Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open "StreamMap"?
Hi Charlie, Your idea of user generated content on streams and biodiversity is I guess a bit similar to the ideas behind "artsdatabank" service In Norway http://artskart.artsdatabanken.no/FaneKart.aspx . I think the best thing to do is to sctrucure your idea and needs into use case scenarios, which should give an overview on required data, software components and UI, finally giving an UML model of the desired system. \ So first thing to thin about is: who, how and for what purpose shall use the Open Stream Map? Use your imagination (-: If you wish I can send you some examples of use cases targeting data and services. Best regards: Raf DR. Rafal Wawer The Department of Soil Science Erosion Control and Land Protection The Institute of Soil Science and Plant Cultivation - State Research institute ul. Czartoryskich 8 24-100 Puławy Poland mobile: +48601516434 web: www.erozja.iung.pulawy.pl On Sun, 29 May 2011 08:11:47 -0400, Charles Schweik wrote > Hi all, > > Thanks for all the comments on the "Open Stream Map" idea. The > driving force behind my question was that I just came back from a > workshop on citizen science and had seen a variety of successful > efforts... for example the ebird project at Cornell University. > Given the issues surrounding water in the future, I found myself > wondering about the use of an open street map model but for water inventory. > > That's about as far as I am on this -- it was just an idea I thought > might be worthwhile floating to the OSGeo group. Not sure where it > goes from here... if anyone wants to move it along further -- go for > it! > > Thanks for the responses... > > Charlie Schweik > > Quoting andrea giacomelli : > > > Dear Charlie, > > > > The idea is interesting, but I concur with Robert that -in order to provide > > some more educated feedback, it would be also interesting to know a little > > more about your initial "driver". > > > > I have worked in the past in surface hydrology and water resources > > management, and more recently I have been heavily involved in awareness > > raising on "thematic crowdsourcing", so I could think of a couple of ways to > > start this... > > > > However, I think it would be important to understand a little more the > > invasive "plant species effort" part of your idea in order to elaborate on > > your request. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > - > > Andrea Giacomelli > > http://www.pibinko.org > > i...@pibinko.org > > +39 347 15 33 857 > > > > 2011/5/28 Charlie Schweik > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I find myself wondering if there is a possibility of starting an "open > >> stream map" project in a similar way to open street map? With the idea that > >> this might be connected to an invasive plant species effort too... > >> > >> It is an interesting idea -- roads are relatively stable. Streams have > >> additional attributes, like water levels. > >> > >> Any reactions or ideas on how this might be started? > >> > >> Cheers > >> Charlie Schweik > >> > >> ___ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> > > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- GeoStudio Poland Interoperable spatial solutions Lessla 4/9 Pulawy, Poland www.geostudio.pl +32486840193 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open "StreamMap"?
Hi all, Thanks for all the comments on the "Open Stream Map" idea. The driving force behind my question was that I just came back from a workshop on citizen science and had seen a variety of successful efforts... for example the ebird project at Cornell University. Given the issues surrounding water in the future, I found myself wondering about the use of an open street map model but for water inventory. That's about as far as I am on this -- it was just an idea I thought might be worthwhile floating to the OSGeo group. Not sure where it goes from here... if anyone wants to move it along further -- go for it! Thanks for the responses... Charlie Schweik Quoting andrea giacomelli : Dear Charlie, The idea is interesting, but I concur with Robert that -in order to provide some more educated feedback, it would be also interesting to know a little more about your initial "driver". I have worked in the past in surface hydrology and water resources management, and more recently I have been heavily involved in awareness raising on "thematic crowdsourcing", so I could think of a couple of ways to start this... However, I think it would be important to understand a little more the invasive "plant species effort" part of your idea in order to elaborate on your request. Thanks! - Andrea Giacomelli http://www.pibinko.org i...@pibinko.org +39 347 15 33 857 2011/5/28 Charlie Schweik Hi, I find myself wondering if there is a possibility of starting an "open stream map" project in a similar way to open street map? With the idea that this might be connected to an invasive plant species effort too... It is an interesting idea -- roads are relatively stable. Streams have additional attributes, like water levels. Any reactions or ideas on how this might be started? Cheers Charlie Schweik ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open "StreamMap"?
