Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE : Distracting discussions of discussing [was:] What is North America?
On 11-11-24 04:50 PM, Tyler Mitchell wrote: But to answer your question.. the aim is to run a conference, first round in the USA. Other than working alongside other chapters (and obviously inviting them to partner on the event) there is no proposed formal connection between them - except of course being under the OSGeo banner together :) I am of the opinion that the NA Chapter should have a closer relationship to the other local chapters in this territory, but I do not have the time to explain and argue those points. I write this as an active member of the Quebec local Chapter that falls in this territory and personally I'm disappointed that the local chapters were never ping'd for their opinion or interest in being involved other than some notes sent through this list. I thought of a NA chapter as well before and discussed the idea with several people in the last years but it was a different concept: I am of the opinion that a NA chapter would be stronger with support from all the local chapters in the territory. Oh, did I just say that I didn't have time for this? Sorry, I shut up... -- Daniel Morissette http://www.mapgears.com/ Provider of Professional MapServer Support since 2000 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE : Distracting discussions of discussing [was:] What is North America?
Thank you for clarifying. Landon On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Tyler Mitchell wrote: > On 2011-11-24, at 1:25 PM, Landon Blake wrote: > >> So did we decide what we would geographic region we would include in a >> "North American chapter"? How would this chapter interact or relate to >> existing chapters in the United States and other parts of North >> America? > > Hi Landon, > > Come on over to where Mark's further clarifying he's thoughts and few of us > others are weighing in too: > > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/northamerica > > Archive: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/northamerica/ > > But to answer your question.. the aim is to run a conference, first round in > the USA. Other than working alongside other chapters (and obviously inviting > them to partner on the event) there is no proposed formal connection between > them - except of course being under the OSGeo banner together :) > > Hope that helps, see you on the other list... > > Tyler > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE : Distracting discussions of discussing [was:] What is North America?
On 2011-11-24, at 1:25 PM, Landon Blake wrote: > So did we decide what we would geographic region we would include in a > "North American chapter"? How would this chapter interact or relate to > existing chapters in the United States and other parts of North > America? Hi Landon, Come on over to where Mark's further clarifying he's thoughts and few of us others are weighing in too: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/northamerica Archive: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/northamerica/ But to answer your question.. the aim is to run a conference, first round in the USA. Other than working alongside other chapters (and obviously inviting them to partner on the event) there is no proposed formal connection between them - except of course being under the OSGeo banner together :) Hope that helps, see you on the other list... Tyler ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE : Distracting discussions of discussing [was:] What is North America?
So did we decide what we would geographic region we would include in a "North American chapter"? How would this chapter interact or relate to existing chapters in the United States and other parts of North America? Landon On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jean-Philippe Lagrange wrote: > Dear Adrian, > > I agree that being a non native speaker, I may misunderstand some sentences. > However, you wrote: > 'you have to include France as well in North America for the > two itty, bitty islands it claims of the eastern coast---doesn't > territorial occupation suck?'. > Am I inventing in finding this sentence somewhat disparaging? > You could use another word than 'occupation', couldn't you? > Would 'territorial occupation' have no link with 'occupied territories'? > > Anyway, this matter is not worth long exchanges! > > Best, > Jean-Philippe > > > De : Adrian Custer [acus...@gmail.com] > Date d'envoi : dimanche 13 novembre 2011 18:27 > À : Jean-Philippe Lagrange; OSGeo Discussions > Objet : Distracting discussions of discussing [was:] What is North America? > > On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 10:07 +0100, Jean-Philippe Lagrange wrote: >> Hi Adrian, >> >> Should now French people feel some prejudice because of your disparaging >> words? > > Jean-Phillipe Lagrange, > > There were no "disparaging words" in my email. I am a native speaker of > English so I know how to use the language pretty well to have it say > what I mean to say rather than something else. Also, I had no intent to > disparage the people of the country where I was born, where I have spent > the past few years, and where part of my family lives. So if you have > read something you find disparaging of yourself or others in my email, > please know that you have invented it. > > Also, since these emails are (1) lighthearted (2) ironic and (3) joking, > it would be best if everyone made the effort to read them looking for > irony and happiness rather than looking for insults. Arnulf is playing > on the tensions between 'north americans' and others in the americas, > playing on the history of violent confrontation between those groups. He > is playing in order to, light heartedly, call into question what 'North > american' might mean for a regional chapter of OSGeo. That is the > interesting question. > > The rest of this bantering is merely irrelevant irreverent political > banter. Even 'gringo' that started this all, is, in my experience, used > much more frequently as a statement of fact, or as a lighthearted > comment, than as a direct insult. I personally found it much quicker to > call myself a 'gringo' than the mouthful 'estado unidense' or 'norte > americano'. Daniel, to my surprise, finds the term obviously and clearly > insulting. Such is the spectrum of human experience. Nonetheless, I > suspect we all can recognize that Arnulf did not start his email trying > to insult people but rather, in a fit of his boundless energy, to spark > a discussion about the OSGeo chapter. > > ~adrian > > > PS If you still consider my mail insulting, I would be glad to reassure > you that it was not written that way. Contact me directly, in french if > you like, and we can resolve this offline. > >> Should we follow up by wondering what natives of Northern America >> think of 'occupation which sucks'? > > By all means. Although, if you look at my last name, you will perhaps > understand that I usually start with the genocidal conquest of these > united states rather than end up considering it. > >> >> Such consideration do not lead anybody anywhere. Nowadays borders are >> a result of history, including past wars, and nobody should argue too >> much against the formers, for we do not want the latters to develop >> again among nations. > > Actually, many people do argue against and question borders; others try > to undermine the nation states and focus on human well being instead. > >> By the way, French Islands in your area do not stop at two bitty islands >> off the Eastern coast, you may also include French Antillas, > > Except that this was the whole point of Arnulf's email; the carribean is > almost never considered part of 'north america' despite being (1) in the > americas and (2) north of the equator. Nor is the much more sizeable > Mexico. > >> not so far >> from Puerto Rico, recently added to the USA. >> >> Best, >> JP >> >> De : discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] de la >> part de Adrian Custer [acus...@gmail.com] >> Date d'envoi : vendredi 11 novembre 2011 20:25 >> À : OSGeo Discussions >> Objet : Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What is North America? >> >> On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 11:29 +0100, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote: >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > Now that a North American Regional Chapter is emerging I wanted to >> > understand what the term "North America" actually means. Just a few >> > example: >> > >> > In my cultural c
[OSGeo-Discuss] RE : Distracting discussions of discussing [was:] What is North America?
