Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
mcduman wrote: > when the cd was invented in the 80s it offered a resolution of 1411 > kbps. when you bought a computer at that time it came with a 320x240 > screen. > fast forward to today, and the most popular streaming service offers 320 > kbps. when you buy a high end computer it comes with a 4096x2160 > screen > > so when streaming music we are at 1/4 of where we were 40 years ago, but > when streaming movies or playing games visually our screen resolution > improved by a factor of 100x. > > Yes, because it's just maths & physics. We hear about 20kHz of BW and that contains much less information than the resolution of the eye can use. Such BW could be perfectly digitized with 44.1kHz sampling rate, so we already reached the max at that time, which was not the case for 2D imaging signal. This no magic, this is math. As well 16 bits is a dynamic range if enough to represent our hearing capabilities (assuming you don't want to cover damaging levels). Anybody is free to use 192kHz @ 24 bits and pay for crazy expensive equipment for that, but telling it's much better from a mathematical point of view is just incorrect. You can buy a 20k$ pen if you want, but it will not improve your writing compared to a 1k$ pen. Still you are free to enjoy the 20k$ pen for reasons that has nothing to do with the technology of the pen and the handwriting result, that your money and choices. LMS 8.1.x on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
mcduman wrote: > when the cd was invented in the 80s it offered a resolution of 1411 > kbps. when you bought a computer at that time it came with a 320x240 > screen. > fast forward to today, and the most popular streaming service offers 320 > kbps. when you buy a high end computer it comes with a 4096x2160 > screen > > so when streaming music we are at 1/4 of where we were 40 years ago, but > when streaming movies or playing games visually our screen resolution > improved by a factor of 100x. > > so, we are told that, you can not _hear__the former, but definitely > _see__the latter. by the way I never saw a test where people are shown > 10 second fragments of a random movie in 2 screens of HD and UHD > resolution and are asked whether they saw any differences. because it > would be almost impossible to the differentiate in a rushed test but > over time with different program material it would show that 2x more > resolution can make for a nice and noticeable improvement. > > when apple and others introduced the ipods way back, the biggest > bottleneck was the hdd capacity. so they compressed the music and fed us > the bullshit that it was not audible anyways. one may care or not, but > it is audible in the long run with the correct music and correct setup > just like computer screens and tvs. > > remember that if we did not have better screens nobody would develop > better games or better movies. likewise when we have hi-res audio, the > record companies will make better sounding music. > > compressed music is based on a lie, but with increased bandwidth and > stuff can have the highest resolution audio possible. and all of us in > these forums want that CD resolution is based on 100% factual science. Look up Nyquist. Anyone claiming otherwise is delusional, frankly. If effing Karajan was 100% happy, and he might have had decent hearing anyhow, anyone is free to listen to their music with whatever compulsive crutch they need to think they have a better experience. I know what I enjoy. :-) ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.1.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Graphic Visualiser
Did you start Squeezelite on the same machine ... with the command line switch (-v) to turn on the visualiser? Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
pablolie wrote: > So sue me but I am perfectly happy with the SQ of the current 320k > stream. Plenty of listening tests out there show how hard it is to tell > the difference between 320k/CD quality/HighRez. There are preciously few > albums that are recorded with the required resolution, and even when > you're very familiar with them you have to listen to artifacts to be > able to tell, and that's with an amount of artificial focus for detail > that completely kills the fun of listening to the music. And anyone that > claims they can hear additional detail and "airiness" when listening to > the 24/192 version of Bill Evans' 1962 "Waltz for Debby" was dropped on > their head from a third floor as a baby, really. :-) > > I know I go against the fashionable "CD quality sucks" these days, but > the whole thing about the combined obsession of HighRez with vinyl > addiction to boot is laughable, sorry if I offend anyone. > > I spend time curating my collection and playlists, and little time > obsessing over whether the castanets in Rodriguez' Concierto de Aranjuez > sound ever so slightly more present in 320k or in the recently > discovered 1968 mastertape hidden in a deceased Decca executive's secret > closet... :-D when the cd was invented in the 80s it offered a resolution of 1411 kbps. when you bought a computer at that time it came with a 320x240 