Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Oliver Courtin]

Le 6 mars 2016 à 18:40, Jody Garnett a écrit :

> It may be worth asking the recent Paris code sprint participants "how it 
> went" in a separate email thread. 


For information, i've began to gather feedbacks from participants here:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016_:_Feedback

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Sandro Santilli]

On Sun, Mar 06, 2016 at 03:40:29PM +, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:

> The world needs a more peaceful approach to the future.

Well said !
The idea of working 24h/day is what keeps me away from code sprints.
But when there's a chance to have fun and eat togheter, taking a break
from work, sponsored by a Foundation or client, well... then it becomes
worth going :)

How much should OSGeo invest in such community building I won't get into.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)]

Helena,

There are a lot of "essential part of open source projects." I think it's worth 
discussing what those parts are. As you noted, there are ways to improve 
things. I also believe it would be good to apply some metrics that help to 
evaluate progress. At least we should be describing (and analyzing) what works, 
why it works, and how it might be improved. I would like to see the history of 
success stories, describing what was achieved and how. This would allow others 
to benefit and possibly improve the process (even relish and advance the 
specific code). 

We hear talk and words declaring success, but can we point to specifics? And 
even more the recipe for that success. I'm glad to 'hear' we are succeeding, 
but in the events you use to describe the success, I see only a lot of 
feel-good and self-congratulation, which is wonderful, sincerely. But there 
seems no description of what was produced code-wise. I think we are telling 
ourselves we are doing good, but I'm not sure we are doing that good. I do not 
doubt the sincerity or the level of effort. I'm just of the mind that it might 
be improved upon and possibly even better applied. More than:

Agenda - What we plan to do.
Note: The program is generally open for your ideas. Please edit this wiki page!
Topics: 
1. GRASS-QGIS interfaces: what's needed for a better GRASS GIS 7 integration
2. Interfaces to other OSGeo projects as being present in the code sprint room
3. g.extension: add gitlab+github support (maybe just a few lines in Python?)
4.   ...

I will try to make this my last exchange. I have, in my poor attempt, tried to 
carefully express what I consider worth saying. I sense this community 
considers what it is doing is just fine and dandy as it is, without need for 
any critique or introspection. So, in the words of Romeo to his lusty 
colleagues on their way to the dance, 'I'll be the candleholder and look on.' 

-Patrick

-Original Message-
From: Helena Mitasova [mailto:hmit...@ncsu.edu] 
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 8:49 AM
To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Patrick,

as others have explained, the code or community sprints are indeed an essential 
part of open source projects - with developers from all over the globe, this is 
the opportunity to get together and get some of the important (and sometimes 
even critical) work done.

For GRASS GIS project, we have changed the name of these events from code 
sprints to community sprints because we soon realized that many issues beyond 
coding need attention (documention, translations, website, tutorials, etc.) and 
that these are great for building community, new developers and students can 
meet the veterans of the projects and often new ideas are generated and 
strategic decisions made.

Here are two examples of GRASS community sprints - the planning and reports of 
what was done:

https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_Community_Sprint_Prague_2012
https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:GRASS_Community_Sprint_Prague_2012

https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_Community_Sprint_Como_2015 
https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:GRASS_Community_Sprint_Como_2015

I hope this helps you to understand what this is all about and you are most 
welcome to join ane OSGeo supported  code or community sprint sometime to 
experience it and contribute yourself - they are completely open and anybody 
can join,

Helena


> On Mar 6, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> 
> wrote:
> 
> Oaky, I may be misunderstanding as measured by certain specific examples. I 
> am very glad there are good opportunities for encouragingforward to hearing 
> about more of these and how well they are ‘carefully’ designed for 
> substantial results.
> 
>  
> 
> I will hope the point of this dialogue is not to be right or wrong, 
> but to improve our methods for achieving our common goal of richer 
> ^commons.^ -p
> 
>  
> 
> From: Ian Turton [mailto:ijtur...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 7:58 AM
> To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
> Cc: Andrea Aime; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
> 
>  
> 
> Patrick,
> 
>  
> 
> Again you are misunderstanding how sprints (at least in the GeoJava tribe) 
> work - we plan for weeks (or months) before hand to make the most of 
> theinteraction when you are 8 hours out of phase with the participants.
> 
>  
> 
> I'd love to spend my days crafting new cathedrals but there isn't the demand 
> from customers for that so mostly we work at incremental improvements toback 
> to being gouged by proprietary suppliers who can ignore the rot and just sell 
> on the new shiny paint job.
> 
>  
> 
> Ian
> 
>  
> 
> On 6 March 2016 at 15:40, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <patrick

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Helena Mitasova]

Patrick,

as others have explained, the code or community sprints are indeed an essential 
part of open source projects - with developers from all over the globe,
this is the opportunity to get together and get some of the important (and 
sometimes even critical) work done.

For GRASS GIS project, we have changed the name of these events from code 
sprints to community sprints because 
we soon realized that many issues beyond coding need attention (documention, 
translations, website, tutorials, etc.)
and that these are great for building community, new developers and students 
can meet the veterans of the projects
and often new ideas are generated and strategic decisions made.

Here are two examples of GRASS community sprints - the planning and reports of 
what was done:

https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_Community_Sprint_Prague_2012
https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:GRASS_Community_Sprint_Prague_2012

https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_Community_Sprint_Como_2015
https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:GRASS_Community_Sprint_Como_2015

I hope this helps you to understand what this is all about and you are most 
welcome to join ane OSGeo supported
 code or community sprint sometime to experience it and contribute yourself - 
they are completely open and anybody can join,

Helena


> On Mar 6, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> 
> wrote:
> 
> Oaky, I may be misunderstanding as measured by certain specific examples. I 
> am very glad there are good opportunities for encouragingforward to hearing 
> about more of these and how well they are ‘carefully’ designed for 
> substantial results.
> 
>  
> 
> I will hope the point of this dialogue is not to be right or wrong, but to 
> improve our methods for achieving our common goal of richer ^commons.^ -p
> 
>  
> 
> From: Ian Turton [mailto:ijtur...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 7:58 AM
> To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
> Cc: Andrea Aime; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
> 
>  
> 
> Patrick,
> 
>  
> 
> Again you are misunderstanding how sprints (at least in the GeoJava tribe) 
> work - we plan for weeks (or months) before hand to make the most of 
> theinteraction when you are 8 hours out of phase with the participants.
> 
>  
> 
> I'd love to spend my days crafting new cathedrals but there isn't the demand 
> from customers for that so mostly we work at incremental improvements toback 
> to being gouged by proprietary suppliers who can ignore the rot and just sell 
> on the new shiny paint job.
> 
>  
> 
> Ian
> 
>  
> 
> On 6 March 2016 at 15:40, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> 
> wrote:
> 
> Andrea,
> 
> The world needs a more peaceful approach to the future. That’s not what we 
> have in a world that isstimulating drinks and high moments of constructive 
> exchange and recognized simpatico.
> 
> -Patrick
> 
>  
> 
> From: andrea.a...@gmail.com [mailto:andrea.a...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andrea Aime
> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 6:32 AM
> To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
> Cc: Ian Turton; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
> 
>  
> 
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
> <patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> wrote:
> 
> It appears to me that even these more-substantial-than-hackathons sprints do 
> not reflect the typical work environment for code development. I willsuggest 
> that requires more of the 'deep thought' Leonardo approach versus the more 
> intuitive 'just start chiseling' of a Michelangelo. 
> 
>  
> 
> Patrick, it seems to be you imagining a work environment that's quite 
> different from the one a software developer in a company doing consulting 
> (typical open source setup) has.
> 
>  
> 
> My normal work environment requires me to work for 2-5 different customers a 
> day spanning from training, spec-ing and designing new ones that I'm in 
> charge of.
> 
> During a typical open source code sprint I'm focused on a single activity all 
> day instead.
> 
>  
> 
> To be clear, I'm not complaining, if my daily work was single activity I'd 
> walk away out of boredom, what keeps the typical code sprint
> 
> engaging is also that we normally take on activity that seem hard to fit in 
> the allowed time, and thus require some
> 
> extras in terms of concentration and inventiveness to actually get completed 
> :-p
> 
>  
> 
> I'd say the recipe for a typical successful open source code sprint is:
> 
> * Several developers in the same room, that are normally working from remote 
> in different time zones
> 
> * An ambitious objective (not 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Jody Garnett]

