Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
erland wrote: > Since the playlist management in SBS/LMS is a bit limited and most > people seems to use external software to manage their playlist it feels > like there is a need for something better in SBS/LMS. > > Is there anything else than the above you feel is important to take into > consideration if anyone would like to improve the playlist management ? Hi Erland - I do use static playlists but I don't listen to them much anymore since I discovered your Dynamic and SQL Playlist plugins (and when I do play them I play them with the Dynamic Plugin). They've changed how I listen to my music. What would make Dynamic Playlists unbeatable would be if I could do an "add" to a DP that I had currently playing. Let's say that I had searched for and was dynamically playing say The Who but then that gave me the urge for say Led Zep. I'd like to be able to search and optionally add to (not replace) the existing Dynamic playlist. Of course, this would work the exact same way as described if I had started with a genre and wanted to add in another genre. Now that would be awesome. Thanks for asking - Tom Tom Hutcheson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35487 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Volume control number changes, volume does not.
Hello New to the community. I have three SQ3s v3 linked to a vortexbox-based server. Two are wireless, one is wired only. I've recently moved my wired SQ3 to a new location and hooked up some headphones to it. It had previously been feeding a preamp as a line level input, so I had the volume set on max. When I tried it with the headphones, I found that the remote volume controls changes the volume setting on the player, but the actual volume stays the same. In other words, the apparent volume setting displayed will change up and down from muted to 100 and will stay at whatever setting I choose, but the actual volume remains the same - loud. Does this sound like a hardware failure, some mysterious setting I don't know about, or ??? The remote works fine with my other players, so I'm pretty sure it's the player. The other thing I've noticed is that every time I log in and out of mysqueezebox.com it updates the firmware. Is that normal behavior? THX in advance for any feedback BTW, I really love my SQ3s with the vortexbox server. Even my wife can figure out how to use it ;) Mike PDXMike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95005 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Difficulty streaming radioio 192k streams
Thanks for the response. I'm away from home at the moment but will try to resolve this again when I return. Jeff JeffNK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94379 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
Swimmerbird123 wrote: > I have over a hundred static playlists in my library. > > I listen mostly to classical music. When I rip music, I 'dismantle' the > CD contents and store each piece in a separate folder that contains all > the movements for that piece played by that performer. I then store > these folders sorted first by composer, then by type of piece [sonatas, > concertos, symphonies, etc], then by specific piece, finally by specific > performance. Some folders have multiple subfolders [an opera with each > act] some have 30 or more tracks, some have only one track. Thus when > I use the Squeezebox, I never select individual tracks but only folders. > > You to make sure I understand you. Are you saying that you create multiple playlist files ? Or are you saying that you duplicate and rename music files so you have multiple copies of the same file in different folders in the music folder ? erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
cparker wrote: > In answer to your question, the key problem with pushing forward > development of "the experience" is the pitiful lack of opening up the > Jive interface to Third party developers. > > Without any movement on feature requests like; > http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15067 > (Requested in 2009!) development is stuck in the "classic" world. > I completely agree, if they have limited resources they really need to put some focus on making it easy for third party developers to enhance the product and so they can do everything Logitech doesn't have resources to do themselves. The issue is more widespread than just the Jive interface, it's a general API issue where offering a third party API often isn't a priority. However, to give them some credit, they have done some things on the server side with the "onebrowser" API and new scanner API introduced in 7.6 which was a step in the right direction for third party add-ons. cparker wrote: > > In my opinion Logitech have lost direction and just to top it off, it > looks like they are on yet another rebranding exercise to change the > product name again... > Are you talking about the name change to "Logitech Media Server" or something else which I've totally missed ? erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
