Re: [slim] FYI - New Rhapsody Cloud Sync
wnshall wrote: > Can you elaborate on what you mean by "... all mixed up with my local > music."? My expectation is that once Rhapsody has synced your local > music collection, My Library on Rhapsody would display > Albums/Artists/Tracks from both your local music library and your > previously existing Rhapsody library all together, probably with no > visual indication of the difference. Is that what happens? Does it > browse differently when going through LMS vs. browsing through > Rhapsody's web interface? Yes, that is what happens and I didn't like it because I almost never want to use Rhapsody to play my local music. I don't know what browsing was like on Rhapsody's web site because I rarely use it, and I disabled the Cloud Sync shortly after posting this. wnshall wrote: > My biggest hesitation in doing this is that Rhapsody's really minimal, > under-featured browsing capabilities would make browsing my moderately > large collection unbearable. Having been spoiled by the library > browsing tools in LMS (especially w/ some 3rd party plugins) it's quite > hard to have to work with the under-powered systems most other systems, > like Rhapsody, have. I also wonder what Rhapsody does with all your tag > information -- almost certainly ignores it completely. That means that > the Genre tag for your local music will get set to whatever genre > Rhapsody has for that file. I find Rhapsody's genres to be next to > useless, and it means all that hard work tagging my music goes to > waste. > > Any comments you have on your experience would be appreciated. I don't have an issue with Rhapsody's browsing. I mostly use search and then add it to my library if it's something I want to come back to. The one thing cloud sync did for me was transfer my ratings to Rhapsody (although that didn't really seem to help them provide me with better recommendations). After I disabled the Cloud Sync, it didn't remove the items it had already put in my library. I had to use the desktop player and remove them all myself, but it kept my ratings associated with the items it synced. Now I believe it was still a beta when I used it, so it might have been improved since then. If there was a way to browse my Rhapsody library without the matched items mixed in, I might have kept it. Hope that helps! MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92937 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playlist limit of 500?
Wow, the lowly ARM-CPU-powered empeg car stereo maintained playlists longer than 30k tracks easily, shuffling, reshuffling, changing track order, adding tracks, removing tracks, all without skipping a beat. There seems to be some serious inefficiency and possible underdevelopment with SB's playlist feature. MelonMonkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96243 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playlist limit of 500?
MelonMonkey wrote: > Wow, the lowly ARM-CPU-powered empeg car stereo maintained playlists > longer than 30k tracks easily, shuffling, reshuffling, changing track > order, adding tracks, removing tracks, all without skipping a beat. > There seems to be some serious inefficiency and possible > underdevelopment with SB's playlist feature. There might be good reasons for LMS's apparent inefficiencies, or there might not be good reasons. It's hard to compare since LMS's feature set is quite different from that of the empeg. That said, on a reasonably speedy server you can certainly load far more than 500 items. As aubuti mentioned, you can bump up the limit to suit your hardware. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96243 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
Ikabob wrote: > > LOGITECH is a very reputable company and I do not believe they want to > injure their reputation by breaching their word to so many trusting > consumers. They'd have a lot to lose credibility-wise in the future. So, > I believe the director of products, an official representative of > LOGITECH, who wrote the blog and I do believe that they are committed to > keep our time and dollar investment intact. Imho This comment reminded me of the Logitech NuLOOQ Navigator that was discontinued several years ago: http://graphicssoft.about.com/b/2009/02/13/logitech-nulooq-navigator-design-controller.htm So Logitech does have a history of doing this. This is something from the Logitech forum thread about the NuLOOQ, but it seems appropriate here: > Logitech builds cool and well constructed hardware, but if the device > relies on software stay away - the products that depend on code > eventually fall behind the curve and Logitech does not seem to have the > resources or consistent coding practices to keep up fixing it, so they > loose interest in the product, probably because it has ceased to > generate the hot sales numbers it did when first released (partly due to > complaints from increasingly disgruntled users?) and finally cut their > losses. What frustrates people is that the products remain on sale with > no indication of the decling support except found by those who came to > this forum and did their homework. http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Design-Controllers-and/NuLooq-Navigator-in-CS4/m-p/305697#M582 MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
It seems like the some more blog comments now have been moderated, at least a few more is now visible including some answers. There wasn't much news, but a few things were clarified: - They "actively" plan to support mysqueezebox.com for the "foreseeable future", so people who are worried it will be shutdown in 6 months can probably stop worry now. They also mention that they plan to fix some bugs, for example bugs that stops streaming services like Pandora from working. - They will not provide an upgrade path for the Touch or any other Squeezebox except for Squeezebox Radio. Hopefully this means they have an UE product without built-in speakers in their roadmap, if they don't, the UE Smart Radio line is more or less doomed at its current price level. - Most importantly, for the first time since 2009 when Sean left someone in the management actually seems to read AND respond to the feedback posted on the blog, at least some of the responses are posted in the name of the director of the new UE products. However, the next step for Logitech is now to show if they are really committed to support Squeezebox users and make the new UE product line a success or if the answers are just empty words. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
