Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?

2012-09-18 Thread kh6idf

This is a problem for me also.  I use the SB3 exclusively to access
Pandora, Rhapsody and Internet radio.  None of these would be available
if mysqueezebox.com went away.



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[slim] Build servers hanging

2012-09-18 Thread slate

build servers have been hanging for a couple of days... all branches



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Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?

2012-09-18 Thread mherger

kh6idf wrote: 
 This is a problem for me also.  I use the SB3 exclusively to access
 Pandora, Rhapsody and Internet radio.  None of these would be available
 if mysqueezebox.com went away.

Because you are not alone there are no plans to shut down mysb.com.



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-09-18 Thread nekomatic

Well for me the question is not 'what will your next system be' but
'what will your first system be'?

I had been planning on setting up a system with a couple of Squeezebox
Touches, and getting a secondhand Mac Mini to run LMS on. That's after
previously considering a Sonos setup but disliking the price and the
lack of UI on the Sonos kit. 

Now I'm wondering about either:

- Airport Expresses instead of the Squeezebox Touches, and one or two
iPod touches with the Apple Remote app to control playback from iTunes
on the Mini

or

- iPod touches running iPeng and sitting more-or-less permanently in
docks, playing from LMS on the Mini

Right now there are refurb iPod Touches on the UK Apple Store for £129,
so the combo of Airport Express + iPod, or iPod + (say) Pure i20 dock,
is about the same price as the Squeezebox Touch. I’m not bothered about
online streaming services except iPlayer, and I can do that with the app
on the iPod. My music library is going to be in ALAC and I'm not worried
about anything other than 16/44.1kHz files.

I can see pluses and minuses to both my options above compared to the
Squeezebox Touch plan, but how will they compare for synchronisation,
and is the quality of the Airport Express audio out significantly worse
than the Squeezebox Touch?



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Re: [slim] mysqueezebox.com account name

2012-09-18 Thread toby10

rambo89 wrote: 
 Because is saw the note:  Please note: if you change your account email
 address, you will be immediately logged out and required to reactivate
 your account.  It looked like a pain, so if it doesn't matter, then i
 won't bother - so that is my question: does it really matter?
 
 Thanks,
 Roger

Clicking an activation link in a single email is too much bother?  It
took you more time to compose the above response than the actual
activation process itself.



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[slim] The Squeezebox Classic firmware 134 or 137

2012-09-18 Thread nmizel

Hello,

I'm currently running Squeezebox Server Version 7.5.6 and have 2 SB
Radios, a Boom and a Squeezebox Classic connected to it. The Squeezebox
Classic in on firmware 134, and when I connected it to MySqueezebox.com
it was upgraded to firmware 137. Does anyone know the changes between
firmware 134 and 137 and whether it is safe to run firmware 137 with
Server 7.5.6?

Thanks in advance.



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Re: [slim] The Squeezebox Classic firmware 134 or 137

2012-09-18 Thread toby10

I think it's just one firmware revision between 134 (LMS 7.5.6) and 137
(LMS 7.6.0, which came right after your 7.5.6).  Likely just the new
Rhapsody change is about all that is different between the two.  But you
will now be bugged to update/downgrade every time you switch servers
(LMS and MySB).  Why not just update to the latest LMS 7.7.2 and avoid
the annoyance of update/downgrade?  Or, don't switch to MySB?



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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezePlay for Solaris and OpenIndiana

2012-09-18 Thread evoz4

ralphy wrote: 
 I should be able to build an intel sada version as I have a version of
 squeezeslave.
 
 If you could confirm that the 'squeezeslave intel sada version'
 (http://squeezeslave.googlecode.com/files/squeezeslave-1.2L-369-oi-intel.tar.gz)
 works first that would be best.

Looks like there is a problem with squeezeslave, although it finds the
right device, it will only play the first 6-8 seconds of some tracks,
after that it's just hiss. So don't spend any time on it, I'm looking at
pulseaudio at the moment for something else, might be able to use it for
this as well.

