[slim] Re: How to reliably/easily backup 100Gb of FLACs?

[Bruce Hartley]

Yes please.

How do you back up tags with a checksum?
How do you restore tags with that checksum?


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Re: [slim] Re: How to reliably/easily backup 100Gb of FLACs?

[Michael Herger]

If you lose your files.restore themrun routine over the
restored files to re-apply your CURRENT tags.


And now tell me how you back up / restore your mp3 tags only. If this is  
so obviously simple, I clearly must have missed it.


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[slim] Wma Vbr

[MrC]

I thought I understood that WMA VBR files would be sent directly to
SB[23] and not transcoded on the server.

I tried a test and created a max quality WMA VBR, and played it.  It
was transcoded on the server to FLAC and sent at 302kbps.

svn 5163, trunk.


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[slim] Re: How to reliably/easily backup 100Gb of FLACs?

[Jim]

I still don't get why everyone is discussing backup tactics that would
apply to NORMAL *EVER CHANGING* data such as databases, documents
etc...  If the actual *audio* in your files is changing then you're
doing something very strange.

Unless we've gone off topic I thought we were talking music, audio
files.

In that case once it's ripped that's it.  Back it up.  Rules
being...when backup media full move onto new media.  Keep a regular
backup of your tags (just text info) , having them relate to a checksum
of your backed-up files.  Obviously keep them away from your backup of
the audio files.

If you lose your files.restore themrun routine over the
restored files to re-apply your CURRENT tags.


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Re: [slim] Re: Wishlist: Less clunky (more iTunes-like) GUI

[Geoff B]

On 11/9/05, Dr Lovegrove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 09/11/05, Michaelwagner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, that's not quite correct. As of when I looked at it last, it
> > rescanned the files on it's own and didn't use the slim database.
> >
> > --
> > Michaelwagner
>
> Indeed, the library feature of Moose currently does its own scanning.
> It's seriously quick though as it only looks at filenames and folders,
> not tags.

Have you considered leveraging the existing SQLite DB instead? 
Instead of creating a .moo file, couldn't you just use existing
drivers to use the already-scanned data, like this one:
http://adodotnetsqlite.sourceforge.net/documentation/csharp_example.php

Of course, it would mean that the user would need to copy the .db file
to any remote computers that would be running Moose, but presumably
that is no different to copying the .moo file, right?  Or am I missing
something fundamental here?

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[slim] Re: Wishlist: Less clunky (more iTunes-like) GUI

[Mike Anderson]

kdf Wrote: 
> I personally find it a bit insulting to suggest that they don't know
> what they are doing.

I'm sorry, I did not mean to imply that they don't know what they're
doing.  I said, "I'd like to see the company prosper,"  not "The
company won't prosper unless they take my advice."

For all I know, they'll prosper regardless of what they do.  But it
certainly wouldn't hurt to have a really slick GUI.  Whether it's
feasible to develop such a thing it is obviously beyond my ability to
evaluate;  I'm simply expressing my wishes as a customer and fan of the
product.

I tried my best to bring up the topic in a respectful way, knowing full
well that some people would get defensive about it;  I'm sorry I failed
to do so.


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Re: [slim] Re: How to reliably/easily backup 100Gb of FLACs?

[Geoff B]

On 11/11/05, clumsyoik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What if a
> virus/small child/hardware fault corrupts some of your data without you
> realising? When it gets automatically rsync'ed to the backup, your data
> is gone for good.

I use a system someone else already mentioned; external drive, USB
enclosure, SyncBack.  Cheap to set up, and very fast for backups.

To get around the above issue of overwriting good backups with corrupt
data, I only backup after I've done enough hours of changes that it
would be particularly painful to repeat them.  I don't see the need to
back up daily, when I only rip new material once a month or so.  When
I do the backup, SyncBack throws up a list of what's changed; I
eyeball it briefly, and if anything unexpected is in there (hasn't
happened yet), it would indicate hardware problems / small children,
and be simple to recover from.

Of couse, there's still a risk in this, but if you're that paranoid,
you could simply get a second USB drive and rotate them.

Cheers
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[slim] Re: Need Australian female voice talent

[Jim]

I personally know 3 very famous Australian's and called them up to see
if I could fit this in their schedules.

The good news is one can :D

So I called them up

First I spoke to Kylieshe told me she'd call me back.
Then I spoke to her sister Danni...she'd call back too.
Then I spoke "The Ginger One" From Prisoner Cell Block H...again, a
promised callback.

They all eventually called, and 2 of them couldn't do it :(

Now do you want the bad news...


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[slim] Re: Winamp / Flac streaming

[kaline]

Yep...that's the message I see.

"The LAME encoder appears to be installed correctly on your system."


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[slim] Re: Winamp / Flac streaming

[radish]

Do you have lame installed properly? Go to the audio tab of the player
setup screen on the web interface and scroll to the very bottom. It
should say "The LAME encoder appears to be installed correctly on your
system."


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Re: [slim] Re: Archiving classics

[Pat Farrell]

On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 16:47 -0800, Jack Coates wrote:
> Pat Farrell wrote:...
> >I proposed that we only consider the music part of the file,
> >and skip all the metadata tags. I think that changing
> >one of the tags within a song, say Genre from Pop to House
> >does not change the essence of the music. So I proposed
> >that we read the whole file, ignore the tags, headers, and
> >assorted BS, and put the music bytes thru the hash function.
> >And store the resulting hash.
>   
> I kinda agree with this in theory, but the practice is not something I 
> imagine going well.

Can you elaborate? Seems pretty straight forward to me.
It will be kinda slow, but it is an ideal thing to do
in a background thread. The code I wrote to grab
cover art had to be able to read the tags and dictionary
data in MP3 and Flac/Ogg files.


> >WMA and AAC are great examples of why using tags is not sufficient.
> >The internal format of these files are proprietary. You may
> >be able to reverse engineer the format for any specific version,
> >but you will have to repeat it for each modification that Microsoft
> >or Apple make.

> wouldn't the DRM versions of these songs have different checksums on 
> every device they're copied too?

I think this is impossible to answer this. You'd have to know
a lot more about the DRM from the assorted vendors than
I know. 

I would expect, if they did it "properly" that you
could not access the raw PCM data, so you couldn't
calculate the crypto-hash. Mostly because if I can
get access to the raw PCM data to calculate the hash,
I probably could figure out how to write them
to a file without the DRM.





> I'd guess because the tags are often already there, and/or already being 
> maintained. One could even call them the "standard" since they're the 
> primary way to get data about songs from one computer music player to 
> another (even though they all seem to make a database of their own these 
> days, they're all starting from the tags).

I see it more as when all you have is a hammer, all the world's
problems look like nails. Clearly if you focus on moving
tunes to low-brain components, you have to have minimal
common subset approaches, such as tags. But those same
components are not likely to understand or properly
handle any extension or "non-standard" tags.