erland wrote: > To anyone that currently uses static playlists: > 1. How many static playlists do you have for your library ? > 2. Is a static playlist typically something you make, use for a single > event/party and deletes afterwards ? > 3. Is a static playlist typically something you make once and never > change afterwards ? > 4. Can you give some examples of static playlists which you currently > have and use continuously ? (name + when you use them) I have over a hundred static playlists in my library. I listen mostly to classical music. When I rip music, I 'dismantle' the CD contents and store each piece in a separate folder that contains all the movements for that piece played by that performer. I then store these folders sorted first by composer, then by type of piece [sonatas, concertos, symphonies, etc], then by specific piece, finally by specific performance. Some folders have multiple subfolders [an opera with each act] some have 30 or more tracks, some have only one track. Thus when I use the Squeezebox, I never select individual tracks but only folders. For my favorite CDs, I sometimes create a static playlist that 're-assembles' the CD by including all the pieces from the CD in their original order. Most of my static playlists are of this sort, and I never change them. But sometimes I assemble a 'concert' for an evening by including the performances I want in the order I want, and this becomes a static playlist. Some of these I keep for long periods, some only for a few months, some get changed occcasionally by adding new pieces or including a different performer. Swimmer Swimmerbird123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
erland wrote: > To me it feels like my Squeezebox experience hasn't really evolved much > during the last year. In answer to your question, the key problem with pushing forward development of "the experience" is the pitiful lack of opening up the Jive interface to Third party developers. Simple stuff like putting a dynamic button on the now playing screen and when pressed run some plugin code, all the new stuff that makes the Touch interesting is all closed shop. Without any movement on feature requests like; http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15067 (Requested in 2009!) development is stuck in the "classic" world. A few years back there were dozens of developers and now you can count the number of active developers on one hand. You see comments in the Dev forums that they have no interest in feature enhancements unless they have 1+ votes, so hence the few dev votes will never get anything implemented to make life easier and throw out new ideas, inspire new devs and so forth. In my opinion Logitech have lost direction and just to top it off, it looks like they are on yet another rebranding exercise to change the product name again... geez keep up the good work guys :s cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Whitebear Media Server v2.2 Released
AndrewFG wrote: > This confirms my suspicion that the problem is on the side of your > codecs. And *not* a problem with Whitebear. Hi Wigster, I found you a solution. I sent you a PM explaining it. Please test it, and if it works, I will publish it here. AndrewFG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90842 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
erland wrote: > Since the playlist management in SBS/LMS is a bit limited and most > people seems to use external software to manage their playlist it feels > like there is a need for something better in SBS/LMS. > > So, some questions to people that use saved playlists and would like to > be easier. > Try to think about how you like it to work instead of how it works > today. > > 1. What kind of device would you like to use when creating the playlists > ? > 2. How do you decide what should be part of a playlist ? > 3. How do you decide which order the tracks should have in the playlist > ? > 4. What's the most frustrating limitation with SBS/LMS playlist > management today ? > 5. What kind of device would you like to use when modifying existing > playlists ? > 6. What kind of modifications do you usually do on already existing > playlists ? 1. Any of those listed are fine, but a computer or tablet would be preferred. 2. Automatically select 100 tracks that match some criteria, including something like MIP's/Spicefly Sugar Cube's music-type (ie, something more "musical" than user-supplied genres, ratings, last-played, etc). And it has to be easy to edit after the initial playlist is generated. 3. Initially as generated by MIP/Spicefly - like program (or even not nearly as good, such as Apple Genius), then drag-and-drop tracks to re-order 4. That it's too hard to reorder tracks in existing playlists 5. Computer, tablet, or smartphone 6. All of the above. The most important is removing tracks, followed by reordering and adding. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
erland wrote: > To anyone that currently uses static playlists: > 1. How many static playlists do you have for your library ? > 2. Is a static playlist typically something you make, use for a single > event/party and deletes afterwards ? > 3. Is a static playlist typically something you make once and never > change afterwards ? > 4. Can you give some examples of static playlists which you currently > have and use continuously ? (name + when you use them) 1. Probably around 50. Almost all of them were initially created with MIP or SQL/Dynamic Playlists, then lightly edited (remove the inevitable tracks that don't fit, maybe change the ordering a little), and saved. 2. I usually make them for a party or event, but don't delete them afterwards. There are only a few that I've played a 2nd or 3rd time (or more), but I'm a pack-rat so I don't delete them. 3. It is rare for me to go back and change a playlist. 4. Just one example that I made a few weeks ago and then replayed last night when we had some people over for dinner on the deck outside. It was a MIP-generated list that used "Soukoura" (Ali Farka Touré and Ry Cooder) as the "seed track". If I think about I'll post the playlist later when I'm home. Would mostly use as background music when entertaining. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
