49
> Mob: +381 (0)61 231 41 20
> E-mail: nenad.milasino...@zesium.com
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Call for Software demos -OSGIS 2009

[Daniel Ames]

Discuss List: Sorry guys! I forgot to check my "to" field, and sent my
personal email to all of you! Well, consider it as more advertising for
Suchith's OS GIS conference in England this summer (June 22 Nottingham)! -
Dan

2009/3/24 Daniel Ames 

> Suchith,
>
> I'm writing to let you know that (although I haven't been in contact!) I'm
> still planning to come to the conference on June 22 and do the MapWindow
> workshop. Have you got a schedule together yet for this? I wonder if I
> should give a short talk too during one of the paper sessions? What are your
> thoughts? Also what help do you need with the conference?
>
> - Dan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Suchith Anand <
> suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> We are inviting contributions for software demonstrations of open source
>> GIS technologies from interested people and organizations for OSGIS
>> 2009. Interested participants should submit an abstract description of
>> the Open source software demos (maximum 500 words) to
>> suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk before 30 March 2009.
>>
>> Details and registrations information at
>> http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/
>>
>> The OSGIS UK 2009 software demos will be presented at an separate
>> session to the conference audience. Please contact me for any
>> information needed.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Suchith Anand
>>
>> Dr Suchith Anand
>> Centre for Geospatial Science
>> Sir Clive Granger Building
>> University of Nottingham
>> Tel: (0)115 846 8408
>> url: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/cgs_suchith_anand.html
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Call for Software demos -OSGIS 2009

[Daniel Ames]

Suchith,

I'm writing to let you know that (although I haven't been in contact!) I'm
still planning to come to the conference on June 22 and do the MapWindow
workshop. Have you got a schedule together yet for this? I wonder if I
should give a short talk too during one of the paper sessions? What are your
thoughts? Also what help do you need with the conference?

- Dan



On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Suchith Anand <
suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> We are inviting contributions for software demonstrations of open source
> GIS technologies from interested people and organizations for OSGIS
> 2009. Interested participants should submit an abstract description of
> the Open source software demos (maximum 500 words) to
> suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk before 30 March 2009.
>
> Details and registrations information at
> http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/
>
> The OSGIS UK 2009 software demos will be presented at an separate
> session to the conference audience. Please contact me for any
> information needed.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith Anand
>
> Dr Suchith Anand
> Centre for Geospatial Science
> Sir Clive Granger Building
> University of Nottingham
> Tel: (0)115 846 8408
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can we use a LiveDVD for workshops and labs at FOSS4G 2009?

[Daniel Ames]

>
>
> projects that are Windows based to gain exposure (like MapWindow, which
> almost certainly increased its user base as a result of a strong
> conference presence).


Very true. We actually got a conference spike in downloads and also in the
number of *.za people on our mailing lists. I'm a believer in conferences.
Thanks for all your work on the last one, Graeme

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Daniel Ames]

I'll make another plug for Helena's suggestion on the conference list that
an International FOSS4g be offered every other year. In alternate years
members would be encouraged to run regional and/or project specific small
conferences... - Dan