I expect Patrick is looking more for social advocacy. Sprints are often
devoted to the boring software development - that if we are lucky can
enable so much more ...

OSGeo is a software foundation, so we will look into the depths of how
software and their communities function and stay healthy. There is of
course lots more good to do on the world - which is why we partner with
other organizations.
On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 7:57 AM Ian Turton <ijtur...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Again you are misunderstanding how sprints (at least in the GeoJava tribe)
> work - we plan for weeks (or months) before hand to make the most of the
> limited time we have with the developers all in the same room and time zone
> there is no brain storming at the event or quilting. We arrive with a plan
> and execute that plan. Others are welcome to participate from a remote
> location (as I did with the last GeoServer sprint) but there is inevitably
> less interaction when you are 8 hours out of phase with the participants.
>
> I'd love to spend my days crafting new cathedrals but there isn't the
> demand from customers for that so mostly we work at incremental
> improvements to our existing code base. Every so often we can join together
> to throw up a new wing or (more often) fix the leaky roof that is annoying
> but that no one want's to pay to fix, which is where funding from the OSGEO
> comes in otherwise the code will just slowly rot until it all falls apart
> and the customers go back to being gouged by proprietary suppliers who can
> ignore the rot and just sell on the new shiny paint job.
>
> Ian
>
> On 6 March 2016 at 15:40, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <patrick.ho...@nasa.gov>
> wrote:
>
>> Andrea,
>>
>> The world needs a more peaceful approach to the future. That’s not what
>> we have in a world that is rapidly disassembling, obviously with individual
>> exceptions. So yes, a portion of the real world necessarily operates with a
>> high degree of chaos. And though it may appear the norm, it is not the
>> condition we aspire to, nor one that most allows for wise decisions.
>> Brainstorming ideas is certainly a different exercise than the careful
>> crafting required for long-standing solutions. I am suggesting we engender
>> the more thoughtful approach, not surrender to the one of surviving chaos,
>> given ‘your’ coding environment. I think of sprints as good for
>> brainstorming, and yes, the dynamic sharing of ideas is very important. But
>> I still see it as a patchwork quilt, not the venue for accumulating a
>> masterpiece. I realize the world is not simply made of masterpieces, but we
>> need them, and we can do more to engender them. And of course pursue with
>> gusto, plenty of stimulating drinks and high moments of constructive
>> exchange and recognized simpatico.
>>
>> -Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* andrea.a...@gmail.com [mailto:andrea.a...@gmail.com] *On Behalf
>> Of *Andrea Aime
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 6, 2016 6:32 AM
>> *To:* Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
>> *Cc:* Ian Turton; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <
>> patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> It appears to me that even these more-substantial-than-hackathons sprints
>> do not reflect the typical work environment for code development. I will
>> suggest that requires more of the 'deep thought' Leonardo approach versus
>> the more intuitive 'just start chiseling' of a Michelangelo.
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick, it seems to be you imagining a work environment that's quite
>> different from the one a software developer in a company doing consulting
>> (typical open source setup) has.
>>
>>
>>
>> My normal work environment requires me to work for 2-5 different
>> customers a day spanning from training, spec-ing and designing new
>> modules/applications, meetings, and actual development, along with
>> answering questions from my colleagues on other activities, often unrelated
>> to the ones that I'm in charge of.
>>
>> During a typical open source code sprint I'm focused on a single activity
>> all day instead.
>>
>>
>>
>> To be clear, I'm not complaining, if my daily work was single activity
>> I'd walk away out of boredom, what keeps the typical code sprint
>>
>> engaging is also that we normally take on activity that seem hard to fit
>> in the allowed time, and thus require some
>>
>> extras in terms of concentration and inventiveness to actually get
>> completed

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Ian Turton]

Patrick,

Again you are misunderstanding how sprints (at least in the GeoJava tribe)
work - we plan for weeks (or months) before hand to make the most of the
limited time we have with the developers all in the same room and time zone
there is no brain storming at the event or quilting. We arrive with a plan
and execute that plan. Others are welcome to participate from a remote
location (as I did with the last GeoServer sprint) but there is inevitably
less interaction when you are 8 hours out of phase with the participants.

I'd love to spend my days crafting new cathedrals but there isn't the
demand from customers for that so mostly we work at incremental
improvements to our existing code base. Every so often we can join together
to throw up a new wing or (more often) fix the leaky roof that is annoying
but that no one want's to pay to fix, which is where funding from the OSGEO
comes in otherwise the code will just slowly rot until it all falls apart
and the customers go back to being gouged by proprietary suppliers who can
ignore the rot and just sell on the new shiny paint job.

Ian

On 6 March 2016 at 15:40, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <patrick.ho...@nasa.gov>
wrote:

> Andrea,
>
> The world needs a more peaceful approach to the future. That’s not what we
> have in a world that is rapidly disassembling, obviously with individual
> exceptions. So yes, a portion of the real world necessarily operates with a
> high degree of chaos. And though it may appear the norm, it is not the
> condition we aspire to, nor one that most allows for wise decisions.
> Brainstorming ideas is certainly a different exercise than the careful
> crafting required for long-standing solutions. I am suggesting we engender
> the more thoughtful approach, not surrender to the one of surviving chaos,
> given ‘your’ coding environment. I think of sprints as good for
> brainstorming, and yes, the dynamic sharing of ideas is very important. But
> I still see it as a patchwork quilt, not the venue for accumulating a
> masterpiece. I realize the world is not simply made of masterpieces, but we
> need them, and we can do more to engender them. And of course pursue with
> gusto, plenty of stimulating drinks and high moments of constructive
> exchange and recognized simpatico.
>
> -Patrick
>
>
>
> *From:* andrea.a...@gmail.com [mailto:andrea.a...@gmail.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Andrea Aime
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 6, 2016 6:32 AM
> *To:* Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
> *Cc:* Ian Turton; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <
> patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> It appears to me that even these more-substantial-than-hackathons sprints
> do not reflect the typical work environment for code development. I will
> suggest that requires more of the 'deep thought' Leonardo approach versus
> the more intuitive 'just start chiseling' of a Michelangelo.
>
>
>
> Patrick, it seems to be you imagining a work environment that's quite
> different from the one a software developer in a company doing consulting
> (typical open source setup) has.
>
>
>
> My normal work environment requires me to work for 2-5 different customers
> a day spanning from training, spec-ing and designing new
> modules/applications, meetings, and actual development, along with
> answering questions from my colleagues on other activities, often unrelated
> to the ones that I'm in charge of.
>
> During a typical open source code sprint I'm focused on a single activity
> all day instead.
>
>
>
> To be clear, I'm not complaining, if my daily work was single activity I'd
> walk away out of boredom, what keeps the typical code sprint
>
> engaging is also that we normally take on activity that seem hard to fit
> in the allowed time, and thus require some
>
> extras in terms of concentration and inventiveness to actually get
> completed :-p
>
>
>
> I'd say the recipe for a typical successful open source code sprint is:
>
> * Several developers in the same room, that are normally working from
> remote in different time zones
>
> * An ambitious objective (not so large/difficult that it's impossible to
> complete, but enough that you cannot relax and finish it anyways)
>
> * Typically, full day experience (e.g., we have lunch and dinner together
> too)
>
> * Coffee... lots of it :-p
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)]