I would like a button/icon that is more robust the the current add to favorite. When a song is playing you can select the ICON and you would get a list of your current playlists and and a new option in case you want a new list. vs27's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41655 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
I agree with improving the touch's USB and SD card slot. I have problems with the scanning and trying to use the internal server. You should be able to copy folders from the LMS server computer to an SD card and it should work without waiting forever for the scan to complete. vs27's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41655 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Whitebear Media Server v2.2 Released
NogNeetMachinaal wrote: > > So if I disable the plugin on LMS and install Whitebear, which > application serves which request? And how do these two communicate with > each other - if at all? > Whitebear provides a UPnP/DLNA open system front end to LMS/SBS proprietary back end. And yes, of course Whitebear talks to LMS/SBS (it uses the "CLI" interface) NogNeetMachinaal wrote: > > For example, are the Squeezeboxes served by LMS (for example due to the > sync-ing). > And the DLNA requests served by Whitebear? > The Squeezeboxes are independent devices on the network. The Control Point sends UPnP/DLNA player commands to Whitebear, which in turn sends CLI commands to LMS/SBS, which in turn sends low level proprietray commands to the players. If the command is "play this Url" then the Squeezebox may contact the remote server and download and play that track. NogNeetMachinaal wrote: > > Because Whitebear can not keep Squeezeboxes in sync? > Unfortunately the UPnP/DLNA standard has no functionality for synchronised playing. (Except trivially the Control Point can send the same Play To command to more than one player...) NogNeetMachinaal wrote: > > Does Whitebear have some sort of an interface to configure things. For > example to enable or disable broadcasting on all interfaces? Or to > configure the transcoding. Yes. Although UPnP advertisements are sent on all interfaces and there is no function to disable that. And UPnP/DLNA transcoding works by the server (Whitebear) "offerring" multiple formats, and the client selecting its preferred choice from those offers; so the configuration just determines which formats are offerred in which order. AndrewFG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90842 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
About the only thing that might be of interest to me is a Touch 2. Something with a bit bigger screen, maybe a bit more robust at being it's own server, and the ability to display on a TV or monitor. The way I think it could make great strides for the simplification of use, is a self contained system that one could just plug in a USB drive and be up and going. Granted it should be open enough that tweakers or people that want more options could expand upon. But it seems that some that I've talked to get intimidated and confused by the whole separate server idea and are just used to how easy it is to just play stuff from iTunes/pods. So that's my suggestion, a robust self contained system that could be pretty plug and play. rayman1701's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Orange Squeeze 1.0 for Android Released
db122 wrote: > OK, while I see the crash report, the stack trace doesn't make a heck of > a lot of sense. I tried to duplicate this on software 7.7.2 and was > unsuccessful. Was this a one-time event or is it reproducible every > time you change to line-in? I'll keep investigating. OK, I finally figured out where this was -- it was the Line In menu that appears on Orange Squeeze. I had never actually seen that menu item show up and the minute I pushed it, crash. So, the crash will be fixed in 1.2.5. Thanks! db122's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4076 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Orange Squeeze 1.0 for Android Released
yocky wrote: > Having previously said that the only functionality I miss from SC is the > ability to download tracks, I've just started to use Erland's Trackstat > and Dynamic Playlists which SC handles pretty well. I notice someone > else asked about OS supporting these plugins. Is it in the pipeline at > all? Everything reasonable is in the pipeline, it's just a matter of when. I don't think I will need to directly support those plugins, but when we have context menu on the now playing screen they should "just work" to some extent. We'll start there, as that is one of the big features everyone has been asking for. db122's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4076 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