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[slim] iTunes volume adjustments (song check)

[eschurr]

Does anyone know the best way to generate volume adjustment tags for a
library of iTunes songs?

I know iTunes has a feature called Song Check, but there's no
explanation how it works -- does it generate the volume adjustments 
when it rips songs, plays songs, or what?

i wnat to generate tags for every song in my library (that needs it) so
i can take advantage of the newest features in SS 6.2


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[slim] Sound drop-outs, performance issues with 6.2

[eschurr]

When my Slimserver runs, it often times stops producing any audio and/or
emits odd sounds while a song is playing (sounds like water droplets). 


When the audio stops, the progress bar in the web interface continues
to move, and when the audio resumes, the song has progressed past the
point where the audio stopped. So it appears that Slimserver is still
processing the song, but it stops producing any output.

I also notice that at times the slimserver process is consuming as much
as 99% of the CPU!

I'm running a pretty recent build of Slimserver (v2005-11-06)on a Dell
Dimension with a Squeezebox1 and iTunes.  I've been using this set up
for a few years.  A similar problem happened about a year ago, but by
upgrading to a new version of SlimServer it went away.  It seems that
when i moved to this version of Slimserver a similar but different
problem has emerged.

I've got my iTunes reload interval set to 1200 so it should not be
"chasing" song if I change them in iTunes while its playing. This issue
happens while iTunes is shut down, too, so i don't think that's it.

any ideas?


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[slim] Softsqueeze and SqueezeBox2

[Mike White]

I have just noticed something that is a little odd. If I am just running
SoftSqueeze while I am on my computer, then quit SoftSqueeze, and turn
on my SqueezeBox2 (playing the same music, just listening to it away
from the computer), SlimServer seems to hang up. The SB2 shows a track
playing, but nothing is coming out of the speakers. Restarting the SB2
doesn't change anything. Ultimately I rebooted my computer, and
everything started working correctly.

Any ideas?

I am running Win XP, all current updates, and SlimServer 6.2.0, over a
wireless network.

Thanks,

Mike


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Re: [slim] Extrnal USB drive fast enough?

[Duck]

dwc wrote:

I just want to make sure using one of these external IDE to USB 2.0
converters is going to be fast enough.  I expect it is, but just wanted
feedback in case not.

Thanks,
Dan

this is the one I've ordered:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817145131




i've got a similar model:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817145125
connected to a genuine usb 2.0 ehci controller on my suse 9.1
laptop.  (it's important to hook it up to a 2.0 controller;
you'll probably get about 10% of this speed using a USB1.0
host.)


with a seagate 7200.7 installed in it, i get this:
$ sudo hdparm -t /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
 Timing buffered disk reads:   74 MB in  3.02 seconds =  24.52 MB/sec


and for reference, i get this on my 5400 rpm ide root drive:
$ sudo hdparm -t /dev/hda

/dev/hda:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  100 MB in  3.02 seconds =  33.08 MB/sec



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RE: [slim] Squeezebox3 shipping update

[Matt E. Alioto]

So that would be 2013.  That's a bit of a back log you've got there.
Have a nice weekend.  get some rest.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of seanadams
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Subject: [slim] Squeezebox3 shipping update




With the exception of a handful of orders which are pending cardholder
verification, we have shipped all orders placed up through *November
6th at 6:00PM PST*. That is anything with an invoice number of
1131329000-000 or lower.

All remaining orders placed through today are expected to ship on
*Monday, November 11th*.

Until we're entirely caught up, estimated lead-time for new orders is
currently 1-2 business days.

Some resellers have already received shipments - substantial additional
quantities are en route to Europe.

All SB3 models are currently shipping - at this point no particular
color, country, or wired/wireless configuration will ship any sooner,
so it's strictly first-in-first-out. Squeezebox2 wired models are now
sold out, but we still have the wireless models in both black and
platinum.


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[slim] Winamp / Flac streaming

[kaline]

Hi all,
I'm super close to getting the new squeezebox (sweet!) so I've been
testing things out with slimserver and softsqueeze. Everything is
working fine except when I try to stream flac's through winamp. I
eventually get an "error synching to mpeg" error. I can stream mp3's to
winamp fine.

Here is what I know...
1. I can stream mp3's to winamp - no problem
2. I can play flac files in winamp (file|open) with no problem
3. I can play flac files via the softSqueeze applet with no problem

I'm kind of stumped at this point. Any ideas?

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[slim] Squeezebox3 shipping update

[seanadams]

With the exception of a handful of orders which are pending cardholder
verification, we have shipped all orders placed up through *November
6th at 6:00PM PST*. That is anything with an invoice number of
1131329000-000 or lower.

All remaining orders placed through today are expected to ship on
*Monday, November 11th*.

Until we're entirely caught up, estimated lead-time for new orders is
currently 1-2 business days.

Some resellers have already received shipments - substantial additional
quantities are en route to Europe.

All SB3 models are currently shipping - at this point no particular
color, country, or wired/wireless configuration will ship any sooner,
so it's strictly first-in-first-out. Squeezebox2 wired models are now
sold out, but we still have the wireless models in both black and
platinum.


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[slim] Re: Need Australian female voice talent

[mikerob]

Have you tried Nicole Kidman?  I hear she is between projects.


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Re: [slim] Re: Archiving classics

[Jack Coates]

Pat Farrell wrote:...


There are lots of potential definitions. The most obvious
is that songs are identical if a hash/checksum of the bytes
is identical.

I proposed that we only consider the music part of the file,
and skip all the metadata tags. I think that changing
one of the tags within a song, say Genre from Pop to House
does not change the essence of the music. So I proposed
that we read the whole file, ignore the tags, headers, and
assorted BS, and put the music bytes thru the hash function.
And store the resulting hash.

 

I kinda agree with this in theory, but the practice is not something I 
imagine going well.



Someone who knows about MPC and WMA formats would have to chime in on
solving it for those cases.
   



WMA and AAC are great examples of why using tags is not sufficient.
The internal format of these files are proprietary. You may
be able to reverse engineer the format for any specific version,
but you will have to repeat it for each modification that Microsoft
or Apple make.


 



wouldn't the DRM versions of these songs have different checksums on 
every device they're copied too?



From there, it's matter of DB-persisting the tags as part of the
normal scan process, 
   



I'm convinced that for my needs, no extension of metadata tags
is sufficiently robust to describe all the data and can not
be made applicable to all file formats and versions upward and
downward.

 



XML will solve everything!!! Just kidding, I don't really want to see 
any ML used here :)



In general database work, information retrieval work, etc.
the separation of data from metadata is well established.
For many good reasons. 


I don't understand why so many folks seem to be insisting on
using extended tags. Patches are always welcome. Nothing that
I'm written about prohibits other approaches. There is no
one true way.
 