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Landon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I really think the best solution to this issue would be smaller, regional
> conferences. Perhaps this could be an issue that could be tackled by local
> OSGeo Chapters?
>
>
>
> It would be cool if we could get a point location and radius of acceptable
> travel from each OSGeo member. You could then determine which host cities
> for a local or regional conference would impact the most users.
>
>
>
> Landon
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Ames
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:49 AM
> *To:* OSGeo Discussions
> *Cc:* conference_dev
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts
>
>
>
> Another consideration: my students who attended last week said that the mix
> of GISSA with FOSS4g was EXCELLENT.  The really liked having the business
> GIS users/non-FOSS people there. In fact, doing a joint conference like this
> gave the FOSS folks lots of great proselytizing opportunities that they
> wouldn't otherwise have. So that was a GREAT idea the South Africa group
> had.  Good job.
>
>
>
> One more thing... We should be careful talking about having conferences
> "closer". Come on folks, as geo-people you all know that "closer" is
> relative to your datum...  There is a huge growing GIS interest in China
> right now. Wouldn't it be cool to have FOSS4g there one year?
>
>
>
> So a public "Thanks" to the SA organizers, and a "Good luck!" to the
> Aussies... and as for 2010?  Anyone interested in Beijing? How about Idaho?
> :)
>
>
>
> - Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Gavin Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This thread has been doing the rounds on the conference_dev list as well
>
> Some of my thoughts in the aftermath of FOSS4G 2008.
>
> I have heard very positive feedback from all quarters. As Arnulf alluded
> to in the AGM, I believe the decision to host in an 'untested' location
> WORKED. The mix of FOSS and proprietary worlds WORKED. The mix of the
> full-spectrum ecosystem from geek to user to academic to businessperson
> to government official WORKED.
>
> It WORKED on so many levels we'll be seeing positive spin-offs for years
> to come.
>
> Business people loved meeting developers and picking up the sense of
> community.
>
> Developers loved being with other developers and interacting with users
> and funders.  And we did manage a code sprint of around 40 people.
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint
>
> Cost:
> -Registration was well within the limits set by OSGeo of $600. It was
> NOT the deciding factor for most people. Academics and students got 50%
> discount, but these were a minority.
> -Travel was THE deciding factor.
> -Accommodation: yes, 'official' hotels where our agents got block
> bookings were not exactly budget prices (global tourist destination in
> high season) but we advertised and listed many links for organising
> one's own cheap accommodation from backpackers to B&Bs. So that should
> not have been a factor.
> -with more sponsorship we would have loved to support those who could
> not afford it. Luckily many who asked made a plan of their own.
>
> By its nature, a moving conference will be expensive to get to from many
> places. But it will be cheap and accessible to regional attendees and
> that's the point. That's part of OSGeo's mission.
>
> The value of bringing FOSS4G to South Africa (or Sydney or other future
> global venues) far outweighs the 'cost' to a few who could not make it.
> Sydney will be in the same boat next year - far from almost everywhere.
> But they're already focussing on Australia/NZ and Southeast Asia. And a
> core contingent of OSGeo techies WILL make it to FOSS4G each year. And
> there you have the magic mix.
>
> So, from me:
> -keep FOSS4G roaming the globe annually
> -stimulate and support local or regional events whenever and wherever
> they emerge
> -keep the FOSS4G mix as it is - don't split along a perceived
> technical-business divide.
> -put out RFPs even earlier to allow time to secure cheap venues, big
> sponsorships, optimal scheduling, etc. A case in point is
> http://www.igarss09.org/ where the conference was awarded years back
>

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Daniel Ames]

Another consideration: my students who attended last week said that the mix
of GISSA with FOSS4g was EXCELLENT.  The really liked having the business
GIS users/non-FOSS people there. In fact, doing a joint conference like this
gave the FOSS folks lots of great proselytizing opportunities that they
wouldn't otherwise have. So that was a GREAT idea the South Africa group
had.  Good job.
One more thing... We should be careful talking about having conferences
"closer". Come on folks, as geo-people you all know that "closer" is
relative to your datum...  There is a huge growing GIS interest in China
right now. Wouldn't it be cool to have FOSS4g there one year?

So a public "Thanks" to the SA organizers, and a "Good luck!" to the
Aussies... and as for 2010?  Anyone interested in Beijing? How about Idaho?
:)

