Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Hi Suchith,

Thanks for following up on this issue.
I propose we organize a joint OSGeo-Live, SAC meeting on IRC.
How about:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2015=11=13=21=0=0=26=179=240=137=37

Best,
Angelos

On 11/10/2015 01:20 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:

Hi Angelos,

May i suggest that you goahead and explore the option 1 that you suggested. As 
you are knowledgeable and have the expertise on this, please lead this  and 
contact SAC to explore ideas/options to move these ideas forward.

Thank you again for coming forward and volunteering your time and efforts for 
this. I believe this will be a big benefit for our education efforts and also 
the wider community in the future. Esp .for universities and education globally 
, there is definitely help in  easily organising the practical/tutorial 
sessions  . This will also help in our aim to get more universities start 
teaching using OSGeo software. Also it will be useful  for those running OSGeo 
workshops/training at events (not just FOSS4G events)  etc can make use of this 
service.

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Suchith Anand [suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:41 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith


From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's "next 
steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think is 
the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far and 
reply to the public lists.Thanks.

Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
service, I suggest we consider:

1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is a 
sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
OSGeo-Live release.

2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and will 
set up a Proof-of-Concept.

3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use model? 
Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking workshop 
providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base funding to prove a 
Proof of Concept (by paying for a cloud service for 1 year or so), but ask 
workshop providers and other users to pay for the service in moving forward.
This is something that can be decided once costs are understood.

4. But the bottom line is that the best chance of success will occur if someone 
stands up and champions its development.  Do we have someone interested to do 
the hard work of making it happen? (Speak up if interested). It certainly would 
be a valuable contribution to the OSGeo community.


Warm regards, Cameron


On 14/10/2015 7:59 pm, Peter Baumann 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Suchith Anand]

Hi Angelos,

Thanks for this. We will meet in IRC at the time you suggested to discuss with 
all interested from OSGeo-Live and SAC. Talk details then.

Best wishes,

Suchith

From: Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:28 PM
To: Suchith Anand; OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Hi Suchith,

Thanks for following up on this issue.
I propose we organize a joint OSGeo-Live, SAC meeting on IRC.
How about:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2015=11=13=21=0=0=26=179=240=137=37

Best,
Angelos

On 11/10/2015 01:20 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
> Hi Angelos,
>
> May i suggest that you goahead and explore the option 1 that you suggested. 
> As you are knowledgeable and have the expertise on this, please lead this  
> and contact SAC to explore ideas/options to move these ideas forward.
>
> Thank you again for coming forward and volunteering your time and efforts for 
> this. I believe this will be a big benefit for our education efforts and also 
> the wider community in the future. Esp .for universities and education 
> globally , there is definitely help in  easily organising the 
> practical/tutorial sessions  . This will also help in our aim to get more 
> universities start teaching using OSGeo software. Also it will be useful  for 
> those running OSGeo workshops/training at events (not just FOSS4G events)  
> etc can make use of this service.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
>
> 
> From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
> Suchith Anand [suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk]
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:41 PM
> To: OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that 
> runs the OSGeo-Live VM
>
> Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to 
> these discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider 
> community and users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  
> how they would use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.
>
> That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
> community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
> OSGeo-Live release.
>
> All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
> OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
> education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let 
> us all know. Thanks.
>
> Suchith
>
> 
> From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
> Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
> To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that 
> runs the OSGeo-Live VM
>
> I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:
>
> 1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
> http://www.synnefo.org/
> So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and 
> have a Free Software solution.
> Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
> https://www.openstack.org/software/
> We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.
>
> 2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
> https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/
>
> Any other options in mind?
>
> Best,
> Angelos
>
>
> On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's 
> "next steps" question:
>
> On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
> Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think 
> is the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far 
> and reply to the public lists.Thanks.
>
> Suchith
> If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
> service, I suggest we consider:
>
> 1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
> I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
> use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is 
> a sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with 
> each OSGeo-Live release.
>
> 2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
> Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and 
> will set up a Proof-of-Concept.
>
> 3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use 
> model? Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking 
> workshop providers to pay for the service?
> 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Forgot to mention meeting place: #osgeo channel on Freenode.