The most annoying thing - and this not unique to Sqeezebox in any way - is that iTunes beats it hands-down in the creation and use of playlists. The Squeezebox implementation is based on the assumption, I assume, that Squeezebox users don't really need such a simple interface - they can cope with more technical methods. IMHO this is the one single thing that iTunes does really well, and should be emulated asap. Without this really quite simple approach, the system will forever be tagged with the "only useable by techies & nerds" label and sales will be hugely restricted for ever. And on that note, the "techies & nerds" (of which I am one - been in IT since c1975) should not come back and say this is daft - I know how to create and deploy playlists, but stand someone in front of your SB/Touch or whatever and tell them to create and deploy a playlist & they simply cannot do it without detailed instructions and detailed explanations. Not good enough - I have only ever come across one relatively elderly person who could not immediately suss it out on iTunes/iPod etc etc but they all have one. My 85yr old Pa uses his squeezebox daily because I have set up his playlists for him. He should have been able to do it himself. My wife cannot do it & my 15yr old daughter claims not to have the time to investigate. I ONLY use iTunes for setting up & feeding the one iPod in the house that Rockbox doesn't support & generally hate it since it comes with so much Apple FUD, arrogance & "stuff" that I really don't want or need (like the iTunes store), but the playlist execution is the one critical thing that made it universally useable by the masses pre-the iTunes store. sherington's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
I'd like to see a *comfortable* way of synchronizing the favorites beetween MySB.com and LMS. I prefer to manage the favorites in LMS (because the search function is much better here) and export them to MySB.com. Actually I can import them into MySB.com only line by line, a little bit outdated to manage this with hundreds of favorites. Regards Roger Roger66's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
erland wrote: > Are there any specific iPhone/iPad apps which you feel it would be more > important to be able to send the audio to the Squeezebox for ? > I'm just asking because AirPlay is a bit tricky from a legal standpoint > unless you like to pay license fees to Apple, so if we know exactly > which apps you are looking for support in there might be other solutions > that are easier to accomplish that fulfills the need. > The scenario I am envisaging is the typical party: people come over, drink, get bored of your finely selected music and then say, let me DJ for a while. They basically have a stock iPhone. If I were in the Apple ecosystem, I'd just have an Apple router plugged into my stereo. It's not for me as the SB owner, since I use IPeng. erland wrote: > Are we talking about computers where SBS/LMS can't be installed ? > In that case, do you have any preference how the library should be made > availablable ? > Are we talking about > * iTunes libraries > * machines which expose a network disk on the network > * machines which have a UPnP server installed ? > (Which would be most important for you personally) My situation is that I have a couple of laptops, which are not always at home (and are not always on), but which have some music which is not on the main server (at least yet). But I sometimes want to be able to play the music off the said laptop. I don't want to run anything extra on the laptops (I guess it's ok if there is a DLNA media library being served by them). Currently (since it's a Windows network) all the music is accessible to every other machine as part of the Homegroup, so file sharing between the server and these machines is enabled. It would be nice to be able to somehow easily play that music, even if it did require a scan at some point before, but not every time the machine is connected (and it's ok if the library is then somewhat out of date). I think I would actually prefer to drill down to the music on the laptops separately, rather than have everything integrated together, or at least to ahve that option. More importantly, the music should not be listed in the SB menus if the laptops are not on the network. Wigster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14899 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
epoch1970 wrote: > #4: A not dead MIP-like system. > I use MIP and it kind of works. But it has its quirks and won't run on > anything other than i386 (AFAIK) +1 Actually MIP works pretty well for me (aside from utf-8 issues), but we all know it's on borrowed time at best. The SB system needs a living replacement for MIP. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Whitebear Media Server v2.2 Released
AndrewFG wrote: > At a basic level, the LMS/SBS DLNA plug-in does the same thing as > Whitebear; but IMHO the plug-in is not compatible with some Control > Points and Renderers, and it lacks features too. But if the LMS/SBS DLNA > plug-in works for you please use it; whereas if it doesn't, disable the > plug-in and use Whitebear instead. Ah - ok. This helps. :-) So if I disable the plugin on LMS and install Whitebear, which application serves which request? And how do these two communicate with each other - if at all? For example, are the Squeezeboxes served by LMS (for example due to the sync-ing). And the DLNA requests served by Whitebear? Because Whitebear can not keep Squeezeboxes in sync? Do you understand what I'm trying to figure out? NogNeetMachinaal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49531 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90842 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