Andrea,
The world needs a more peaceful approach to the future. That’s not what we have 
in a world that is rapidly disassembling, obviously with individual exceptions. 
So yes, a portion of the real world necessarily operates with a high degree of 
chaos. And though it may appear the norm, it is not the condition we aspire to, 
nor one that most allows for wise decisions. Brainstorming ideas is certainly a 
different exercise than the careful crafting required for long-standing 
solutions. I am suggesting we engender the more thoughtful approach, not 
surrender to the one of surviving chaos, given ‘your’ coding environment. I 
think of sprints as good for brainstorming, and yes, the dynamic sharing of 
ideas is very important. But I still see it as a patchwork quilt, not the venue 
for accumulating a masterpiece. I realize the world is not simply made of 
masterpieces, but we need them, and we can do more to engender them. And of 
course pursue with gusto, plenty of stimulating drinks and high moments of 
constructive exchange and recognized simpatico.
-Patrick

From: andrea.a...@gmail.com [mailto:andrea.a...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Andrea 
Aime
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 6:32 AM
To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
Cc: Ian Turton; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
<patrick.ho...@nasa.gov<mailto:patrick.ho...@nasa.gov>> wrote:
It appears to me that even these more-substantial-than-hackathons sprints do 
not reflect the typical work environment for code development. I will suggest 
that requires more of the 'deep thought' Leonardo approach versus the more 
intuitive 'just start chiseling' of a Michelangelo.

Patrick, it seems to be you imagining a work environment that's quite different 
from the one a software developer in a company doing consulting (typical open 
source setup) has.

My normal work environment requires me to work for 2-5 different customers a 
day spanning from training, spec-ing and designing new modules/applications, 
meetings, and actual development, along with answering questions from my 
colleagues on other activities, often unrelated to the ones that I'm in charge 
of.
During a typical open source code sprint I'm focused on a single activity all 
day instead.

To be clear, I'm not complaining, if my daily work was single activity I'd walk 
away out of boredom, what keeps the typical code sprint
engaging is also that we normally take on activity that seem hard to fit in the 
allowed time, and thus require some
extras in terms of concentration and inventiveness to actually get completed :-p

I'd say the recipe for a typical successful open source code sprint is:
* Several developers in the same room, that are normally working from remote in 
different time zones
* An ambitious objective (not so large/difficult that it's impossible to 
complete, but enough that you cannot relax and finish it anyways)
* Typically, full day experience (e.g., we have lunch and dinner together too)
* Coffee... lots of it :-p

Cheers
Andrea

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Andrea Aime]

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <
patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> wrote:

> It appears to me that even these more-substantial-than-hackathons sprints
> do not reflect the typical work environment for code development. I will
> suggest that requires more of the 'deep thought' Leonardo approach versus
> the more intuitive 'just start chiseling' of a Michelangelo.
>

Patrick, it seems to be you imagining a work environment that's quite
different from the one a software developer in a company doing consulting
(typical open source setup) has.

My normal work environment requires me to work for 2-5 different customers
a day spanning from training, spec-ing and designing new
modules/applications, meetings, and actual development, along with
answering questions from my colleagues on other activities, often unrelated
to the ones that I'm in charge of.
During a typical open source code sprint I'm focused on a single activity
all day instead.

To be clear, I'm not complaining, if my daily work was single activity I'd
walk away out of boredom, what keeps the typical code sprint
engaging is also that we normally take on activity that seem hard to fit in
the allowed time, and thus require some
extras in terms of concentration and inventiveness to actually get
completed :-p

I'd say the recipe for a typical successful open source code sprint is:
* Several developers in the same room, that are normally working from
remote in different time zones
* An ambitious objective (not so large/difficult that it's impossible to
complete, but enough that you cannot relax and finish it anyways)
* Typically, full day experience (e.g., we have lunch and dinner together
too)
* Coffee... lots of it :-p

Cheers
Andrea

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)]

Ian,
Yes, you are right. That sounds like a more constructive basis for engagement. 
It would be nice to see the history of 'sprint' success for reference. Even for 
sprints though, my thought is for a larger time-frame and more 
'convenience-of-location,' so that the sprint is not limited to just those who 
can attend.

'Expanding' the sprint might be to define the specs and establish the award. 
This would get away from the 'sprint' mentality, which is not the best 
environment for substantial and quality coding.

It appears to me that even these more-substantial-than-hackathons sprints do 
not reflect the typical work environment for code development. I will suggest 
that requires more of the 'deep thought' Leonardo approach versus the more 
intuitive 'just start chiseling' of a Michelangelo.

Thanks much for your good words! Greatly appreciate the chance to talk about 
this.
-Patrick

On Mar 6, 2016, at 5:27 AM, Ian Turton 
<ijtur...@gmail.com<mailto:ijtur...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Patrick, I think you are conflating Hackathons and code sprints - a hackathon 
is a random collection of cute assignments while Code Sprints are where a team 
(or teams) come together to achieve a goal that needs doing and is easier to 
solve when a group of developers are in the same room. For example the recent 
GeoServer sprint that upgraded the version of wicket used in GeoServer which is 
not a sexy project that could be done incrementally by a single volunteer.

Ian

On 5 March 2016 at 23:21, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
<patrick.ho...@nasa.gov<mailto:patrick.ho...@nasa.gov>> wrote:
Dirk,

In my opinion, a lot of energy is spent on these 'cute' assignments, equivalent 
to a big homework project. They do not represent 'real world' working scenarios 
and rarely produce anything of lasting value aside from the exercise, and the 
exercise itself doesn’t even qualify as an environment for expanding skill sets.

It is simply a sprint to an artificial finish line that disappears shortly 
after being crossed. It does not provide results that benefit the future, nor 
typically even expand the participants' skill set in any appreciable way. We've 
got millions of hours invested in these isolated one-off events and millions of 
dollars, without much to show for it.

The clock is ticking on this planet's ability to find a way collaborative way 
forward, while using our competitive instincts to achieve that. Encouraging a 
myriad of crazy races that end up with little that the future can use, seems a 
huge waste of opportunity in applying these aspiring minds. They could have 
been contributing to something that is bigger than them, building real-world 
project-based teamwork skills, and facilitating results that the world not only 
needs, but can actually use.