On 11/11/2015 10:02 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:

Hi Angelos,

Thanks for this. We will meet in IRC at the time you suggested to discuss with 
all interested from OSGeo-Live and SAC. Talk details then.

Best wishes,

Suchith

From: Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:28 PM
To: Suchith Anand; OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Hi Suchith,

Thanks for following up on this issue.
I propose we organize a joint OSGeo-Live, SAC meeting on IRC.
How about:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2015=11=13=21=0=0=26=179=240=137=37

Best,
Angelos

On 11/10/2015 01:20 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:

Hi Angelos,

May i suggest that you goahead and explore the option 1 that you suggested. As 
you are knowledgeable and have the expertise on this, please lead this  and 
contact SAC to explore ideas/options to move these ideas forward.

Thank you again for coming forward and volunteering your time and efforts for 
this. I believe this will be a big benefit for our education efforts and also 
the wider community in the future. Esp .for universities and education globally 
, there is definitely help in  easily organising the practical/tutorial 
sessions  . This will also help in our aim to get more universities start 
teaching using OSGeo software. Also it will be useful  for those running OSGeo 
workshops/training at events (not just FOSS4G events)  etc can make use of this 
service.

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Suchith Anand [suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:41 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith


From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's "next 
steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think is 
the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far and 
reply to the public lists.Thanks.

Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
service, I suggest we consider:

1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is a 
sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
OSGeo-Live release.

2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and will 
set up a Proof-of-Concept.

3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use model? 
Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking workshop 
providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Suchith Anand]

btw on a rough estimate i would think there are atleast over 50 hands on 
workshops each year in various FOSS4G conferences (global, regional, local) 
plus 100s of  geoeducation workshops/ training events globally happening in 
various universities/training etc which will find this useful. So it will be of 
the benefit  for the whole OSGeo community. But it will need some dedicated 
volunteers to invest their time and efforts to make this happen.

Suchith



From: Discuss [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Suchith Anand 
[suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:20 AM
To: gcpp.kal...@gmail.com; OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; 
ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud 
service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

Hi Angelos,

May i suggest that you goahead and explore the option 1 that you suggested. As 
you are knowledgeable and have the expertise on this, please lead this  and 
contact SAC to explore ideas/options to move these ideas forward.

Thank you again for coming forward and volunteering your time and efforts for 
this. I believe this will be a big benefit for our education efforts and also 
the wider community in the future. Esp .for universities and education globally 
, there is definitely help in  easily organising the practical/tutorial 
sessions  . This will also help in our aim to get more universities start 
teaching using OSGeo software. Also it will be useful  for those running OSGeo 
workshops/training at events (not just FOSS4G events)  etc can make use of this 
service.

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Suchith Anand [suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:41 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith


From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's 
"next steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think is 
the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far and 
reply to the public lists.Thanks.

Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
service, I suggest we consider:

1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is a 
sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
OSGeo-Live release.

2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and will 
set up a Proof-of-Concept.

3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use model? 
Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking workshop 
providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base funding to prove a 
Proof of 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Suchith Anand]

Hi Angelos,

May i suggest that you goahead and explore the option 1 that you suggested. As 
you are knowledgeable and have the expertise on this, please lead this  and 
contact SAC to explore ideas/options to move these ideas forward.

Thank you again for coming forward and volunteering your time and efforts for 
this. I believe this will be a big benefit for our education efforts and also 
the wider community in the future. Esp .for universities and education globally 
, there is definitely help in  easily organising the practical/tutorial 
sessions  . This will also help in our aim to get more universities start 
teaching using OSGeo software. Also it will be useful  for those running OSGeo 
workshops/training at events (not just FOSS4G events)  etc can make use of this 
service.

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Suchith Anand [suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:41 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith


From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's 
"next steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think is 
the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far and 
reply to the public lists.Thanks.

Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
service, I suggest we consider:

1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is a 
sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
OSGeo-Live release.

2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and will 
set up a Proof-of-Concept.

3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use model? 
Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking workshop 
providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base funding to prove a 
Proof of Concept (by paying for a cloud service for 1 year or so), but ask 
workshop providers and other users to pay for the service in moving forward.
This is something that can be decided once costs are understood.

