Re: [slim] The Demise of the Transporter
JJZolx wrote:
> To be honest, the Transporter was an inside joke by Sean Adams, who
> chuckled under his breath at audiophiles and the little rarefied world
> that they live in. He designed a very nice sounding device, and gave it
> an arbitrary price tag. ("Hey Tony, how does $1000 sound? That's
> expensive, right?" "Nah, why don't you make it $2000?" "Sure. What the
> hell.")
>
> Transporter was never where Logitech wanted to take the product line.
> They were hoping for something more mainstream, but could never quite
> make that happen financially. If they could have sold a device for $99,
> then Squeezebox might still be alive. Unfortunately, they inherited
> (bought, actually) an ecosystem that was extremely expensive to
> maintain, and way more rickety than they'd hoped.
>
> Forensically, their problem was that they hired a lot of guys who
> understood the hardware, audio and networking sides of things, but they
> pretty thoroughly fucked up the data modeling and (to a lesser extent)
> the user interface. If Logitech had immediately made the decision to
> port the software to a native Windows application and knocked out a
> device for $99, I guarantee the Squeezebox would still be alive today.
It was not overpriced. It is worth every penny. Design, build quality,
components, and sound quality all top. So the price is OK.
Callesoroe
Living room: Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan
Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma
PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas)
Kitchen: Transporter, Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers. Bedroom:
Receiver+UE boombox, Kids: Receiver+Active speakers, WIMP-HIFI flac
streaming.
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Re: [slim] Can't select media folders on Synology NAS drive
What nas do you have and what version of LMS are you running?
If you want to select a folder, what folders do you see? None or not the
right ones.
-Synology nas DS115 - Logitech Media Server 7.9.0 ('LMS-Repack'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103636-Test-Repo-for-LMS-7-9-0-on-Synology-DSM-5-*&p=817970&viewfull=1#post817970))
-Raspberry PI B+ (PicorePlayer), HifiBerry DAC+ - Cambridge Azur 840A -
PMC GB1i
-2x Radio
-Laptop - openSUSE - Squeezelite
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Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
That's actually a perfect plan!!! I just set up Squeeze2Upnp, and it works perfectly with my AMP, meaning I son't need the Pi in the lounge anymore...if it works with the Chromecast Audio as well, then that means I can keep LMS, but still use the Chromecast devices to stream from LMS (webradio and Qobuz for example) and still cast from Chrome or Android with apps like "Play Music". This is pretty much perfect! The Squeeze2Upnp Plugin was something I always ignored so far since I saw little advantage in using it, now I know better. I handles HighRes streams from Qobuz fine btw., so no trouble there either. Is the Chromecast Audio fully compatible with DLNA! Or does it need some workarounds or anything? CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Demise of the Transporter
JJZolx wrote: > Unfortunately, they inherited (bought, actually) an ecosystem that was > extremely expensive to maintain, and way more rickety than they'd hoped. Funny that. I've never had any reliability problems with any version of SlimServer/SqueezeCenter/LMS. I've run various incarnations on FreeBSD, Win2000, Ubuntu and Fedora. It always just worked. So I can't understand where you get your idea of "rickety" from. Or perhaps you're speaking in terms of the development and support effort required. I guess that's possible, but I don't have any inside knowledge of what their software guys had to deal with. JJZolx wrote: > Forensically, their problem was that they hired a lot of guys who > understood the hardware, audio and networking sides of things, but they > pretty thoroughly fucked up the data modeling and (to a lesser extent) > the user interface. Seems to me that what Logitech actually did was see that there might be money to be made from the streaming audio market, and so took a punt on buying a semi-mature technology to try and enter that marketplace. It only cost what for them was petty cash. Unfortunately they never understood the Slim Devices vision so had no idea where to take things. Everyone seems to think that in hardware terms the Touch was the crowning glory, but it was the beginning of the end - a "non-slim Slim Device", as it were. By trying to put some of the intelligence into the player, they completely missed the point of how the ecosystem was supposed to work. Luckily for customers who did understand the system, they could ignore the cut-down