Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
tamanaco wrote: I wonder what this will mean for the Squeezebox/UE line http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57565558-92/logitech-to-unload-harmony-line-after-disappointing-quarter/ Divest - interesting word. Presumably they're planning to sell the Harmony remotes product line. Could this be a silver lining for the Squeezebox brand? Up till now it seems they've not been prepared to let go of the rights, but could that change in light of this? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
As we articulated when we started the third quarter, continued weakness in the global PC market was the primary factor in our disappointing Q3 results Yeah... I completely understand your logic then to sell the Harmony division... A division that has nothing to do with PC's... Personally I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years we'll say: Stopping their Squeezebox line marked the beginning of the end for Logitech... servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
chill wrote: Divest - interesting word. Presumably they're planning to sell the Harmony remotes product line. Could this be a silver lining for the Squeezebox brand? Up till now it seems they've not been prepared to let go of the rights, but could that change in light of this? Divest only for remote - discontinue other lines. As a result, we have initiated the process to divest our remote controls and digital video security categories, and we plan to discontinue other non-strategic products, such as speaker docks and console gaming peripherals, by the end of Calendar Year 2013 bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
bpa wrote: Divest only for remote - discontinue other lines. Ah yes, you're right. Still, if UE gets the chop, their objections to passing on the rights to Squeezebox might no longer apply. I understand that previous approaches for the Squeezebox rights have been turned away, and it seems like this might have been because so much of the UE server code is common and because of the competition issues, but neither of those would be an issue if they kill the UE Radio. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
The rebranding of squeezebox to UE is pretty lame, but UE's headphones are very good and are quite respected. You can get custom shells made from molds of your ears, which is geared mostly to the professional musician. UE had great products before Logitech bought them (sound familiar). So I would be really surprised if they shutdown UE and didn't spin it off. Logitech makes a lot of computer and dock speakers under the Logitech name, so it could be that they are dumping those, not the UE branded products. The silver lining here would be UE gets spun off on its own or sold to another company and since squeezebox is now part of UE, it goes along for the ride. It could still turn into a bad situation, but no worse than it is now (essentially dead, at least no future). maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New versions of Squeezecenter don't like large collections-?
slate wrote: pomatomus wrote: with 580,000 tracks, server 7.5.5 takes about 7.5 hours to look for new/changed, on my reasonably fast i7 machine.QUOTE] Have you tried 7.7.1? comparable times for full rescan etc...?! I know it's a long time for a followup, but I finally got around to trying 7.7.1. I was having serious connectivity issues with the Duet and figured why not upgrade and see what happens, since it's not working anyway. Pretty sure I have a networking hardware problem with the Duet, but that's another post. LMS is working fine. So, here's my comparison between 7.5.5 and 7.7.1 scanning speeds on a large library of ~600,000 tracks on an i7 machine/win7/6gb ram: 7.5.5 clear and rescan - 27 hours 7.7.1 clear and rescan - well over 30 hours (not sure exactly as the log files used up all available space and I don't have a final timestamp) 7.5.5 scan for new: 9.5-10 hours depending on how much actual new material is there 7.7.1 scan for new - 2.75 hours +/- 15 minutes depending on how much new material there is. So, upgrading to 7.7.1 was definitely the way to go for dealing with a large collection, where you need daily scanning! pomatomus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34040 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93019 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Triode wrote: 1) target a small number of linux devices and create some standard install scripts/images for them 2) start with a headless system (no ui, but target a device with hdmi interface as we can expand into hdmi based user interface relatively easliy); users can use LMS web interface, iPeng, SqueezePad etc to controll it 3) start with usb audio as this means we can use off the shelf hardware and let the user select the level of audio engineering they want from $5 upwards... 4) assume the user has some involvement in the install process and we are not charging for the solution, so this allows the user to download standard linux codecs without concerns over patent licensing... I'd support this approach I think the PI would make an inexpensive platform for people, I have squeeze play work already on this platform with stable audio, with appropriate packages a pre installed image or an install from the pi base image should be doable, Phill. pssc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