I'd guess because the tags are often already there, and/or already being 
maintained. One could even call them the "standard" since they're the 
primary way to get data about songs from one computer music player to 
another (even though they all seem to make a database of their own these 
days, they're all starting from the tags).


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Re: [slim] Re: scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[dean blackketter]

On Nov 11, 2005, at 3:58 PM, meyergru wrote:

seanadams Wrote:
Keep in mind Squeezenetwork runs several hundred clients on each  
server

PC - I don't have the number off the top of my head but I think it's
over a thousand.  This is almost entirely the same code base as
SlimServer - the core performance considerations needed to make this
work are already present in SlimServer.



But this is only the metainformation delivery part, not serving to the
clients.
True.  Luckily, the data serving part of SlimServer is quite  
efficient (compared to the screen rendering, database access, etc.)

Even so, you will need more CPU power.

The thing I would worry about most is the single-threaded nature of  
SlimServer for a large number of players.


One thing we do on the SqueezeNetwork is run multiple SlimServers on  
a given machine and use a load balancer to assign players to server  
processes.


A simpler solution for a fixed installation would be to have the  
server configured with multiple IP addresses and bind server  
processes to separate IP addresses via the command line options.   
Then have your players configured to connect to specific server IP  
addresses.


Finally, consider using multiple inexpensive server machines each  
running a single instance of slimserver.  A Redundant Array of  
Inexpensive SlimServers.


-dean

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[slim] Re: SB2 Wireless Help Needed - Audio Drops

[MrC]

Please look at this diagram that shows Channel overlap.  Channel 6 does
not overlap with channel 1, so there is no problems with your neighbor
using it.  But check the others that do overlap.

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[slim] Re: SB2 Wireless Help Needed - Audio Drops

[patrija]

I checked the setting on my router and UPNP was turned off. I turned it
back on and let SB2 play for a day. Worked fine for a long time and
then started dropping again. Here's the logs. Any suggestions? My
wife's about to throw it out - can't stand listening to every other
word of a song. I ran Network Stumbler and I am the only one on Channel
1 - closest is Channel 6. Note, I had stopped streaming just before I
grabbeded this health log. Thanks.

Bar
Please queue up several tracks to play on this player and start them
playing. Then press the Reset Counters link above to clear the
statistics and update this display. 

Summary
Control Connection : OK
Streaming Connection   : Inactive
Player Signal Strength : OK
Server Response Time   : OK


Warnings
There is currently no active connection for streaming to this player. A
connection is required whenever you play a file from the server (but not
when you play remote radio streams on a Squeezebox2 player).

If you are attempting to play a local file on this player, then this
indicates a network problem. Please check that your network and/or
server firewall do not block connections to TCP port 9000.



Player Performance : BarThe graphs shown here record the long term
trend for each of the player performance measurements below. They
display the number and percentage of measurements which fall within
each measurement band.

It is imporant to leave the player playing for a while and then assess
the graphs. 


Player Signal Strength
This graph shows the strength of the wireless signal received by your
player. Higher signal strength is better. The player reports signal
strength while it is playing. 
< 10 :   22 :  0% 
< 20 :0 :  0% 
< 30 :0 :  0% 
< 40 :0 :  0% 
< 50 :0 :  0% 
< 60 :   43 :  0% 
< 70 :15196 :  9% 
< 80 :89206 : 51% #
< 90 :71850 : 41% 
< 100 :1 :  0% 
>=100 :   15 :  0% 
max  : 100.00
min  : 0.00
avg  : 76.674360

Buffer Fullness
This graph shows the fill of the player's buffer. Higher buffer
fullness is better. Note the buffer is only filled while the player is
playing tracks.
Squeezebox1 uses a small buffer and it is expected to stay full while
playing. If this value drops to 0 it will result in audio dropouts.
This is likely to be due to network problems.

Squeezebox2 uses a large buffer. This drains to 0 at the end of each
track and then refills for the next track. You should only be concerned
if the buffer fill is not high for the majority of the time a track is
playing.

Playing remote streams can lead to low buffer fill as the player needs
to wait for data from the remote server. This is not a cause for
concern. 

< 10 :40464 : 39% ###
< 20 : 2469 :  2% #
< 30 : 1748 :  2% 
< 40 : 1606 :  2% 
< 50 : 1632 :  2% 
< 60 : 1467 :  1% 
< 70 : 1361 :  1% 
< 80 : 1473 :  1% 
< 90 : 1502 :  1% 
< 100 :49639 : 48% 
>=100 :0 :  0% 
max  : 99.68
min  : 0.00
avg  : 54.016724

Control Connection
This graph shows the number of messages queued up to send to the player
over the control connection. A measurement is taken every time a new
message is sent to the player. Values above 1-2 indicate potential
network congestion or that the player has become disconnected. 
< 1 :96690 :100%
##
< 2 :0 :  0% 
< 5 :0 :  0% 
< 10 :0 :  0% 
< 20 :0 :  0% 
>=20 :0 :  0% 
max  : 0.00
min  : 0.00
avg  : 0.00



Server PerformanceThe graphs shown here record the long term trend for
each of the server performance measurements below. They display the
number and percentage of measurements which fall within each
measurement band. 
Server Response Time
This graph shows the length of time between slimserver responding to
requests from any player. It is measured in seconds. Lower numbers are
better. If you notice response times of over 1 second this could lead
to problems with audio performance.
The cause of long response times could be either other programs running
on the server or slimserver processing a complex task. 

< 0.002 :  4408462 : 93%
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< 0.01 : 5033 :  0% 
< 0.015 :  302 :  0% 
< 0.025 :  666 :  0% 
< 0.05 : 1059 :  0% 
< 0.1 :  383 :  0% 
< 0.5 :  474 :  0% 
< 1 :   89 :  0% 
< 5 :   98 :  0% 
>=5 :  326 :  0% 
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min  : 0.24
avg  : 0.001220

Timer Accuracy
Slimserver uses a timer mechanism to trigger events such as updating
the user interface. This graph shows how accurately each timer task is
run relative to the time it was intended to be run. It is measured in
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[slim] Re: Extrnal USB drive fast enough?

[Michaelwagner]

dwc Wrote: 
> I just want to make sure using one of these external IDE to USB 2.0
> converters is going to be fast enough.

I have not used this one, so I can't comment on it specifically.

But in general, USB 2 hard disks are plenty fast enough to stream music
for one to several clients. If you were serving 40 clients, I wouldn't
recommend it. A built-in hard disk is faster. But for the "normal" home
use of one to several clients, it's fine.

Where USB disks show their speed a bit is when you first scan your
library of music. Scan isn't fast anyways, although they're working on
speeding it up, and scan on a USB disk will be slower.

