Re: [slim] Can't connect via PocketPC - newbie question

[Michael Herger]

I dropped back to a IE browser and used http://10.0.1.5:9000/Handheld/
(10.0.1.5 is address of server)and recieved page not found.
The server is a Windows/XP Media Center system.
Maybe some app like MCE is using port 9000? I re-installed Slim Server
and no help.


What about Windows' firewall? Did you follow
http://www.slimdevices.com/su_faq.html#networking-firewall ?

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[slim] Re: 802.3af (power over ethernet)?

[kmccourt]

PowerDsine do a range of splitters for use with a range of 'legacy'
(i.e. non 802.3af) equipment. Some of them do 5V/2.2A. 

http://www.powerdsine.com/Products/Midspan/Splitters/

Not sure about compatibility with that Netgear switch or whether you
would need to solder a new plug onto any of them to fit a SB.


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Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[Jack Coates]

>
> Ben Wrote:
>> Doubtless I'm being dense here, but how is Pandora different then
>> Last.FM?
>
> There was a recent article comparing the two just last week.
> http://www.stevekrause.org/steve_krause_blog/2006/01/pandora_and_las.html
>
>

Pandora == Yahoo! or Ask Jeeves, Last.FM == Google or AltaVista.
(Technology-wise, I'm not trying to say that they're backed or owned or
anything.) Two different approaches to the same problem.

I'd like to see what Pandora's classification system thinks of what I'm
listening to right now :)
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/02/07/free_for_the_downloa.html

Great press coverage, though I'll personally be sticking with Last.fm as
it does a better job of matching my taste
(http://www.last.fm/user/Stinkingpig/). I also like that I pay when I use
it  instead of paying for the year up front. Still, I'll keep an eye on
Pandora, as the author's thesis makes sense, and I could see their service
improving at some point.

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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[Pale Blue Ego]

Congrats on the NYT writeup!  Nice article and it should drive immediate
sales.  If you don't watch out the Squeezebox could become the new iPod
- then you'll all be billionaires, end up buying Disney and have no
time to hang on the forums!

Pandora is a great feature, too.  Adding thousands of SB users will
help them continue to fine-tune their service.  As far as a "buy this
CD" feature, it'd be simple for Pandora to send a reminder to your
email or squeezenetwork account.  I could even see a future where you
could set up your Pandora account to automatically ship the CD from
Amazon.

Best of luck with sales and I can't wait to try Pandora through the SB.


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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[andyg]

Kyle Wrote: 
> This upgrade you guys are working on tonight -- will that enable Pandora
> when you're through?  Also, did you force a firmware change?  I had to
> update twice tonight.

This was a major code upgrade to get ready for the Pandora service,
which we expect to have out by the end of the month.

The firmware upgrade on SN was a bug that we fixed.


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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[Dan Sully]

* Kyle shaped the electrons to say...


This upgrade you guys are working on tonight -- will that enable Pandora
when you're through?  Also, did you force a firmware change?  I had to
update twice tonight.


The upgrade is our first step to rolling out Pandora on SqueezeNetwork.

The firmware update was accidental - it's fixed now.

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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[radish]

seanadams Wrote: 
> They would need internet access anyway to pull Pandora steams - can you
> explain in more detail?

I guess it depends on the details of the Pandora protocol, and which
bits are secret (and at this point I'm 100% guessing). I'm assuming
it's a single, persistent stream into which the tracks are played -
much like the stream.mp3 you can get from slimserver. In that case, the
SB connects to the Pandora server via your slimserver just like with a
normal streaming station. When you need to login, choose channels, or
interact in some way (I assume this is the secret bit) the plugin sends
a request to the SN server, which talks over the secure channel to the
Pandora server, which changes what you're listening to. 

Another option is to put the secret stuff in a binary and ship that
with a regular plugin acting as a wrapper - similar to the way closed
drivers are sometimes shipped for Linux. 

And yet another way (which is what was mentioned earlier) is for a
firmware change to allow the SB to transparently switch from local
slimserver to the SN server when you select Pandora. 

I'd be happy with any of those options, and in the last case would be
happy to open up the SBs to the outside world (the other cases wouldn't
need that as the local slimserver proxies for them) - I'm not that
fussy. I guess I just see a firmware change like that being pretty big
and maybe not so fast to happen...whereas plugin stuff tends to move
pretty quick. 

I guess my main point was that the current situation of having to log
out of one server and into another would mean that practically speaking
I'd probably rarely use it - which would be a shame. I know it sounds
lazy but I've had enough troubles getting SBs to connect that I like to
leave them alone once they're working :)


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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[seanadams]

radish Wrote: 
> 
> I guess my main point was that the current situation of having to log
> out of one server and into another would mean that practically speaking
> I'd probably rarely use it - which would be a shame. I know it sounds
> lazy but I've had enough troubles getting SBs to connect that I like to
> leave them alone once they're working :)

Radish, I agree that having to switch modes to use one or the other is
inelegant. However I think the architecture is sound, and we just need
some higher-level polish to make it feel right...


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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[Kyle]

This upgrade you guys are working on tonight -- will that enable Pandora
when you're through?  Also, did you force a firmware change?  I had to
update twice tonight.