Thanks



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-09-18 Thread hsmeets

garym wrote: 
 No. It can work forever until hardware breaks.

Even new hardware should be not too much of an issue, maybe a bit more
crude then the original but it could easily be made with off the shelf
components:

- an ARM SoC board with an ethernet connection like Raspberry,
Cubieboard, BeagleBord, etc 
- depending on the board, an USB audio device (class 2 audio device) or
I2S to SP/DIF converter
- Linux
- Squeezeslave

A *possible* Open Source Squeeze player scenario:

Once released to the public get a cubieboard. This board has ethernet,
has an IR receiver and has an SP/DIF on the GPIO header. Connect an USB
audio device that is supported in the linux kernel if you need
line/analog output. Connect also an LCD/VFD module and write code to do
some basic setup/usage as selecting the server to use, volume, next,
previous via the IR remote.

From here you can take it anyware maybe add a touch/tft screen for a
richer UI (develop a touch and small screen optimized skin for the
Mediaserver and just use a http browser fullscreen on the player to
control the player (instead of writing a lot of code). As the cubieboard
will be fully open: extend the schematics and PCB design to include
something like a onboard DAC...etc etc



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Re: [slim] The Squeezebox Classic firmware 134 or 137

2012-09-18 Thread epoch1970

Or put the 137 firmware files in the directory of your older server.
Works fine, according to my experience.



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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-09-18 Thread hsmeets

garym wrote: 
 No. It can work forever until hardware breaks.

Even new hardware should be not too much of an issue, maybe a bit more
crude then the original but it could easily be made with off the shelf
components:

- an ARM SoC board with an ethernet connection like Raspberry,
Cubieboard, BeagleBord, etc 
- depending on the board, an USB audio device (class 2 audio device) or
I2S to SP/DIF converter
- Linux
- Squeezeslave

A *possible* Open Source Squeeze player scenario:

Once released to the public get a cubieboard. This board has ethernet,
has an IR receiver and has an SP/DIF on the GPIO header. Connect an USB
audio device that is supported in the linux kernel if you need
line/analog output. Connect also an LCD/VFD module and write code to do
some basic setup/usage as selecting the server to use, volume, next,
previous via the IR remote.

From here you can take it anyware maybe add a touch/tft screen for a
richer UI (develop a touch and small screen optimized skin for the
Mediaserver and just use a http browser fullscreen on the player to
control the player (instead of writing a lot of code). As the cubieboard
will be fully open: extend the schematics and PCB design to include
something like a onboard DAC...etc etc



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Re: [slim] mysqueezebox.com account name

2012-09-18 Thread Mnyb

toby10 wrote: 
 Clicking an activation link in a single email is too much bother?  It
 took you more time to compose the above response than the actual
 activation process itself.

It may be so that op thinks he has to reconect every player and factory
reset them ?

He has to change the settings under the mysqueezebox.com tab if he uses
a local LMS server.
Then it should work ? I think , it was years since I did this .



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Re: [slim] Build servers hanging

2012-09-18 Thread slate

and we are back



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[slim] no song title breaks

2012-09-18 Thread citabria327

hello...i'm not as 'smart' with the workings of my favorite audio
device;) i used eac for most of my rips..when i bought a new pc, i
started using wmp...i like wmp a lot more..recently, i discovered that i
can load music onto my phone! with the cd's that were ripped using wmp,
no problem...with the cd's where i used eac, they rip as if the whole
album is one song...there are no 1 through 10 song selections...on my 5
sqb's every thing reads and plays just fine...any help for a
simpleton:)?



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Re: [slim] no song title breaks

2012-09-18 Thread azinck3

citabria327 wrote: 
 hello...i'm not as 'smart' with the workings of my favorite audio
 device;) i used eac for most of my rips..when i bought a new pc, i
 started using wmp...i like wmp a lot more..recently, i discovered that i
 can load music onto my phone! with the cd's that were ripped using wmp,
 no problem...with the cd's where i used eac, they rip as if the whole
 album is one song...there are no 1 through 10 song selections...on my 5
 sqb's every thing reads and plays just fine...any help for a
 simpleton:)?