> Logitech builds cool and well constructed hardware, but if the device > relies on software stay away - the products that depend on code > eventually fall behind the curve and Logitech does not seem to have the > resources or consistent coding practices to keep up fixing it, so they > loose interest in the product, probably because it has ceased to > generate the hot sales numbers it did when first released (partly due to > complaints from increasingly disgruntled users?) and finally cut their > losses. What frustrates people is that the products remain on sale with > no indication of the decling support except found by those who came to > this forum and did their homework. I've always been under the impression that Logitech produces software for their commodity hardware devices only grudgingly. Even their mouse software often has problems. Their entire company has been sliced and diced and reorganized, and managers hired, fired and reassigned so many times in the past few years that it's little wonder they have no consistency and an industry-wide reputation for a lack of reliability. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
erland wrote: > However, the next step for Logitech is now to show if they are really > committed to support Squeezebox users and make the new UE product line a > success or if the answers are just empty words. "Next step"? How so? What does Logitech gain from continuing to support Squeezebox? Financially, nothing. $0. Beyond keeping mysb.com afloat, what are you expecting in terms of support? An updated server that addresses the many hundreds of valid bugs on file? Repairs of $2000 products that are out of warranty? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Orange Squeeze 1.0 for Android Released
jimbobvfr400 wrote: > Really liking this so far. > > I do have a weird issue with the way it works when you select tracks. If > I choose play in the default option in preferences then as it should it > adds the whole album, so if I choose artist - album - track as I > normally do, if I choose say track 3 of the album the whole album is in > the play list but playback starts at 3. All good and exactly as it > should be. > If however I choose prompt in preferences then the same action and > choosing play in the prompt only plays that track. With no way to play > the album. I do have play all tracks for album selected in player > settings on my server. To play the album with prompt set I have to go > back to the album list and choose the little menu option and choose play > from there. > > I'd guess this is by design but either an additional option in the > prompt or an option to choose play or add from an icon on the track list > (this is my favourite feature in Squeezecommander) would be appreciated. > I'd prefer to have prompt selected in settings but this making just > playing an album quite awkward. Yeah, it's not exactly by design, but it's not just a simple oops bug either. We definitely want the play-from-prompt menus to be the same as play-by-touch if the action would be the same, but they aren't always. There is a bug filed for this in the OrangeSqueeze bug tracker, and I'm thinking about how to make this behave more consistently. db122's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4076 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
erland wrote: > They will not provide an upgrade path for the Touch or any other > Squeezebox except for Squeezebox Radio. Hopefully this means they have > an UE product without built-in speakers in their roadmap, if they don't, > the UE Smart Radio line is more or less doomed at its current price > level. A UE radio without speakers is called a smartphone. I doubt they want to try the audio-video combo receiver any time soon, and the swift demise of google's Q doesn't vote in favor of an Internet-only hifi-class receiver either. I wouldn't bet the next player in the UE family, if any, is hardware based. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
epoch1970 wrote: > A UE radio without speakers is called a bluetooth-capable smartphone. I > doubt they want to try the audio-video combo receiver any time soon, and > the swift demise of google's Q doesn't vote in favor of an Internet-only > hifi-class receiver either. > I wouldn't bet the next player in the UE family, if any, is hardware > based. Having an always-connected, easily available audio source is a very distinct product from a bluetooth-capable smartphone. Key differentiators of the squeezebox (and potentially UE) line: - Device is always available and connected. If your kid wants to listen to something they don't need a smartphone. Or if you're listening and want to walk to another part of the house for a while without interrupting the audio you can do so easily. - Flexible synchronization options for whole-house audio - Optimized browsing/control interface with multiple control options (IR remote, physical buttons, web, CLI, etc.) and easy integration with automated systems - Can provide higher-quality audio (higher sample rates, etc.) than any existing smartphone devices. To be honest, this is not something I particularly care about as I'm already well past the point of diminishing returns, but there are many people who do. And this is entirely aside from the unique library management features the LMS software brings to the table. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
JJZolx wrote: > "Next step"? How so? What does Logitech gain from continuing to support > Squeezebox? Financially, nothing. $0. > > Beyond keeping mysb.com afloat, what are you expecting in terms of > support? An updated server that addresses the many hundreds of valid > bugs on file? Repairs of $2000 products that are out of warranty? > Based on the responses, I would expect a bug correction now and then, maybe a bit less active than what we have seen during the last 12 months (after the Revue shutdown). Logitech's gain, except for goodwill, is to keep Squeezebox working until they have a realistic alternative with the "new" UE Smart Radio platform, and then make all Squeezebox users purchase a UE product instead. But as I said, they will have to show that they are serious through their actions, as long as it's only words it doesn't mean anything. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playlist limit of 500?