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[slim] Can't connect via PocketPC - newbie question

[jasleinstein]

I am a new user of Slim Devices, and I love the product. I plan to buy a
couple more for my home. 

I would like to use the Telcanto software but I can't seem to get it to
connect. 
I dropped back to a IE browser and used http://10.0.1.5:9000/Handheld/
(10.0.1.5 is address of server)and recieved page not found. 
The server is a Windows/XP Media Center system. 
Maybe some app like MCE is using port 9000? I re-installed Slim Server
and no help. 
Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance.


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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[andyg]

Ben Wrote: 
> Doubtless I'm being dense here, but how is Pandora different then
> Last.FM?

There was a recent article comparing the two just last week.
http://www.stevekrause.org/steve_krause_blog/2006/01/pandora_and_las.html


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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[radish]

Firstly, congrats on the NYT mention, and I hope you have warned UPS to
send more trucks :)

The Pandora stuff is interesting. I'm listening now through the flash
player and it's not bad - took almost 10 goes before I found a song or
artist it had heard of but once I got suitably mainstream it was OK.
The only thing that concerns me is that it needs SN, I can understand
why, but although I'm an avid SD fan I don't even have an SN account -
switching servers is a pain and my SBs live on a private subnet with no
internet access. I'd be prepared to let them see the outside world, but
the transition from my local server to SN has to be seamless.

Can't you just create a regular server plugin with a closed source
component to handle the secret bits (native compiled)? Or have a plugin
which talks directly to the SN server and has it do the secret stuff?
Gotta be a way around this :)


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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[seanadams]

radish Wrote: 
> Firstly, congrats on the NYT mention, and I hope you have warned UPS to
> send more trucks :)
> 
> The Pandora stuff is interesting. I'm listening now through the flash
> player and it's not bad - took almost 10 goes before I found a song or
> artist it had heard of but once I got suitably mainstream it was OK.
> The only thing that concerns me is that it needs SN, I can understand
> why, but although I'm an avid SD fan I don't even have an SN account -
> switching servers is a pain and my SBs live on a private subnet with no
> internet access. I'd be prepared to let them see the outside world, but
> the transition from my local server to SN has to be seamless.
> 
> Can't you just create a regular server plugin with a closed source
> component to handle the secret bits (native compiled)? Or have a plugin
> which talks directly to the SN server and has it do the secret stuff?
> Gotta be a way around this :)

They would need internet access anyway to pull Pandora steams - can you
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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[Ben]

Doubtless I'm being dense here, but how is Pandora different then
Last.FM?

Ben


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[slim] Re: Shiny front panel

[Pale Blue Ego]

Kyle Wrote: 
> Heck, just get an SB2.  It's flat black and has the same functionality. 
> You can find 'em on ebay.

I probably would have ordered 1 SB2 and 1 SB3 if I could have gotten
them for $200 each.  The 100off2 promotion only applied to the SB3; I
also didn't need the wireless capability and the only new SB2s are
wireless.  eBay was a thought, but then the single SB3 would've cost me
$50 more.

It's not a huge deal.  I'll try living with it, and if I decide to
change it, I'm sure it will cost a lot less than $50.


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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[Chris Kantarjiev]

$36/year? Bah. I have to upgrade my Squeezebox, too! :-)

Congrats. I've wanted this since I first saw pandora (and I'm sure
I'm not the only person who wrote to both companies saying so...)

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Re: [slim] Re: Slimserver for new intel based macs?

[dean blackketter]

The .exe is there, but the Mac that does the builds appears to be  
wedged.


I'll take a look tomorrow.  Sorry for the delay.

-dean

On Feb 8, 2006, at 9:14 PM, kdf wrote:



On 8-Feb-06, at 8:26 PM, dalerb wrote:



SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-08.ZIP
SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-08.no-cpan-arch.tar.gz
SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-08.tar.gz
SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-08_perlscripts.ZIP

What am I going for?

for osx, you'd want the dmg file, which appears to be missing at  
this time. (as does the exe)

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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[seanadams]

snarlydwarf Wrote: 
> 
> There's a reason I have a nice ass-shaped dent in the couch.

So tell her to get up and bring a beer to your listening room!


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Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[dean blackketter]

On Feb 8, 2006, at 8:57 PM, EnochLight wrote:



For the time being I can't seem to log into Squeeze Network to  
create an

account,
We're in the middle of an upgrade right now.  Try again in an hour or  
so.




so I tried the demo on Pandora's homepage.  All I can say is -
I love it!  Can't wait to try this on my Squeezebox, and $36 is a  
steal

for such power.
We've been using it here at home with the Squeezebox for a few days  
and it's really quite incredible.



Rawk on Slim Devices!


(...slides across room in stocking feet playing air guitar)

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Re: [slim] Re: Slimserver for new intel based macs?

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On 8-Feb-06, at 8:26 PM, dalerb wrote:



SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-08.ZIP
SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-08.no-cpan-arch.tar.gz
SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-08.tar.gz
SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-08_perlscripts.ZIP

What am I going for?

for osx, you'd want the dmg file, which appears to be missing at this 
time. (as does the exe)

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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[snarlydwarf]

andyg Wrote: 
> This is all there, just wait. :)  Try out the Pandora flash player to
> get some idea how it works.

