Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Jody Garnett]

The website committee has been dissolved, making this a more self-servce
experience.

All committee chairs (and foundation officers) should now how website edit
access; if we missed anyone please comment on
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1789

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On 20 October 2016 at 08:20, Massimiliano Cannata <
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> dear Board,
> in the OSGeo landing page (www.osgeo.org) in the "OSGeo projects" frame
> are listed the so called "Outreach Projects".
>
> To my understanding and knowledge these listed projects (Public Geospatial
> Data, Education and Curriculum, OSGeo Live) have not been nor incubated nor
> graduated.
>
> I'm therefore asking for clarification, and in the case my understanding
> is correct, to immediately remove these projects from the landing page.
>
> Two of them are actually committee, at the same level of the other OSGeo
> committee, that in my opinion should be equally promoted and listed
> togheter.
>
> Best,
> Maxi
>
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Jody Garnett]

I would tend to think of GeoForAll/Geo4All/geo4all, osgeo-live, etc... as
"Initiatives" rather than software projects.

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On 20 October 2016 at 08:20, Massimiliano Cannata <
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> dear Board,
> in the OSGeo landing page (www.osgeo.org) in the "OSGeo projects" frame
> are listed the so called "Outreach Projects".
>
> To my understanding and knowledge these listed projects (Public Geospatial
> Data, Education and Curriculum, OSGeo Live) have not been nor incubated nor
> graduated.
>
> I'm therefore asking for clarification, and in the case my understanding
> is correct, to immediately remove these projects from the landing page.
>
> Two of them are actually committee, at the same level of the other OSGeo
> committee, that in my opinion should be equally promoted and listed
> togheter.
>
> Best,
> Maxi
>
>
>
> --
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>
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>
> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>
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>
> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Massimiliano Cannata]

Dear Codrina and Angelos,
as co-chair of the Open Geoscience committe as you showed interest in
re-vitalising the open data stuff, I would like to invite you to form and
lead a specific working group within the Open Geoscience Committee.
We have already set a WG for open monitoring system which is very oriented
to produce Open Data from field observations in "near real time".

I also think it would be great to set-up an OSGeo CKan server for promoting
this and I would be very interested in contributing to this.

please, let me know your opinion on this.

Best,
maxi






2016-10-21 11:24 GMT+02:00 Codrina Maria Ilie :

> Dear Venka,
>
> Good idea! I will gladly start setting the wiki page within the next days.
>
> Cheers,
> Codrina
>
>
>
> On 21/10/16 12:07, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
>
>> Hi Codrina,
>>
>> On 2016/10/21 17:09, Codrina Maria Ilie wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Venka, all
>>>
>>> I would gladly join forces in a Data4All initiative with OSM, HOT and
>>> other Open Data communities, as well.
>>>
>>
>> That's great! Shall we start with setting up a wiki page and
>> inviting others to join the Data4All initiative?
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Venka
>>
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Codrina
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21/10/16 02:27, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
>>>

 Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
 the recent e-mail [2]. I would be happy to work together with
 anyone who would like to take up on forming the "Data4All"
 initiative with OSM, HOT and others in the Open Data
 community.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

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On Friday 21 October 2016 12:41:56 Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> On 10/20/2016 10:53 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> > OSGeo-Live likewise has hundreds of contributors, provides a easy way
> > for new users to find out about Open Source projects, and maintains a
> > high level of quality. It should be promoted. Note, we have considered
> > taking OSGeo-Live through graduation. Checklist here:
> > 
> > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Incubation_Graduation_Checklist
> 
> I think it is time for us to push the incubation process and address any
> concerns there might be about OSGeo-Live through that process.

+1. I think that the OSGeo-Live project deserves first class recognition, and 
from my outsider perspective seems to have processes similar to other OSGeo 
projects. Beyond what is products, the OSGeo-Live ISO, the packaging effort 
also greatly benefits to OSGeo (and other) projects.
Making clear what is the scope of the project and what is vetted or not by it 
should be sufficient to address any concern.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Hi all,

On 10/20/2016 10:53 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:



OSGeo-Live likewise has hundreds of contributors, provides a easy way 
for new users to find out about Open Source projects, and maintains a 
high level of quality. It should be promoted. Note, we have considered 
taking OSGeo-Live through graduation. Checklist here:


https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Incubation_Graduation_Checklist


I think it is time for us to push the incubation process and address any 
concerns there might be about OSGeo-Live through that process.




One concern I have is that OSGeo-Live includes more projects than just 
those incubated. A casual observer would naturally deduce that if 
OSGeo-Live has reached incubation quality, then all included packages 
should have also reached such quality. This assumption is incorrect 
and should not be promoted by OSGeo, and is a reason for OSGeo-Live 
not to be officially recognised as an OSGeo incubated project.