Dear Charlie, The idea is interesting, but I concur with Robert that -in order to provide some more educated feedback, it would be also interesting to know a little more about your initial "driver". I have worked in the past in surface hydrology and water resources management, and more recently I have been heavily involved in awareness raising on "thematic crowdsourcing", so I could think of a couple of ways to start this... However, I think it would be important to understand a little more the invasive "plant species effort" part of your idea in order to elaborate on your request. Thanks! - Andrea Giacomelli http://www.pibinko.org i...@pibinko.org +39 347 15 33 857 2011/5/28 Charlie Schweik > Hi, > > I find myself wondering if there is a possibility of starting an "open > stream map" project in a similar way to open street map? With the idea that > this might be connected to an invasive plant species effort too... > > It is an interesting idea -- roads are relatively stable. Streams have > additional attributes, like water levels. > > Any reactions or ideas on how this might be started? > > Cheers > Charlie Schweik > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open "StreamMap"?
The USGS has a KML map of their stream gauges and water quality sensors in the US. Here's a good starting point: http://water.usgs.gov/wateralert/ Getting an embeddable realtime view can be more difficult - I have a regional example here http://www.ce.cmu.edu/~wquest/Dunkard%20Images/SensorMap.html Having worked on a water data research project, there are several standards and data models being discussed and used by researchers. The USGS has shapefiles and IDs of water catchment areas for each major stream - that'll save you a great deal of trouble with DEM terrain data. You don't tend to see these files or stream data online, because the science is mostly done with desktop GIS and rarely publicized. I believe that the NSF, EPA, and local governments were backing http://his.cuahsi.org/ and http://water.epa.gov/scitech/datait/models/basins/index.cfm for sharing information on streams. It would be good to have tie-ins to these successful programs. -- Nick Doiron On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Robert Szczepanek wrote: > Hi Charlie, > > I like your idea, but there are many issues to discuss. > > 1. What is the goal? > Depending on users interest (hydrologists, biologists, ..), "average" > stream can be represented as line or polygon. > Set of attributes depends on user needs. Even simple water level changes in > time. Without some standarisation (mean yearly level?) this will be mixture > of everything. And such attributes are not easy to get. > > Geometry based on recent ortophotomaps with basic set of attributes (stream > name(s); some "average" discharge and velocity?) could be start point. > > 2. Relation to OSM. > It can be seen as subset or extension of OSM. And probably those two sets > will be used together. Close cooperation with/within OSM? > > 3. Additional data > What about water level gauge stations? > > Anyway - great idea! > > regards, > Robert > > W dniu 28.05.2011 03:51, Charlie Schweik pisze: > >> Hi, >> >> I find myself wondering if there is a possibility of starting an "open >> stream map" project in a similar way to open street map? With the idea >> that this might be connected to an invasive plant species effort too... >> >> It is an interesting idea -- roads are relatively stable. Streams have >> additional attributes, like water levels. >> >> Any reactions or ideas on how this might be started? >> >> Cheers >> Charlie Schweik >> >> >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open "StreamMap"?
Hi Charlie, I like your idea, but there are many issues to discuss. 1. What is the goal? Depending on users interest (hydrologists, biologists, ..), "average" stream can be represented as line or polygon. Set of attributes depends on user needs. Even simple water level changes in time. Without some standarisation (mean yearly level?) this will be mixture of everything. And such attributes are not easy to get. Geometry based on recent ortophotomaps with basic set of attributes (stream name(s); some "average" discharge and velocity?) could be start point. 2. Relation to OSM. It can be seen as subset or extension of OSM. And probably those two sets will be used together. Close cooperation with/within OSM? 3. Additional data What about water level gauge stations? Anyway - great idea! regards, Robert W dniu 28.05.2011 03:51, Charlie Schweik pisze: Hi, I find myself wondering if there is a possibility of starting an "open stream map" project in a similar way to open street map? With the idea that this might be connected to an invasive plant species effort too... It is an interesting idea -- roads are relatively stable. Streams have additional attributes, like water levels. Any reactions or ideas on how this might be started? Cheers Charlie Schweik ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open "StreamMap"?