Is it just me who find this: the company said it plans to focus more on mobile computing, specifically tablets and smartphones. a bit in conflict with this: and we plan to discontinue other non-strategic products, such as speaker docks Isn't the purpose of a speaker dock a bit related to smart phones and tablets ? Maybe they are just saying that they will focus on wireless speakers (bluetooth, AirPlay) and plan to discontinue speaker docks which you physically dock your phone in ? Regarding UE: - UE headphones is definitely related to tablets and smartphones, so I would be surprised if they are talking about the end of the UE brand. - UE Smart Radio isn't mentioned at all, which could either mean that it's not big enough to be mentioned or that they are still evaluating its potential. I can't see any indication about it's future/end in the announcement. The Harmony remotes are still the best remote controls I've ever owned, they have revolutionized my remote control operation in the same way as Squeezeboxes have revolutionized my music listening. The fact that they talk about selling Harmony line and not discontinue it, is a positive sign, it knows they are aware that it's a great product and I'm pretty sure there are other companies out there who will be able to manage the Harmony products better than Logitech have done. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
erland wrote: The Harmony remotes are still the best remote controls I've ever owned, they have revolutionized my remote control operation in the same way as Squeezeboxes have revolutionized my music listening. I agree wholeheartedly, Erland. And just like Squeezebox, Harmony wasn't properly supported by Logitech both in prodect development and marketing. neilcoburn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=653 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
Logitech = illogical tech product decisions dyohn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5211 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Happy 2012
garym wrote: Playlist: BBC World Service (live, welcoming in the New Year) Jimi Hendrix (spoken intro to Machine Gun on Band of Gypsys, happy new year) Auld Lang Sang, Michael Doucet (cajun) One Good Year, Slaid Cleaves Happy Days and Auld Lang Sang, Richard Thompson 1999, Prince New Year's Day, U2 Auld Lang Sang, Chris Issak [ off to party ] Slaid Cleaves show http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=436845 dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
Erland -- We really like our Harmony 900 and I do hope someone will pick up the line, but I ecall that Philips wasn't able to find a suitable buyer for it very high-end remote line and they dropped the whole thing. This was sad for us who had really enjoyed our touch-screen remotes from them. I suspect that Logitech is aware of the move to using mobile devices as remote controls - as was Philips - and sees the handwriting on the wall. iPeng is MUCH better for controlling my Squeezebox than my Harmony 900, and the DeRemote app runs my Denon AVR very well - again much better than the Harmony. Increasingly there are comprehensive remote control programs for iOS - and probably Android - that replace devices like the Harmony, and that also do a lot of other things as well. I wonder if the programmable hand-held remote may not be an obsolete concept. chenrikson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Some quick thinking and back of envelope figures comes up with the following: One board which has CPU, main memory (DDR2 or DDR3), boot rom, ethernet, USB, S/PDIF out, I2S to a DAC chip, WiFi and HDMI. No onboard display, no server. I have found some very nice new processors that do almost everything here, have linux distros ready to go which include drivers for all this (including audio for USB, I2S and S/PDIF). Quick calculations come up with $170 for board, all parts, and assembly in 25 unit quantities. Of course price goes down as quantity increases. This does NOT include: case, power supply, antenna and final assembly. I found a very interesting DAC chip for this. As some of you might have read in my posts, I am convinced that one of the biggest problems with getting REALLY good sound from digital audio is the compromised digital filters in DAC chip. This DAC is uniquein that it has a general purpose DSP system included which allows you to implement your own filter! (by default it uses the good old broken design that everybody uses, but you don't HAVE to use it) Using a non compromised filter will significantly improve the sound quality over what you can get from say a Touch. It also has enough power to do things like room correction filters, speaker crossovers etc. And it costs $9 in singles. It has a direct drive output so it can directly drive RCA jacks without any caps or op amps etc. With this DSP it can easily do things such as what was done in the Boom without adding any extra circuitry. It can also do other things such as Dolby digital or DTS decoding. I would add a connector on the main board so you can add an inexpensive daugther board and get 4 more outputs, you can then have it do surround sound or digtial crossovers for triamped speaker systems. With all the processing done inside the DAC chip! The WiFi is also rather interesting, I found a little WiFi module which has it's own processor which has a web server