But if you only scan once, which is normal if you're not developing
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[slim] Re: scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[meyergru]

seanadams Wrote: 
> Keep in mind Squeezenetwork runs several hundred clients on each server
> PC - I don't have the number off the top of my head but I think it's
> over a thousand.  This is almost entirely the same code base as
> SlimServer - the core performance considerations needed to make this
> work are already present in SlimServer.
> 

But this is only the metainformation delivery part, not serving to the
clients.

> 
> At any rate we won't know for sure until you start building it, but it
> is definitely possible. These are the most likely bottlenecks though.

Yep. And while a worst-case scenario may overload the setup, real-world
usage with 200 potential clients should be no problem, even with
searching, playlists and so on. Ought to be a real server with some
punch, though, and not a NAS.


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[slim] Re: Network adapter reconnects every 23 minutes

[MrC]

danco Wrote: 
> What I am not clear about is what would happen if I then disconnected 
> the laptop and used its internal wireless card (say, for instance, to 
> make a wifi connection at a hotel). Would the static address cause 
> problems then? Or would the fact that I was using a different method 
> of connection override any issues?

Daniel,

Each interface (eg, your ethernet card, wireless card, even modem),
have different settings and priorities.

You can setup your Ethernet interface to be static IP'd and your
wireless to use DHCP.  When you unplug your Ethernet cable and then
enable your wireless, the wireless configuration will be used.  No
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[slim] Extrnal USB drive fast enough?

[dwc]

I just want to make sure using one of these external IDE to USB 2.0
converters is going to be fast enough.  I expect it is, but just wanted
feedback in case not.

Thanks,
Dan

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[slim] Re: SB3 Backlog

[dfk]

kkitts Wrote: 
> Hi All,
> I just ordered a SB3 Wired Black unit - was just wondering if anyone
> knew what the current backlog is.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kevin

Would you know if there is a wireless black unit?


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[slim] Re: any messages for auntie (BBC)?

[clumsyoik]

bglad Wrote: 
> i'm going to a research session for the BBC's audio downloads next week
> - what feedback should i give them? 
> 
> e.g. what would make the live radio and listen-again feeds more
> slim-friendly?
> 
> 
> -ben

1. MP3
2. 128kbit/s

'nuff said.


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[slim] Re: Need Australian female voice talent

[bossanova808]

Sean

I'm friends with a voice over artist here in Aus - I've sent you both
an email.  She'd be perfect and has done quite a bit of voice/radio
work.

Cheers

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[slim] Re: any messages for auntie (BBC)?

[norderney]

What about the sound quality of some of their Listen Again programmes?
Some of them sound as if I am listening on AM.  Not exactly high
quality Hi Fi!

But then again quite a few internet radio streams from various stations
are broadcast at very low bit rates and sound terrible when played on
proper Hi Fi system.


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[slim] Re: Need Australian female voice talent

[dwc]

Sean, I have the talent. I will see if she's willing. 
-Dan


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[slim] Re: scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[seanadams]

Keep in mind Squeezenetwork runs several hundred clients on each server
PC - I don't have the number off the top of my head but I think it's
over a thousand.  This is almost entirely the same code base as
SlimServer - the core performance considerations needed to make this
work are already present in SlimServer.

Serving throughput is the first concern, but this should be relatively
simple to alleviate.

Searching and building huge playlists is the other concern - to
alleviate those you'd need to either load balance to multiple processes
or disable searching perhaps.

I'm not worried at all about ethernet throughput. A gigabit port would
be good for thousands of clients.

At any rate we won't know for sure until you start building it, but it
is definitely possible. These are the most likely bottlenecks though.


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[slim] Re: SlimServer on XBOX ?

[slimpy]

Once you have linux running on your xbox it should be an easy task. Xbox
linux is debian based as far as I can remember. You want to upgrade the
stock hd if you have the mod chip installed unless you use some
external NAS or USB storage.  Probably memory will be a bit on the low
sidebut otherwise you should be fine.

S.


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[slim] Re: any messages for auntie (BBC)?

[radish]

bglad Wrote: 
> xml feeds: can you suggest a best-of-breed site that offers a large
> collection of material in a highly usable way? it would be easiest to
> tell them 'look at xyz.com'

Podcast.net isn't bad, they have thousands of feeds in categories, each
category (and sub category) has it's own RSS feed. digitalpodcast is
also good (actually, better) - they use OPML which is similar to RSS
but more suited for podcasts. Linky:
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[slim] Re: scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[meyergru]

This seems like a very large load for just one server:

Network:

Let's first assume that you use the MP3 maximum bitrate of 320 kbit/s.
This is equivalent to 40.000 bytes per second. With all 200 clients
running, you have 8.000.000 bytes/s throughput, so that the network
interface is nearly saturated, if you do not choose to use a gigabit
interface, which would by a logical choice, since the backbone switch
should be gigabit as well. Regarding your overall investment, this is
not that much more expensive. Whatever, network throughput should be no
problem.

Harddisk:

While the throughput of 8 MByte/s does not seem much at first sight
with current harddisks running at 30 MByte/s at least (inner tracks),
you have to remember, it is 200 clients causing that load, each
probably playing a different song.

This means that with buffering at - say - 1 second, there would be 200
random seeks per second, each taking ~12ms for a current harddisk
including latency and read. This would take 2.4 seconds, so it would
not work. You have to make sure that buffering is at least 3 seconds,
which equals around 128 KBytes. With a Linux server, you can control
this read-ahead, regardless of application buffering.

However, with real-life assumptions, maybe it would work out just fine,
since you don't have to use maximum bitrate and in a hotel, you'd rarely
see more than half of the clients actually working.

Processing:

This does not mean there is no other K.O. criterium here, I don't know
if the processor load caused by slimserver may be to high - after all,
it's interpreted PERL...

Maybe someone with more than a few clients can give figures about their
CPU load factors?


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Re: [slim] Re: Network adapter reconnects every 23 minutes

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Daniel Cohen wrote:
> 
> What I am not clear about is what would happen if I
then disconnected 
> the laptop and used its internal wireless card (say,
for instance, to 
> make a wifi connection at a hotel). Would the static
address cause 
> problems then? Or would the fact that I was using a
different method of 
> connection override any issues?

I do this all the time.  It's a pain but all you 
have to do is go into Network Connections - 
Wireless Network Connection - Properties - 
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) - Properties and select 
"Obtain IP address automatically" and "Obtain DNS 
server address automatically".

You'll then have to change it back after you're 
finished.

I suppose you could write a script to do this, but 
I'm getting so used to it I can do it in less than 
30 seconds now.

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[slim] Re: darkice/icecast/slimserver6.2 problem

[smblott]

For the record, I haven't solved this problem, but have the following
workaround.

Use "Radio Tune In" on the radio subsection of the main slimserver web
page to type in the URL of the local stream directly.  Once the stream
is being played, it can be added to playlists and favourites, and
accessed in the future that way.