The Europa Challenge is trying to be just one example of that. If OSGeo were 
serious about supporting that, it would certainly have a very positive effect.

Wherever we choose to put our energy, it would be nice to see it encouraging 
real building-blocks and not just momentary muscle-flexing.

-Patrick
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Patrick,

You point to an interesting topic. I think there are several types of projects, 
and geomajas seems to be also in the category you describe.

It could be a good starting point for a discussion how we can best support 
OSGeo projects in general, and what should be the rules for the allocation.
Code sprints are good for a project to have a lot of things done in a short 
time for one project, but learning to learn from different projects how they 
are working together and share ideas and fun could also be a good goal to help 
open source collaboration.

But if you want to allocate a budget for awards such as the Europa Challenge, 
this is a separate budget than the code sprint budget, so maybe this suit your 
goal better.

Dirk

On 02-03-16 18:53, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:
> Maxi, Dirk and All,
>
>
>
> For WorldWind’s part, we are more the marathon type or at least 10k,
> otherwise known as ‘in it for the long haul’ versus sprints or hackathons.
>
>
>
> And we would dearly appreciate any OSGeo budget that might be made
> available, please!
>
>
>
> This would go exclusively to student winners of the Europa Challenge.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> -Patrick
>
>
>
> *From:*Discuss 
> [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>]
>  *On Behalf Of
> *dirk frigne
>
> *

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Ian Turton]

Patrick, I think you are conflating Hackathons and code sprints - a
hackathon is a random collection of cute assignments while Code Sprints are
where a team (or teams) come together to achieve a goal that needs doing
and is easier to solve when a group of developers are in the same room. For
example the recent GeoServer sprint that upgraded the version of wicket
used in GeoServer which is not a sexy project that could be done
incrementally by a single volunteer.

Ian

On 5 March 2016 at 23:21, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <patrick.ho...@nasa.gov>
wrote:

> Dirk,
>
> In my opinion, a lot of energy is spent on these 'cute' assignments,
> equivalent to a big homework project. They do not represent 'real world'
> working scenarios and rarely produce anything of lasting value aside from
> the exercise, and the exercise itself doesn’t even qualify as an
> environment for expanding skill sets.
>
> It is simply a sprint to an artificial finish line that disappears shortly
> after being crossed. It does not provide results that benefit the future,
> nor typically even expand the participants' skill set in any appreciable
> way. We've got millions of hours invested in these isolated one-off events
> and millions of dollars, without much to show for it.
>
> The clock is ticking on this planet's ability to find a way collaborative
> way forward, while using our competitive instincts to achieve that.
> Encouraging a myriad of crazy races that end up with little that the future
> can use, seems a huge waste of opportunity in applying these aspiring
> minds. They could have been contributing to something that is bigger than
> them, building real-world project-based teamwork skills, and facilitating
> results that the world not only needs, but can actually use.
>
> The Europa Challenge is trying to be just one example of that. If OSGeo
> were serious about supporting that, it would certainly have a very positive
> effect.
>
> Wherever we choose to put our energy, it would be nice to see it
> encouraging real building-blocks and not just momentary muscle-flexing.
>
> -Patrick
>  (650) 604-5656 (office)
>  (650) 269-2788 (cell)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Dirk
> Frigne
> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 5:27 AM
> To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> Cc: managementsupp...@geosparc.com
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
>
> Patrick,
>
> You point to an interesting topic. I think there are several types of
> projects, and geomajas seems to be also in the category you describe.
>
> It could be a good starting point for a discussion how we can best support
> OSGeo projects in general, and what should be the rules for the allocation.
> Code sprints are good for a project to have a lot of things done in a
> short time for one project, but learning to learn from different projects
> how they are working together and share ideas and fun could also be a good
> goal to help open source collaboration.
>
> But if you want to allocate a budget for awards such as the Europa
> Challenge, this is a separate budget than the code sprint budget, so maybe
> this suit your goal better.
>
> Dirk
>
> On 02-03-16 18:53, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:
> > Maxi, Dirk and All,
> >
> >
> >
> > For WorldWind’s part, we are more the marathon type or at least 10k,
> > otherwise known as ‘in it for the long haul’ versus sprints or
> hackathons.
> >
> >
> >
> > And we would dearly appreciate any OSGeo budget that might be made
> > available, please!
> >
> >
> >
> > This would go exclusively to student winners of the Europa Challenge.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > -Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of
> > *dirk frigne
> >
> > *Sent:*Wednesday, March 02, 2016 8:23 AM
> >
> > *To:*discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> >
> > *Cc:*managementsupp...@dfc.be
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
> >
> >
> >
> > Maxi,
> >
> >
> >
> > I think we can solve that concern by divide the budget in 2 parts:
> >
> > Assumption that we know already the really strategic code sprints for
> 2016.
> >
> > (like the FOSS4G codes sprint in Bonn)
> >
> >
> >
> > From past years the board can make a good assumption what the budget
> > for the strategic code sprints should be, and reserve that for these
> > activities for 2016. The second part can be allocated to new and
> > ad-hoc initiatives following a RFP.
>

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Dirk Frigne]

Patrick,

You point to an interesting topic. I think there are several types of
projects, and geomajas seems to be also in the category you describe.

It could be a good starting point for a discussion how we can best
support OSGeo projects in general, and what should be the rules for the
allocation.
Code sprints are good for a project to have a lot of things done in a
short time for one project, but learning to learn from different
projects how they are working together and share ideas and fun could
also be a good goal to help open source collaboration.

But if you want to allocate a budget for awards such as the Europa
Challenge, this is a separate budget than the code sprint budget, so
maybe this suit your goal better.

Dirk

On 02-03-16 18:53, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:
> Maxi, Dirk and All,
> 
>  
> 
> For WorldWind’s part, we are more the marathon type or at least 10k,
> otherwise known as ‘in it for the long haul’ versus sprints or hackathons.
> 
>  
> 
> And we would dearly appreciate any OSGeo budget that might be made
> available, please!
> 
>  
> 
> This would go exclusively to student winners of the Europa Challenge.
> 
>  
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> -Patrick
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of
> *dirk frigne
> 
> *Sent:*Wednesday, March 02, 2016 8:23 AM
> 
> *To:*discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> 
> *Cc:*managementsupp...@dfc.be
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
> 
>  
> 
> Maxi,
> 
>  
> 
> I think we can solve that concern by divide the budget in 2 parts:
> 
> Assumption that we know already the really strategic code sprints for 2016.
> 
> (like the FOSS4G codes sprint in Bonn)
> 
>  
> 
> From past years the board  can make a good assumption what the budget
> for the strategic code sprints should be, and reserve that for these
> activities for 2016. The second part can be allocated to new and ad-hoc
> initiatives following a RFP.
> 
> (and in 2017 we can have several periods with RFP's so we can
> instantiate a continue process).
> 
>  
> 
> Dirk
> 
>  
> 
> On 22-02-16 09:42, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> the fact that made me rise this discussion is:
> 
> - we are facing more and more sprint code support requests (really
> really great)
> 
> - we do have limited budget (we may not be able to support all the requests)
> 
>  
> 
> So, how to prevent, for example, that a request in September for a very
> strategic sprint code is not funded because all the money were already
> spent?
> 
> Shall we have a call for sprint code with defined criteria of selection
> so that all the projects are aware of this possibility and knows the rules?
> 
>  
> 
> This was my concerns...
> 
>  
> 
> Best,
> 
> Maxi
> 
>  
> 
> 2016-02-22 8:12 GMT+01:00 Mr. Puneet Kishor <punk.k...@gmail.com
> <mailto:punk.k...@gmail.com>>:
> 
>  
> 
> On Feb 22, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
> <patrick.ho...@nasa.gov <mailto:patrick.ho...@nasa.gov>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai
> 
>  
> 
> Correct. The current going rate is about 15¢ or 10p.
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)]

Maxi, Dirk and All,

For WorldWind’s part, we are more the marathon type or at least 10k, otherwise 
known as ‘in it for the long haul’ versus sprints or hackathons.