erland wrote: > I think I understand what you mean with art, but what do you mean with > metadata ? > > Would you expect it to find metadata even if your tags are a complete > mess or non existent or are you looking for a way to find extra metadata > which most people normally don't put into tags ? Can you give examples > of what kind of data you would like to retrieve ? > How would you like to metadata to be handled, is it something you > manually select to retrieve/view for an individual item in your library > or is it something you would even expect to be shown in the browse menus > ? > > Regarding album art, are we just talking about automatically retrieving > album art for albums which doesn't have album art previously or were you > thinking about a manual operation where you retrieve album art for a > selected album/track ? An example from yesterday. I ripped the "More Moondog" CD published by WEA France in 1991. I had one of the CD databases return 1991 as the release date. For me this is wrong. Release info is Prestige 1956, remastered 1991. Further, this CD is a (hidden) combo: LP "The Story of Moondog", Prestige 1957 has sneaked in as "bonus tracks" on this CD. So with the help of discogs I have split the CD in 2, set the appropriate dates, and grabbed the original LP artwork (google image helps here, too) My tags are not in a mess. The music industry was: CDs were expected to hold 60 minutes of music, so we end up with many nondescript compilations, combos, or CDs where there are more "bonus tracks" than there were tracks on the original recording. With the SB we are in the digital realm so I can fix this kind of situation, and finally understand what I am listening to. Another recent example. Miles Davis' soundtrack "Ascenseur pour l'échafaud" on CD includes a ton of studio alternate takes, following each master take. Listening to this CD was a bizarre experience Finally I compared the original LP tracklist and the CD reissue's, split the files in 2, as "original LP" + "bonus studio takes". And for the first time I could enjoy the LP thoroughly. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ground Loop?
Wirrunna wrote: > If an RCA plug is not in properly (outer ground making contact) it can > have the reported effect, have you tried re-plugging each of the cables? Resolved: This fixed the issue. Not sure how it occurred in the first place though. Maybe there is a loose contact in one of my RCAs going from the DAC to preamp? I have swapped the RCA for my SACD player with the one on the DAC (same brand/type) and I'll see how everything goes. Thanks all for a great forum and fantastic support (as usual). sgobowinski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94970 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Whitebear Media Server v2.2 Released
NogNeetMachinaal wrote: > > what is the value of Whitebear? > At a basic level, the LMS/SBS DLNA plug-in does the same thing as Whitebear; but IMHO the plug-in is not compatible with some Control Points and Renderers, and it lacks features too. But if the LMS/SBS DLNA plug-in works for you please use it; whereas if it doesn't, disable the plug-in and use Whitebear instead. AndrewFG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90842 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Whitebear Media Server v2.2 Released
First of all - thank you for your time and patience - really appreciated! But still - not completely clear => some more questions. :-) AndrewFG wrote: > > Whitebear does two things: > > 1) *UPnP Digital Media Server*: Whitebear allows an open standard > UPnP/DLNA compliant Control Point to browse your proprietary LMS/SBS > music library. And it serves the respective music tracks in that library > to an open standard UPnP/DLNA compliant Digital Media Renderer (player). > (So for example you can use your TV Set screen and remote control to > browse your LMS/SBS music library (by Whitebear), and select tracks and > play them via the TV speakers). To my knowledge, LMS is DLNA compliant. Right? Suppose I would have a TV that is also DLNA compliant and is equiped with control point software, than the combi (LMS & TV) would bring me browsing and playing sound and video. Right? With this use-case scenario in mind and assuming that I'm overlooking something: what is the value of Whitebear? AndrewFG wrote: > > 2) *UPnP Digital Media Renderer*: Whitebear presents all your Squeeze > boxes as open standard UPnP/DLNA compliant Digital Media Renderer's > (players). This allows other UPnP/DLNA compliant Control Points to play > music to your Squeeze boxes by means of the "Play To" functionality. > > So if you want to stream Mp3s from your laptop to Squeeze players (by > Whitebear) then you need to install a Control Point software on your > laptop. Possible Control Points could be FooBar with UPnP Plug-In > (free), Asset Control (free), or J. River Media Centre (paid); (there > are also various UPnP Control Point apps for the various tablet > systems). Ok - this is clear. No further questions here. NogNeetMachinaal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49531 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90842 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