Steve


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[slim] Re: Network adapter reconnects every 23 minutes

[Daniel Cohen]

On 11/11/05 at 11:05 -0800, Risko wrote

you are right about the server<->client static IP configuration. that's
why i use the static IP address reserve with DHCP, same as MrC noted.


I am considering going to a static address on my computer.

It's a laptop, normally connected by Ethernet to a router that is in 
turn connected to a wireless point.


What I am not clear about is what would happen if I then disconnected 
the laptop and used its internal wireless card (say, for instance, to 
make a wifi connection at a hotel). Would the static address cause 
problems then? Or would the fact that I was using a different method 
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[slim] Re: Wake up slimserver (Wake-on LAN) through wireless network

[Daniel Cohen]

On 11/11/05 at 10:45 -0800, MrC wrote

Sorry, that comment was meant for Windows.  Different platforms, as
you've noticed, have different rules.



If that was intended as a reply to my post, yes I did realise that 
different systems behave differently in regard to waking and 
sleeping. I thought it was useful to mention how Macs behaved, as not 
all Mac users with an SB may have noticed this.


But perhaps I should have made it clearer that I wasn't disagreeing 
with you or other posters, just indicating some differences.


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[slim] Re: darkice/icecast/slimserver6.2 problem

[smblott]

The fm tuner is a d-link dsb-r100.  The driver is ufm.ko.  The user
software is ufmcontrol which comes from the audio/ufmcontrol-i18n port
(and my own wrapper, of course, to simplify tuning to favorite
stations).  I also hacked the Execute.pm module to allow the fm tuner
to be tuned through squeezeboxes.

I've been using it all for several years across several versions of
FreeBSD, all with no problem.

Steve


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Re: [slim] SlimServer on XBOX ?

[Michael Herger]

I know you can install Linux on modded XBOX, but have anyone also tried
to put slimserver on top of it, if that works, how about putting the
AlienBBC plugin also, any info will be greatly appreciated.


I think there was once a guy who wanted to remaster SlimCD to install it  
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Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770

[Michael Herger]

I tried resizing the gifs in the images folder, to make the icons for
play, add etc. a little larger but it didn't make any difference. Are
they resized in the html somewhere?


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[slim] Re: Network adapter reconnects every 23 minutes

[Michaelwagner]

oreillymj Wrote: 
> Am I correct in thinking that using DHCP to assign an IP address to
> something which is going to be used as a server is still a bad thing
> even with technology like Rendezvous & mDNS.
I use DHCP for the machine that the slim server runs on. Never had a
problem.

The Slim client searches for the server using one of 2 different
techniques, and always finds my server. I even have had 2 servers on
the network once (laptop and desktop). It seems to handle that OK.


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[slim] SlimServer on XBOX ?

[jackyhan]

I know you can install Linux on modded XBOX, but have anyone also tried
to put slimserver on top of it, if that works, how about putting the
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Re: [slim] Re: Where to buy an IR Blaster?

[dean blackketter]

Yes, the shipping costs are broken.  I'll get this fixed.

-dean

On Nov 10, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Dave Edwards wrote:



Dean,

Thank you for adding this to the order page.

I just tried to order two and the only options I see for delivery are
as follows:
$51.00  One or two business day delivery to major business centers
around the world
$47.95  Two to five business day delivery to more than 57 countries

I wasn't really expecting to pay close to 4x the value of the item in
shipping charge - is there any way these small items can be sent via
normal airmail? If they get lost in transit, I'll buy 2 more - still a
lot cheaper than paying $47 shipping!

Thanks,

Dave


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Re: [slim] Re: scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[ron thigpen]

Jeff Coffler wrote:

As others have said, NAS that's anything remotely affordable is slower 
than local drives.  So I'd just use rsync to syncronize the data between 
systems. Thus, if you add something or change something on a "master" 
system, it would just get copied over to the others at night or something.


You might want to take this approach to the entire server config and not 
just the music files, (with distinct sync operations for the two of 
course).


Especially with identical hardware, you should be able to get an image 
of your OS and software install and use it for all of the servers.  At 
upgrade time, you'd get to a new stable configuration and then 
distribute that image.  Even if you didn't want to do this for the OS, 
it might make sense for the SS setup and config.


And if you don't want to roll your own, take a look at the LiveCD 
approach, "SlimCD".




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[slim] Re: scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[oreillymj]

I'm assuming that your going to require at least 100mb switched
ethernet.

How many 192kbs mp3 streams can a 100mbs card handle with a 30%-40%
overhead to avoid maxing out the card.

The network also needs to have 20%-30% in reserve to avoid saturation
from retries if remember correctly.


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[slim] Re: Network adapter reconnects every 23 minutes

[oreillymj]

ok, if possible, I'd do the following 1 step at a time.

1) change the network cable into a different network port to rule out a
dody port.

2) change the pc->router network cable to rule out the cable

3) reboot the router to eliminate a firmware bug.


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[slim] Re: Random Mix and Crossfade

[ctviggen]

Well, rebooting the server fixed (at least so far) the random problem. 
However, this tends to crop up a lot on my system.  I wonder why?  I
leave Slimserver running and shut down the SB2.  Perhaps after multiple
versions of this, something gets messed up?  However, I also listen to
NPR over the 'net, then go back to random play.  Perhaps this is when
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[slim] Re: Need Australian female voice talent

[oreillymj]

My wife has a great phone voice. She works in sales.

I've been trying to convince her to do part-time phone sex at the
weekend to make extra $$$ for gadgets ;-)


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[slim] Re: Network adapter reconnects every 23 minutes

[Risko]

oreillymj Wrote: 
> Am I correct in thinking that using DHCP to assign an IP address to
> something which is going to be used as a server is still a bad thing
> even with technology like Rendezvous & mDNS.
> 
> Anything which is going to be a server (your SB is a client) should
> have a static IP.
> 
> Now I'd be surprised if your router is set to renew leases every 1/2
> hour but you never know.
> 
> Have you swapped around any network cables during your SB3 install?
> I know that 2 identical looking cables can have competely different
> behavior. You could have swapped in 1 with a dodgy connection.

you are right about the server<->client static IP configuration. that's
why i use the static IP address reserve with DHCP, same as MrC noted. i
did not setup one for the SB3 though. i will do than next. what
confuses me  is the fact, that if this was the case and my router was
renewing the leased addresses every 1/2 hour, it would be the case
prior to the slimserver installation, and my event viewer would have a
record of this. however, it only starts the above stated event record,
after i installed the slimserver and connected the SB3 to the router.
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Re: [slim] Re: scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[Jeff Coffler]

Hi bglad,


fuzzyT - unsynched. It's a hotel, the idea is eventually to have one in
every room


I'd probably have separate subnets per every x rooms (perhaps per floor or 
something), with a separate SlimServer per subnet.  This has a host of 
advantages, the most significant being: A broadcast storm would be 
contained, and wouldn't bring your entire network to it's heals.  You also 
have easy, discrete control over what client connects to what server 
(without mucking with it at boot time).