Dear Adrian, I agree that being a non native speaker, I may misunderstand some sentences. However, you wrote: 'you have to include France as well in North America for the two itty, bitty islands it claims of the eastern coast---doesn't territorial occupation suck?'. Am I inventing in finding this sentence somewhat disparaging? You could use another word than 'occupation', couldn't you? Would 'territorial occupation' have no link with 'occupied territories'? Anyway, this matter is not worth long exchanges! Best, Jean-Philippe De : Adrian Custer [acus...@gmail.com] Date d'envoi : dimanche 13 novembre 2011 18:27 À : Jean-Philippe Lagrange; OSGeo Discussions Objet : Distracting discussions of discussing [was:] What is North America? On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 10:07 +0100, Jean-Philippe Lagrange wrote: > Hi Adrian, > > Should now French people feel some prejudice because of your disparaging > words? Jean-Phillipe Lagrange, There were no "disparaging words" in my email. I am a native speaker of English so I know how to use the language pretty well to have it say what I mean to say rather than something else. Also, I had no intent to disparage the people of the country where I was born, where I have spent the past few years, and where part of my family lives. So if you have read something you find disparaging of yourself or others in my email, please know that you have invented it. Also, since these emails are (1) lighthearted (2) ironic and (3) joking, it would be best if everyone made the effort to read them looking for irony and happiness rather than looking for insults. Arnulf is playing on the tensions between 'north americans' and others in the americas, playing on the history of violent confrontation between those groups. He is playing in order to, light heartedly, call into question what 'North american' might mean for a regional chapter of OSGeo. That is the interesting question. The rest of this bantering is merely irrelevant irreverent political banter. Even 'gringo' that started this all, is, in my experience, used much more frequently as a statement of fact, or as a lighthearted comment, than as a direct insult. I personally found it much quicker to call myself a 'gringo' than the mouthful 'estado unidense' or 'norte americano'. Daniel, to my surprise, finds the term obviously and clearly insulting. Such is the spectrum of human experience. Nonetheless, I suspect we all can recognize that Arnulf did not start his email trying to insult people but rather, in a fit of his boundless energy, to spark a discussion about the OSGeo chapter. ~adrian PS If you still consider my mail insulting, I would be glad to reassure you that it was not written that way. Contact me directly, in french if you like, and we can resolve this offline. > Should we follow up by wondering what natives of Northern America > think of 'occupation which sucks'? By all means. Although, if you look at my last name, you will perhaps understand that I usually start with the genocidal conquest of these united states rather than end up considering it. > > Such consideration do not lead anybody anywhere. Nowadays borders are > a result of history, including past wars, and nobody should argue too > much against the formers, for we do not want the latters to develop > again among nations. Actually, many people do argue against and question borders; others try to undermine the nation states and focus on human well being instead. > By the way, French Islands in your area do not stop at two bitty islands > off the Eastern coast, you may also include French Antillas, Except that this was the whole point of Arnulf's email; the carribean is almost never considered part of 'north america' despite being (1) in the americas and (2) north of the equator. Nor is the much more sizeable Mexico. > not so far > from Puerto Rico, recently added to the USA. > > Best, > JP > > De : discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] de la > part de Adrian Custer [acus...@gmail.com] > Date d'envoi : vendredi 11 novembre 2011 20:25 > À : OSGeo Discussions > Objet : Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What is North America? > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 11:29 +0100, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Now that a North American Regional Chapter is emerging I wanted to > > understand what the term "North America" actually means. Just a few > > example: > > > > In my cultural context (Germany) the Unites States on their own are > > typically called "Amerika" which in reality is a whole continent. To > > many Germans Kanada (yes, with a "K") is just a US wilderness adventure > > park (Canadians: no offence meant). In many South American countries US > > citizens are nowadays called "Gringo" which originally meant "Green Go" > > and relates to US "interventions" in Middle and Southern America. > > > > So for many non-North