- Dan



On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Gavin Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This thread has been doing the rounds on the conference_dev list as well
>
> Some of my thoughts in the aftermath of FOSS4G 2008.
>
> I have heard very positive feedback from all quarters. As Arnulf alluded
> to in the AGM, I believe the decision to host in an 'untested' location
> WORKED. The mix of FOSS and proprietary worlds WORKED. The mix of the
> full-spectrum ecosystem from geek to user to academic to businessperson
> to government official WORKED.
>
> It WORKED on so many levels we'll be seeing positive spin-offs for years
> to come.
>
> Business people loved meeting developers and picking up the sense of
> community.
>
> Developers loved being with other developers and interacting with users
> and funders.  And we did manage a code sprint of around 40 people.
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint
>
> Cost:
> -Registration was well within the limits set by OSGeo of $600. It was
> NOT the deciding factor for most people. Academics and students got 50%
> discount, but these were a minority.
> -Travel was THE deciding factor.
> -Accommodation: yes, 'official' hotels where our agents got block
> bookings were not exactly budget prices (global tourist destination in
> high season) but we advertised and listed many links for organising
> one's own cheap accommodation from backpackers to B&Bs. So that should
> not have been a factor.
> -with more sponsorship we would have loved to support those who could
> not afford it. Luckily many who asked made a plan of their own.
>
> By its nature, a moving conference will be expensive to get to from many
> places. But it will be cheap and accessible to regional attendees and
> that's the point. That's part of OSGeo's mission.
>
> The value of bringing FOSS4G to South Africa (or Sydney or other future
> global venues) far outweighs the 'cost' to a few who could not make it.
> Sydney will be in the same boat next year - far from almost everywhere.
> But they're already focussing on Australia/NZ and Southeast Asia. And a
> core contingent of OSGeo techies WILL make it to FOSS4G each year. And
> there you have the magic mix.
>
> So, from me:
> -keep FOSS4G roaming the globe annually
> -stimulate and support local or regional events whenever and wherever
> they emerge
> -keep the FOSS4G mix as it is - don't split along a perceived
> technical-business divide.
> -put out RFPs even earlier to allow time to secure cheap venues, big
> sponsorships, optimal scheduling, etc. A case in point is
> http://www.igarss09.org/ where the conference was awarded years back
> enabling the hosting of thousands at a cheap venue (university).
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Projects at FOSS4G

[Daniel Ames]

Tyler,

MapWindow will have two people there presenting a workshop a lab and a
paper. Also we're sponsoring a booth with the help of some SA locals.
(Free T-Shirts for .NET developers... :)  )

- Dan

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Justin Deoliveira
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> Hi Tyler,
>
> There will be three people representing the Geotools and GeoServer projects.
> 3 talks, 1 workshop, and 1 lab. OpenGeo is also sending two people from the
> OpenLayers project as well.
>
> -Justin
>
> Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious about how many different projects (OSGeo and others) will be
>> represented at FOSS4G by speakers, workshops, etc. Rather than wade through
>> the presentation listing, I thought I'd be lazy and ask here.
>>
>> If you know that your project(s) are going to be represented there, could
>> you drop me a note?  Just let me know in general how many folks from it will
>> be there.  If there are enough people around we could arrange times for
>> people to "meet your project" at the OSGeo booth.
>>
>> It would also help to know if your project has plans to bring flyers or
>> brochures to hand out at the booth.  The OSGeo Marketing Committee is
>> arranging to have some overview brochures.
>>
>> Also, all projects and committees are welcome to do a brief talk at the
>> Annual General Meeting.[1]  It had great turnout last year and was very
>> informative!  Just sign up if you want to talk or add an item to the list
>> for debate/discussion during the meeting.
>>
>> Tyler
>>
>> [1] AGM: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Annual_General_Meeting_2008
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Newbie Question? Any feature for classification?

[Daniel Ames]

Saka,

Feel free to browse the MapWindow forums here: www.mapwindow.org/phorum and
possibly post your question there.  We have a very large .NET open source
GIS developer community there who may be able to help.

Dan

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> Hi all.
> I'm new to this mailing list. I want to write a program in .NET
> environment and i need some classes to do feature classification.
> I mean getting a point shape file, classifying it based on a Z value and
> convert it to raster.(some kind of Interpolation)
>
> Anyone knows anything open source to do this?
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How about gis education in western country?

[Daniel Ames]

Regarding the question of GIS education in western universities...

Idaho State Univerity started a 2-year M.S. in Geographic Information
Science program in 2004 and has about 30 students in the program. We also
offer a graduate certificate and undergraduate minor in geotechnologies.
For the very ambitious, we offer a GIS/Geotechnologies emphasis in our PhD
Engineering and Applied Science program. Each program includes opportunities
for emphasis in applied GIS, remote sensing, historical resources management
(through our anthropology department) or GIS software development.. We have
about a 20% acceptance rate for applicants.

- Dan

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>  Hi all,
> I want to know the situation about gis education in wester
> country.Which college has setup gis as a specialty?
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Buttons

[Daniel Ames]

Arnulf,

Thanks for the clarification on the logos.  I was hoping to prompt this
topic thread with my posting. Also useful would be some guidelines on how
and where OSGeo logos can be used on other web pages, particularly in light
of the "self selection/opt in" membership approach.