I have, but it's annoying to play music at the pc. :)

There's a reason I have a nice ass-shaped dent in the couch.


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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[EnochLight]

For the time being I can't seem to log into Squeeze Network to create an
account, so I tried the demo on Pandora's homepage.  All I can say is -
I love it!  Can't wait to try this on my Squeezebox, and $36 is a steal
for such power.

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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[andyg]

snarlydwarf Wrote: 
> 
> Listen to track by Someone Odd, think, "you know, I like this song..."
> and with a couple rightarrows ... hear similar stuff.  No typing with
> the remote, just some arrowing.  (Ie, over in the tags and 'add to
> favorites', throw in a 'find similar stuff' thing.)
> 
> (And the real killer app for something like Pandora or Last.fm... a "I
> like this album, remind me to buy it when I get my ass off the couch"
> button...)

This is all there, just wait. :)  Try out the Pandora flash player to
get some idea how it works.


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Re: [slim] Re: Shiny front panel

[Mark Lanctot]

But the front panel is metal, not plastic...

I'm thinking chemical blackener might work.

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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[snarlydwarf]

And you're not the one who can change their protocols, I know...

If they're streaming mp3's, then really, the only 'gotcha' is the
authentication method.  It would be nice (for them, though admittedly
it would give less of a lead to Slimdevices) to have it something like
the last.fm or xm stuff: authenticate with http somehow and that gives
you a magic-tokenized url.

Though there would be a neato side benefit to Slim this way...

Listen to track by Someone Odd, think, "you know, I like this song..."
and with a couple rightarrows ... hear similar stuff.  No typing with
the remote, just some arrowing.  (Ie, over in the tags and 'add to
favorites', throw in a 'find similar stuff' thing.)

(And the real killer app for something like Pandora or Last.fm... a "I
like this album, remind me to buy it when I get my ass off the couch"
button...)

That's something that would warm even the cold hearts at RIAA. :P


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[slim] Re: Slimserver for new intel based macs?

[dalerb]

kdf Wrote: 
> haggaret wrote:
> > Tried starting slimserver on my new intel based iMac and got the
> > following error:
> >
> > "You cannot open SlimServer preferences pane on this computer.
> Contact
> > the developer of this software for a newer version."
> >
> > Any plans to develop a slimserver for the new macs?
> >
> >
> >   
> already done, download the latest nightly build:
> http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads/nightly/latest/
> 
> Best to start with 6.2.2, as 6.5 is experimental
> 
> -kdf

I'm quite new to the Mac (just received my iMac this very day, in
fact), so I have to ask a stupid question: what exactly do I need to
download from the 6.2.2 nightly build page and what do I do with it to
get the Slim server up and running?

I see these choices:

SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-08.ZIP
SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-08.no-cpan-arch.tar.gz
SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-08.tar.gz
SlimServer_6_2_x_v2006-02-08_perlscripts.ZIP

What am I going for?

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[slim] Re: Shiny front panel

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Not just any paint.. ideall you want vinyl dye. I think it's Krylon that
has their new stuff called "Fusion". It's designed for plastics. What it
and vinyl dye do are soak into the plastic to permanently color it.
Standard spray paint only sticks to the surface and can flake off. If
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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[Kyle]

Will Pandora be fee-based or free?  It looks like they offer both.


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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[seanadams]

Kyle Wrote: 
> Will Pandora be fee-based or free?  It looks like they offer both.

90 days free for Squeezebox owners. After that, subscribe for $36/yr.
Pandora's ad-supported offering is new, so we have to wait and see...

To put it in perspective, $36 is two CDs.  :)


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Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[Josef Shvejk]

On 2/8/06, seanadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Among our longer-term goals is to make theSqueezeNetwork vs SlimServer distinction irrelevant/invisible, so
you'll just get whatever you want to listen to without worrying aboutwhere it's coming from.
 
Perfect. I already can't wait for this feature :)
 
 
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Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[Josef Shvejk]

On 2/8/06, andyg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's a SqueezeNetwork-only feature because the interface to Pandora isproprietary.  SN allows us to write closed-source plugins that can take
advantage of things that wouldn't be possible in the open source server.
 
I know SlimServer is open source, but firmware is not.
Could it be done is firmware (hypothetically)?
 
BTW XMRadio interface is proprietary as well...
 
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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

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All of Pandora's mp3 files are 128k.


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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[Kyle]

What is the quality of the stream?


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[slim] Re: Shiny front panel

[MeridianMan]

I was thinking about doing the same thing.  The silver stands out among
my black Meridian 500 series equipment.  SB3 is right sized, just need
to try toning down the bling.  Let me know how it goes and what type of
paint you try (too cold here to paint outside yet and the fumes would
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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[seanadams]

shvejk Wrote: 
> 
> 
> A SqueezeNetwork feature? Interesting.
> Can you give us more details? 

It's really simple. You'll add your pandora account in Squeezenetwork
settings, and then from the Squeezebox UI you'll see "Pandora Radio" at
the top level. Press right and choose to either view your stations or
create a new one by searching for artists or songs.

You can skip tracks and rate songs up or down, much the same as
Pandora's flash interface.

> Server based DRM support?