for configuratgion, supports bridge mode, AP mode AND has a router and DHCP server built in, all for $30. This means that not only can it connect to an existing wireless network, it can make it's OWN wireless network so you can use iPeng (or whatever) without having to have an existing network or worrying about how to connect this box and your chose remote to something else. It offloads all the wireless encryption etc from the main processor, it just looks like a wired ethernet device to the main processor (it also has a 5 port ethernet switch built in which can even do VLANs if you REALLY want to do fancy IT stuff) Without having to do display or wifi stuff the main processor really doesn't have all that much to do, just run linux, IP stack, audio drivers and Squeezelite. It doesn't need to be a very powerful processor. There are some very nice new processors which are very low power (electrical wise, not throughput wise) which have two processors on the same chip, one which is the main processor and the other that is optimized for peripheral handling which takes care of a lot of the real time interaction with things such as the ethernet and USB, freeing up the main processor from having to deal with the low level interactions with these. The linux drivers deal with all this already. With the low power use of everything in the system it might be quite possible to run this as a battery powered device. It's not going to be very big either, something like 3x3 inches. How does that sound, any thoughts? Thanks, John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
pssc wrote: I'd support this approach I think the PI would make an inexpensive platform for people, I have squeeze play work already on this platform with stable audio, with appropriate packages a pre installed image or an install from the pi base image should be doable, Yes, but the Pi onboard audio leaves more than a little to be desired from a SQ perspective. And as soon as you connect a UAC2 DAC you find out that the Pi is somewhat less than desirable as a platform in that regard, as well. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: How does that sound, any thoughts? I'm with you on using off-chip OS/DF. What DAC chip do you have in mind? JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Happy 2012
dasmueller wrote: Slaid Cleaves show http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=436845 Thanks. Big fan of Slaid. I keep barely missing seeing him live in several places I've visited. p.s. Saw a great show you would have loved last Sunday night in NYC (rescheduled from Nov, so lucky for me). Bela Fleck and the Banjo Summit. Several of the banjo superstars therefantastic show: http://blog.deeringbanjos.com/new-york-banjo-summit-to-feature-bela-fleck-tony-trischka-and-more/ garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: How does that sound, any thoughts? I hesitate to ask, but particularly in light of the self-contained wifi, is there likely to be room on the processor to run LMS too? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: Yes, but the Pi onboard audio leaves more than a little to be desired from a SQ perspective. And as soon as you connect a UAC2 DAC you find out that the Pi is somewhat less than desirable as a platform in that regard, as well. I believe this to be very dac dependant - its useless for my dac, but others have not problems.. Its a great target if the usb can be made to work.. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: Some quick thinking and back of envelope figures comes up with the following: One board which has CPU, main memory (DDR2 or DDR3), boot rom, ethernet, USB, S/PDIF out, I2S to a DAC chip, WiFi and HDMI. No onboard display, no server. I have found some very nice new processors that do almost everything here, have linux distros ready to go which include drivers for all this (including audio for USB, I2S and S/PDIF). Quick calculations come up with $170 for board, all parts, and assembly in 25 unit quantities. Of course price goes down as quantity increases. This does NOT include: case, power supply, antenna and final assembly. I found a very interesting DAC chip for this. As some of you might have read in my posts, I am convinced that one of the biggest problems with getting REALLY good sound from digital audio is the compromised digital filters in DAC chip. This DAC is uniquein that it has a general purpose DSP system included which allows you to implement your own filter! (by default it uses the good old broken design that everybody uses, but you don't HAVE to use it) Using a non compromised filter will significantly improve the sound quality over what you can get from say a Touch. It also has enough power to do things like room correction filters, speaker crossovers etc. And it costs $9 in singles. It has a direct drive output so it can directly drive RCA jacks without any caps or op amps etc. With this DSP it can easily do things such as what was done in the Boom without adding any extra circuitry. It can also do other things such as Dolby digital or DTS decoding. I would add a connector on the main board so you can add an inexpensive daugther board and get 4 more outputs, you can then have it do surround sound or digtial crossovers for triamped speaker systems. With all the processing done inside the DAC chip! The WiFi is also rather interesting, I found a little WiFi module which has