Are all members (i.e. anyone who registers on osgeo.org) allowed to use the
OSGeo logo on their project/personal/corporate web pages to help identify
their interest in OSGeo?  Should the logo be linked to a particular page on
osgeo.org? Should the original logo be used or some modification of it?

Thanks,

Dan

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 4:10 AM, Arnulf Christl <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Sat, March 1, 2008 01:40, Daniel Ames wrote:
> > Tyler et al,
> >
> >
> > I just ran across this previous post about specialized OSGeo logos for
> > members, supporters, etc. to place on their respective web sites. Not
> sure
> >  if there is still such a need, but here is an attempt:
> >
> > http://www.hydromap.com/download/OSGeoMemberLogos.zip
> >
> >
> > Dan
>
> Hi,
> these logos must have slipped my attention. We should not circulate them
> any further to maintain a clean brand.
>
> Current OSGeo policy does not differentiate outside recognition of members
> and charter members so that we do not have a need for separate logos.
> Charter members are only required internally for votes into the board of
> directors.
>
> It has been discussed that the OSGeo logo should be available with an
> additional tag line "Sponsor". It seems that the need to differentiate
> between graduated and incubating projects is not seen as that important.
>
> Jeroen will send a new set of logos around anytime soon. We should discuss
> them at the next meeting.
>
> Best regards,
> Arnulf.
>
> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:42 AM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 17-Oct-07, at 2:53 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Do we have anything like official OSGeo banners or buttons
> >>> members can put on their website?
> >>
> >> Not really, but we do have need for a few different variations of
> >> them. They can built on top of the OSGeo logos (http://osgeo.org/logos)
> >>
> >> Specifically I've been wanting to have ones for:
> >> * Member
> >> * Charter Member
> >> * Supporter
> >> * Sponsor
> >> and probably some more...
> >>
> >> Any volunteers to do up some prototype buttons or badge graphics?  :)
> >>
> >>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Buttons

[Daniel Ames]

Tyler et al,

I just ran across this previous post about specialized OSGeo logos for
members, supporters, etc. to place on their respective web sites. Not sure
if there is still such a need, but here is an attempt:

http://www.hydromap.com/download/OSGeoMemberLogos.zip

Dan

On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:42 AM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On 17-Oct-07, at 2:53 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Do we have anything like official OSGeo banners or buttons
> > members can put on their website?
>
> Not really, but we do have need for a few different variations of
> them. They can built on top of the OSGeo logos (http://osgeo.org/logos)
>
> Specifically I've been wanting to have ones for:
> * Member
> * Charter Member
> * Supporter
> * Sponsor
> and probably some more...
>
>  Any volunteers to do up some prototype buttons or badge graphics?  :)
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to Geospatial FOSS?

[Daniel Ames]

Cameron,

What type of a document are you looking for? In other words how much detail
and what focus?  We might be able to find something that exists with respect
to this EPA effort, or we could perhaps put it together.

Dan

On Jan 29, 2008 1:10 PM, Cameron Shorter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dr Dan Ames,
>
> Gary suggested that you might be able to provide a case study or similar
> into the EPA's migration from ESRI to Open Source.
> Specifically I have some Australian Government Agencies who would be
> interested to use such work, and in general, such case studies would be
> very beneficial for the uptake of Open Source globally.
>
> Gary Watry wrote:
> > Contact Dr. Dan Ames at Idaho State University
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> > - Original Message -
> > From: Cameron Shorter
> > Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 22:11
> > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to Geospatial
> FOSS?
> > To: OSGeo Discussions
> >
> >
> >> Yes Gary, that would be great. Do you know where we can find
> information about this?
> >>
> >> On Jan 29, 2008 2:07 PM, Gary Watry wrote:
> >>
> >>> Would the U.S. EPA moving from ESRI to Open Source for their
> >>>
> >> Watershed model help
> >>
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: Cameron Shorter
> >>> Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 21:39
> >>> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Case studies for migrating to
> >>>
> >> Geospatial FOSS?
> >>
> >>> To: OSGeo Discussions
> >>>
> >>>
>  After giving a presentation recently about Geospatial Open
> 
> >> Source, we
> >> were asked whether there have been any case
> >> studies on migration to
> >>
>  Geospatial Open Source.
> 
>  The audience were very sympathetic to Open Source, but felt is
> 
> >> would> > be much easier to sell to upper management if they could
> >> draw upon
> >>
>  experiences of other agencies who have done something similar.
> 
>  Can anyone point me to reports, or programs which have
> 
> >> migrated from
> >>
>  ESRI/Oracle applications (ArcGIS in particular) to Open Source
>  equivalents?
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] C# / .NET projects?