It's not DRM in the usual sense, but yes there are reasons why we
probably won't put this in SlimServer. Pandora uses standard mp3
streaming with no encryption, because (as i understand it) their deal
with the record companies makes them more like an internet radio
provider rather than a music store (really smart).

> 
> And please, improve the SqueezeNetwork - SlimServer login/logout
> interface.
> It is far from being slick.
> 

Point well taken. Among our longer-term goals is to make the
SqueezeNetwork vs SlimServer distinction irrelevant/invisible, so
you'll just get whatever you want to listen to without worrying about
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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

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It's a SqueezeNetwork-only feature because the interface to Pandora is
proprietary.  SN allows us to write closed-source plugins that can take
advantage of things that wouldn't be possible in the open source server.


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Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[Josef Shvejk]

On 2/8/06, seanadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's a SqueezeNetwork feature, so you'll need SB2 or SB3. I can't
 
A SqueezeNetwork feature? Interesting.
Can you give us more details? Server based DRM support?
 
And please, improve the SqueezeNetwork - SlimServer login/logout interface. It is far from being slick.
 
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[slim] Slimserver won't start on new laptop

[Kyle]

I just installed Slimserver on a laptop that I just reformatted to
Windows XP Pro.  The install seemed to go OK, but when I try to start
Slimserver, it just blinks in the system tray and will not start.  I
had no problems at all on my other XP machine.  Please help.


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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[seanadams]

Thanks guys!  Pandora is going to be huge - no doubt the biggest thing
to happen to music since Napster. 

If you haven't tried it yet, just go to http://www.pandora.com and
punch in a song you like. It pretty much blew my mind the first time I
used it, and it just keeps getting better as you make more stations and
fine-tune them.

More details coming on the exact launch schedule... it's really close
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[slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora

[sleepysurf]

GREAT article.  My kudos as well to Sean, and the entire Slim team. 
Just hoping the upcoming "run" on Squeezeboxes won't overwhelm the tech
support guy(s) with the usual... "Help, I can't connect to my wireless
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Re: [slim] NY times/ Pandora

[Chris Laplante]

Nice,

Is this a hardware only trick, or will it work with all slim players?
(softsqueeze et al)

-Chris

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> Congratulations this is truly fantastic.
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[slim] NY times/ Pandora

[Scott]

Congratulations this is truly fantastic.

sb

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/09/technology/circuits/09pogue.html


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[slim] Re: Weird problem with various artist tracks

[benthos]

ceejay Wrote: 
> So, what IS in the Artist tag?  If its blank, Slimserver might be doing
> its best to guess: see Server Settings / Formatting / Guess Tags
> Formats.
> 

well, for example, the track 

Nelstone's Hawaiians - Fatal Flower Garden from Various - Anthology of
American Folk Music Vol. 1 - Disc 1A (Ballads) by new

has "Nelstone's Hawaiians - Fatal Flower Garden" under Artist, and
nothing under "Title".   I will try playing around with this Guess Tags
option.

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[slim] Yet Another Home NAS Solution:Yellowbox Terabyte NAS

[stel27]

I've been following the buzz around here about Infrant's readynas
products and ran across this cheaper, well reviewed terabyte
alternative at a local Fry's for $699.00(!):

ANTHOLOGY TERABYTE NAS
Specifications:

* 1TB or 1.6TBs Network Attached Storage (NAS) capacity ($699
for the 1TB)
* RAID levels 5, 1+0, 0 and 1
* Four enterprise quality IDE hard disk drives each with its own
master disk controller
* Advanced airflow design so system runs cool
* Auto backup* (of network clients)
* Serial port for UPS
* Expandable storage (via "Daisy-chaining")

Secure Networking Features

* 8-port 10/100Mbps Ethernet LAN switch
* 1 WAN port (100Mbps) for DSL/cable modem
* Double firewall (NAT and SPI) for Internet gateway
* DHCP services
* HTTP, NFS, FTP and Telnet services
* Proxy server
* Web Access Control (URL blocking)
* User-defined access and permissions
* Monitor and record e-mail traffic

Easy to Use Features

* All-in-one compact design ("shoebox-sized")
* Easy to set-up and manage
* Easy to add PCs to the network
* Web-based administration
* Support for most browsers (IE, Safari®, Firefox®, Netscape®,
Mozilla)
* Optimized operating system

Network Client Support

* Windows® 2000, XP, 2003
* Mac OS X, Tiger or newer
* Unix or Linux via NFS

Physical Specifications

* Power consumption: 200 Watts
* AC power: 95-132V / 190-264V
* FCC Class B, UL, MIC, and CE Certified
* Physical Size (in.): 5.5(w) x 7.9(h) x 12.1(l)
* Product weight with 4 HDDs: 14 lbs. (approx)
* Shipping weight with 4 HDDs: 17.5 lbs. (approx)
* Operating temperature: 32-95°F, 0-35°C
* Non-operating temperature: ~14-122°F, ~10-50°C
* Operating humidity: 90% max., non-condensing
* Vibration with package: 5-200MHz, 1Grms, 30min/each pole (x,y,z)
* Acoustic noise (sound pressure level): Idle: 36dBA / Operating:
45dBA

Here's the link to the $699 deal at Fry's:
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4633698#detailed


Here's the link to the manufaturer's web site:
http://www.anthologysolutions.com/products/

Apparent downsides - no gigabyte ethernet; IDE (Not SATA) drives not
hot swappable; NAS OS (some flavor of emedded linux) not yet GPL'd. It
does have an 8 port switch, however, and the company has promised on
it's forums that they will soon release the sourcecode for the NAS OS. 
These devices can also be daisy chained together.  I wonder how the
real-world speed difference in IDE vs SATA read/write times would play
out in otherwise similar NAS devices, and if  gigabyte ethernet would
make that much of a speed difference for primarily audio (slimserving)
streaming/storage/delivery. 