And we would dearly appreciate any OSGeo budget that might be made available, 
please!

This would go exclusively to student winners of the Europa Challenge.

Kind regards,
-Patrick

From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of dirk frigne
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 8:23 AM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Cc: managementsupp...@dfc.be
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Maxi,

I think we can solve that concern by divide the budget in 2 parts:
Assumption that we know already the really strategic code sprints for 2016.
(like the FOSS4G codes sprint in Bonn)

From past years the board  can make a good assumption what the budget for the 
strategic code sprints should be, and reserve that for these activities for 
2016. The second part can be allocated to new and ad-hoc initiatives following 
a RFP.
(and in 2017 we can have several periods with RFP's so we can instantiate a 
continue process).

Dirk

On 22-02-16 09:42, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

Dear all,
the fact that made me rise this discussion is:
- we are facing more and more sprint code support requests (really really great)
- we do have limited budget (we may not be able to support all the requests)

So, how to prevent, for example, that a request in September for a very 
strategic sprint code is not funded because all the money were already spent?
Shall we have a call for sprint code with defined criteria of selection so that 
all the projects are aware of this possibility and knows the rules?

This was my concerns...

Best,
Maxi

2016-02-22 8:12 GMT+01:00 Mr. Puneet Kishor 
<punk.k...@gmail.com<mailto:punk.k...@gmail.com>>:

On Feb 22, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
<patrick.ho...@nasa.gov<mailto:patrick.ho...@nasa.gov>> wrote:

For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai

Correct. The current going rate is about 15¢ or 10p.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[dirk frigne]

Maxi,

I think we can solve that concern by divide the budget in 2 parts:
Assumption that we know already the really strategic code sprints for 2016.
(like the FOSS4G codes sprint in Bonn)

>From past years the board  can make a good assumption what the budget
for the strategic code sprints should be, and reserve that for these
activities for 2016. The second part can be allocated to new and ad-hoc
initiatives following a RFP.
(and in 2017 we can have several periods with RFP's so we can
instantiate a continue process).

Dirk

On 22-02-16 09:42, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
> Dear all,
> the fact that made me rise this discussion is:
> - we are facing more and more sprint code support requests (really
> really great)
> - we do have limited budget (we may not be able to support all the
> requests)
>
> So, how to prevent, for example, that a request in September for a
> very strategic sprint code is not funded because all the money were
> already spent?
> Shall we have a call for sprint code with defined criteria of
> selection so that all the projects are aware of this possibility and
> knows the rules?
>
> This was my concerns...
>
>
> Best,
> Maxi
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2016-02-22 8:12 GMT+01:00 Mr. Puneet Kishor  >:
>
>
> > On Feb 22, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
> > wrote:
> >
> > For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai
>
>
> Correct. The current going rate is about 15¢ or 10p.
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Even Rouault]

Le lundi 22 février 2016 08:07:53, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) a écrit :
> Venka and All,
> 
> For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai, I am
> not a fan of code sprints. Show me any lasting results of those events.

Patrick,

This might be read as a bit a provocative statement to those who have attended 
such events or about to attend them, especially for projects that have proven 
records of existing since 10, 20 or 30 years ;-)
Take the example of the recent GeoServer code sprint where they managed to 
upgrade one of their components which hadn't been possible in previous 
isolated / non-coordinated attempts.
Speaking more personally, the Vienna Code Sprint in 2013 was the kick-off for 
one of the main change that lead to GDAL 2.0 (even if I ended up throwing away 
my insane initial design).
It is also/essentially the opportunity to build or strengthen intra-project 
team spirit, which can be difficult through the usual digital communication 
channels used by teams spread across the world. Or tackle tasks that can be 
neglected otherwise (documentation). I've also experimented many cross-project 
discussions and help, which would be difficult to do in a remote way (email 
exchanges can be tedious when interaction is needed, voice/video meetings 
difficult to plan due to time zone differences...)
So of course one week per itself is small to see big accomplishments, but it 
can be seen as a refuelling step on the long way of project roadmaps.

Even

> As
> a former High School science teacher (almost 30 years ago), I sensed that
> real character development (and results) came from more serious
> application of efforts, the kind of project-based efforts that get
> accomplished by small teams over academic quarters or semesters of time.
> 
> This is some of the thinking that went into designing the Europa Challenge
> that NASA runs in concert with Politecnico di Milano at Como. We certainly
> welcome any support our young champions might benefit from that the OSGEO
> Foundation might wish to provide.
> 
> Whatever process there is for making the request, we would like to apply
> please.
> 
> -Patrick
>  (650) 604-5656 (office)
>  (650) 269-2788 (cell)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
> Venkatesh Raghavan Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:25 PM
> To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I agree with you. My suggestion to spread out the code sprint was only to
> ensure that the community has some idea some idea when the sprint could be
> expected and when/how to request OSGeo Foundation for support.
> 
> I would like to see more an more code sprints (also incubation sprints
> etc.) being organized in the future being as and when the community finds
> it necessary.
> 
> I think, we only need to ensure that the procedure to request for support
> and guidelines to be followed are know to everyone in our community.
> 
> Best
> 
> Venka
> 
> On 2/22/2016 3:07 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
> > All,
> > 
> > I don't think there is a reason to have code sprints coordinate their
> > times to spread them out over the year. They should run when they need
> > to run. We don't have a cash flow issue that would require this.
> > 
> > And for the Paris Code Sprint, although a request was made, it does
> > not appear at this time that it will be needed with the carryover
> > funding and with the sponsorships.
> > 
> > I firmly agree that Code Sprints are one of the more important things
> > that the foundation does and if there are worthy candidates for
> > funding, then I, for one, would like to see our budget expand to cover
> > these. What we have now is just an expectation based on past support,
> > but if new ones come along that meet our guidelines, I don't see a
> > reason not to support them no matter the time period or if they exceed
> > our current budget.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > Michael Smith
> > OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
> > treasu...@osgeo.org
> > 
> > From:  Board <board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Venkatesh
> > Raghavan <ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
> > Date:  Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 6:35 PM
> > To:  OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, OSGeo Board
> > <bo...@lists.osgeo.org>
> > Subject:  Re: [Board] Funding code Sprints
> > 
> >> Dear All,
> >> 
> >>   Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
> >>   possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
> >>   sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.
>

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Jody Garnett]

You will find examples, such as an internship or google summer of code,
where several months of an individuals time can be devoted towards a
project. This is a bit of a different dynamic to a "sprint" which pulls
together individuals from all walks of life to focus on a task...