Maybe, information related to temperature, discharge etc. Could be handled by SOS... so maybe you're looking for an open SOS linked with a open WFS of rivers? Maxi Il giorno 28/mag/2011 08:02, "Ari Jolma" ha scritto: > Charlie, > > There are existing global databases of surface water boundaries, water > quality, DEMs, etc. In some cases more than one. Those could be one > starting point - license permitting. The other would of course be OSM > itself, which already contains surface water features. Adding a > possibility for all to add data like temperature, water level, water > quality etc. would be interesting. I've seen such attempts, as far as I > remember they have used Google maps or Bing maps. In fact, Microsoft may > have been more active in this particular area. > > Ari > > On 05/28/2011 04:51 AM, Charlie Schweik wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I find myself wondering if there is a possibility of starting an "open >> stream map" project in a similar way to open street map? With the idea >> that this might be connected to an invasive plant species effort too... >> >> It is an interesting idea -- roads are relatively stable. Streams have >> additional attributes, like water levels. >> >> Any reactions or ideas on how this might be started? >> >> Cheers >> Charlie Schweik >> >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open "StreamMap"?
Charlie, There are existing global databases of surface water boundaries, water quality, DEMs, etc. In some cases more than one. Those could be one starting point - license permitting. The other would of course be OSM itself, which already contains surface water features. Adding a possibility for all to add data like temperature, water level, water quality etc. would be interesting. I've seen such attempts, as far as I remember they have used Google maps or Bing maps. In fact, Microsoft may have been more active in this particular area. Ari On 05/28/2011 04:51 AM, Charlie Schweik wrote: Hi, I find myself wondering if there is a possibility of starting an "open stream map" project in a similar way to open street map? With the idea that this might be connected to an invasive plant species effort too... It is an interesting idea -- roads are relatively stable. Streams have additional attributes, like water levels. Any reactions or ideas on how this might be started? Cheers Charlie Schweik ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open "StreamMap"?
Hi, The CommonMap.org API will be able to handle data-extracts, so then independent maps can be remixed into new works. Especially for data like 'groundwater', it'll probably be added to CommonMap, but might not get to OpenStreetMap. Cheers, Sam On 5/27/11, Stephen Woodbridge wrote: > On 5/27/2011 9:51 PM, Charlie Schweik wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I find myself wondering if there is a possibility of starting an "open >> stream map" project in a similar way to open street map? With the idea >> that this might be connected to an invasive plant species effort too... >> >> It is an interesting idea -- roads are relatively stable. Streams have >> additional attributes, like water levels. >> >> Any reactions or ideas on how this might be started? > > You might start with DEMs and analyze them for V like paths that > represent drainage in the terrain. This would give you a starting place. > Then I suppose you could recruit people that like to hike to collect GPS > tracks along rivers, streams, ponds and lakes and enter that into a OSM > server designed to work with hydrology models. > > -Steve W > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open "StreamMap"?
On 5/27/2011 9:51 PM, Charlie Schweik wrote: Hi, I find myself wondering if there is a possibility of starting an "open stream map" project in a similar way to open street map? With the idea that this might be connected to an invasive plant species effort too... It is an interesting idea -- roads are relatively stable. Streams have additional attributes, like water levels. Any reactions or ideas on how this might be started? You might start with DEMs and analyze them for V like paths that represent drainage in the terrain. This would give you a starting place. Then I suppose you could recruit people that like to hike to collect GPS tracks along rivers, streams, ponds and lakes and enter that into a OSM server designed to work with hydrology models. -Steve W ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Open "StreamMap"?
Hi, I find myself wondering if there is a possibility of starting an "open stream map" project in a similar way to open street map? With the idea that this might be connected to an invasive plant species effort too... It is an interesting idea -- roads are relatively stable. Streams have additional attributes, like water levels. Any reactions or ideas on how this might be started? Cheers Charlie Schweik <>___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
