Re: [slim] Sonos dropping support for older equipment
slartibartfast wrote: > I think someone should comment on the Sonos forum that the legacy > products can still be used with LMS [emoji3] > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk I've done that many times (including yesterday) ... surprisingly little interest. The Sonos forum and community is a strange and often unwelcoming phenomenon! There is a substantial number of 'fanboys' who will attack anyone who has even constructive criticism to offer. A gentle hint I made yesterday about 'other ways to use Sonos devices' was promptly put down as 'nonsense' by one of these characters. In the current threads about the 'legacy' issue I am quite amazed by the amount of $$$ some people have spent on their systems - quite a number are threatening to sell their equipment and move off to other equally overpriced and proprietary closed systems as a solution. LMS server: Pi Zero Amp: Denon PMA-50 Players/Speakers: Touch, Logitech Radios, Sonos Play 1s & Beam, Libratone Zipp, GGMM E2 & E3, Yamaha WXAD-010, Loewe Airspeaker, Google Chromecast Audio, Home Mini & Nest Hub, Amazon Echo 2,3 and Show5, Pioneer WX-SMA1, Roberts S1, O2 Joggler, Cisco Joggler, Avantree Priva BT transmitter Brexit = stupidity castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos dropping support for older equipment
Paul Webster wrote: > The music is the same but the delivery mechanism for Internet-accessible > music has been changing ... e.g. more https, higher bit rate services, > other protocols (eg hls). > LMS is able to hide much of that for our devices but Sonos works in a > different way. > I could believe that their old devices are somewhere near the limit of > their capability but my guess is that it is becoming hard for them to > write software that works across the entire range (where old kit has > different chips) plus the extra time it takes to test everything against > the full set of hardware increases their costs. > > Their communication of this on top of the bricking of kit to get a > discount on upgrade does seem very poor.I think someone should comment on the > Sonos forum that the legacy products can still be used with LMS [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos dropping support for older equipment
The music is the same but the delivery mechanism for Internet-accessible music has been changing ... e.g. more https, higher bit rate services, other protocols (eg hls). LMS is able to hide much of that for our devices but Sonos works in a different way. I could believe that their old devices are somewhere near the limit of their capability but my guess is that it is becoming hard for them to write software that works across the entire range (where old kit has different chips) plus the extra time it takes to test everything against the full set of hardware increases their costs. Their communication of this on top of the bricking of kit to get a discount on upgrade does seem very poor. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotty errors on desktop / RDP?
Any ideas? Does it have anything to do with redirected audio because of RDP? I don't think so. Spotty doesn't touch the system's audio output. If you sat in front of that computer and logged in locally, wouldn't you see the same messages? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos dropping support for older equipment
"some of the oldest products have been stretched to their technical limits in terms of memory and processing power." Has music somehow dramatically changed in the past few years? Bad day to be a sonos fanatic. 1 Touch 2 Receivers 1 Controller 2 Radios FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Sonos dropping support for older equipment
This article notes that equipment they were selling as recently as 2015 is likely to be bricked: https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-is-sonos-dropping-support-older-speakers-and-does-the-reason-hold-up/ ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?
I've volunteered it in the past but I'm more than happy to do so again... if anybody wants to put together a backup vbulletin or other type of board, I will gladly donate the hosting indefinitely. I run a design company and have run a reseller account since 2002 and have no problem dedicating the space. Anybody say the word. 1 Touch 2 Receivers 1 Controller 2 Radios FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Spotty errors on desktop / RDP?
I use RDP a lot on the squeezebox server. Every time I log in there's a dozen or so errors on my screen related to spotty. Music seems to play just fine, so if something is crashing it appears to relaunch just fine with no ill effects. I usually just click "ok" through all the errors and ignore them. Any ideas? Does it have anything to do with redirected audio because of RDP? Either way, thanks so much for keeping spotty up to date. I use it daily. 1 Touch 2 Receivers 1 Controller 2 Radios FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111533 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?