I think you will find, that with a great deal of planning and prep,
geosever team met our sprint target in January.
- http://blog.geoserver.org/2016/01/25/geoserver-code-sprint-success/

I also took part of a smaller code sprint last year which was successful:
-
http://geotoolsnews.blogspot.ca/2015/03/foss4gna-code-sprint-replacing-vecmath.html

Given the nature of our industry it is hard to fund developers from several
different organizations to work together at the same time. The key
advantage of a "sprint" is opening up a gap in the work schedule where
collaboration (and focus) can occur.

Longer sustained efforts across organizations would be amazing - but harder
to fund. An example would be the creation of the open layers 3 project.




--
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On 21 February 2016 at 23:07, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <
patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> wrote:

> Venka and All,
>
> For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai, I am
> not a fan of code sprints. Show me any lasting results of those events. As
> a former High School science teacher (almost 30 years ago), I sensed that
> real character development (and results) came from more serious application
> of efforts, the kind of project-based efforts that get accomplished by
> small teams over academic quarters or semesters of time.
>
> This is some of the thinking that went into designing the Europa Challenge
> that NASA runs in concert with Politecnico di Milano at Como. We certainly
> welcome any support our young champions might benefit from that the OSGEO
> Foundation might wish to provide.
>
> Whatever process there is for making the request, we would like to apply
> please.
>
> -Patrick
>  (650) 604-5656 (office)
>  (650) 269-2788 (cell)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
> Venkatesh Raghavan
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:25 PM
> To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I agree with you. My suggestion to spread out the code sprint was only to
> ensure that the community has some idea some idea when the sprint could be
> expected and when/how to request OSGeo Foundation for support.
>
> I would like to see more an more code sprints (also incubation sprints
> etc.) being organized in the future being as and when the community finds
> it necessary.
>
> I think, we only need to ensure that the procedure to request for support
> and guidelines to be followed are know to everyone in our community.
>
> Best
>
> Venka
>
> On 2/22/2016 3:07 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I don't think there is a reason to have code sprints coordinate their
> > times to spread them out over the year. They should run when they need
> > to run. We don't have a cash flow issue that would require this.
> >
> > And for the Paris Code Sprint, although a request was made, it does
> > not appear at this time that it will be needed with the carryover
> > funding and with the sponsorships.
> >
> > I firmly agree that Code Sprints are one of the more important things
> > that the foundation does and if there are worthy candidates for
> > funding, then I, for one, would like to see our budget expand to cover
> > these. What we have now is just an expectation based on past support,
> > but if new ones come along that meet our guidelines, I don't see a
> > reason not to support them no matter the time period or if they exceed
> our current budget.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 
> > Michael Smith
> > OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
> > treasu...@osgeo.org
> >
> > From:  Board <board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Venkatesh
> > Raghavan <ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
> > Date:  Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 6:35 PM
> > To:  OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, OSGeo Board
> > <bo...@lists.osgeo.org>
> > Subject:  Re: [Board] Funding code Sprints
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >>   Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
> >>   possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
> >>   sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.
> >>
> >>   I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four
> >>   periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-J

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Massimiliano Cannata]

Dear all,
the fact that made me rise this discussion is:
- we are facing more and more sprint code support requests (really really
great)
- we do have limited budget (we may not be able to support all the requests)

So, how to prevent, for example, that a request in September for a very
strategic sprint code is not funded because all the money were already
spent?
Shall we have a call for sprint code with defined criteria of selection so
that all the projects are aware of this possibility and knows the rules?

This was my concerns...


Best,
Maxi






2016-02-22 8:12 GMT+01:00 Mr. Puneet Kishor :

>
> > On Feb 22, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <
> patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> > For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai
>
>
> Correct. The current going rate is about 15¢ or 10p.
>
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Mr. Puneet Kishor]

> On Feb 22, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
>  wrote:
> 
> For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai


Correct. The current going rate is about 15¢ or 10p.




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)]

Venka and All,

For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai, I am not a 
fan of code sprints. Show me any lasting results of those events. As a former 
High School science teacher (almost 30 years ago), I sensed that real character 
development (and results) came from more serious application of efforts, the 
kind of project-based efforts that get accomplished by small teams over 
academic quarters or semesters of time. 

This is some of the thinking that went into designing the Europa Challenge that 
NASA runs in concert with Politecnico di Milano at Como. We certainly welcome 
any support our young champions might benefit from that the OSGEO Foundation 
might wish to provide. 

Whatever process there is for making the request, we would like to apply 
please. 

-Patrick
 (650) 604-5656 (office)
 (650) 269-2788 (cell)

-Original Message-
From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Venkatesh 
Raghavan
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:25 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Hi Mike,

I agree with you. My suggestion to spread out the code sprint was only to 
ensure that the community has some idea some idea when the sprint could be 
expected and when/how to request OSGeo Foundation for support.

I would like to see more an more code sprints (also incubation sprints etc.) 
being organized in the future being as and when the community finds it 
necessary.

I think, we only need to ensure that the procedure to request for support and 
guidelines to be followed are know to everyone in our community.

Best

Venka

On 2/22/2016 3:07 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't think there is a reason to have code sprints coordinate their 
> times to spread them out over the year. They should run when they need 
> to run. We don't have a cash flow issue that would require this.
>
> And for the Paris Code Sprint, although a request was made, it does 
> not appear at this time that it will be needed with the carryover 
> funding and with the sponsorships.
>
> I firmly agree that Code Sprints are one of the more important things 
> that the foundation does and if there are worthy candidates for 
> funding, then I, for one, would like to see our budget expand to cover 
> these. What we have now is just an expectation based on past support, 
> but if new ones come along that meet our guidelines, I don't see a 
> reason not to support them no matter the time period or if they exceed our 
> current budget.
>
> Mike
>
> 
> Michael Smith
> OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
> treasu...@osgeo.org
>
> From:  Board <board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Venkatesh 
> Raghavan <ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
> Date:  Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 6:35 PM
> To:  OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, OSGeo Board 
> <bo...@lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject:  Re: [Board] Funding code Sprints
>
>>  
>>   
>> Dear All,
>>   
>>   Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
>>   possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
>>   sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.
>>   
>>   I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four
>>   periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
>>   and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
>>   conference.
>>   
>>   OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016), 
>> fits very well
>>   for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup of projects
>>   and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].
>>   
>>   Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our
>>   largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that
>>   OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as
>>   an official event for the July-September period.
>>   
>>   Best
>>   
>>   Venka
>>   
>>   [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016
>>   
>>   
>>   On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>   
>>   
>>>   
>>> Dear All,
>>> this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within 
>>> the board directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.
>>>
>>> Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without 
>>> any specific plan.
>>> Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that 
>>> as i believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up 
>>> advances and was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has 
>>> 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Venkatesh Raghavan]

Hi Mike,

I agree with you. My suggestion to spread out the code sprint was only
to ensure that the community has some idea some idea when
the sprint could be expected and when/how to request OSGeo
Foundation for support.

I would like to see more an more code sprints (also incubation sprints
etc.) being organized in the future being as and when the community
finds it necessary.

