Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
Patrick, others, OSGeo and related OGC communities have been successful previously in stopping ESRI's inappropriate creation of OGC standards. See here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geoservices_REST_API I'd suggest that if we as OSGeo wish to be effective at blocking a vendor lock-in tactic, as seems to be the case, then we should consider developing a similar wiki page for the LAS format debate. 0. Write an open letter (who to? OGC?) 1. Describe the issue. (Is there someone who knows the issues well enough to describe them?) 2. Describe technically why one format is or is not better than the other, on both a technical and commercial point of view. 3. Is the Open LIDAR format an OGC standard? 4. If needed, collect signatures. 5. If needed, ask OSGeo Board to present the open letter On 28/02/2015 11:18 am, P Kishor wrote: Thanks Patrick for surfacing this. Yes, this should be opened up for scrutiny by the entire community and we should all weigh in. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Hi Patrick, Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I believe the OSGeo Board need to look into this and prepare a position paper with inputs from the community as this has wider implications. This also need to be discussed with like minded organisations. We all can provide the needed support for this. Jeff and OSGeo Board - please add this to the next month Board meeting's agenda items. Thanks. Best wishes, Suchith From: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Lene Fischer [l...@ign.ku.dk mailto:l...@ign.ku.dk] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:29 PM To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI +1 Lene Fischer Associate Professor Department of Geosciences and Natural Resource Management University of Copenhagen MOB +45 40115084 tel:%2B45%2040115084 l...@ign.ku.dk mailto:l...@ign.ku.dkmailto:l...@ign.ku.dk mailto:l...@ign.ku.dk [cid:image001.gif@01D052C3.B23B1060] Fra: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] På vegne af Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) Sendt: 27. februar 2015 18:48 Til: ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org mailto:ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org Emne: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI Dear OSGEO, For what our good name is worth. . . Do we have an opinion on something so essential as an open standard for a data format? Speak now, or forever hand over your wallet. Individual and collective response encouraged. Can OSGEO provide a short position paper commenting on our values? I.e., “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all [data] are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these [is Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Openness].” The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI http://rapidlasso.com/2015/02/22/lidar-las-asprs-esri-and-the-laz-clone/ [First paragraph] We are concerned about ESRI’s next moves in forcing yet another proprietary format into wide-spread deployment. Forwarded emails, retold conversations, and personal experiences suggest that sneaky tacticshttp://rapidlasso.com/2014/11/06/keeping-esri-honest/ are being used to disrupt the harmony in open LiDAR formats that we have enjoyed for many years. [cid:image002.jpg@01D052C3.B23B1060] Thanks much, -Patrick patrick.ho...@nasa.gov mailto:patrick.ho...@nasa.govmailto:patrick.ho...@nasa.gov mailto:patrick.ho...@nasa.gov Project Manager NASA World Wind (650) 604-5656 tel:%28650%29%20604-5656 (office) (650) 269-2788 tel:%28650%29%20269-2788 (cell) -- Puneet Kishor Manager, Science and Data Policy Creative Commons ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter, Software and Data Solutions Manager LISAsoft Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
Hi Cameron, Thank you for this excellent suggestion. I remember this previous Geoservices REST API issues and discussions. Patrick - Could you please start a wiki page and input as much information as you know on this (ideally in the same structure as the Geoservices REST API wiki ). Once it is ready, please email the community and OSGeo Board and we all can look into this. Anyone from OGC willing to help with this? I think this should be open letter from the OSGeo Board to the whole Geo community. I really hope this proprietary vendor (ESRI) will be decent enough to not keep repeating these inappropriate actions in the future. Best wishes, Suchith From: Cameron Shorter [cameron.shor...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 10:47 AM To: P Kishor; Suchith Anand Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); bo...@lists.osgeo.org; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI Patrick, others, OSGeo and related OGC communities have been successful previously in stopping ESRI's inappropriate creation of OGC standards. See here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geoservices_REST_API I'd suggest that if we as OSGeo wish to be effective at blocking a vendor lock-in tactic, as seems to be the case, then we should consider developing a similar wiki page for the LAS format debate. 0. Write an open letter (who to? OGC?) 1. Describe the issue. (Is there someone who knows the issues well enough to describe them?) 2. Describe technically why one format is or is not better than the other, on both a technical and commercial point of view. 3. Is the Open LIDAR format an OGC standard? 4. If needed, collect signatures. 5. If needed, ask OSGeo Board to present the open letter On 28/02/2015 11:18 am, P Kishor wrote: Thanks Patrick for surfacing this. Yes, this should be opened up for scrutiny by the entire community and we should all weigh in. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukmailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Hi Patrick, Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I believe the OSGeo Board need to look into this and prepare a position paper with inputs from the community as this has wider implications. This also need to be discussed with like minded organisations. We all can provide the needed support for this. Jeff and OSGeo Board - please add this to the next month Board meeting's agenda items. Thanks. Best wishes, Suchith From: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Lene Fischer [l...@ign.ku.dkmailto:l...@ign.ku.dk] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:29 PM To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI +1 Lene Fischer Associate Professor Department of Geosciences and Natural Resource Management University of Copenhagen MOB +45 40115084tel:%2B45%2040115084 l...