As others have said, NAS that's anything remotely affordable is slower than 
local drives.  So I'd just use rsync to syncronize the data between systems. 
Thus, if you add something or change something on a "master" system, it 
would just get copied over to the others at night or something.


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[slim] Re: any messages for auntie (BBC)?

[Paul Webster]

Re streaming - they used to offer an Ogg feed so they had/have the
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[slim] Re: 125 Mbps router

[CavesOfTQLT]

MrC Wrote: 
> FYI: as a data point, I'm able to leave on the "turbo" feature of the
> belkin pre-n (although its not called turbo for this unit).
I concur with MrC, my Belkin-PreN is on Turbo mode and, since the UPnP
situation, has performed impeccably with the SB2.


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[slim] Re: Wake up slimserver (Wake-on LAN) through wireless network

[MrC]

Sorry, that comment was meant for Windows.  Different platforms, as
you've noticed, have different rules.


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[slim] Re: Network adapter reconnects every 23 minutes

[MrC]

The dropped connection seems more like loss of link or link changes. 
Here's some troubleshooting for you:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=325487

Re: DHCP - I like controlling most settings in one place, but like the
static IP.  So I use static assignments for DHCP.  Best of both
worlds.

Its fairly common for 2 hour DHCP leases.  After 1/2 that time, a lease
renewal would occur.  But that IP address would typically remain the
same, and would not cause the error message being seen.


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Re: [slim] Re: Need Australian female voice talent

[Victor Brilon]

I have a friend who used to be in the voice-over business. He does  
the most ridiculously good Sean Connery impression (as well as Ross  
Perot). Want his number? :)


Victor

On Nov 11, 2005, at 12:11 PM, seanadams wrote:



bishopdonmiguel Wrote:

I'd like to spice up our phone system a bit...


I think you should go with a Monty Python-esque man impersonating
Australian female voice thing.  It would be much funnier, Bruce.


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- The MoviePhone guy
- The Fry's guy
- The Crocodile Hunter
- Sean Connery
- the elusive fish voice


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[slim] Re: Need Australian female voice talent

[Patrick Dixon]

But Americans can't tell English 'accents' from Australian anyway!


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[slim] Re: Wake up slimserver (Wake-on LAN) through wireless network

[Daniel Cohen]

On 11/11/05 at 08:17 -0800, MrC wrote

It is commonly acccepted that users should not enable automatic
sleep/hibernate when using their systems as servers.


As far as I can tell, on my Mac running SlimServer actually prevents 
Energy Saver from putting the machine to sleep. I can do so manually 
from a menu or from the command-line. The only reason I know about 
the command-line is that I have a script to send the machine to 
sleep, and I can use execute.pm to put it to sleep from the SB.

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[slim] Re: SB3 Backlog

[MrC]

If this helps anyone with their anticipation, under similar
circumstances:  Here are the details of my order:

Order: 10/27
Approved:  10/28
Shipment conf: 11/10 (for 11/11 arrival)
Arrival:   11/11, 10:16am.


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[slim] Re: 125 Mbps router

[MrC]

seanadams Wrote: 
> Right now we are looking into an issue where Squeezebox does not connect
> to these "turbo" networks - for the time being you may need to disable
> the turbo feature.
FYI: as a data point, I'm able to leave on the "turbo" feature of the
belkin pre-n (although its not called turbo for this unit).


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[slim] Re: scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[ceejay]

radish Wrote: 
> I'd think you'd want a number of server boxes with their own local
> drives mirroring the data. Disk throughput will be an issue and any NAS
> solution vaguely affordable will be slower than local disks.

True, but what we mean by "affordable" might change if you're buying
200 SB3s!  Without speculating about the kind of price break Slim might
give for this quantity, lets say $25k for the SBs - in which case $10k -
$15k on the servers and storage might seem sensible - especially if
you're looking for a robust environment (hotel guests hate seeing
gadgets that don't work, its much worse than not having them at all).

In which case, why not configure 3 or 4 Linux blades linked up to a
shared storage infrastructure?

And where is this hotel, and can we all get a discount? 

Ceejay.


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[slim] Re: any messages for auntie (BBC)?

[bglad]

xml feeds: can you suggest a best-of-breed site that offers a large
collection of material in a highly usable way? it would be easiest to
tell them 'look at xyz.com'


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[slim] Re: scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[MrC]

Indeed - get enough hardware.  If you care about your guests, you
wouldn't want them to suffer dropouts while someone searches the
library, for example.

Curious, is broadcasting music this way in a commercial environment
legal where you live?  Sure wouldn't want the music-police to visit
your place and drop a suit on you!


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[slim] Re: Need Australian female voice talent

[seanadams]

bishopdonmiguel Wrote: 
> > I'd like to spice up our phone system a bit... 
> 
> I think you should go with a Monty Python-esque man impersonating
> Australian female voice thing.  It would be much funnier, Bruce.

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- The MoviePhone guy 
- The Fry's guy
- The Crocodile Hunter
- Sean Connery
- the elusive fish voice


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[slim] Re: Network adapter reconnects every 23 minutes

[oreillymj]

Am I correct in thinking that using DHCP to assign an IP address to
something which is going to be used as a server is still a bad thing
even with technology like Rendezvous & mDNS.

Anything which is going to be a server (your SB is a client) should
have a static IP.

Now I'd be surprised if your router is set to renew leases every 1/2
hour but you never know.

Have you swapped around any network cables during your SB3 install?
I know that 2 identical looking cables can have competely different
behavior. You could have swapped in 1 with a dodgy connection.


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[slim] Re: SB3 Backlog

[seanadams]

ChrisB Wrote: 
> Just to remind Sean to do this :-)

Will post after 5PM PST.


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[slim] Re: any messages for auntie (BBC)?

[radish]

hickinbottoms Wrote: 
> MP3 would be much better than Real, but still isn't really 'free'.
> People
> who care about such things (like the Slashdot crowd) demand Ogg, but
> that's
> not nearly as widely supported (especially by portable players). MP3
> would
> be the best compromise, I feel.
> 
> Stuart
> 

I see no reason they couldn't do both...but yes, mp3 would be the
choice for single format support.

> so we need a single xml feed listing all podcasts (& 'listen again'
> shows) ?
Ideally, yes. Last time I tried (a little while ago I admit) I could
use the website to find podcasts, but then I had to copy  the RSS links
into a podcast application (slimserver, or itunes or whatever) one by
one. Other sites have single lists with everything, some even have Top
10 or categorized lists. Makes it much easier, and fully automated -
which after all is the point of podcasts.

Also, there should be no distinction between "listen again" and
podcasts, the data is the same it's just a different presentation. They
should merge these confusing offerings into a single service which
allows access to past shows in a number of formats - both podcasted and
direct streaming for immediate listening.