I think, we only need to ensure that the procedure to request for 
support and

guidelines to be followed are know to everyone in our community.

Best

Venka

On 2/22/2016 3:07 PM, Michael Smith wrote:

All,

I don't think there is a reason to have code sprints coordinate their times
to spread them out over the year. They should run when they need to run. We
don't have a cash flow issue that would require this.

And for the Paris Code Sprint, although a request was made, it does not
appear at this time that it will be needed with the carryover funding and
with the sponsorships.

I firmly agree that Code Sprints are one of the more important things that
the foundation does and if there are worthy candidates for funding, then I,
for one, would like to see our budget expand to cover these. What we have
now is just an expectation based on past support, but if new ones come along
that meet our guidelines, I don't see a reason not to support them no matter
the time period or if they exceed our current budget.

Mike


Michael Smith
OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
treasu...@osgeo.org

From:  Board  on behalf of Venkatesh Raghavan

Date:  Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 6:35 PM
To:  OSGeo Discussions , OSGeo Board

Subject:  Re: [Board] Funding code Sprints

 
  
Dear All,
  
  Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be

  possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
  sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.
  
  I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four

  periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
  and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
  conference.
  
  OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016), fits very

well
  for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup of projects
  and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].
  
  Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our

  largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that
  OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as
  an official event for the July-September period.
  
  Best
  
  Venka
  
  [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016
  
  
  On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
  
  
  
Dear All,

this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board
directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.

Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any
specific plan.
Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as i
believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and
was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.

With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different
communities:

- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This
will give an idea of the number of expected requests.

- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually
what is your choice motivation?


Thank you,

Maxi



  
   
  
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[Jody Garnett]

On 20 February 2016 at 01:07, Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

> With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the
> different communities:
>
> - who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This
> will give an idea of the number of expected requests.
>

Thanks to OSGeo both providing funds, and providing backup, for the
GeoServer sprint. No further sprints are planned in 2016.

I think that providing backup-funding is a more valuable use of OSGeo
resources - it enables planning to start early before "enough" sponsorship
is in place.
(I am really glad to see such generous sponsorship  of the paris code
sprint!)


> - do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually
> what is your choice motivation?
>

There is not a bad list of criteria in the wiki:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Code_Sprint_Guidelines

*When deciding to support a sprint, OSGeo should follow these guidelines:*


   -
*OSGeo has a limited budget, and gives priority to proposals which provide
   value to a wide OSGeo community. Greater value might be achieved by
   incorporating sprints from multiple OSGeo projects into one, or by
   extending the code sprint to incorporate virtual participants from around
   the world. *
   -
*OSGeo should not be the sole source of funding for the event. OSGeo
   prefers sprints to be partially funded by third-party sponsors, and may
   choose to provide funding "matching" the amount of sponsorship money raised
   for the event. OSGeo's contribution should go towards reducing the net cost
   for participants instead of for instance supporting a more expensive venue
   or setup. *
   - *OSGeo understands that some events may require up-front costs, e.g.
   for deposits, and some events may present a financial risk, e.g. if the
   number of attendees is not met. Instead of direct funding, OSGeo may
   provide "back-stop" funding and assume the liability risk.*

Criteria:
- OSGeo projects represented (although sprint open to all like minded
projects it would be a shame to have an OSGeo sprint with no OSGeo
projects).

Recommended:
- Multiple projects participation (cross project communication is great for
community building - "we are in it together" feeling)

Ideal:
- Cross project activities (say integration testing between several osgeo
projects, or a joint initiative)
- Sprint focused on OSGeo goals (incubation sprint, website sprint,
education outreach sprint)
- Sprint focused on a partner goal (say a sprint focused on OGC CITE
testing)

Thanks for facilitating this conversation Maxi
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[Michael Smith]

All,

I don't think there is a reason to have code sprints coordinate their times
to spread them out over the year. They should run when they need to run. We
don't have a cash flow issue that would require this.

And for the Paris Code Sprint, although a request was made, it does not
appear at this time that it will be needed with the carryover funding and
with the sponsorships.

I firmly agree that Code Sprints are one of the more important things that
the foundation does and if there are worthy candidates for funding, then I,
for one, would like to see our budget expand to cover these. What we have
now is just an expectation based on past support, but if new ones come along
that meet our guidelines, I don't see a reason not to support them no matter
the time period or if they exceed our current budget.

Mike


Michael Smith
OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
treasu...@osgeo.org

From:  Board  on behalf of Venkatesh Raghavan

Date:  Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 6:35 PM
To:  OSGeo Discussions , OSGeo Board

Subject:  Re: [Board] Funding code Sprints

> 
>  
> Dear All, 
>  
>  Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
>  possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
>  sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.
>  
>  I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four
>  periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
>  and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
>  conference. 
>  
>  OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016), fits very
> well
>  for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup of projects
>  and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].
>  
>  Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our
>  largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that
>  OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as
>  an official event for the July-September period.
>  
>  Best
>  
>  Venka 
>  
>  [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016
>  
>  
>  On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>  
>  
>>  
>> Dear All,
>> this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board
>> directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.
>> 
>> Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any
>> specific plan.
>> Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as i
>> believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and
>> was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.
>> 
>> With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different
>> communities:
>> 
>> - who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This
>> will give an idea of the number of expected requests.
>> 
>> - do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually
>> what is your choice motivation?
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Maxi
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)]

Venka,
Does it get easier than this for having the whole world in the palm of your 
hand?
Be sure “Auto-run” in the third column is checked:
http://jsbin.com/canayolane/1/edit?html,js,output


From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Hogan, 
Patrick (ARC-PX)
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 6:41 PM
To: Venkatesh Raghavan; OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Venka,

I’m just suggesting that it be included under “Project Plans” here 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016

Just asking that one line ‘Europa Challenge’ and URL simply be included there 
on the webpage, as an ‘approved’ Project Plan. The Europa Challenge is a 
well-designed ‘code sprint’ opportunity for doing this world some good. So it 
would seem a good way for the Code Sprinters to double-down on their efforts 
while fully supporting the OSGEO Code Sprint Paris 2016.

I too am not connected in that realm, so am quite alien to making this idea 
work.

But the Europa Challenge has respectable pedigree and deserves the attention.

Anyway, just a thought. . .
-Patrick

From: Venkatesh Raghavan [mailto:ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 6:28 PM
To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Hi Patrick,

On 2/22/2016 9:32 AM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:

Venka,



Howdy! Any reason why the Paris Code Sprint couldn’t include the Europa 
Challenge criteria?

I am not sure that I understand what you mean by "include the Europa Challenge 
criteria".
Since the Europa Challenge is open to all [1], I do not see any reason why the 
project
team or individuals participating in the code sprint cannot send in their 
entries  for
the Europa Challenge.

I would encourage you (or Maria) to send the info about the Europa Challenge to 
the
Code Sprint ML [2] (I am not subscribed to the list). You request the 
organizers to
print the Europa Challenge brochure [3] and leave copies at the registration
desk of the Code Sprint venue to increase visibility amongst the Paris Code
Sprinters.

Best

Venka

[1] http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/
[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/tosprint
[3] 
http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/sites/default/files/Europa_Challenge-Flyer.pdf



They would simply use the Europa Challenge criteria submit their results there 
in addition to the Paris Code Sprint!



