RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration
For some of us who work in state (US) government, approval for out of country travel can be essentially impossible. Even if the location is only about 60 miles out of the country... I would like to see annual gatherings that I could actually attend, assuming that they didn't draw too many people away from the annual FOSS4G event. David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Landon Blake Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:43 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration Dave wrote: "If people are saying they can't attend [insert name of OSGeo event here], then it would be useful to state why they can't attend. There is a difference between "travel/accommodation cost is 'too high'" and "my workplace has to authorize the travel, and they do not send people to events outside the continent, regardless of the costs". I suppose my situation is somewhat unique. I only work on open source GIS as a hobby, and it isn't really something my day job will support financially. So in my case only events that are hosted locally or regionally are possible. I'm likely the exception to the rule, and not the rule. Landon Personal website: Maps, GPS, etc. http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration
On 8/26/08, Landon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave wrote: "If people are saying they can't attend [insert name of > > OSGeo event here], then it would be useful to state why they can't > attend. There is a difference between "travel/accommodation cost is 'too > high'" > and "my workplace has to authorize the travel, and they do not send > people to events outside the continent, regardless of the costs". > > > I suppose my situation is somewhat unique. I only work on open source > GIS as a hobby, and it isn't really something my day job will support > financially. So in my case only events that are hosted locally or > regionally are possible. > > I'm likely the exception to the rule, and not the rule. Add me to your exceptions list... I use both open source (mostly) and proprietary (sometimes) software for both hobby and to make a living. Yet, I don't make enough of a living to afford to go anywhere further than a medium-range drive/fly (aka local to regional). Which is why the last MapServer conference (it was still called MUM in those days) I attended was Ottawa, and will continue to be the last until it comes back to Minnesota or some such place close to home. The conference also seems to have grown and become very big... possibly a logical Darwinian evolution, with every edition being bigger than the previous. The very first MUM1 at Minnesota had a registration fee of about $100 (somewhere in the ballpark). The registration fee for the current conference is upward of $500 (ZAR 3900 at the current exchange rate as provided by Google), which is getting into the most commercial conference fee range. If such were the user fee even at Minnesota, heck, even in my hometown of Madison, WI, I would be hard-pressed to find justification or sponsors for it. Perhaps it is time for an YAMC (on the lines of YAPC)... > > > Landon > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Patton > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:41 AM > To: OSGeo Discussions > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration > > > On 2008/08/25 9:18 AM, Landon Blake wrote: > > There is no way I can go to FOSS4G in a foreign country, but I could > > likely get to a North American meeting on the West Coast. I'm sure > > others are in the same boat. > > Well, North America's "West Coast" includes the > 'foreign countries' of Canada and Mexico, if you > live in the USA. > > If people are saying they can't attend [insert name > of OSGeo event here], then it would be useful to > state why they can't attend. There is a difference > between "travel/accommodation cost is 'too high'" > and "my workplace has to authorize the travel, and > they do not send people to events outside the > continent, regardless of the costs". > > -- > Dave Patton > CIS Canadian Information Systems > Victoria, B.C. > > Degree Confluence Project: > Canadian Coordinator > Technical Coordinator > http://www.confluence.org/ > > OSGeo FOSS4G2007 conference: > Workshop Committee Chair > Conference Committee member > http://www.foss4g2007.org/ > > Personal website: > Maps, GPS, etc. > http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/ > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > Warning: > Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects > including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. > ___ > > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Puneet Kishor http://punkish.eidesis.org/ Nelson Institute for Environmental Studies http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/ Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) http://www.osgeo.org/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration
Dave wrote: "If people are saying they can't attend [insert name of OSGeo event here], then it would be useful to state why they can't attend. There is a difference between "travel/accommodation cost is 'too high'" and "my workplace has to authorize the travel, and they do not send people to events outside the continent, regardless of the costs". I suppose my situation is somewhat unique. I only work on open source GIS as a hobby, and it isn't really something my day job will support financially. So in my case only events that are hosted locally or regionally are possible. I'm likely the exception to the rule, and not the rule. Landon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Patton Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:41 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration On 2008/08/25 9:18 AM, Landon Blake wrote: > There is no way I can go to FOSS4G in a foreign country, but I could > likely get to a North American meeting on the West Coast. I'm sure > others are in the same boat. Well, North America's "West Coast" includes the 'foreign countries' of Canada and Mexico, if you live in the USA. If people are saying they can't attend [insert name of OSGeo event here], then it would be useful to state why they can't attend. There is a difference between "travel/accommodation cost is 'too high'" and "my workplace has to authorize the travel, and they do not send people to events outside the continent, regardless of the costs". -- Dave Patton CIS Canadian Information Systems Victoria, B.C. Degree Confluence Project: Canadian Coordinator Technical Coordinator http://www.confluence.org/ OSGeo FOSS4G2007 conference: Workshop Committee Chair Conference Committee member http://www.foss4g2007.org/ Personal website: Maps, GPS, etc. http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration
My two cents: I feel very confortable in the Spanish OSGeo chapter, even if we are in the incubation process. I will say that I will feel better in any chapter based on a common language than in any other based in political or administrative constraints More, I don't like very much the term "local" when applied to the current Spanish OSGeo chapter because we aspire to be global (Spanish is spoken by people all around the world, like French, Chinese or Bulgarian). I can't speak on behalf of the Spanish chapter but I would like it to be as helpful as this (English speaking) forum is to me and actually I can assure that the Spanish Chapter is great. I will be more prone to check out, or even to affiliate to, the chapter IN French than the Quebec, Outremer ou Parisien chapter, but sure I will check them out. +1 for language diversity in the OSGeo community +1 for the chapter in Spanish +1 for the chapter in French +1 for any other chapter, local or global +2 for the Bay Area local chapter > On 24-Aug-08, at 9:22 AM, Yves Jacolin wrote: > > > What does the other LC think about this? Specially Spanih LC which > > is as the > > Francophone LC, mainly based on common langage. > > I think your ideas are good. The only hypothetical trouble I could > think of would be if there are not sufficient number of people to > warrant a chapter in a certain country, then how do they join? But I > don't think this is barrier, since the "network" could help encourage > the smaller group to get started. > > Tyler > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration
On 24-Aug-08, at 9:22 AM, Yves Jacolin wrote: What does the other LC think about this? Specially Spanih LC which is as the Francophone LC, mainly based on common langage. I think your ideas are good. The only hypothetical trouble I could think of would be if there are not sufficient number of people to warrant a chapter in a certain country, then how do they join? But I don't think this is barrier, since the "network" could help encourage the smaller group to get started. Tyler ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration
On 2008/08/25 9:18 AM, Landon Blake wrote: There is no way I can go to FOSS4G in a foreign country, but I could likely get to a North American meeting on the West Coast. I'm sure others are in the same boat. Well, North America's "West Coast" includes the 'foreign countries' of Canada and Mexico, if you live in the USA. If people are saying they can't attend [insert name of OSGeo event here], then it would be useful to state why they can't attend. There is a difference between "travel/accommodation cost is 'too high'" and "my workplace has to authorize the travel, and they do not send people to events outside the continent, regardless of the costs". -- Dave Patton CIS Canadian Information Systems Victoria, B.C. Degree Confluence Project: Canadian Coordinator Technical Coordinator http://www.confluence.org/ OSGeo FOSS4G2007 conference: Workshop Committee Chair Conference Committee member http://www.foss4g2007.org/ Personal website: Maps, GPS, etc. http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration
There is no way I can go to FOSS4G in a foreign country, but I could likely get to a North American meeting on the West Coast. I'm sure others are in the same boat. So from my perspective, this is a good idea. Landon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Morissette Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:58 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration Yves, The concept of "Network" is very interesting and addresses a need that is met by several local chapters. In the specific case of the Quebec and France chapters, a Francophone network would allows us to coordinate our efforts on French documentation and other French language issues. Here in North America we start to feel the need for a North American meeting to allow people who cannot travel overseas to still meet their peers at least yearly (the goal is not to compete with the international event, but to complement it). A North American network could be added to your schema that would include the Quebec, BC, Ottawa, Twin Cities and New Mexico local chapters (did I forget any?), and one of its goals would be the coordination of a yearly North-American meeting. I presume other continents might end up doing the same. Daniel Yves Jacolin wrote: > Hi, > > **History** > OSGeo-fr has been formely created in september as the Francophone Local > Chapter following 1 year discussing details for structuring ourselves. In > june, Daniel Morissette, Thierry Badard and Nicolas Gignac proposed to people > form Quebec to meet each other to think about how Quebec could act inside > this Francophone Local Chapter. This meeting began the process for creating > Quebec Local Chapter. I won't details more but one of the purposes of this > Local Chapter could be to be a kind of local contact for Francophone LC. > > The creation of the OSGeo-qc is mainly due to the spatial distance and the > difference between qc and fr (most people acting in OSGeo-fr come from > France) about the way FOSS are used. Each area having their own issue and > progress. Daniel, Thierry or Nicolas will correct and clarify this facts. > > Following the creation meeting of OSGeo-qc I spent some time to think about > why this occurs and how change or more specificly how structure OSGeo-fr and > OSGeo-qc, how do we work together, etc. > > ** Propositions** > I suggest to not use LC to join people with common langage. As there are some > importante difference between countries: what they need to do, how they can > do it, etc. Furthermore, following the well knonw sentence : Think global, > act local, it is important that one people (or more) act localy, this is not > easy within OSGeo-fr. The best way (IMHO) is to create one LC for each > country and join this LC into network. So we will create Francophone Network > (containing OSGo-fr, OSGeo-qc, etc.), Europeen Network (containing OSGeo-fr, > OSGeo-it, OSGeo-de, OSGeo-uk, sp, etc.). > > Each network allowing each LC to share informations and contact, think global > and act local, even if act global could be possible, I think mainly for > europeen network. > > **Conclusion** > You will find here [1] the schema_osgeo.pdf file illustrating what could be > the structure of OSGeo. I added some information on the right about url > website. I suggest to use Name Space for each three group in order to better > structure the wiki and allowing searching for only one (or more) of this > groups. > > What does the other LC think about this? Specially Spanih LC which is as the > Francophone LC, mainly based on common langage. > > Best regards, > > Y. > [1] http://osgeo2.gloobe.org/board/ -- Daniel Morissette http://www.mapgears.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration
Yves, The concept of "Network" is very interesting and addresses a need that is met by several local chapters. In the specific case of the Quebec and France chapters, a Francophone network would allows us to coordinate our efforts on French documentation and other French language issues. Here in North America we start to feel the need for a North American meeting to allow people who cannot travel overseas to still meet their peers at least yearly (the goal is not to compete with the international event, but to complement it). A North American network could be added to your schema that would include the Quebec, BC, Ottawa, Twin Cities and New Mexico local chapters (did I forget any?), and one of its goals would be the coordination of a yearly North-American meeting. I presume other continents might end up doing the same. Daniel Yves Jacolin wrote: Hi, **History** OSGeo-fr has been formely created in september as the Francophone Local Chapter following 1 year discussing details for structuring ourselves. In june, Daniel Morissette, Thierry Badard and Nicolas Gignac proposed to people form Quebec to meet each other to think about how Quebec could act inside this Francophone Local Chapter. This meeting began the process for creating Quebec Local Chapter. I won't details more but one of the purposes of this Local Chapter could be to be a kind of local contact for Francophone LC. The creation of the OSGeo-qc is mainly due to the spatial distance and the difference between qc and fr (most people acting in OSGeo-fr come from France) about the way FOSS are used. Each area having their own issue and progress. Daniel, Thierry or Nicolas will correct and clarify this facts. Following the creation meeting of OSGeo-qc I spent some time to think about why this occurs and how change or more specificly how structure OSGeo-fr and OSGeo-qc, how do we work together, etc. ** Propositions** I suggest to not use LC to join people with common langage. As there are some importante difference between countries: what they need to do, how they can do it, etc. Furthermore, following the well knonw sentence : Think global, act local, it is important that one people (or more) act localy, this is not easy within OSGeo-fr. The best way (IMHO) is to create one LC for each country and join this LC into network. So we will create Francophone Network (containing OSGo-fr, OSGeo-qc, etc.), Europeen Network (containing OSGeo-fr, OSGeo-it, OSGeo-de, OSGeo-uk, sp, etc.). Each network allowing each LC to share informations and contact, think global and act local, even if act global could be possible, I think mainly for europeen network. **Conclusion** You will find here [1] the schema_osgeo.pdf file illustrating what could be the structure of OSGeo. I added some information on the right about url website. I suggest to use Name Space for each three group in order to better structure the wiki and allowing searching for only one (or more) of this groups. What does the other LC think about this? Specially Spanih LC which is as the Francophone LC, mainly based on common langage. Best regards, Y. [1] http://osgeo2.gloobe.org/board/ -- Daniel Morissette http://www.mapgears.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter, network and structuration
Hi, **History** OSGeo-fr has been formely created in september as the Francophone Local Chapter following 1 year discussing details for structuring ourselves. In june, Daniel Morissette, Thierry Badard and Nicolas Gignac proposed to people form Quebec to meet each other to think about how Quebec could act inside this Francophone Local Chapter. This meeting began the process for creating Quebec Local Chapter. I won't details more but one of the purposes of this Local Chapter could be to be a kind of local contact for Francophone LC. The creation of the OSGeo-qc is mainly due to the spatial distance and the difference between qc and fr (most people acting in OSGeo-fr come from France) about the way FOSS are used. Each area having their own issue and progress. Daniel, Thierry or Nicolas will correct and clarify this facts. Following the creation meeting of OSGeo-qc I spent some time to think about why this occurs and how change or more specificly how structure OSGeo-fr and OSGeo-qc, how do we work together, etc. ** Propositions** I suggest to not use LC to join people with common langage. As there are some importante difference between countries: what they need to do, how they can do it, etc. Furthermore, following the well knonw sentence : Think global, act local, it is important that one people (or more) act localy, this is not easy within OSGeo-fr. The best way (IMHO) is to create one LC for each country and join this LC into network. So we will create Francophone Network (containing OSGo-fr, OSGeo-qc, etc.), Europeen Network (containing OSGeo-fr, OSGeo-it, OSGeo-de, OSGeo-uk, sp, etc.). Each network allowing each LC to share informations and contact, think global and act local, even if act global could be possible, I think mainly for europeen network. **Conclusion** You will find here [1] the schema_osgeo.pdf file illustrating what could be the structure of OSGeo. I added some information on the right about url website. I suggest to use Name Space for each three group in order to better structure the wiki and allowing searching for only one (or more) of this groups. What does the other LC think about this? Specially Spanih LC which is as the Francophone LC, mainly based on common langage. Best regards, Y. [1] http://osgeo2.gloobe.org/board/ -- Yves Jacolin - "Donner la liberté aux individus ne suffit pas, il faut aussi leur donner du pouvoir, de la puissance d'agir." M Gauchet "Give freedom to people is not enough, we also have to give them the power to use this freedom, to act". M Gauchet - http://yjacolin.gloobe.org http://softlibre.gloobe.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