echable wrote: > Not working for me either, I think it's more for static web pages than > forums. yes, wayback machine is static snapshots of webpages at a certain point in time. Not very useful for searching, etc. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How large is your local music library 2020?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111480 Question: How large is your local music library in 2020? - More than 100,000 songs - Between 50,000 - 100,000 songs - Between 25,000 - 50,000 songs - Between 10,000 - 25,000 songs - Between 1,000 - 10,000 songs - Less than 1,000 songs - Don't have a local library (only use internet radio and streaming services) kappclark wrote: > 29125 > > My goal for 2020 - clean up the Genres !Some have way more than 119. [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111480 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How large is your local music library 2020?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111480 Question: How large is your local music library in 2020? - More than 100,000 songs - Between 50,000 - 100,000 songs - Between 25,000 - 50,000 songs - Between 10,000 - 25,000 songs - Between 1,000 - 10,000 songs - Less than 1,000 songs - Don't have a local library (only use internet radio and streaming services) 29125 My goal for 2020 - clean up the Genres ! +---+ |Filename: Library2020.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29125| +---+ -- Bill Clark, Windham, VT Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.2 - 1578727069 @ Sat Jan 11 08:44:06 CET 2020 Hostname: ubuntu-lms - ProxMox Virtual Environment 5.4-3 piCorePlayer | piCorePlayer v5.0.0 | linux 4.19.40-pcpCore_v7 | piCore v10.1pCP | Squeezelite v1.9.2-1158-pCP --- kappclark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29572 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111480 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How large is your local music library 2020?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111480 Question: How large is your local music library in 2020? - More than 100,000 songs - Between 50,000 - 100,000 songs - Between 25,000 - 50,000 songs - Between 10,000 - 25,000 songs - Between 1,000 - 10,000 songs - Less than 1,000 songs - Don't have a local library (only use internet radio and streaming services) d6jg wrote: > My library is a mix of CD rips and Flacs made from Vinyl with the odd > download. I like to have complete artist collections. > > I listen most days for 7+ hours but have two forms of listening. > During the day I usually start off choosing an album from New Music and > then let LastMix/DSTM do its stuff. This is sometimes background music > and sometimes I listen seriously. > During the evening my listening is totally serious and I generally > curate my own playlist starting from wherever the mood takes me. > > > > Library > > Total genres: 186 > Total artists: 3707 > Total albums: 2957 > Total songs: 35495 > Total duration: 105 days 12:39:06 > Last scan: 20/01/2020 18:53:41 PS I am hopeful that the Qobuz integration is going to stop me buying CDs in future. Can but hope. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111480 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How large is your local music library 2020?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111480 Question: How large is your local music library in 2020? - More than 100,000 songs - Between 50,000 - 100,000 songs - Between 25,000 - 50,000 songs - Between 10,000 - 25,000 songs - Between 1,000 - 10,000 songs - Less than 1,000 songs - Don't have a local library (only use internet radio and streaming services) garym wrote: > Both for me. If I like an artist, I like to own as much of their catalog > as possible. But I do listen to what I collect. Fortunately, my life is > setup so that I can listen to music 10 hours a day (or more!). That > said, some things I collect I listen to once. Other things I listen to a > lot. My library is a mix of CD rips and Flacs made from Vinyl with the odd download. I like to have complete artist collections. I listen most days for 7+ hours but have two forms of listening. During the day I usually start off choosing an album from New Music and then let LastMix/DSTM do its stuff. This is sometimes background music and sometimes I listen seriously. During the evening my listening is totally serious and I generally curate my own playlist starting from wherever the mood takes me. Library Total genres: 186 Total artists: 3707 Total albums: 2957 Total songs: 35495 Total duration: 105 days 12:39:06 Last scan: 20/01/2020 18:53:41 VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111480 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How large is your local music library 2020?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111480 Question: How large is your local music library in 2020? - More than 100,000 songs - Between 50,000 - 100,000 songs - Between 25,000 - 50,000 songs - Between 10,000 - 25,000 songs - Between 1,000 - 10,000 songs - Less than 1,000 songs - Don't have a local library (only use internet radio and streaming services) Total Tracks: 40,465 Total Albums: 3,979 Total Artists: 1,642 Spotify has really reduced my buying cadence, but I still buy meaningful stuff for the collection (like garym said, if I like an artist I make sure to support them, plus I like their stuff in my real library). ...p ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 14 Pro) running Ubuntu 18.04 + LMS 7.9.1 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111480 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?
RobbH wrote: > > Thanks for that. I should have thought of the internet archive. That may > be a valuable resource. However, so far my attempts to access any > content there have failed. I'm probably doing something wrong, but I > wonder if it's working for anyone else. > Not working for me either, I think it's more for static web pages than forums. echable's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69542 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?