MrSinatra wrote: > > i think i laid out what i'm looking for pretty extensively, so those are > my needs. i hope thats useful to you. > It definitely is, your comments are appreciated. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
erland wrote: > Completely agree, but it needs to be tied to some kind of media manager > which can provide lists of available tracks, albums and artists. If you > don't tie it to a media manager you will have to implement a scanner > yourself in the app. Implementing an internal scanner is certainly one > way to do it, I just fear that it will result in a lot more work than > basing it on a media manager that exists already. UPnP media managers is > certainly a solution but their issue is that there seems to be a lot of > incompatibilities between different UPnP media servers so you can't > really be sure it works with all just because you have tested it with > one specific. > > My personal intention, if I would do something, would be to try to > improve the situation for people that like to use Squeezebox devices, > there are plenty of other developers and forums in the world that focus > on non Squeezebox users, so let's focus on the users that want to use > Squeezeboxes in this forum. > > However, at the moment, I'm more interested in what the actual needs are > instead of discussing if it's suitable to develop as a plugin or not. > After we know the needs, it's possible to decide exactly how it's best > to implement it. well just to be clear, what i proposed COULD be used by server, as its output dir could be scanned by server, (since you can tell server where to look for playlists). so, i guess i don't know why its better to do in server? i don't think anything good can be done in server. i don't know what u mean when u say "upnp media managers" but i would suggest a simple scanner that works off whatever tags it finds, one file per row. i think i laid out what i'm looking for pretty extensively, so those are my needs. i hope thats useful to you. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
MrSinatra wrote: > > i think an app like this does not need to be tied to server. > Completely agree, but it needs to be tied to some kind of media manager which can provide lists of available tracks, albums and artists. If you don't tie it to a media manager you will have to implement a scanner yourself in the app. Implementing an internal scanner is certainly one way to do it, I just fear that it will result in a lot more work than basing it on a media manager that exists already. UPnP media managers is certainly a solution but their issue is that there seems to be a lot of incompatibilities between different UPnP media servers so you can't really be sure it works with all just because you have tested it with one specific. My personal intention, if I would do something, would be to try to improve the situation for people that like to use Squeezebox devices, there are plenty of other developers and forums in the world that focus on non Squeezebox users, so let's focus on the users that want to use Squeezeboxes in this forum. However, at the moment, I'm more interested in what the actual needs are instead of discussing if it's suitable to develop as a plugin or not. After we know the needs, it's possible to decide exactly how it's best to implement it. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
erland wrote: > Wouldn't it just be a matter of using the m3u file which a SBS/LMS > plugin/app produces ? > Or am I missing something ? i don't think what i proposed could be done in server, nor do i think people who don't use server want to install it just to use such an app. sometimes folks here need to remember, most people don't own squeeze anything. i think an app like this does not need to be tied to server. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Orange Squeeze 1.0 for Android Released
Having previously said that the only functionality I miss from SC is the ability to download tracks, I've just started to use Erland's Trackstat and Dynamic Playlists which SC handles pretty well. I notice someone else asked about OS supporting these plugins. Is it in the pipeline at all? yocky's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16305 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
MrSinatra wrote: > > i think the server UI sucks for just about anything. but my point was > that if you are going to do something, do something that could work for > any app, not just server. thats far more useful. > Wouldn't it just be a matter of using the m3u file which a SBS/LMS plugin/app produces ? Or am I missing something ? erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
To anyone that currently uses static playlists: 1. How many static playlists do you have for your library ? 2. Is a static playlist typically something you make, use for a single event/party and deletes afterwards ? 3. Is a static playlist typically something you make once and never change afterwards ? 4. Can you give some examples of static playlists which you currently have and use continuously ? (name + when you use them) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