This assumption is definitely incorrect and should be fully addressed in 
the OSGeo-Live documentation.
We have always given priority to graduated and incubating projects (one 
exception comes to mind due to huge installation size requirements) and 
we have tried to be as inclusive as possible, since many new projects 
think that OSGeo-Live is an excellent way of promoting their work and 
reach out to the community through this "product".
In the process of creating/building the OSGeo-Live, we sometimes find 
interesting/helpful pieces of software to include or even sometimes 
complete projects that are de-facto accepted from the community as 
quality projects. We should continue to include them, even if they are 
not fully graduated from OSGeo. We should also encourage those projects 
to join OSGeo Community Projects (formerly Labs), but sometimes those 
projects are not always interested in joining OSGeo (We should consider 
why they are not interested, and what is that we offer to new projects - 
this is a big discussion and we need to take it up at some point).


Another point is that OSGeo-Live tends (not there yet) to be a proper 
GNU/Linux distribution, including not just geospatial software. We would 
never expect all included software (e.g. Linux kernel, GNU, Debian, 
Ubuntu, Xorg, LXDE etc) to be somehow officially linked to OSGeo :)


Best,
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On 21/10/2016 12:20 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

dear Board,
in the OSGeo landing page (www.osgeo.org ) in 
the "OSGeo projects" frame are listed the so called "Outreach Projects".


To my understanding and knowledge these listed projects (Public 
Geospatial Data, Education and Curriculum, OSGeo Live) have not been 
nor incubated nor graduated.


I'm therefore asking for clarification, and in the case my 
understanding is correct, to immediately remove these projects from 
the landing page.


Two of them are actually committee, at the same level of the other 
OSGeo committee, that in my opinion should be equally promoted and 
listed togheter.


Best,
Maxi



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Codrina Maria Ilie]

Dear Venka,

Good idea! I will gladly start setting the wiki page within the next days.

Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 12:07, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:

Hi Codrina,

On 2016/10/21 17:09, Codrina Maria Ilie wrote:

Dear Venka, all

I would gladly join forces in a Data4All initiative with OSM, HOT and
other Open Data communities, as well.


That's great! Shall we start with setting up a wiki page and
inviting others to join the Data4All initiative?

Best

Venka



Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 02:27, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:


Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
the recent e-mail [2]. I would be happy to work together with
anyone who would like to take up on forming the "Data4All"
initiative with OSM, HOT and others in the Open Data
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Hi all,

I also think this is an excellent idea, and I like the proposed name too.
I would be happy to contribute to such an initiative too.

Best,
Angelos

On 10/21/2016 11:09 AM, Codrina Maria Ilie wrote:

Dear Venka, all

I would gladly join forces in a Data4All initiative with OSM, HOT and 
other Open Data communities, as well.


Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 02:27, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:


Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
the recent e-mail [2]. I would be happy to work together with
anyone who would like to take up on forming the "Data4All"
initiative with OSM, HOT and others in the Open Data
community.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Venkatesh Raghavan]

Hi Codrina,

On 2016/10/21 17:09, Codrina Maria Ilie wrote:

Dear Venka, all

I would gladly join forces in a Data4All initiative with OSM, HOT and 
other Open Data communities, as well.


That's great! Shall we start with setting up a wiki page and
inviting others to join the Data4All initiative?

Best

Venka



Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 02:27, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:


Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
the recent e-mail [2]. I would be happy to work together with
anyone who would like to take up on forming the "Data4All"
initiative with OSM, HOT and others in the Open Data
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

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On 21/10/16 08:33, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
> To me using PROJECT for outreach activities is misleading and confusing.

That may actually just be a matter of language. Certainly rules relating
to the development of software products do not apply to the development
of open source data or the development of material for promoting and
training participants in ANY of those activities, but a 'project' is a
distinct package of activity aiming towards a specific result.

Now the initial 'complaint' is that the current links to projects to
promote the other activities should not be shown on the front page, and
that is patently wrong. OSGeo live is clearly a 'project' providing a
package of material from all the other projects, and I would like to see
that 'pushed' a little more and it could potentially be used to produce
an income from the provision of physical disks.

Public Geospatial Data and Education and Curriculum do seem to have
'projects' buried somewhere within their pages of text? It would be nice
project to create a front end to land on that much better provides a
display of available open source data and documents. There is a
substantial and growing library of openly available geosource data, but
accessing it in a way that links to the available software would be a
useful project.

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[Codrina Maria Ilie]

Dear Venka, all

I would gladly join forces in a Data4All initiative with OSM, HOT and 
other Open Data communities, as well.