4. But the bottom line is that the best chance of success will occur if someone 
stands up and champions its development.  Do we have someone interested to do 
the hard work of making it happen? (Speak up if interested). It certainly would 
be a valuable contribution to the OSGeo community.


Warm regards, Cameron


On 14/10/2015 7:59 pm, Peter Baumann wrote:
>  1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the 
> OSGeo-Live VM
not necessarily a cloud, as the whole OSGeo Live is not prepared.
But definitely hosting it on a VM (for easy cloning + move) is an asset - any
demo just needs to show a URL then.


>
>  2.What 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Suchith Anand]

Hi Toni,

For universities and education globally , there is definitely big need/demand 
for OSGeo-Live cloud service for easily organising the practical/tutorial 
sessions  . This is only going to increase rapidly as more universities start 
teaching using OSGeo software. Also for those running MOOC programs in 
Geospatial Science, this will be great benefit (esp. for scalability).  Also it 
will be useful  for those running OSGeo workshops/training at events (not just 
FOSS4G events)  etc can make use of this service.

>From Angelos and Peter's mail , there are some good developments and interest 
>that we can follow up. But i would think there might be many others who will 
>be also interested to join efforts. So it is good time to anyone interested to 
>come forward and contribute to joint efforts.

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: Antoni Pérez Navarro [aper...@uoc.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 9:06 AM
To: live-d...@lists.osgeo.org; discuss@lists.osgeo.org; 
suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Sorry for being so late to the discussion.

Since we are a distance university, for us is very important a cloud service. 
Although OsGeoLive can be downloaded by students, sometimes we preferred to 
prepare the machine by ourselves in order all the students have exactly the 
same.
We tested virtual machines distributed, but they were too heavy for some 
students (we have students in very remote zones). Then we created an Amazon 
virtual machine with some applications of OsGEO Live, but it was worse, since 
it was too slow.

Unfortunately, now our postgraduate is closed and will not be able to test 
these new tools with students.

Toni


Antoni Pérez Navarro
Estudis d'Informàtica, Multimèdia i Telecomunicació
Universitat Oberta de Catalunya

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--- Missatge original de Suchith Anand  per a 
live-demo ,"ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org" 
,OSGeo Discussions  
enviat el 18.10.2015 15:41

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith

From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's 
"next steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Suchith Anand]

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith


From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's 
"next steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think is 
the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far and 
reply to the public lists.Thanks.

Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
service, I suggest we consider:

1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is a 
sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
OSGeo-Live release.

2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and will 
set up a Proof-of-Concept.

3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use model? 
Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking workshop 
providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base funding to prove a 
Proof of Concept (by paying for a cloud service for 1 year or so), but ask 
workshop providers and other users to pay for the service in moving forward.
This is something that can be decided once costs are understood.

4. But the bottom line is that the best chance of success will occur if someone 
stands up and champions its development.  Do we have someone interested to do 
the hard work of making it happen? (Speak up if interested). It certainly would 
be a valuable contribution to the OSGeo community.


Warm regards, Cameron


On 14/10/2015 7:59 pm, Peter Baumann wrote:
>  1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the 
> OSGeo-Live VM
not necessarily a cloud, as the whole OSGeo Live is not prepared.
But definitely hosting it on a VM (for easy cloning + move) is an asset - any
demo just needs to show a URL then.


>
>  2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible
find a caretaker with a machine.
Jacobs University can do that, for example, in tight collaboration with Angelos
on technical level.

-Peter



On 15/10/2015 2:53 am, Giuseppe Amatulli wrote:
Hi,
under the http://www.spatial-ecology.net/ initiative we  use the the 
OSGeo-Llive for courses and intensive training in Geo Computation.

In this line we have been used also Amazon Web Service to teach remote 
connection and scripting routines in the cloud. For this I was customize a 
Ubuntu Instance very similar to the  OSGeo-Llive.

Nonetheless, would be grate  to have the OSGeo-Llive directly hosted in AWS to 
allow teach but also to provide to the course participants  something that they 
can use after the course.

The AWS Educate 

 provide grants for education so maybe an official cooperation OSGeo can be 
a solution to host for free a OSGeo-Llive Instance

Best Regards
Giuseppe

On 10/13/2015 05:57 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>
>Myself, Maria and Peter are now at ESA event and had a chance to catch up on