erland wrote: > Aren't there already other external applications that handles this well > already ? i have not seen anything close to what i describe. erland wrote: > The reason I started this thread was to investigate what would be needed > to make something that works good for Squeezebox. > I don't really use static playlists myself much, so I need information > from people that actually use them to better understand the needs. > Personally I mostly use smart playlists (through SQL Playlist/Dynamic > Playlist) as I like to focus on listening to music rather than spending > the time maintaining playlists, but I could see scenarios, like parties > or special events, where the exact tracks and order of them could be > important and due to this static playlists would be needed. > > Still, I'm skeptical if it's possible to implement it as a plugin as I > think it requires a rich user interface to really work and I'm not sure > the SBS/LMS web interface is suitable for this kind of usage. i think the server UI sucks for just about anything. but my point was that if you are going to do something, do something that could work for any app, not just server. thats far more useful. to me playlists are mainly about what is or is not in them. order is a secondary concern, since any decent app can randomize a playlist. if a static order needs to be maintained, a proposed app should respect that, but leave that setting of the order to other apps to do, just respect it when done. MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
MrSinatra wrote: > > my guess is u are trying to do something inside server, like a plugin. > i would suggest your efforts would be a lot more useful if done OUTSIDE > of server, and besides, server could just read the apps output dir. > meanwhile, users of other apps could benefit! > Aren't there already other external applications that handles this well already ? The reason I started this thread was to investigate what would be needed to make something that works good for Squeezebox. I don't really use static playlists myself much, so I need information from people that actually use them to better understand the needs. Personally I mostly use smart playlists (through SQL Playlist/Dynamic Playlist) as I like to focus on listening to music rather than spending the time maintaining playlists, but I could see scenarios, like parties or special events, where the exact tracks and order of them could be important and due to this static playlists would be needed. Still, I'm skeptical if it's possible to implement it as a plugin as I think it requires a rich user interface to really work and I'm not sure the SBS/LMS web interface is suitable for this kind of usage. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
Wigster wrote: > From my perspective: > 2. AirPlay support > 4. Ability to temporarily add libraries on machines which are not always > on the network These are features which should be in LMS [next] and/or Squeezebox [next], I think. It would allow visitors to play something from their iThingy the've brought with them on my system directly, without complex reconfiguring/rescanning. It als would allow me to send audio from my Notebook to the Squeezebox, without problems. (When browsing the internet, for example) verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can a SB3 play streamed ogg-flac ?
jean2 wrote: > I believe it's coming, but not on SB3 : > > http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/slim/7.8/trunk/server/Changelog7.html > > Jean I dont think this is for streaming but more for playback support. Bit of a shame... thanks for the replys though people ! mn283's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38056 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94936 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
An updated version of Inguz EQ, maybe using SoX. InguzEQ was (and still is for me) a great plugin but some users are having trouble getting it to go. Wirrunna's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3225 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
Wigster wrote: > > 2. AirPlay support > Are there any specific iPhone/iPad apps which you feel it would be more important to be able to send the audio to the Squeezebox for ? I'm just asking because AirPlay is a bit tricky from a legal standpoint unless you like to pay license fees to Apple, so if we know exactly which apps you are looking for support in there might be other solutions that are easier to accomplish that fulfills the need. Wigster wrote: > > 4. Ability to temporarily add libraries on machines which are not always > on the network > Are we talking about computers where SBS/LMS can't be installed ? In that case, do you have any preference how the library should be made availablable ? Are we talking about * iTunes libraries * machines which expose a network disk on the network * machines which have a UPnP server installed ? (Which would be most important for you personally) Today, you can install SBS/LMS on the temporary machine and just switch on the Squeezebox which SBS/LMS it is connected to, but I suspect you are looking for a solution that doesn't require you to switch SBS/LMS on the Squeezebox ? Do you want to browse these temporary library separately or are you expecting them to be fully integrated in the standard browse menus so its albums appear in the same list as the albums from the permanent library ? Finally, what kind of temporary machines are we talking about ? Computers within the family or something else ? Is the need to easily be able to access, browse and play music on all laptop's within the family that are currently connected to the network ? erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you want to create/manage playlists ?