Anyone have any experience with the Yellow Box?  According to the
(hardly comprehensive) smattering of reviews I've come across, these
Anthology devices seem to fall in quality between Buffalo and Infrant's
respective lines.

For the price they look pretty damned sweet, IMO and looks like a  nice
match for a the Squeezebox owner seeking an affordable and reliable HABB
(Home Audio Bit Bucket).   

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[slim] Yahoo! Unlimited streams to devices (Squeezebox?)

[realtyler]

Hi there...sorry if this has been asked and answered already, but I
couldn't find it.

Yahoo! has rev'ed their Unlimited service, and one of the new features
is streaming music to supported devices, of which Roku is one, and the
D-Link DSM-320 is.

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/music/yme/network/network-54461.html

Any ideas if the Squeeze will be one of these?

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[slim] Shiny front panel

[Pale Blue Ego]

New SB3 works great (love the DTS capability), but it sure sticks out in
my all-black component rack.  It even distracts from TV watching to some
extent.  

I'll try living with it for a few weeks, but my first thought was to
get a can of flat black spray paint.

I like the look of the SB3, but it does stick out in some
installations.  I wish there was a non-reflective interchangable panel,
and that may be something to consider for the next gen player.

Aesthetics matter to many people, and I'd hate to think Slim was losing
some sales because of this issue.

If I do paint the silver panel, I'll let you guys know how it turns
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[slim] Re: Choppy play on Synched SB3 + 2x SB2s causes Synch delays/Unsynched

[ajmitchell]

Hi all, 

I borrowed a friends SB1 with my Sb2's and like the Sb1's I sold
(surprise surprise) they worked flawlessly. The bottom line is its only
my SB3 that doesn't work and then only wirelessly. It seems to have a
problem both on its own and synched with others. I read another post
about faulty internal cards.could this be the answer. I cannot do
much with it and think I will send it back; unless others can help??

I am disappointed because I wanted to buy 3-4 more SB3s and now can't
see this as an option.

Alex


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Re: [slim] 802.3af (power over ethernet)?

[andreas]

bonkabonka wrote:

I'm contemplating getting a Netgear FS108P switch which has 4 power over
ethernet ports.  I'm curious, however, as to whether or not I can use
the powered ports to drive my Squeezeboxen.  I've got an original
Squeezebox and a Squeezebox 2 for what it's worth.  I seem to recall
reading somewhere (perhaps in the original documentation that I can't
lay my hands on at the moment) that it was possible but Googling and
forum searching didn't reveal anything.


None of the Squeezeboxen supports PoE.
Accoding to Netgear website the FS108P supplies PoE according to 802.3af 
(48VDC) and
has auto-sensing for it, so you'd have to have some 802.3af compliant 
end-device to
recieve the power and then convert it to something the SB can handle, which is 
like 5V/2A

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[slim] Re: Re: Could not Import songs with Chinese titiles in SLIMSERVERS 6.5

[Dan Sully]

* Josef Shvejk shaped the electrons to say...


This should work - we have a bunch of test files that do.

Hi Dan,

Can you confirm that foreign chars in file names are not suported?
Or is there a way to make Slimserver to import the files?


Non-Latin characters in file names are supported if your Windows instance is
using another language entirely - such as Japanese. We've had reports of that
working. However, having non-latin file names in a latin (English, French,
etc) Windows doesn't work.

This is not an issue on OS X or Unix/Linux platforms.

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Re: [slim] Re: Could not Import songs with Chinese titiles in SLIMSERVERS 6.5

[Josef Shvejk]

On 2/8/06, Dan Sully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This should work - we have a bunch of test files that do.
Hi Dan,
 
Can you confirm that foreign chars in file names are not suported?
Or is there a way to make Slimserver to import the files?
 
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[slim] Re: Scroll Custom Text?

[NJSal]

I finally got it to work!!

I re-saved the file directly from you link. Then edited it in
Dreamweaver, then re-started the SlimServer service. After doing that,
the plugin showed up, and I can alter it via my text file.

I just wanted to everyone that helped with this request of mine. Sorry
it took so long to figure out, but I truly appreciate your patience and
your help.

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[slim] Re: New Poll: What MULTILPE Squeezebox combination are you running

[Kevin O. Lepard]

A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20660

Question: SLIMP3 more than one
   
- SLIMP3 (more than one)

- SLIMP3 + More recent SBs
- SB1s (more than one)
- SB1s + SB2s
- SB1s + SB3s
- SB2s (more than one)
- SB2s + Sb3s
- SB3s (more than one)



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1 Squeezebox 1 (Graphics version)
3 Squeezebox 2's
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[slim] 802.3af (power over ethernet)?