Then that code sprint would be getting *double exposure* and have a shot at the 
NASA Crystal Bull, http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/



That’s two finish lines for the price of one sprint!



We will treat Code Sprinters as grad students or SME, no mentor required.



-Patrick

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From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Venkatesh 
Raghavan

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:35 PM

To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board

Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints



Dear All,



Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be

possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar

sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.



I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four

periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec

and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual

conference.



OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016),

fits very well for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup

of projects and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].



Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our

largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that

OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as

an official event for the July-September period.



Best



Venka



[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016





On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:



Dear All,



this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board 
directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.



Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any specific 
plan.



Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as I 
believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and was 
so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.



With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different 
communities:



- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This will 
give an idea of the number of expected requests.



- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually what 
is your choice motivation?



Thank you,

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[Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)]

Venka,

I’m just suggesting that it be included under “Project Plans” here 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016

Just asking that one line ‘Europa Challenge’ and URL simply be included there 
on the webpage, as an ‘approved’ Project Plan. The Europa Challenge is a 
well-designed ‘code sprint’ opportunity for doing this world some good. So it 
would seem a good way for the Code Sprinters to double-down on their efforts 
while fully supporting the OSGEO Code Sprint Paris 2016.

I too am not connected in that realm, so am quite alien to making this idea 
work.

But the Europa Challenge has respectable pedigree and deserves the attention.

Anyway, just a thought. . .
-Patrick

From: Venkatesh Raghavan [mailto:ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 6:28 PM
To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Hi Patrick,

On 2/22/2016 9:32 AM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:

Venka,



Howdy! Any reason why the Paris Code Sprint couldn’t include the Europa 
Challenge criteria?

I am not sure that I understand what you mean by "include the Europa Challenge 
criteria".
Since the Europa Challenge is open to all [1], I do not see any reason why the 
project
team or individuals participating in the code sprint cannot send in their 
entries  for
the Europa Challenge.

I would encourage you (or Maria) to send the info about the Europa Challenge to 
the
Code Sprint ML [2] (I am not subscribed to the list). You request the 
organizers to
print the Europa Challenge brochure [3] and leave copies at the registration
desk of the Code Sprint venue to increase visibility amongst the Paris Code
Sprinters.

Best

Venka

[1] http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/
[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/tosprint
[3] 
http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/sites/default/files/Europa_Challenge-Flyer.pdf






They would simply use the Europa Challenge criteria submit their results there 
in addition to the Paris Code Sprint!



Then that code sprint would be getting *double exposure* and have a shot at the 
NASA Crystal Bull, http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/



That’s two finish lines for the price of one sprint!



We will treat Code Sprinters as grad students or SME, no mentor required.



-Patrick

(650) 604-5656 (office)

(650) 269-2788 (cell)



From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Venkatesh 
Raghavan

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:35 PM

To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board

Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints



Dear All,



Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be

possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar

sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.



I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four

periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec

and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual

conference.



OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016),

fits very well for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup

of projects and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].



Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our

largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that

OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as

an official event for the July-September period.



Best



Venka



[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016





On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:



Dear All,



this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board



directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.







Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any



specific plan.



Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as i



believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and



was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.







With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different



communities:







- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This



will give an idea of the number of expected requests.







- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually



what is your choice motivation?











Thank you,







Maxi





















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[Venkatesh Raghavan]

Hi Patrick,

On 2/22/2016 9:32 AM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:

Venka,

Howdy! Any reason why the Paris Code Sprint couldn’t include the Europa 
Challenge criteria?


I am not sure that I understand what you mean by "include the Europa 
Challenge criteria".
Since the Europa Challenge is open to all [1], I do not see any reason 
why the project
team or individuals participating in the code sprint cannot send in 
their entries  for

the Europa Challenge.

I would encourage you (or Maria) to send the info about the Europa 
Challenge to the
Code Sprint ML [2] (I am not subscribed to the list). You request the 
organizers to

print the Europa Challenge brochure [3] and leave copies at the registration
desk of the Code Sprint venue to increase visibility amongst the Paris Code
Sprinters.

Best

Venka

[1] http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/
[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/tosprint
[3] 
http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/sites/default/files/Europa_Challenge-Flyer.pdf


They would simply use the Europa Challenge criteria submit their results there 
in addition to the Paris Code Sprint!

Then that code sprint would be getting *double exposure* and have a shot at the 
NASA Crystal Bull, http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/

That’s two finish lines for the price of one sprint!

We will treat Code Sprinters as grad students or SME, no mentor required.

-Patrick
(650) 604-5656 (office)
(650) 269-2788 (cell)

From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Venkatesh 
Raghavan
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:35 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Dear All,

Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.

I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four
periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
conference.

OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016),
fits very well for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup
of projects and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].

Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our
largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that
OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as
an official event for the July-September period.

Best

Venka

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016


On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

Dear All,

this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board

directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.



Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any

specific plan.

Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as i

believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and

was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.



With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different

communities:



- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This

will give an idea of the number of expected requests.



- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually

what is your choice motivation?





Thank you,



Maxi










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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)]

Venka,

Howdy! Any reason why the Paris Code Sprint couldn’t include the Europa 
Challenge criteria?

They would simply use the Europa Challenge criteria submit their results there 
in addition to the Paris Code Sprint!

Then that code sprint would be getting *double exposure* and have a shot at the 
NASA Crystal Bull, http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/

That’s two finish lines for the price of one sprint!

We will treat Code Sprinters as grad students or SME, no mentor required.

-Patrick
(650) 604-5656 (office)
(650) 269-2788 (cell)

From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Venkatesh 
Raghavan
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:35 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Dear All,

Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.

I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four
periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
conference.

OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016),
fits very well for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup
of projects and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].

Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our
largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that
OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as
an official event for the July-September period.

Best

Venka

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016


On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

Dear All,

this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board

directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.



Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any

specific plan.

Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as i

believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and

was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.



With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different

communities:



- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This

will give an idea of the number of expected requests.



- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually

what is your choice motivation?





Thank you,



Maxi










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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Venkatesh Raghavan]

Dear All,

Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.

I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four
periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
conference.

OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016), fits 
very well

for the  first quarter of 2016. I see a great lineup of projects
and participants for the Paris Code Sprint [1].

Code sprints are an integral part of FOSS4G Conferences which is our
largest gathering of users and developers. It will be appropriate that
OSGeo Foundation supports Code Sprints at FOSS4G conferences as
an official event for the July-September period.

Best

Venka

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Paris_Code_Sprint_2016


On 2016/02/20 18:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

Dear All,
this is to acknowledge that there is a topic on discussion within the board
directors on assigning funds to sprint code requests.

Up to now a request-voting-fund approach has been followed without any
specific plan.
Since the board f2f meeting (thank you community for supporting that as i
believe it was an enormous opportunity for OSGeo to speed up advances and
was so fruitful) a budget has been draft and resources has been allocated.

With this mail I would personally like to ask a few questions the different
communities:

- who is intended to present a fund request for sprint code in 2016. This
will give an idea of the number of expected requests.

- do you have preferences on criteria for assign resources and eventually
what is your choice motivation?


Thank you,

Maxi





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