RobbH wrote: > it is true that LMS installations will still work and all services that > do not depend on msb.com will continue to work. But the community of > users may be scattered and crucial information may be lost. True, the greatest lost would be the community of users here. Hopefully the word could get out somehow about a new gathering spot. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?
mherger wrote: > > Should we be thinking about attempting something similar? > > This question has come up ever since Logitech announced the end of SB > years ago. I'd wait until the real end has been announced. Unless you're > > willing to spend a lot of time, effort and ressources on moving > elsewhere. > > -- > > Michael Thanks. No, I confess, I'm like the mouse who suggests tying a bell to the cat in an old fable. I'm willing to suggest action, but not to undertake it myself. I think you understand how Logitech operates better than anyone else, so if you are confident that there will be enough advance warning of a shutdown, I accept that. I do want to emphasize that I am NOT as concerned about technical issues as with social and informational aspects. If we should find one morning that mysqueezebox.com has been shut down and the slimdevices sites are no longer accessible, it is true that LMS installations will still work and all services that do not depend on msb.com will continue to work. But the community of users may be scattered and crucial information may be lost. Note that I say these things "may" happen, not that they certainly will happen. garym wrote: > don't know how complete this would be, or how easy to search, but there > is the "wayback" machine at archive.org. > https://web.archive.org/web/*/slimdevices Thanks for that. I should have thought of the internet archive. That may be a valuable resource. However, so far my attempts to access any content there have failed. I'm probably doing something wrong, but I wonder if it's working for anyone else. I do not intend to lose any sleep over this, but I hope we are not setting ourselves up to be blindsided. LMS (recent) running on Debian X86_64; 5 Squeezelite players (3 in PiCorePlayer), 3 players connected via Airplay Bridge 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?
I have been using a Squeezebox Touch for 8 years and have been hearing fears of it becoming obsolete for many years. I figured I would have had to replace it by now due to lack of support. But now I am enjoying it more than I ever have due to new plugins that continue to appear from developers keeping the LMS updated to current trends. I especially like the Qobuz and Radio Paradise plugins developed by Michael as they work flawlessly for me and enjoy them daily. Agree with the assessment bpa made about worrying later and enjoying the music now! Tuneman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?
don't know how complete this would be, or how easy to search, but there is the "wayback" machine at archive.org. https://web.archive.org/web/*/slimdevices *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Tidal missing search results + more
I wrote Tidal to ask that they provide updated APIs to Logitech, here's what they said (ie. nothing): ... We simply provide an API access and the content so that you are able to stream. We do not have control of how Logitech uses the API and content. Which doesn't provider an answer to your question, does it? Of course they can't tell what we're doing with what they provide. But they didn't say whether they could provide updated information. Unfortunately my recent communication with them has gone silent. Despite asking back for some clarification on the rate limiting question I haven't received any response any more in two weeks :-(. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?
This topic appears every few years - people agonise over "what if" and often nothing stops. People worried that players would die - then Pi's appeared and now also SqueezeAMP People worried about no new plugins/development as many "veteran" developers withdrew - new guys stepped up. It is likely some warning will be given so worry then and enjoy music now. Nicely put - thanks bpa! -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?
echable wrote: > I would happily pay a one-time lifetime subscription fee, like I've done > with e.g. Subsonic music server, or even a monthly fee, if that could be > a feasible solution to keep Tidal support etc. running when (I suppose > saying -if- is just fooling myself) Logitech withdraws. On top of > the normal Tidal fee, of course. Could that be a feasible solution for > what is essentially (if I understand correctly) then an open-source > project ? Chances are any solution you think of today will be out of date if dreaded day arrives. Organisation like Tidal will not deal with individuals or communities - so something commercial would be necessary. This topic appears every few years - people agonise over "what if" and often nothing stops. People worried that players would die - then Pi's appeared and now also SqueezeAMP People worried about no new plugins/development as many "veteran" developers withdrew - new guys stepped up. It is likely some warning will be given so worry then and enjoy music now. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
Can confirm this is a real issue - I ignored the warnings because I couldn't find any decent instructions on how to set up a VPN tunnel (and not knowledgeable about the difference between a commercial VPN provider, such as www.privateinternetaccess.com, which was the only type of VPN I knew about, and confused it with the type of VPN server you need for LMS, on your router for example, I am now using an Asus router with Merlin firmware VPN server, that you need to set up to access LMS remotely and securely). Setting up the VPN server takes five clicks on the router and then you download the OpenVPN Connect Android app on the remote device you wish to use - export an .ovpn configuration file from your router interface - import this into the Android device - and you're done. When I had port forwarding on I got hacked after about a month - woke up at 5am to the sounds of some sweet Cuban music :) - shut down everything - set up the VPN approach next day. echable's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69542 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