server they tried to put on the Touch and just use it as a player. But it was presented to the mass market as an all-in-one solution, and that just didn't work. What Logitech should have done is release some sort of LMS appliance so they could sell a turnkey server and stick with genuinely slim players. If they couldn't even figure out how to do that, they could have bought Vortexbox for much less than they paid for Slim Devices. JJZolx wrote: > If Logitech had immediately made the decision to port the software to a > native Windows application and knocked out a device for $99, I guarantee > the Squeezebox would still be alive today. Perhaps something would still be alive, but it wouldn't be much like the Squeezebox system we know and love. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104431 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Chromecast Audio has a nice price, presumably because Google is setting the price based on a mixed calculation (you don't just generate revenue by purchasing the hardware, but also by using more Google services). IMO, the way to exploit the cheap hardware is by hacking it. Google Cast's strength is it's polish and ease-of-use. But I presume it lacks many of the advanced features I like about the Squeeze ecosystem. Does the Chromecast Audio, when used in conjunction with Squeeze2Upnp, support (i) tight synchronization, (ii) ReplayGain, (iii) gapless playback, etc.? If it doesn't, I don't find the device all that exciting. Although, you know what would be really cool? Squeezelite running on a rooted Chromecast Audio! poing's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63617 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
poing wrote: > Does the Chromecast Audio, when used in conjunction with Squeeze2Upnp, > support (i) tight synchronization, (ii) ReplayGain, (iii) gapless > playback, etc.? And is it bit-perfect so it will work with DTS and AC-3? atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
poing wrote: > Although, you know what would be really cool? Squeezelite running on a > rooted Chromecast Audio! Unlikely since users have not been able to root existing Chromecasts with recent firmware. It seems only Chromecast with old not-upadted firmeare have been rooted. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Demise of the Transporter
i have two, one of which i use via its digital output to a Meridian G61. i could use a touch for the same purpose, but the transporter looks so much cooler. i paid $1300 for one, and $600 for the other, several years apart. the average seems about right, and it sounds fabulous via its analog outputs in my main rig. -- 4 TB Drobo-->FW 800-->mac mini-->Ethernet Transporter--> Wireworld Eclipse 6 coax-->Meridian G61 G61--> Nordost Red Dawn-->Primare 30.3 Primare-->Ocos--Vienna Acoustics Beethoven/Maestro netchord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104431 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
@bpa I really hope it's possible to do that. Google just confirmed that you can't use the Chromecast Audio as DLNA receiver directly. I'm no dev, so I have no clue how you'd go about streaming to Chromecast from anything but Android/Chrome/iOS If it is possible though, it would make installing Players for LMS a breeze, since you get a complete package, DAC, optical out, all neatly wrapped and packed. And of course WiFi ac... CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > @bpa > I really hope it's possible to do that. Google just confirmed that you > can't use the Chromecast Audio as DLNA receiver directly. > I'm no dev, so I have no clue how you'd go about streaming to Chromecast > from anything but Android/Chrome/iOS > > If it is possible though, it would make installing Players for LMS a > breeze, since you get a complete package, DAC, optical out, all neatly > wrapped and packed. And of course WiFi ac... AFAICT Chromecast doe not run Linux they run a version of ChromeOS so there is a no SDK. This make would make it difficult to port Squeezelite. The other choice would require somebody to port Linux to Chromecast hardware - another non trivial task when there is no documentation on the h/w. If Chromecast could be rooted or have Linux ported onto it - it would have been done already for the existing Chromecast. I don't think Google will support Chromecast Audo as a DLNA renderer as it is not part of the architecture - audio shoudl be cast by a DLNA renderer running on an Android system/tv/phone or similar. As a test last year - I've ported Squeezelite as a Chrome Native Client (i.e. runs natively under Chrome) which can then cast audio easily but Chrome only supports 48/44.1 16bit. wrt Chromecast capabilities - IIRC Google said in a recent PR they hoped to do synced audio from multiple chromecasts next year. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