[bonkabonka]

I'm contemplating getting a Netgear FS108P switch which has 4 power over
ethernet ports.  I'm curious, however, as to whether or not I can use
the powered ports to drive my Squeezeboxen.  I've got an original
Squeezebox and a Squeezebox 2 for what it's worth.  I seem to recall
reading somewhere (perhaps in the original documentation that I can't
lay my hands on at the moment) that it was possible but Googling and
forum searching didn't reveal anything.

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[slim] Re: New Poll: What MULTILPE Squeezebox combination are you running

[walt]

A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20660

Question: SLIMP3 more than one

- SLIMP3 (more than one)
- SLIMP3 + More recent SBs
- SB1s (more than one)
- SB1s + SB2s
- SB1s + SB3s
- SB2s (more than one)
- SB2s + Sb3s
- SB3s (more than one)


1 x handmade Slimp3 (12/100)
1 x regular Slimp3

looking for an excuse to buy an additional SB3 ... but my wife  ;-)


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[slim] Re: FLAC strangeness

[nicktf]

Sounds like the front end is looking for a file or registry entry. It's
not finding one or t'other, so Windows Installer is firing up a known
source for the file to restore it/reregister it. Just click the OK -
you won't get the full Office install, it'll just restore/fix what it
needs.

I've seen the 1st use of the VB runtime files trigger a Frontpage
install, and this is similar.

Of course, if you've never had office on your machine, then I'd be a
mite concerned.


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Re: [slim] Songbird Is Out

[ron thigpen]

Yes, they've been "Dugg" (or "Slashdugg", your preference).

There's a bunch of discussion, and also links to some mirrors of the 
installer, at the Digg page.




BTW, this is the v0.1.0 release, and all proper disclaimers and 
expectation controls were apparently exercised.  There's even a fat, 
black, little cartoon bird mascot depicted in post-nosedive "splat" 
posture. And yet, predictably, there are many comments about the current 
state of quality.


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Re: [slim] Songbird Is Out

[Robin Bowes]

ron thigpen said the following on 02/08/2006 04:22 PM:
> Mark Lanctot wrote:
> 
>> I haven't been able to get this site to load this morning.
> 
> 
> I'm getting simple connection timeouts.  Most likely just load from the
> hordes wanting to download the app.  (There's a highly ranked mention on
> Digg).

>From the site:

Ouch

We're experiencing too high of a load

Songbird 0.1 for Windows (link)

R.

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Re: [slim] Screensaver Functionality

[kdf]

On 7-Feb-06, at 11:58 PM, saltydog4791 wrote:



I don't know if this is possible or not.  I have tried searching for 
the

answer but have come up empty.

Is there a way for the screensaver to go away on a track change and
then turn on again.


it is possible, but waiting for someone to patch:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1607
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[slim] Re: Could not Import songs with Chinese titiles in SLIMSERVERS 6.5

[Dan Sully]

* lkypeter shaped the electrons to say...


Tried renaming the files to english name and it did not work either.
However, I went in to the properties of the file and change the title
from chinese to english and it worked. However, this would also mean
that I would lose my ID3 Tag.

I do hope that slimdevices would start putting together a Chinese
language support for the slimserver as well as the squeeze box.

I am not going to change my mp3 files as I would lose info.


Can you please send one of the files with Chinese ID3 tags to dan | at |
slimdevices.com ?

This should work - we have a bunch of test files that do.

The thing that may not work is if the files have an old version of the ID3
tag that is craming Big5 or similar encoding into what is only an ISO-8859-1
space. Our Unicode code tries to guess, but it can only guess so well with
overlapping character sets unless the encoding is explicitly specified as in
ID3v2.4

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Re: [slim] Songbird Is Out

[ron thigpen]

Mark Lanctot wrote:
I haven't been able to get this site to load this 
morning.


I'm getting simple connection timeouts.  Most likely just load from the 
hordes wanting to download the app.  (There's a highly ranked mention on 
Digg).

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Re: [slim] Songbird Is Out

[Mark Lanctot]

I haven't been able to get this site to load this 
morning.  Mostly server resets, although I once 
got a MySQL error.

Is it a problem on my end or are you guys also 
having problems?

I wanted to find out if/how much they were 
charging for the software.

blah509 wrote:
> http://www.songbirdnest.com/
> 
> Now for that Slim integration.hm
> 
> g
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Re: [slim] Re: Songbird Is Out

[ron thigpen]

fairyliquidizer wrote:

I've also read that it's big, fat, and slow.  Is this true?  Experiences
please guys?


AFAIK this is a _very early_ release from this project.  Not sure 
whether they're calling it alpha, beta or whatever, but I would not 
expect a true release level of features or quality at this point.


That being said, I'm pretty excited about the project.

I use a lot of disconnected small tools to create, manage and play my 
music library.  These excel at the small tasks they are designed for, 
but don't really have much in the way of aesthetics when it comes time 
to sit back a enjoy what you've built.  SlimServer is great, but like 
many I have sometimes wanted the UI of a native app.  Songbird looks to 
have some potential in that department.  And the world _really needs_ an 
open alternative to iTunes and it's kin.


So, how could this work with the Squeezeboxes?