MelonMonkey wrote: > Wow, the lowly ARM-CPU-powered empeg car stereo maintained playlists > longer than 30k tracks easily, shuffling, reshuffling, changing track > order, adding tracks, removing tracks, all without skipping a beat. > There seems to be some serious inefficiency and possible > underdevelopment with SB's playlist feature. To be fair, its not quite the same thing to hold a massive text list (I'm guessing?), vs LMS which is loading up album art for each track, so a few thousand album art pics will swallow the memory. Why dont you use Random Mix or similar? cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96243 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
erland wrote: > Based on the responses, I would expect a bug correction now and then, > maybe a bit less active than what we have seen during the last 12 months > (after the Revue shutdown). It couldn't get much less active. Face it. It's dead. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
JJZolx wrote: > It couldn't get much less active. > > Face it. It's dead. > It answers when I ping it, so something must be still alive :-) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
MeSue wrote: > > This is something from the Logitech forum thread about the NuLOOQ, but > it seems appropriate here: > > http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Design-Controllers-and/NuLooq-Navigator-in-CS4/m-p/305697#M582 The last post in that thread is November 2011. Did Logitech ever release the "source code" (drivers, I presume)? pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
cncb wrote: > A Raspberry Pi dedicated to running a full-screen version of Squeezeplay > with digital audio output seems almost perfect... I am doing my best seem to be mostly alsa diver issues being the main stoppers that said I have had overs two hours of perfect audio out...(doh jinxed it just messed up) its just messes up some of the time... external sound cards though also seem to have similar issues atm too. Phill. pssc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
Mnyb and others before him wrote: > Humor is much better than the other response you can get when saying > something wrong/silly or stupid. > Are routerhero completely unaware of the slow death the whole squeezebox > ecosystem has been put trough for years ? It took some time before I decided whether to let go or react on this exchange (as a whole, not particularly Mnyb's answer). Hail routehero (although your choice of words/judgement may have been poor), for participating in this forum, still caring for us SB users. Hail the Bablefish boy and Andy if he's still around. These are the guys, if they don't get the sack, if UE is a success, who will go *out of their way* to slip a little continuity work on the SBS platform. The corporation may be faceless && faithless, but people are not. (sorry for the apologetic moment. @Mnyb: absolutely no harm intended.) epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
pallfreeman wrote: > The last post in that thread is November 2011. Did Logitech ever release > the "source code" (drivers, I presume)? Not as far as I know. MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
erland wrote: > It seems like the some more blog comments now have been moderated, at > least a few more is now visible including some answers. > > There wasn't much news, but a few things were clarified: > > > - They will not provide an upgrade path for the Touch or any other > Squeezebox except for Squeezebox Radio. Hopefully this means they have > an UE product without built-in speakers in their roadmap, if they don't, > the UE Smart Radio line is more or less doomed at its current price > level. > - Most importantly, for the first time since 2009 when Sean left someone > in the management actually seems to read AND respond to the feedback > posted on the blog, at least some of the responses are posted in the > name of the director of the new UE products. > > I did find it interesting that in his response to my comment re: the need for a product offering that speaks to the Touch/Classic/Duet user, Ariel said that while they won't comment on what's in the pipeline, they are working on products that they believe are "compelling". That may mean absolutely nothing, but if he really paid attention to what I was saying, then perhaps there is something in the works that might be worthy of our consideration. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
Well, do we seriously believe they build up all of the new infrastructure just for a re-branded radio? pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
pippin wrote: > Well, do we seriously believe they build up all of the new > infrastructure just for a re-branded radio? It is not such a big investment for them in these days of virtual servers and CDNs. They could be testing the market for a simplified (reduced functionality) device before taking the decision bring any other devices to the market. If the radio sold well enough to convince them not to entirely kill the SB line a few years ago, then the temptation to validate their concept using essentially the same device is understandable. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