Erland, this is awesome. for years i haven't used playlists b/c no one makes an app that makes playlists the way i want. the closest thing for me is "smartviews" in winamp, but thats not perfect or suited really for specific purposes or occassions. smartviews are more of a library manager. as a former radio dj, i have long fantasized over what a perfect playlist app would be. erland wrote: > Since the playlist management in SBS/LMS is a bit limited and most > people seems to use external software to manage their playlist it feels > like there is a need for something better in SBS/LMS. > > So, some questions to people that use saved playlists and would like to > be easier. > Try to think about how you like it to work instead of how it works > today. > > 1. What kind of device would you like to use when creating the playlists > ? > - A computer > - A tablet > - A smart phone > - A Logitech Controller, Radio or Touch display > - A IR remote > - Something else i'd use a computer. erland wrote: > 2. How do you decide what should be part of a playlist ? > - By selecting the individual tracks you want to include > - By selecting the albums you want to include > - By selecting the artists you want to include > - By automatically selecting 100 tracks that matches some search > criteria (genre, ratings, ...) > - Something else i think the app would need to scan the music to catalog it for manipulation. this assumes a user already has good tags. smartviews let me use criteria. what i would want is basically a graph paper like grid, kinda like a spread sheet. on the left would be album artists, then indented just a tad would be album names, then indented just a tad more would be track titles. so like this: Beatles _Help __Ticket to ride __Yesterday _Abbey Road __Here comes the Sun Cars _Candy O __Dangerous Type and so on... then, on the right would be a series of columns, with empty checkboxes. one column per named playlist. so if u have 11 columns, u have 11 playlists. then, if u put a check in the songtitle row for that column, the playlist is automatically rewritten to include it, and vice versa. if you put it on the album row, all the titles on the album are included. and on the albumartists row, all the titles on all albums are included. also, a "special" column should exist that if you checked the row in that column, it adds that to ALL playlists. in addition, on a per column basis, i should then be able to specify whatever criteria. so i could say "any new music in this file path or subfolder should automatically be checked" or "any new music with this genre should automatically be checked" etc. each column would have its own unique color and the playlist names would be listed in a fixed row at the top (like in excel, so u can see em even when scrolling) where they bend kind of, like at an angle, think 2 o'clock, to read. erland wrote: > 3. How do you decide which order the tracks should have in the playlist > ? > - Random ordered tracks > - Random ordered albums > - Drag and drop albums to put them into the right order > - Drag and drop tracks to put them into the right order > - Something else this is not important to me as i would simply load and then randomize my playlists. however, if people wanted to play things in a strict order, then an option in this playlist creating app would be to not overwrite the order the playlist is in. that way, i could use this proposed app to create and select the songs, load them into winamp in AA, album, track # order, rearrange them in winamp, save in winamp, and then the proposed app would respect that ordering, but still allow to add or remove items. erland wrote: > 4. What's the most frustrating limitation with SBS/LMS playlist > management today ? > - That it doesn't support relative paths in playlist files which are > scanned > - That it's too hard to reorder tracks in existing playlists > - That it's too hard to create completely new playlists > - Something else i almost always use the SBS random mix functions. anything else with server is a joke. erland wrote: > 5. What kind of device would you like to use when modifying existing > playlists ? > - A computer > - A tablet > - A smart phone > - A Logitech Controller, Radio or Touch display > - A IR remote > - Something else same computer. erland wrote: > 6. What kind of modifications do you usually do on already existing > playlists ? > - Reorder tracks in the playlist > - Remove tracks, albums or artists from the playlist > - Add new tracks, albums or artists to the playlist > - Something else > > Is there anything else than the above you feel is important to take into > consideration if anyone would like to improve the playlist management ? to me, its all about adding or deleting tracks from a playlist, and or automating a playlist. i can envision columns where a playlist is made based on last access date, or rating, or combos of criterias, like smartviews, but its