it's own processor which has a web server for configuratgion, supports bridge mode, AP mode AND has a router and DHCP server built in, all for $30. This means that not only can it connect to an existing wireless network, it can make it's OWN wireless network so you can use iPeng (or whatever) without having to have an existing network or worrying about how to connect this box and your chose remote to something else. It offloads all the wireless encryption etc from the main processor, it just looks like a wired ethernet device to the main processor (it also has a 5 port ethernet switch built in which can even do VLANs if you REALLY want to do fancy IT stuff) Without having to do display or wifi stuff the main processor really doesn't have all that much to do, just run linux, IP stack, audio drivers and Squeezelite. It doesn't need to be a very powerful processor. There are some very nice new processors which are very low power (electrical wise, not throughput wise) which have two processors on the same chip, one which is the main processor and the other that is optimized for peripheral handling which takes care of a lot of the real time interaction with things such as the ethernet and USB, freeing up the main processor from having to deal with the low level interactions with these. The linux drivers deal with all this already. With the low power use of everything in the system it might be quite possible to run this as a battery powered device. It's not going to be very big either, something like 3x3 inches. How does that sound, any thoughts? Thanks, John S. Hi John - many thoughts on this 1) Anything from an arm5 at 400Mhz or so would be enough for basic flac playback and possibly a limited display, but it would be infinitely preferable to have hardfloat support and armv6, single core would be ok (Pi type class - armv6 or later, 600MHz or more) 2) Floating point means better support of aac and vorbis and allows the standard libfaad, libvorbis to be used 3) Squeezlite has as small a footprint as I could manage, but it would be nice to have a bit more memory if we want to do hdmi user interface. [I have some thoughts in that area too - can you make it 128M at least?] 4) Can we validate it has real ehci usb hardware rather than the s*** that Pi has!) 5) Can we pick something which is arm based so libspotify will work on it? 6) Ability to run some form of server would be nice, long term this need not be LMS! However I think it would be good to have some headroom unless you think this hits the cost too much. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC Radio titles
Still no data from the BBC on this.. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97543 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: Some quick thinking and back of envelope figures comes up with the following: ... How does that sound, any thoughts? Headphone jack? What about an IR receiver? It would be nice to be leave open the possibility of one day implementing a user interface, or at least having basic (if blind) player control. Plus the ability (with the headphone jack) to use IR Blaster. I'm having a hard time seeing all those I/O connectors on a device that is 3 x 3. Something the size of an SB2 or larger would be fine with me. For sound quality, I would think the proximity of components on the board plays a role. Does cost go up much if that board is 3 x 6 or 4 x 8? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Happy 2012
Will take a look. I see there are 2 more Slaid shows on dime now. Not Sbd's tho. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92702 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Triode wrote: Hi John - many thoughts on this 1) Anything from an arm5 at 400Mhz or so would be enough for basic flac playback and possibly a limited display, but it would be infinitely preferable to have hardfloat support and armv6, single core would be ok (Pi type class - armv6 or later, 600MHz or more) 2) Floating point means better support of aac and vorbis and allows the standard libfaad, libvorbis to be used 3) Squeezlite has as small a footprint as I could manage, but it would be nice to have a bit more memory if we want to do hdmi user interface. [I have some thoughts in that area too - can you make it 128M at least?] 4) Can we validate it has real ehci usb hardware rather than the s*** that Pi has!) 5) Can we pick something which is arm based so libspotify will work on it? 6) Ability to run some form of server would be nice, long term this need not be LMS! However I think it would be good to have some headroom unless you think this hits the cost too much. What I am thinking about is one of the TI cortex A8 CPUs, armV7 based with the VFPv3 floating point unit. The ones I'm looking at are in the 600-700MHz range. You can get faster ones but they cost more, and are only available on the bigger chips which are much harder to route, which most likely means a more expensive board. The design I'm thinking of has 256MB memory, it's easy to go to 512MB but the memory chip costs 3 times as much for doubling the capacity. Anything above 512MB means multiple memory chips which again increases the board cost. If you go up to 1GHz models you have to switch memory chip architecture which again costs more. You can go up to 2.7GHz versions, but it's a HUGE chip that is going to take a pretty expensive board. I'm thinking that the 600MHz version is more than enough for just a player. If we start adding a server at the same time we probably want at least the 1GHz version, it will be a bit more expensive though. Anything above 1GHz is going to cost a lot more. With a 1GHz processor and 512MB of memory it's probably in the $200 to $220 range for the board. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: How does that sound, any thoughts? VLAN support sounds great, and I suppose this means gigabit ethernet ? Then a single ethernet port would do for a router-on-a-stick configuration. Would save cost and power I guess. In fact, I find VLAN extremely interesting. SBS setup, particularly networking/DNS seems a sore point for many. Over here in France we have an ISP called Free; they offer an internet gateway+a tv box; Plug both in your network -or via the provided CPL plugs- and automagically everything works: they use a specific VLAN to create the link between the 2, so the internet gateway can run a dhcp server and all services and QoS polcies needed, in its own realm. Nobody uses VLANs at home -except for VOIP perhaps, so what you get is a factory configured player-server pair, that works out-of-the box 99,99% times -and the 0.01% can understand why it's not workingÂ… True plug and play exists, I've seen it. An NTP server would be nice, too. I think a physical power button, and possibly physical rf-kill button would be pleasing. If that thing is able to do room correction, does it make sense to have a mic in port for the device to figure out by itself what filter is needed ? (totally naive question; I've used once in my life an eq w/ pink noise generator.) I too, vote for headphone/IR out, for IR Blasting. And for a lot of headroom. If I had choice between $170 w/ 256MB ram and $190 w/ 1 or 2GB, I would not hesitate a second and choose the latter. One of the beauties of the SB3 was its ability to improve over time, just with firmware upgrades. It was a thin device. If the new player is fat -and controlling the QoS would be one of the few good reasons- then I think we need a lot of free room -and power too. I keep my amps/speakers 10 years at least, the SB3 longevity was perfectly fit, and exemplary IMO. Just my 2cts. With many thanks. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Triode wrote: I believe this to be very dac dependant - its useless for my dac, but others have not problems.. Its a great target if the usb can be made to work.. OK, well to quantify, I've yet to find a report of any UAC2 async implementation working well. By that I mean without any glitches at all. Sure, you can fiddle around with buffer sizes, but if USB packets are being dropped, which is what I believe is happening, it's game over. I have a gut feeling that it is not going to be fixed with a software update any time soon. I'm not holding my breath. From my own point of view, I've tried just about every UAC2 capable chipset that exists with it. Even the reference XMOS design, with which I have not had a problem with any other piece of hardware on which I can compile and run the alsa usb driver. YMMV. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: I'm thinking that the 600MHz version is more than enough for just a player. If we start adding a server at the same time we probably want at least the 1GHz version, it will be a bit more expensive though. Anything above 1GHz is going to cost a lot more. With a 1GHz processor and 512MB of memory it's probably in the $200 to $220 range for the board. John, I'd encourage you to go for more rather than less. An A8 proc with at least 512M. (Pandaboard ES is A9 1.2GHz dual core with 1024MB RAM. That retails for $180.) I think there is a market for something that isn't bargain basement and that has the power to run more than just a software player. ie. the server as well. (That was supposed to be the Touch. But we all know what a dog that was for running the server.) If people want to do it at beer money prices, there are already ways of doing software players on the cheap with $30 devices and $20 USB DAC's. But if you are going to go to the trouble of designing a board, future proof it and build in flexibility, rather than it being just enough. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Last played albums
I would really like to have a recently played album list similar to Google music. I have trackstat. Is it possible to stick the last played album list on the main menu... Just under new music for example for quick access? Sinkdrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97934 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
I use my phone to control my squeezebox but would never want to control my whole system with it. The beauty of a remote is keeping your eyes of it and using it by feel. Its great to push one tactile button that immediately starts a sequence of commands for a single activity. No unlocking a screen, finding an app and worse switching between them. The idea of using phones and tablets as remotes is new and fun but not long lasting like a well designed dedicated remote. Squeezebox is different as your dealing with album covers... But I'd never control the volume of my receive with squeezecommander! Sinkdrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: I'm thinking that the 600MHz version is more than enough for just a player. If we start adding a server at the same time we probably want at least the 1GHz