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Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770

[Richie]

Michael,

I tried resizing the gifs in the images folder, to make the icons for
play, add etc. a little larger but it didn't make any difference. Are
they resized in the html somewhere?

Thanks

Richard
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[slim] Re: Need Australian female voice talent

[bishopdonmiguel]

> I'd like to spice up our phone system a bit... 

I think you should go with a Monty Python-esque man impersonating
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[slim] Re: New SB placement

[radish]

> I'm assume the uprated DACs in the SB2/3 only come into effect for the
> analogue stage

Yes. Provided you don't have issues with buffering etc, I would think
that an SB1 over SPDIF would be very comparable to an SB3 over SPDIF.


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RE: [slim] Re: SB3 Backlog

[Chris Brooking]

Just to remind Sean to do this :-)

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We shipping a good qty now, and by tomorrow we should be down to only
2-3 days of backlog.  Tomorrow I'll post the exact dates through which
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[slim] Re: Network adapter reconnects every 23 minutes

[radish]

Risko Wrote: 
> i apologize, i should've put more specifics about my setup in my first
> post. everything in my setup is wired, pc to router, sb3 to router. the
> router is wireless, but all slim components are hot wired. sorry.

Well in that case I'm truly stumped! I will say however, in agreement
with others, that I really can't think of a way SS could be causing
this (particularly as it happens when it's not running). But anything's
possible I guess...  Have you tried restarting the router?


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[slim] Re: Pandora.com

[N�stor]

ouch...

tried the site, after what seemed years I got to enter some songs. As I
needed my daily Piazzolla fix, entered some songs, they werent 
recognized , so I went for some worldwide known one from him, and typed
Libertango...

After lots of waiting I was greeted with some "Samba" by Bond...

Im back with Softsqueeze streaming from home ...   :-)


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[slim] Need Australian female voice talent

[seanadams]

I'd like to spice up our phone system a bit... 

Looking for a professional who can record approx 20 minutes of
announcements/menus, and be available in the future for updates.

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[slim] 125 Mbps router

[octavian]

Does Squeeze box work OK with 125 Mbps router and are there any
advantages over 56 Mbps?


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[slim] Re: Network adapter reconnects every 23 minutes

[Risko]

i apologize, i should've put more specifics about my setup in my first
post. everything in my setup is wired, pc to router, sb3 to router. the
router is wireless, but all slim components are hot wired. sorry.


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Re: [slim] Does upgrading Apache help? and how can i arrange the new music view?

[kdf]

On 11-Nov-05, at 5:22 AM, SAS_James wrote:



I tried 6.5b but it crashed my system and couldn't find my squeeze box.
so i went back to 6.2.0

Don't use 6.5 for production systems.  6.2.1 builds are the stable 
choice.

-k

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[slim] Re: scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[seanadams]

bglad Wrote: 
> fuzzyT - unsynched. It's a hotel, the idea is eventually to have one in
> every room
> 
> thanks sean - presumably one could also run two or more separate
> slimserver boxes sharing a nas drive?

Wouldn't recommend low-end NAS for this - much slower than a PC.


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[slim] Re: darkice/icecast/slimserver6.2 problem

[Maditude]

> I have a setup for streaming fm radio to my sqeezeboxes similar to
that described here:
[snip]
> Any ideas, anybody?

Sorry, I don't.  But I'm curious to find out what you're using for the
fm-tuner on your 'bsd box.


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[slim] Re: scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[bglad]

fuzzyT - unsynched. It's a hotel, the idea is eventually to have one in
every room

thanks sean - presumably one could also run two or more separate
slimserver boxes sharing a nas drive?


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[slim] New SB placement

[Chris Brooking]

Semi-audiophile question!

I'm waiting on two of the new SB3's.  Currently, I have two SB1's - one
in the lounge, one in the family room.  The lounge one is hooked up
using the onboard DAC to an analogue amp, the family room is hooked up
to my HT receiver, via the digital out.  Obviously, one of the new SB3's
will be going in the lounge to replace the SB1, but I'd like to put the
other new one in the kitchen, because the new form factor will suit the
kitchen better.  From an audio point of view, am I sacrificing much by
keeping the older SB1 in family room (much better listening environment
than the kitchen), or would I really benefit from having the other SB3
there?  I'm assume the uprated DACs in the SB2/3 only come into effect
for the analogue stage.  I stream high-bitrate mp3 exclusively.

Cheers,

Chris
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[slim] Re: scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[seanadams]

I don't think 40 would be a problem, but at some point approaching 200
units, the streaming workload would probably need to be managed
differently. The solution might be to hand that off to apache, possibly
on another machine. This used to be a fairly easy hack in slimserver but
I'm not sure what it takes to do it now - will let the server gurus
comment. Also there are load balancing techniques for running multiple
SlimServer processes on one machine. If they're streaming internet
radio that will take significant load off, as this data comes straight
from the internet.

Anything is possible, but it's hard to say what specific issues might
come up, as I don't know of a customer installation of more than 40
units. If you run into any problems bringing up this installation, we
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Re: [slim] scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[ron thigpen]

bglad wrote:
do you know anyone who has run 40 squeezeboxes on one server? 


synch'd, unsynch'd or mixed?
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Re: [slim] Re: How to reliably/easily backup 100Gb of FLACs?

[Jim Dibb]

One small point about cost.  RAID1 has the smallest buy in, but
$/MB is more expensive than RAID5 (as long as the R1 and R5 controllers
are about the same price.)

Finally a subject that's in my area of professional expertise, rather than hobbyist interest.On 11/11/05, Dan Goodinson <
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sure if useful to you, but the RAID setup I have was very cheap
indeed.  I only use RAID 1 (mirroring) so I only need 1 extra
disk for the array, in addition to any disks for actual
backup.  I used a super-cheap RAID add-in controller from
eBuyer: £10 or so.
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[slim] Random Mix and Crossfade

[ctviggen]

I totally do not understand Random Mix.  On my SB2 and Slimserver, when
I select Random Mix and then Random Songs, it selects 17 songs then
quits.  I have the option of replaying those 17 songs or jumping
through hoops to get it to select another 17 songs (i.e., I typically
have to clear the current playlist and have to select something else,
then come back to random).  What I want to have happen is have the
SB2/slimserver keep selecting from my library until every song has been
played.  Is this possible?  Did I set some setting incorrectly?

As for Crossfade, when I select "fade in and fade out", the SB2
basically locks up.  I can't play anything.  I have to deselect "fade
in and fade out", still can't do anything, and then ahve to
unplug/replug the SB2.

I have searched for "random" but there does not seem to be any response
that has my issue.  As for crossfade, there's this post:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17625&highlight=crossfade

But no resolution.  Is "fade in and fade out" operational?

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RE: [slim] Re: any messages for auntie (BBC)?