Cheers,
Codrina


On 21/10/16 02:27, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:


Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Massimiliano Cannata]

I strongly disagree in using the name "project" for outreach "activities".

In OSGeo a project is a "software project" and we have:
- osgeo projects (graduated)
- incubating projects (incubating)
- community projects (not big enough to incubate)

Then we have "outreach activities" which are conducted by:
- OSGeo committees
- OSGeo working groups
- OSGeo advocates


To me using PROJECT for outreach activities is misleading and confusing.

And if you list one in the landing page you should list all of them.
p.s.: "open geoscience committe" is an "outreach project" as it connect
with EGU and AGU associations

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Venkatesh Raghavan]

Maxi, Cameron and all,

Perhaps the term "Education Committee" could be replaced with
Geo4All as it represents the educational outreach project of
OSGeo.

Mapbuilder which is listed as an Foundation project has
retired [1] and and can be removed or shown
"Past Project".

Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
the recent e-mail [2]. I would be happy to work together with
anyone who would like to take up on forming the "Data4All"
initiative with OSM, HOT and others in the Open Data
community.

Best

Venka

[1] 
http://cameronshorter.blogspot.jp/2008/07/end-of-life-for-community-mapbuilder-we_29.html

[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-October/016812.html

On 10/21/2016 4:53 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Hi Maxi,

I'm not sure our software incubation checklist is the correct criteria 
to apply to "OSGeo Outreach Projects".


--

The education committee is a huge success story of OSGeo, attracting 
educators from around the world who are promoting Open Source to 
future generations. OSGeo should be promoting this community.


OSGeo-Live likewise has hundreds of contributors, provides a easy way 
for new users to find out about Open Source projects, and maintains a 
high level of quality. It should be promoted. Note, we have considered 
taking OSGeo-Live through graduation. Checklist here:


https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Incubation_Graduation_Checklist

One concern I have is that OSGeo-Live includes more projects than just 
those incubated. A casual observer would naturally deduce that if 
OSGeo-Live has reached incubation quality, then all included packages 
should have also reached such quality. This assumption is incorrect 
and should not be promoted by OSGeo, and is a reason for OSGeo-Live 
not to be officially recognised as an OSGeo incubated project.


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The OSGeo Data Committee is a great idea, but has lost impetus. This 
might be a candidate for dropping from the home page. Possibly we 
should be pointing people to Open Street Map or similar.


Warm regards, Cameron

On 21/10/2016 12:20 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

dear Board,
in the OSGeo landing page (www.osgeo.org ) in 
the "OSGeo projects" frame are listed the so called "Outreach Projects".


To my understanding and knowledge these listed projects (Public 
Geospatial Data, Education and Curriculum, OSGeo Live) have not been 
nor incubated nor graduated.


I'm therefore asking for clarification, and in the case my 
understanding is correct, to immediately remove these projects from 
the landing page.


Two of them are actually committee, at the same level of the other 
OSGeo committee, that in my opinion should be equally promoted and 
listed togheter.


Best,
Maxi



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Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio

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[Cameron Shorter]

Hi Maxi,

I'm not sure our software incubation checklist is the correct criteria 
to apply to "OSGeo Outreach Projects".


--

The education committee is a huge success story of OSGeo, attracting 
educators from around the world who are promoting Open Source to future 
generations. OSGeo should be promoting this community.


OSGeo-Live likewise has hundreds of contributors, provides a easy way 
for new users to find out about Open Source projects, and maintains a 
high level of quality. It should be promoted. Note, we have considered 
taking OSGeo-Live through graduation. Checklist here:


https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Incubation_Graduation_Checklist

One concern I have is that OSGeo-Live includes more projects than just 
those incubated. A casual observer would naturally deduce that if 
OSGeo-Live has reached incubation quality, then all included packages 
should have also reached such quality. This assumption is incorrect and 
should not be promoted by OSGeo, and is a reason for OSGeo-Live not to 
be officially recognised as an OSGeo incubated project.


--
The OSGeo Data Committee is a great idea, but has lost impetus. This 
might be a candidate for dropping from the home page. Possibly we should 
be pointing people to Open Street Map or similar.


Warm regards, Cameron

On 21/10/2016 12:20 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

dear Board,
in the OSGeo landing page (www.osgeo.org ) in 
the "OSGeo projects" frame are listed the so called "Outreach Projects".


To my understanding and knowledge these listed projects (Public 
Geospatial Data, Education and Curriculum, OSGeo Live) have not been 
nor incubated nor graduated.


I'm therefore asking for clarification, and in the case my 
understanding is correct, to immediately remove these projects from 
the landing page.


Two of them are actually committee, at the same level of the other 
OSGeo committee, that in my opinion should be equally promoted and 
listed togheter.


Best,
Maxi



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