[Daniel Ames]

MapWindow (.org) is quite mature and is built on ActiveX and .NET.  Version
5 is under development based on straight C# and WPF... and of course, we are
always looking for partners to work on it with us!!!  - Dan

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> OSGeo gets a lot of mileage out of C++ and Java, but I suddenly have an
> interest in cutting edge .NET technologies.  [you in the back there,
> stop laughing...]
>
> So, I'm looking for open source geo projects that are .NET-friendly,
> ideally C# and WPF libraries.  If you have any suggestions, please reply
> to me, this list, or this wiki page:
>   http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/DotNetProjects
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Journal Now Available

[Daniel Ames]

Hey Landon and others, thanks for the good discussion points. I guess
this topic should probably move to the newsletter discussion list, but
I wanted to mention here that I totally agree that this shouldn't be
just an academic issue. Rather it could be a great way for lots of
kinds of FOSS4G research and development work that needs a publication
outlet - from anyone regardless of affiliation. I told Tyler a few
weeks ago that I'd put together a draft summary of the idea including
scope, approach, etc. So I'll take a shot at this and notify the
newsletter list when its up on the wiki somewhere. Thanks all. - Dan

On 5/16/07, Landon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dan,

This is a very interesting idea. I am curious about how would we decide the
qualifications of the article reviewers, or on those submitting,
"scientific" articles to the OSGeo Journal.

I'm loathe to impose the restrictions of university education on
participation in the OSGeo Journal at any level. I believe there a lot of
individuals involved in geospatial technology at an every day, hands on, and
"dirty" level. I believe the availability of open source code in the
geospatial arena is part of what makes this possible. I think a lot of
people become involved in open source GIS as only a minor part of what they
do. I don't want to isolate those types of individuals.

As an example, I have no university degree, but I consider myself an active
participant in open source geospatial technology. This is despite the fact
that it plays only a minor role in my day job.

I think of our goals with the journal is to appeal to a broad audience. My
only concern with this idea is that the OSGeo Journal would become a
publication that was exclusive to those from Academia. There is a lot of
great work being done in the trenches.

As long as we are flexible about who we allow to contribute and review
articles I would support this idea.

Landon (A.K.A. The Sunburned Surveyor)

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This may be a good time to mention a thread that Tyler and I discussed
a month ago with respect to the OSGeo Journal.

I suggested that we explore the option of having 2-4 peer reviewed
science type journal articles in future editions in addition to the
project updates and other types of articles, and I volunteered to help
coordinate the peer-review process. I'd be interested to know what
others think of this.  Would anyone else find it useful to have a
FOSS4G oriented  peer-reviewed journal article outlet? Anyone else to
volunteer for a peer review process? (Tyler are you still interested
in this idea?) - Dan

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> >
> > On 15-May-07, at 1:06 PM, Helton Uchoa wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any information about permission for publish in another
> > > language?
> >
> > Good question.  Before I tackle the republishing rights question, I'd
> > like to know if there are any others out there who are hoping to
> > translate some/all of the Journal?
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Journal Now Available

[Daniel Ames]

This may be a good time to mention a thread that Tyler and I discussed
a month ago with respect to the OSGeo Journal.

I suggested that we explore the option of having 2-4 peer reviewed
science type journal articles in future editions in addition to the
project updates and other types of articles, and I volunteered to help
coordinate the peer-review process. I'd be interested to know what
others think of this.  Would anyone else find it useful to have a
FOSS4G oriented  peer-reviewed journal article outlet? Anyone else to
volunteer for a peer review process? (Tyler are you still interested
in this idea?) - Dan

On 5/16/07, Paulo Marcondes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

2007/5/16, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On 15-May-07, at 1:06 PM, Helton Uchoa wrote:
>
> > Is there any information about permission for publish in another
> > language?
>
> Good question.  Before I tackle the republishing rights question, I'd
> like to know if there are any others out there who are hoping to
> translate some/all of the Journal?