@ign.ku.dkmailto:l...@ign.ku.dkmailto:l...@ign.ku.dkmailto:l...@ign.ku.dk [cid:image001.gif@01D052C3.B23B1060] Fra: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] På vegne af Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) Sendt: 27. februar 2015 18:48 Til: ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org Emne: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI Dear OSGEO, For what our good name is worth. . . Do we have an opinion on something so essential as an open standard for a data format? Speak now, or forever hand over your wallet. Individual and collective response encouraged. Can OSGEO provide a short position paper commenting on our values? I.e., “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all [data] are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these [is Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Openness].” The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI http://rapidlasso.com/2015/02/22/lidar-las-asprs-esri-and-the-laz-clone/ [First paragraph] We are concerned about ESRI’s next moves in forcing yet another proprietary format into wide-spread deployment. Forwarded emails, retold conversations, and personal experiences suggest that sneaky tacticshttp://rapidlasso.com/2014/11/06/keeping-esri-honest/ are being used to disrupt the harmony in open LiDAR formats that we have enjoyed for many years. [cid:image002.jpg@01D052C3.B23B1060] Thanks much, -Patrick patrick.ho...@nasa.govmailto:patrick.ho...@nasa.govmailto:patrick.ho...@nasa.govmailto:patrick.ho...@nasa.gov Project Manager NASA World Wind
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
Hi Patrick, Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I believe the OSGeo Board need to look into this and prepare a position paper with inputs from the community as this has wider implications. This also need to be discussed with like minded organisations. We all can provide the needed support for this. Jeff and OSGeo Board - please add this to the next month Board meeting's agenda items. Thanks. Best wishes, Suchith From: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Lene Fischer [l...@ign.ku.dk] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:29 PM To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI +1 Lene Fischer Associate Professor Department of Geosciences and Natural Resource Management University of Copenhagen MOB +45 40115084 l...@ign.ku.dkmailto:l...@ign.ku.dk [cid:image001.gif@01D052C3.B23B1060] Fra: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] På vegne af Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) Sendt: 27. februar 2015 18:48 Til: ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org Emne: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI Dear OSGEO, For what our good name is worth. . . Do we have an opinion on something so essential as an open standard for a data format? Speak now, or forever hand over your wallet. Individual and collective response encouraged. Can OSGEO provide a short position paper commenting on our values? I.e., “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all [data] are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these [is Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Openness].” The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI http://rapidlasso.com/2015/02/22/lidar-las-asprs-esri-and-the-laz-clone/ [First paragraph] We are concerned about ESRI’s next moves in forcing yet another proprietary format into wide-spread deployment. Forwarded emails, retold conversations, and personal experiences suggest that sneaky tacticshttp://rapidlasso.com/2014/11/06/keeping-esri-honest/ are being used to disrupt the harmony in open LiDAR formats that we have enjoyed for many years. [cid:image002.jpg@01D052C3.B23B1060] Thanks much, -Patrick patrick.ho...@nasa.govmailto:patrick.ho...@nasa.gov Project Manager NASA World Wind (650) 604-5656 (office) (650) 269-2788 (cell) This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
Thanks Patrick for surfacing this. Yes, this should be opened up for scrutiny by the entire community and we should all weigh in. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk wrote: Hi Patrick, Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I believe the OSGeo Board need to look into this and prepare a position paper with inputs from the community as this has wider implications. This also need to be discussed with like minded organisations. We all can provide the needed support for this. Jeff and OSGeo Board - please add this to the next month Board meeting's agenda items. Thanks. Best wishes, Suchith From: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [ ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Lene Fischer [ l...@ign.ku.dk] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:29 PM To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI +1 Lene Fischer Associate Professor Department of Geosciences and Natural Resource Management University of Copenhagen MOB +45 40115084 l...@ign.ku.dkmailto:l...@ign.ku.dk [cid:image001.gif@01D052C3.B23B1060] Fra: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] På vegne af Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) Sendt: 27. februar 2015 18:48 Til: ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org Emne: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI Dear OSGEO, For what our good name is worth. . . Do we have an opinion on something so essential as an open standard for a data format? Speak now, or forever hand over your wallet. Individual and collective response encouraged. Can OSGEO provide a short position paper commenting on our values? I.e., “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all [data] are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these [is Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Openness].” The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI http://rapidlasso.com/2015/02/22/lidar-las-asprs-esri-and-the-laz-clone/ [First paragraph] We are concerned about ESRI’s next moves in forcing yet another proprietary format into wide-spread deployment. Forwarded emails, retold conversations, and personal experiences suggest that sneaky tactics http://rapidlasso.com/2014/11/06/keeping-esri-honest/ are being used to disrupt the harmony in open LiDAR formats that we have enjoyed for many years. [cid:image002.jpg@01D052C3.B23B1060] Thanks much, -Patrick patrick.ho...@nasa.govmailto:patrick.ho...@nasa.gov Project Manager NASA World Wind (650) 604-5656 (office) (650) 269-2788 (cell) -- Puneet Kishor Manager, Science and Data Policy Creative Commons ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