I'm pretty sure a SlimServer would still be in the mix.  It drives the 
SBs, implements the CLI, handles firmware updates, synchronization, and 
provides an interface for web and the devices.  Songbird would generate 
the non-web user interface, do extra stuff like podcasts, and use some 
sort of plug-in to communicate to the SS CLI.


The big question in my mind is which application owns the library 
database.  Does Songbird own it and provide linkage to SS (as with 
iTunes today)?  Or does SS own it and provide some sort of data layer 
linkage that Songbird can use to drive its interfaces?


In any case, this app sure looks like a good candidate for a native app 
that could drive the Squeezeboxes.  It'll be interesting to watch it 
mature and see what the community does with it.


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Re: [slim] Re: Scroll Custom Text?

[Michael Herger]

I have full administrative rights to my account.


Please check the rights on the file: if slimserver is running as a  
service, it's using the "SYSTEM" account (or whatever else you defined).  
It therefore has to be readable for "everyone".



Again, perhaps I saved the file incorrectly?


Try to save it directly to disk using a right click on the link (instead  
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[slim] Re: Could not Import songs with Chinese titiles in SLIMSERVERS 6.5

[lkypeter]

Tried renaming the files to english name and it did not work either.
However, I went in to the properties of the file and change the title
from chinese to english and it worked. However, this would also mean
that I would lose my ID3 Tag.

I do hope that slimdevices would start putting together a Chinese
language support for the slimserver as well as the squeeze box.

I am not going to change my mp3 files as I would lose info.

Thanks.

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[slim] Re: Scroll Custom Text?

[NJSal]

I put the file in the server/plugins folder.

I have full administrative rights to my account.

Again, perhaps I saved the file incorrectly? I copied your code into
wordpad, saved it, then changed the exension. And no its not a named
file.pm.txt

I changed the filetype to a .pm

Any other advice?

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[slim] Re: next album button?

[grov]

ceejay Wrote: 
> Thanks - what functions have you mapped those keys to?
> 
> Ceejay

>From my custom.map:


7.hold = modefunction_PLUGIN.RandomPlay::Plugin->tracks
8.hold = modefunction_PLUGIN.RandomPlay::Plugin->albums
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[slim] Re: KEXP archived audio

[Skippy]

MrC, I love you.


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Re: [slim] 6.2.1 Now Playing Gets Stuck

[Mark Lanctot]

...done.

Craig, James (IT) wrote:
> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2510
> 
> Please vote for this - it really needs fixing and it
seems like kdf has
> identified the cause.
> 
> James
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[slim] Re: FLAC strangeness

[fairyliquidizer]

Skunk Wrote: 
> It's never a bad idea to reformat a Windows machine...


Except when you haven't made a backup :-P Or if someone has suggested
that Linux Gaming is where it's at :-D  (This is my idea of humour, it
usually only makes me laugh)


To return to the OP topic. I've never heard of this.  Try a web
based Virus Scan like Trend Housecall.  Otherwise how about using
dBPoweramp or EAC instead.  What are you using the front end for?  (I'm
working on the assumption that a reinstall is an onerous task for you)

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Re: [slim] FLAC strangeness

[Steve Bernard, Jr]

On 2/7/06, oli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In the last couple of days, when opening up the FLAC frontend, a windows
> installer window pops up telling me it is trying to install Microsoft
> Office Professional Edition. Only after cancelling this three times
> does the FLAC frontend open. I have tried running a full suite of
> anti-spyware and virus programmes, defragmenting, and uninstalling and
> re-installing FLAC, but all to no avail.

Is Microsoft Office Professional Edition actually installed on your
system?  If it is, it sounds like you might want to try repairing that
installation.  If it's not, you can try using the Microsoft Windows
Installer CleanUp Utility to clear out the cruft of its installer
that's been left behind.  You can get that tool from
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;290301

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[slim] Re: New Poll: What MULTILPE Squeezebox combination are you running

[gvh]

A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20660

Question: SLIMP3 more than one

- SLIMP3 (more than one)
- SLIMP3 + More recent SBs
- SB1s (more than one)
- SB1s + SB2s
- SB1s + SB3s
- SB2s (more than one)
- SB2s + Sb3s
- SB3s (more than one)


while we are here:
how many of the 6 other sb1 + sb2 people can successfully sync flacs?
(both wired)

(or am I doomed)


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[slim] Re: FLAC strangeness

[Skunk]

It's never a bad idea to reformat a Windows machine...


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[slim] Re: next album button?

[ceejay]

grov Wrote: 
> With the Random Mix plug-in, you can already achieve this (if I've
> understood things correctly). I've got a custom map set-up with
> "press-and-hold" 7,8 or 9 for random tracks, albums or artists. 
> 
> So, I hold down 8 to pick a random album. If Random Mix picks an album
> I don't want to listen to, I just hold down 8 again and get another
> one. Rinse & repeat until I've got something I want to listen to :)

Thanks - what functions have you mapped those keys to?

Ceejay


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[slim] Re: Songbird Is Out

[blah509]

I just started using it this morningso far so good.  Also I was
doing a little digging around and found a link to slimdevices built in
(squeezebox integration...:))  See screenshot


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[slim] Re: Songbird Is Out

[fairyliquidizer]

I've also read that it's big, fat, and slow.  Is this true?  Experiences
please guys?