I think I can work together with Helton in the Portuguese translation.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Use cases for FOSS-GIS in universities

[Daniel Ames]

To the contrary... many new FOSS4g solutions have very easy to use
GUI's. To name a few: QGIS, GVSIG, the latest GRASS effort, and
MapWindow... - Dan

On 5/12/07, Tim Michelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Patrick Maué schrieb:
> Hi Tim,
>
> I am not sure if using open source alternatives for education does
> necessarily mean that your students learn more than just pressing
> buttons in the right order. Actually, I guess this is one of the major
> arguments against open source software:  it's the lack of user-friendly
> interfaces which forces you to learn the underlying concepts to let the
> software make what you want.
...
> choice to challenge of using GRASS instead of ArcDesktop. I would like
> to see that (the mandatory) GIS classes should not force any student to
> learn the functionality of a software package, wether it's free software
> or not.
I can second that. For a normal user a system should be as user friendly
as possible.
But, as you also state, GIS systems are expert software which require
some sort of understanding of the concept.
Not like read the manual and off you go.

To my observation, FOSS-GIS differs a lot from the proprietary software.
If you are interested in FOSS you'd usually go and learn it by yourself.
And this is not done simply by reading one tutorial. When doing team
work all others rely on the software that was thought and is present in
the labs. And when you are short of time due to a coming deadline you
may just stick to what you already know...

But these issues are really educational matters that seem to be of more
interest for the edu_discuss ML.
I put this topic here becuase I am looking for a more general approach.
Like I described I think that software can be learned once qualified
teaching personel is there. Therefore I'd like to know if it would be
feasible to implement a geodata infrastructure for a whole university
like I described in my first posting. This would avoid buying tons of
licences of a standard product. The money saved could be spend (A) on
the real reseach (e.g. soil samples) or (B) to have a local GIS
developer adjust and develop the software to the needs of the research
groups which would then help others, too.

I think FOSS GIS companies have already implemented geodata
infrastructures in various organisations like governments or companies.
Could the experiences gained on that field be transfered to the academia?

For example: A guy from another department is now looking at introduce
GIS in his department. What he does is checking how many licences of
Arc* he could get for his budget. Maybe he would consider his decision
if he'd knew that he what services (gdi implementation, adaption,
training courses) he could get from a FOSS GIS service provider for the
same budget.
None of the responsible people will launch a tender that a FOSS and
proprietary vendors apply and the best wins!

ESRI is offering student licences (= Arc* for free during your thesis).
So, students get a software which they know from classes and on which
their supervisors have confidence.
What has FOSS to offer?
A lot of software with a superbe licence! But a very steep learning
curve. To my thinking the GRASS flyer which is currently in development
will not much. People who know linux or have advanced computing skills
may give it a try   (see above and previous posts). I can imagine that
building up a mentoring network could help. Voluteering FOSS GIS gurus
(in governmental authorities and companies) could mentor students or
student groups that are interested. Some universities invite external
experts to teach. Therefore I recommend to send a list of possible
trainers in the specific country/region along when you start sending out
flyers like the GRASS flyer.

My university has not only fully equipped labs with Arc*. For remote
sensing they rely (like many others) on the ITT stack (Envi, Idrisi,
IDL). Once the licence is there it *has* to be used to justify the
investment...

And please remember that only a minority of users have high comutional
skills. They have other things like in mind like getting samples from
the fields, etc. (see Ari's mail).

Kind regards,
Tim

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Journal articles and preparation

[Daniel Ames]

Tyler, We've just finished a research paper that reviews the OGC Web
Processing Service protocol and provides some suggested improvements and an
example implementation.  Is the OSGeo Journal ready for this type of entry?
- Dan

On 3/26/07, Tyler Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Contributors to the upcoming release of the OSGeo Journal (formerly
called "the Newsletter") have been hard at work and we starting to
wrap up draft versions.

This is the last call for any news tidbits, event summaries or
developer announcements about open source software projects.