version, it will be a bit more expensive though. Anything above 1GHz is going to cost a lot more. With a 1GHz processor and 512MB of memory it's probably in the $200 to $220 range for the board. If we are talking about a DIY model or a small volume module module pre-packaged for geeks, I would say that between: - 600MHz + 256MB for $170 - 1GHz + 512MB for $220 I would go for the 1GHz model to make it more future proof. For a simple player we might not need the extra resources, but if we start adding HDMI support to able to connect it to a TV we might want to do visualization on the TV and show high res album covers and things like that could easily use more CPU and memory even if we don't run a server directly on the box. Also, who knows, maybe we want to run Android on it sometime in the future to get access to the Android app market, in this case a bit more memory and faster CPU is probably also a good idea to make that kind of possibility an option. The 2.7GHz model feels like way too much. I don't think the price increase from $170 to $220 will cause a problem for DIY enthusiasts, the Raspberry Pi and SheevaPlug devices is attractive because they are below $100, if you go above $100 or $150 I don't think it matter much if its $150 or $250 for the DIY enthusiasts. The situation would be a lot different if you are targeting mass market users, in this case the difference between a $170 and $220 board could be important. Of course, if the board design will require a lot more work with a 1GHz model with 512MB, it might be better to do a first batch with the slower model to check the interest and upgrade it to a newer board later when there is a need. But in this case I would make the first model as simple as possible, to get it as cheap as possible and instead say that you will do a new design when there are needs for a faster CPU/more memory. So basically it's a decision if you want the first version to be a bit future proof or just something that's works good with how we look at the world at this exact moment. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
chenrikson wrote: I suspect that Logitech is aware of the move to using mobile devices as remote controls - as was Philips - and sees the handwriting on the wall. iPeng is MUCH better for controlling my Squeezebox than my Harmony 900, and the DeRemote app runs my Denon AVR very well - again much better than the Harmony. It depends on the use case: - if I just want to start a smart playlist I use the IR remote all the time. - if I want to browse my library to find something to listen to I use the iPad with iPeng or SqueezePad. I know people who have Samsung TV's and many/most of them still use the IR remote when changing channels/volume even if there is a smartphone app for it. IR (with hard buttons) have a lot of advantage compared to a touch screen remote because you can look at the TV while controlling it, you don't have to look at the remote control as you have to if you are controlling it with a smart phone/tablet app. Also, with a smart phone app you can typically only control a single device with a specific app, so you need to switch between apps to turn on the amplifier, change the right channel on the TV, turn on and hit play on the blueray player. With the Harmony, it's a single click on the Watch blueray on TV activity and everything is setup in a couple of seconds and you are ready to go. I guess the situation is going to be different in 5-10 years when we start to get universal remote control apps for smart phone/tablets which can control multiple devices, but before that happens IR remotes like the Harmony line will still have a future. If you select the right equipment you can maybe get this experience already today, but if you have equipment from many different manufacturers it's usually not that easy to accomplish without a universal IR remote. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Last played albums
Sinkdrain wrote: I would really like to have a recently played album list similar to Google music. I have trackstat. Is it possible to stick the last played album list on the main menu... Just under new music for example for quick access? You can do it if you also install Custom Browse plugin. Custom Browse have an Albums menu which you can rename to Last Albums or create a new one called Last Albums, and configure it so it's sorted by last played times and in the Custom Browse Settings section Enabled menus move it up to the home menu. You will need both TrackStat and Custom Browse for it to work because Custom Browse uses the data handled by TrackStat in this scenario. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97934 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
Just the latest chapter in the story of a company with no direction. Have they gotten rid of the iPod docks (speaker docks) already? I can't find them anywhere on either the Logitech or UE web sites, yet I still see them for sale at places like Amazon. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech divesting from some product lines
Have they gotten rid of the iPod docks (speaker docks) already? I can't find them anywhere on either the Logitech or UE web sites, yet I still see them for sale at places like Amazon. Yes, the classical dock with a hardware connector is dead. It's all about wireless today (AirPlay, Bluetooth). -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