Sounds like you're using cue sheets.  I believe CUETools will turn your
single file + cue sheet into individual tracks:
http://www.cuetools.net/wiki/CUETools



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Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?

2012-09-18 Thread gharris999

mherger wrote: 
 Because you are not alone there are no plans to shut down mysb.com.
Yeah, but there were no announced plans to EOL the Squeezebox line
either.  In fact, has there been an official announcement at all?  And
yet we all know that this has happened.  

Having no plans to shut down mysb.com is not the same thing as
Logitech commits to keeping mysb.com operational until at least January
1, 2020.



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Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Miksis

mherger wrote: 
 Because you are not alone there are no plans to shut down mysb.com.

I think the real question is what will happen if, for example, Spotify
changes their API and updates are needed on the MySB side to keep it
active.  Will the music services just all fade away one by one as this
happens?  LMA has already suffered this fate...



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Re: [slim] no song title breaks

2012-09-18 Thread citabria327

you might be right...i recall seeing something like cue sheet..thanks



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Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?

2012-09-18 Thread erland

gharris999 wrote: 
 Yeah, but there were no announced plans to EOL the Squeezebox line
 either.  In fact, has there been an official announcement at all?  And
 yet we all know that this has happened.  
 
This is the most official I've found:
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Squeezebox-Players/Logitech-UE-Smart-Radio/td-p/884530

Doesn't really say much except for that they plan to continue supporting
Squeezeboxes and continue making it provide you access to a rich world
of music. If you read between the lines one interpretation which
matches what mherger has said is that they don't have any plans to
shutdown mysqueezebox.com in the near future.

My personal interpretation is that there isn't any need to worry for the
next year or two while significant amount of devices are still under
warranty period. 
I don't think it's likely that mysqueezebox.com will be running 2020 and
still be compatible with the firmware in a Squeezebox Classic, but
that's just my very personal guess.

Regarding Squeezebox, there wasn't any official announcement before the
shutdown, but honestly people have been talking about Logitech shutting
down Squeezebox for the last 1-2 years on this forum, so even if it came
as a surprise I think it's something we have all feared for quite some
time.



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Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?

2012-09-18 Thread erland

Mark Miksis wrote: 
 I think the real question is what will happen if, for example, Spotify
 changes their API and updates are needed on the MySB side to keep it
 active.  Will the music services just all fade away one by one as this
 happens?  LMA has already suffered this fate...
 
No reason to speculate, the future will show us what will happen, nobody
knows at the moment, not even people within Logitech.

There is probably more likely that Logitech will spend maintenance
resources to implement API changes for premium services like Spotify,
Pandora, Rhapsody than doing it for LMA.



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[slim] A Perl question

2012-09-18 Thread epoch1970

I want to write a daemon that launches long-lived processes (it's a
backup robot.)
I can't have the daemon stand there waiting on the children,
backgrounding the system processes is necessary.
The background processes have an unfortunate tendency to lock-up. So the
daemon needs to be able to check on progress, kill hung tasks and
hopefully rollback#8230;

I started using non-blocking fork/exec and reaping zombies with SIG
CHILD. I don't seem to be able to add SIG ALRM to the mix (I tried w/
alarm and ualarm), because some of my code currently uses sleep().

Since I might like a good sleep from time to time, I started looking at
Proc::Background and it seems to offer a solution. Cleaner than a
fork/exec sub, easy to get status from the objects so I could poll them
instead of using alarms. (Performance is not an issue, reliability is.)

So this is my question: what would you use to perform something similar
to fork/exec, with timeout/kill handling ?
(The final code will run in a Net:: Daemon loop, FWIW)

Thanks for any hint!



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Re: [slim] no song title breaks

2012-09-18 Thread ply3908

Could be some EAC settings?  When I rip CDs with EAC, I always have
separate file per song.