[Stuart Hickinbottom]

MP3 would be much better than Real, but still isn't really 'free'. People
who care about such things (like the Slashdot crowd) demand Ogg, but that's
not nearly as widely supported (especially by portable players). MP3 would
be the best compromise, I feel.

Stuart

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@stuart - what format should we ask for? i've felt the pain of mplayer &
real, but how should they be streaming? does mp3 work for this? 

@radish - so we need a single xml feed listing all podcasts (& 'listen
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[slim] Re: How to reliably/easily backup 100Gb of FLACs?

[MrC]

clumsyoik Wrote: 
> 
> For a really serious solution, you need to use something like
> rdiff-backup, which will allow you to recover back to an arbitrary
> point in time.
Have you actually tried binary data diffs with large files?  This would
take ages for larger libraries!  And the storage required is almost as
large and sometimes larger than the file itself.  This becomes
tantamount to multiple versions of your backups, so a straight rotate
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[slim] SB2 - unable to connect to wireless

[Miles]

I have two wireless SB2. One works fine, connecting to my home wireless
network (Cisco AP340 802.11b access point). 128bit WEP.

Bought a second SB2. Set it up exactly the same, but it is unable to
connect to the wireless. Well, it has once or twice, but not 90% of the
time. Both are running firmware 26. Have tried on my work's wireless lan
(hardware unknown) and again, it connects once or twice, but mostly not!
That was with no WEP.

Tried factory resets galore and the "1" on the splashscreen to
reprogamme the xilinx chip.

Any known problems that would cause this or do I have a dud unit?
Nothing sounds loose inside. The wired side works fine.


I really don't want to have to send it back because I wanted the SB2
rather than SB3 (fits in my hi fi stack better). However, I don't want
to hang on to this too long if it is faulty to avoid hassles with the
vendor. (I'm in the UK).

Thanks

Miles


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[slim] Re: Wake up slimserver (Wake-on LAN) through wireless network

[MrC]

SB2 has a very large buffer, so the music can continue to play after
server shutdown, until the buffer is exhausted.  You'll see no screen
updates, because that's controlled via the server.  Remember that
contstant network activity I mentioned, even duing native WMA playback?

I believe what has changed is that the newer firmware has reduced the
load on the server in general.  Windows is finding very little
activity, and therefore goes into its sleep countdown.

It is commonly acccepted that users should not enable automatic
sleep/hibernate when using their systems as servers.

Keeping the web connection open and auto refreshing on the server does
keep the server alive.  But as you noted, the server will never
shutdown.

Perhaps herein lies hints to the solution for you.  With KDFs
Execute.pm plugin, you could configure it to open the web browser to
keep the server alive, and use it again to close the web browser when
you turn on your SB2.  Alternatively, you could use a utility to change
your power profile in the same fashion as above; you'd select your Never
Off profile when playing music, and revert to your previous power
profile when done.


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[slim] scaling a slimserver to 40+ squeezeboxes

[bglad]

do you know anyone who has run 40 squeezeboxes on one server? how about
200 s'boxes - is that feasible on one server? i'm assuming that users
won't use the web interface, just the remote control; that all files
are mp3; that all sboxes will be running simultaneously; and that
they're all on a LAN

i'm looking for an idea of the server and network specs. any info or
suggestions much appreciated

thanks
ben


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Re: [slim] Re: Repost?

[Mark Lanctot]

With wired routers, I'd say it doesn't matter 
which one you get.  It's more the features you 
need that will determine what you get.

Even when I couldn't get my SMC2804WBRP-G router 
to work with my SB2 wirelessly, the wired ports 
worked perfectly.

TCM wrote:
> JJZolx Wrote: 
> 
>>But I've always liked the D-Link gear and have  had
excellent results
>>in about a dozen installations, from homes with two
PCs to small
>>offices with up to 10 machines.  Something like the
DI-604 (same one
>>fathom39 recommended in the other thread) on the
following page would
>>be all you need:
>>
>>http://www.dlink.com/products/category.asp?cid=2&sec=0
>>
>>This is a device you can easily buy used off of
eBay:
>>
>>http://search.ebay.co.uk/di-604
> 
> 
> I've had a look at the D-Link DI-604 before, but I
don't know what to
> make of it. It's quite popular in Sweden, but I
can't get a clear
> picture of how good it is. Some people love and some
hate it. At
> Pricerunner http://tinyurl.com/dnfpt
> http://www.pricerunner.com/?ncr=1
> 
> the consumer reviews are very mixed.
> 
> What I was really interested in was to know if any
router suited the
> Squeezebox better then the others or if that didn't
matter at all.
> 
> 

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[slim] Re: any messages for auntie (BBC)?

[bglad]

@stuart - what format should we ask for? i've felt the pain of mplayer &
real, but how should they be streaming? does mp3 work for this? 

@radish - so we need a single xml feed listing all podcasts (& 'listen
again' shows) ?


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[slim] Re: Pandora.com

[malsbury]

agentsmith Wrote: 
> Same here, I think the site has been Slimmed :)Actually, it got "dugg".  I 
> saw that it came up on the front page of
digg.com last night.  I'm sure it got hit pretty hard this morning when
everyone got to work today...

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[slim] Re: Pandora.com

[agentsmith]

radish Wrote: 
> Site didn't work at all for me, so went away. Launching a popup is bad
> enough, but an empty one? Hmmm

Same here, I think the site has been Slimmed :)


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[slim] Re: How to reliably/easily backup 100Gb of FLACs?

[Michaelwagner]

mflint Wrote: 
> I did also think about buying something like a NSLU2 or Linkstation,
> adding a wireless card and giving it to a neighbour.
Or two routers that can do VPN, give one to a friend, who can then be
pretty much anywhere where they have DSL or cable modems, and you could
send the stuff that way. Removes the requirement that it be a close
neighbour.


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Re: [slim] Re: Pandora.com

[Marc Sherman]

radish wrote:

Site didn't work at all for me, so went away. Launching a popup is bad
enough, but an empty one? Hmmm


Yeah, I can get it working just enough to make it look interesting, but 
right now it's making SlimServer 6.0's performance look snappy. :)


- Marc

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[slim] Re: Broken SB2 ?

[seanadams]

It reprograms the Xilinx logic chip, which handles the clocks, s/pdif,
and DAC interface.  If you remember older computer used to have dozens
of 14-pin or 16-pin chips with 74 part numbers. Modern systems use
programmable chips (CPLDs or FPGAs) in place of these. They are
smaller, less expensive, quicker to design, and allow the circuit to be
reconfigured in software. Kind of like having a custom chip that you can
change whenever you want.


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[slim] Re: Network adapter reconnects every 23 minutes

[radish]

Try disabling windows Zero Conf and using the driver software that came
with your wireless card. It's quite common for the stuff built into XP
to do this - it's looking for other networks which might be "better"
than the one it's connected to.


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