Drop me a note or add your content to:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Newsletter_Volume_1 and we'll be in
touch.

Deadline for all submissions is the end of the month.

If you want to plan ahead, you are welcome to add yourself to the
list of contributors for the next volume:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Newsletter_Volume_2
Of particular interest are interviews and case studies.  Dates for
next volume have not been set.

Tyler
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

[Daniel Ames]

Jody and others,

Thanks for all of the interesting discussion.  I must admit it's hard to be
too critical of the conference committe having not volunteered to
participate on it (maybe next time?).  So thank you to all who are working
on this.  I also understand that any kind of review process is challenging
and will have detractors.

To answer your question, yes.  The MapWindow community is fully behind the
development focused workshops since 80% of our active users are developers
using our libraries.  How many of them are coming to Victoria, I don't
know.  I told Paul that we have so far had about 200 "click throughs" on our
FOSS4G 2007 logo on the MapWindow.org home page, so the presumption is that
some of these folks will attend, tell their friends, and so forth.

Maybe some of Franks suggestions could be considered.  If not this time,
then perhaps next year?
Again thanks to those of you who volunteer so much time to give open source
geospatial software a fighting chance.

Dan



On 3/29/07, Jody Garnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Correction :-)
> Hi Daniel -
>
> I agree that workshops are the most valued part of the conference; I
> was a bit sad personally to do some more developer focused workshops
> (but looking at the target audience for the conference I did not
> expect any such applications to be successful).
I was sad *not* to do some developer focused workshops. I am a developer
and frankly I need more developers on the different open source projects
I am involved with. I would like nothing more then to set up a workshop
to inspire and involve new contributors in lots of 40.

My impression is that conference attendees are looking forward to using
the completed products ;-) Either as part of mash up or in a SDI
"Architecture Slot" (two very large extremes).

Daniel Ames did your developer community talk about a workshop proposal
with you before you submitted? I know for GeoTools and GeoServer we had
extensive IRC discussions in order to try and choose the right mix (and
not overlap).

As for any play time with developers (new and old) I am saving my
energies for the code sprint.
Jody


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G 2007 Workshop Submission

[Daniel Ames]

Paul and others,

I too was disappointed to be in the 22 of 34 workshop proposals that were
turned down and would like to suggest that the conference organizers
re-think the approach to include more workshops.

At FOSS4g2006, I found the workshops to be perhaps the most useful element
of the conference.  For a highly technical meeting, the value of a 1.5 to 3
hour hands-on workshop versus a 20 minute pre-canned powerpoint presentation
can not be overstated.

Our project (and I suspect many others) has tried to embrace the concept of
the FOSS4g venue as an alternative to hosting our own separate conference.
Certainly this concept was encouraged by last year's conference organizers.
However for this to work there needs to be the opportunity to present our
workshops.

May I suggest the following two changes:

1) Reallocate time for more workshops.
2) Let the registrants decide which workshops stay.  In other words, post a
list of 34 workshops and keep only those that meet a minimum number of
committed/paid attendee registration fees.

I suspect that every one of the 22 rejected workshop proposers could argue
that they easily meet all of the four criteria listed here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_Workshops#Criteria_used_by_the_workshop_committee_to_review_workshop_submissions

Hence letting the broader community vote with their registration dollars
would seem to be a more "free and open" approach.

It would be unfortunate to see this as the beginning of a general culling
process where instead of trying to attract new projects, the FOSS4g
community begins to become more exclusionary.

Dan

Daniel P. Ames, PhD, PE
Idaho State University Geospatial Software Lab





On 3/29/07, Paul Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Jeroen,

I appreciate your frustration, and I know it is shared by many
others, as only 12 of the 34 3-hour workshop submissions could be
hosted.  The criteria the workshop committee used in their evaluation
are here:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/
FOSS4G2007_Workshops#Criteria_used_by_the_workshop_committee_to_review_w
orkshop_submissions

All the committee members ranked the submissions on those criteria
and the rankings were averaged.  Two workshops in the top 12 that
were topic duplicates were removed and the next-lowest-ranked non-
duplicates were moved up.  It appears that being on the committee is
no guarantee of satisfaction with the final result. The average of a
bunch of lists people want is a list that no one is 100% happy with.