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Re: [slim] no song title breaks

2012-09-18 Thread azinck3

ply3908 wrote: 
 Could be some EAC settings?  When I rip CDs with EAC, I always have
 separate file per song.

Yes, EAC has lots of configuration options.  It can certainly be
configured to rip to individual files (I use EAC and don't use
cuesheets, for instance).



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Re: [slim] no song title breaks

2012-09-18 Thread citabria327

can i run my 700 or so affected titles through that program or is it a
one at a time deal? the funny thing is, my sqb's all detect the song
titles...although, i do have very large 'unknown artist' and unknown
album' files..i wonder why??



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Re: [slim] no song title breaks

2012-09-18 Thread azinck3

citabria327 wrote: 
 can i run my 700 or so affected titles through that program or is it a
 one at a time deal? the funny thing is, my sqb's all detect the song
 titles...although, i do have very large 'unknown artist' and unknown
 album' files..i wonder why??

I've never used CUETools, so I'm not sure what options it gives you for
processing batches of files.  I'd install it and give it a try.

Your SB's detect the track titles because Logitech Media Server (LMS)
can use and read cuesheets.  Cuesheets provide metadata so a player
knows which tracks exist at which spots in the single large file you
have for each album.  Your phone doesn't understand that format; it
requires that each track be its own file.



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Re: [slim] no song title breaks

2012-09-18 Thread ply3908

I use http://www.medieval.it/cuesplitter-pc/menu-id-71.html for cue
spliter.  All the tags in the cue sheet will transfer to the audio
files.  I also use http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ to view/edit the tags.



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Re: [slim] A Perl question

2012-09-18 Thread pallfreeman

Do the alarm handling in the child processes; wrapper probably simplest
way?



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Re: [slim] A Perl question

2012-09-18 Thread epoch1970

pallfreeman wrote: 
 Do the alarm handling in the child processes; wrapper probably simplest
 way?

Ah yes. I was focused on the perl code, but of course I can make the
spawned shell process smarter. 
Now I have a solution, no matter what. 
Thanks!



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Re: [slim] mysqueezebox.com account name

2012-09-18 Thread rambo89

Mnyb wrote: 
 It may be so that op thinks he has to reconect every player and factory
 reset them ?
 
 He has to change the settings under the mysqueezebox.com tab if he uses
 a local LMS server.
 Then it should work ? I think , it was years since I did this .

Yes, that is correct, I have 3 Touches and 2 Booms and I am thinking
that I would have to reset each one, then go into my squeezebox.com and
set up my Apps and app passwords again.  Same in LMS

But like i said if there is no downside to an expired email address I
will leave well enough alone.

Thanks,
Roger



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Re: [slim] mysqueezebox.com account name

2012-09-18 Thread Michael Herger

Yes, that is correct, I have 3 Touches and 2 Booms and I am thinking
that I would have to reset each one, then go into my squeezebox.com and
set up my Apps and app passwords again.  Same in LMS


Don't worry: you'd have to login to mysb.com (the web site) again, and  
change the account information in LMS. No need to touch the players.



But like i said if there is no downside to an expired email address I
will leave well enough alone.


People tend to forget things they don't use any more. At some point you  
_might_ need it for whatever reason and not be able to recover the  
password or something. I'd rather change it today...


--

Michael
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Re: [slim] no song title breaks

2012-09-18 Thread Mnyb

For future ripping I sugests dBpower amp  ( or a correctly configured
EAC that don't give cue + one large file while ripping ).

What format are you ripping to,with WMP ? WAV mp3 wma ? WMP does not rip
to FLAC and is not a secure ripper .

And WMP's WAV rips do not have any file tags ,so for using with
squeezeboxes they migth be cumbersome ( not showing up under artist or
album and not be searchable ).

Suppose if you are ripping to mp3 or wma you get proper tags .

You old cue + one big file rips what are they FLAC or mp3 .



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