The Rocki player has analog output BUT works out of the box with upnpbridge costs about the same as the CA Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker UPnPBridge - O2 Joggler - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers UPnPBridge - Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8 speaker Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
I believe the most realistic route would not be to modify the Chromecast, but to teach LMS (or rather a LMS Plugin) the Cast Protocol. Pretty much like BubbleUpnp that can send data to pretty much everything, including Chromecast devices. Problem is, that's on Android, no idea how "open" the Cast protocol is, and whether it can be applied in a useful form from LMS... CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > I believe the most realistic route would not be to modify the > Chromecast, but to teach LMS (or rather a LMS Plugin) the Cast Protocol. > Pretty much like BubbleUpnp that can send data to pretty much > everything, including Chromecast devices. Problem is, that's on Android, > no idea how "open" the Cast protocol is, and whether it can be applied > in a useful form from LMS... The Chrome browser can also cast and that is why I tested porting a Squeezelite player as a Chrome Native native client (i.e. it runs within a Chrome web page tab and same cleint runs on Windows, OSX and Linux - also on Chromebook) - the downside was that the Chrome Audio is limited to 44.1/48. Google "cast" docs can be found here but they are mainly centered around sending audio to a Google Chromecast. https://developers.google.com/cast/docs/reference/ Personally I think Chromecast Audio is dead end for LMS - too much reverse engineering is needed to get a basic solution which can be undone at a stroke by Google. A Pi packaged with a DAC running PicoPlayer is a more maintainable long term solution but it is not a ready neat package for non technical end users. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
@bpa You're probably right, I saw a project on Github that is apparently working on Protocol V2, but not sure how stable or useful that is. I thought for a moment, that BubbleUpnp Server might help, but I'm not entirely sure how it works, and whether it would serve this purpose at all. Well anyway, it can't hurt to look into it, if it turns out to be impossible (which is likely), then so be it... ;) The charm of Chromecast is, that you could use it for LMS and also with various streaming apps on Chrome/Android/iOS. 2in1 basically... :D CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
dang it! its doing it again. GAPS!!! roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
roggae wrote: > dang it! its doing it again. GAPS!!! fixed. switched to digital only output. solved. roggae's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
I'm new to this "casting" stuff as of yesterday but I'm learning fast. As I reported earlier, I have experimented running cast capable apps, Spotify and LocalCast, with good success. But then I noticed that my Android phone has an overall casting control. I turned it on and the cast icon appears in the notification area at the top of the screen. Figuring I had nothing to loose I fired up Squeeze Player and Orangesqueeze, selected my phone as the player, and sure enough my LMS library is available for casting and control. Just like a "real" Squeezebox. And the Triode Spotify app works too. It seems that the music is actually being cast from the Squeeze Player app on the phone and not from LMS running on my network. I close OrangeSqueeze and the music continues. I turn off Squeeze Player and the music stops. Turn it back on and it starts again. If I lose WiFi on the phone the music stops. So it's definitely being channeled through the phone. With the LocalCast app, once you start the stream from the phone you can shut down the app, leave WiFi coverage, or shut the phone off and the music keeps streaming from the network server. I have no idea how routing the data through the phone affects the bit rate delivered to the DAC . Those with knowledge of the inner workings of the Squeezebox system may be able to shed light on this. All I can say is that playing music this way, the sound quality of the digital-out of the Chromecast seems on par with the digital-out of the Touch. My phone is a Nexus 5 that just updated to Android 6. I installed the Google Cast app to set up the Chromecast and I suspect that is where the phone's seemingly innate casting ability came from. Not sure if all Androids have this capability. I still intend to experiment with squeeze2upnp to get the Chromecast to be even more like a "real" Squeezebox. markbrauer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