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[slim] Re: 6.2.1 Now Playing Gets Stuck

[fairyliquidizer]

Ehm except in my case it happens when just browsing the menus.  It only
happens occassionally and I am not transcoding any files and have no
invalid FLACs either.  My files are all native FLAC being played on my
SB3.

I have raised this bug however it's possible that it is related to the
other but the reasoning is different:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2933

I'll vote for yours if you vote for mine :-D


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[slim] Songbird Is Out

[blah509]

http://www.songbirdnest.com/

Now for that Slim integration.hm

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[slim] ExBowse3 German character problem

[drhanso]

Hello,

I'm using the ExBrowse3 skin with Safari in OSX.
If there are special characters in the song title (like a German
umlaut) then the title gets displayed correctly on the left half of the
browser window (where you select from playlists etc.) but not on the
right half (player side). No problem with Fishbone skin.
When using Firefox the right side is ok too in ExBrowse3, so I guess
the culprit is Safari.

-Hans


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[slim] Re: next album button?

[grov]

With the Random Mix plug-in, you can already achieve this (if I've
understood things correctly). I've got a custom map set-up with
"press-and-hold" 7,8 or 9 for random tracks, albums or artists. 

So, I hold down 8 to pick a random album. If Random Mix picks an album
I don't want to listen to, I just hold down 8 again and get another
one. Rinse & repeat until I've got something I want to listen to :)


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[slim] Re: "I want a Squeezebox boombox"

[funkstar]

A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17185

Question: Who wants a Squeezebox Boombox?

- I'm interested.
- No, thanks.


i would be shocked and a little dissapointed if the SlimDevices staff
didn't read all the threads like this. I'm always amazed when you hear
about companies that do not look at their own message boards.


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Re: [slim] Forum/Mailing list problems tonight

[Philip Meyer]

>Exactly! This is the bug I created and it would be good if you could vote
>for it so we can get it fixed. It's annoying to say the least. 
>Threads I'm interested in might be very active but hidden in another
>thread about something completely different...
>
It is very annoying - why can't people just use mail clients ;)

I updated the PR and added myself to the cc list.  I couldn't find a link to 
vote for the bug.

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RE: [slim] 6.2.1 Now Playing Gets Stuck

[Craig, James (IT)]

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2510

Please vote for this - it really needs fixing and it seems like kdf has
identified the cause.

James


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[slim] Re: Audio dropouts during "Search Music" - Possible to increase buffering?

[nico]

Thanks for all those suggestions. So it seems like extending the level
of buffering (somehow) is not an option? (short of SB3 purchase of
course). That's good to know, I won't pursue that avenue any more.

Probably my next move is to try MySQL (I run this on my machine anyway
for other applications). Whether it gets rid of the gap I guess will
all depend on whether or not the code blocks when it submits the SQL
query to the server (hopefully it's async/non-blocking!), and/or, how
long it takes the server to process the query (relative to SQLLite).

Failing that, I guess I will switch to a high bitrate MP3 as you
suggested, at least until the search components are separated.

Regarding comment #5, about tweaking the OS, I have already spent a
little time optimizing this already. There is a write-up here:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20865 Unfortunately,
despite these scheduler tweaks, I could not get rid of the droupouts
resulting from search queries.

Cheers,
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[slim] Re: Weird problem with various artist tracks

[ceejay]

benthos Wrote: 
> 
> When I click on "new", it brings up several of the Various Artists
> recordings I've got.  None of the tags have "new" in the artist name,
> so I can't understand why Slimserver would call the artist for these
> tracks "new".  Also, I found that rescanning the library didn't do any
> good.  Any ideas?
> 
> Chris

So, what IS in the Artist tag?  If its blank, Slimserver might be doing
its best to guess: see Server Settings / Formatting / Guess Tags
Formats.

HTH

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[slim] Re: Audio dropouts during "Search Music" - Possible to increase buffering?

[ceejay]

How to reduce dropouts?

1 - (simple but expensive) - upgrade to an SB3, as you already noted

2 - (a bit of a pain) - switch to using high bit rate MP3s... it is
claimed that 320kbit MP3 is pretty indistinguishable from lossless,
though this of course depends on the rest of your kit, and ears! You
could try a few, though.

3 - (worth a try) - switch to mySQL...  treble's experience in the last
post is interesting, other people have reported improved performance. 
Can't hurt to try it out.

4 - wait - longer term, the code is being separated into different
components which should mean that searching time doesn't interfere so
much with important stuff like playing music

5 - tweak the OS - I note you are running solaris, can you ensure that
slimserver has one of the CPUs to itself?

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[slim] Screensaver Functionality

[saltydog4791]

I don't know if this is possible or not.  I have tried searching for the
answer but have come up empty.

Is there a way for the screensaver to go away on a track change and
then turn on again.  I just love looking at the analog VU on my new
squeezebox 3 but I would love to know the name of the song when the
track changes, and then have it go back to the VU.  Is that even
possible?  It doesn't look like it but I want to make sure anyways.

Thanks to all the great people around here also.  I am in love with my
player all over again, even with it's paltry power supply.  ;)

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