Paul

On 28-Mar-07, at 10:36 PM, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:

> Dear people,
>
> Thank you for your information. I have to say I find that pretty
> frustrating and annoying knowing that GeoNetwork opensource is one
> of the incubator projects of OSGEO, the number of OSGEO projects is
> (still) limited and FOSS4G is the OSGEO conference.
>
> Participating with the project in OSGEO has multiple reasons, one
> of them being that it provides opportunities to work on synergies
> and work on marketing the OSGEO software stack. Now how does the
> intent of OSGEOs mission fit with refusing a (single) workshop on
> one of its projects. Maybe I miss something, but I'd assumed there
> was at least some kind of a relation!?
>
> Looking forward to some good feedback and discussion on this, also
> on the OSGEO mailing list as I consider that discussion very
> relevant in the further development of outreach strategies for
> ourselves and the OSGEO foundation through conferences.
>
> Core question:
>
> "Should OSGEO projects have guaranteed workshop and presentation
> space for at least one session?"
>
> Regards,
> Jeroen
>
> On Mar 28, 2007, at 5:58 PM, FOSS4G 2007 wrote:
>
>> Dear Jeroen Ticheler,
>>
>> We regret to inform you that we will not be able to accept your
>> Half Day
>> workshop, "Using the GeoNetwork opensource Spatial Data Catalog",
>> for the
>> FOSS4G 2007 program.  We had a very large number of submissions
>> this year, and
>>  have been able to accept less than half of them
>> .
>>
>> We hope you will consider bringing some of your ideas to the
>> conference in the
>>  form of a presentation. The Call for Presentations is currently
>> open, and
>> there is room for 120 presentations at the conference this year
>> .
>>
>> http://www.foss4g2007.org/presentations
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> The FOSS4G 2007 Conference Committee
>>
>

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] any suggestion of GIS magazine?

[Daniel Ames]

Great challenge, Jeff.  The univerisity open source'ers like myself should
be very interested in helping produce a column such as this. Maybe VisCom
could start by creating a wiki page with a table indicating each month,
proposed topic, proposed author, and article deadline date.  The topic and
author columns could be left blank, and the community could be invited to
visit the page and insert themselves with their proposed topics.  Just an
idea... - Dan

On 2/20/07, Michael P. Gerlek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> I'll make the Open Source community a challenge. If it can produce
> and deliver a column every month (or every other month), I'll include
> it in the magazine.

Sounds like a good deal to me... But, to clarify, I'd like to see the
column as being written by different people every (other?) month, to
avoid burnout and such by one single author.

VisCom would happily volunteer to coordinate this.

-mpg (who, by way of full disclosure, has written an
  aritcle or two for GeoConnexion in the past...)


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Thurston
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:49 AM
> To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] any suggestion of GIS magazine?
>
> Since the issue of Geoconnexion International Magazine has been
> mentioned, I would like to respond.
>
> As the editor of the magazine, I will say that the content is very
> mixed and varied. There are a significant number of articles
> pertaining to both large and small companies and projects. Topics in
> recent times have included context mapping, FDO use in software, GML,
> CityGML, open architectures, standards etc. While we have changed
> direction, it needs to go further in my view.
>
> My approach (ie. OGC, Open Source and other similar bodies), has been
> to find the users, manufacturers and developers of those technologies
> and support their work through publishing their material. The bottom
> line being, if it works, helps people and solves their problems, then
> that is the point, I can say that there are many talented people also
> doing work that is not wholly open source as well, and a significant
> portion of them speak about 'openness' a great deal.
>
> The bottom line is that our magazine stretches throughout Europe,
> extends into Middle East and Africa and North America as well. It
> must pay the bills to produce it. I believe we distribute more
> magazines than any other in Europe.
>
> I'll make the Open Source community a challenge. If it can produce
> and deliver a column every month (or every other month), I'll include
> it in the magazine.
>
> The topic can be the communities choice, though I retain final editor
> rights. My suggestion is to revolve your column among the whole
> community, but it's up to you.
>
> I welcome your participation.
>
>
> Happy reading,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> Jeff Thurston, Editor
> GEOconnexion International Magazine
> Berlin, Germany
> 49.30.24.04.98.90
> www.geoconnexion.com
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