screen. fast forward to today, and the most popular streaming service offers 320 kbps. when you buy a high end computer it comes with a 4096x2160 screen so when streaming music we are at 1/4 of where we were 40 years ago, but when streaming movies or playing games visually our screen resolution improved by a factor of 100x. so, we are told that, you can not _hear__the former, but definitely _see__the latter. by the way I never saw a test where people are shown 10 second fragments of a random movie in 2 screens of HD and UHD resolution and are asked whether they saw any differences. because it would be almost impossible to the differentiate in a rushed test but over time with different program material it would show that 2x more resolution can make for a nice and noticeable improvement. when apple and others introduced the ipods way back, the biggest bottleneck was the hdd capacity. so they compressed the music and fed us the bullshit that it was not audible anyways. one may care or not, but it is audible in the long run with the correct music and correct setup just like computer screens and tvs. remember that if we did not have better screens nobody would develop better games or better movies. likewise when we have hi-res audio, the record companies will make better sounding music. compressed music is based on a lie, but with increased bandwidth and stuff can have the highest resolution audio possible. and all of us in these forums want that mcduman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Graphic Visualiser
slartibartfast wrote: > Which skin did you choose for Jivelite? Joggler skin should definitely > work. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk I've tried the Joggler skin, each resolution of the Squeezebox standard skin and the material skin. I just get: 33598 No moving bars. I've done a parallel install of Squeezeplay from source too, and same issue. +---+ |Filename: spectrum_fail.PNG| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33598| +---+ atca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56880 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
Likewise I expect there will be a clamour to get Spotify lossless on board but as far as I am concerned they have missed the boat. Unless its massively cheaper (unlikely) and fully supported here (as you say down to Michael) why would I want the hassle of transferring my library from one to other? VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
+1 as well But I pity Michael for having to deal with the likely oncoming demands for what may be a Herculean task. As much credit as Michael gets here, it still is not enough imo. TomAmes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=27792 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Graphic Visualiser
atca wrote: > installed jivelite, exactly what I was looking for but the spectrum > analyser didn't work. > > I tried it at several different resolutions and size and just nothing > :( > > Trying to compile squeezeplay now and will try that instead.Which skin did > you choose for Jivelite? Joggler skin should definitely work. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Graphic Visualiser
installed jivelite, exactly what I was looking for but the spectrum analyser didn't work. I tried it at several different resolutions and size and just nothing :( Trying to compile squeezeplay now and will try that instead. atca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56880 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] American album reviews
d6jg wrote: > Thats exactly how music should be discovered. > AWB were, at least in their early days, about as funky as you could be > even though they were from Scotland and not Detroit. Have you heard > Icelandic funk band Jaguar?You probably couldn't call a band "Average White > Band" today. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
garym wrote: > No shouting on this forum. My favorite forum for getting along with > everyone! Regarding transparency of different codecs, In the distant > past, I did some ABX (double blind) tests of lossless vs various flavors > of mp3 (320kbps down to 64kbps I recall). I found most things > transparent down to 192kbps (for most normal music). Certain known > problem samples where one could focus on harpsichord, piano, etc. I > could detect. Otherwise my choices turned out to be random guesses. But > getting lower than about 160kbps I could more often tell the lossless vs > the lossy. But even at 128kbps, certain "rock/pop" music was not > reliably different from lossless for me. Below 128, I found it easier > and easier, not unexpectedly. > > I rip all my CDs to FLAC, because why not. I purchase hi-res files when > that's all that's available, but not because I think they are better. I > hate the fact that the Neil Young download store only seems to offer > 24/192. Just bought the new "Down in the Rust Bucket" album today, and > would have gladly purchased 16/44.1 if it had been available. I do think a lot of it is subjective but its appropriate that pablolie mentions Concierto as the Miles Davis version on Sketches of Spain is where I really heard the difference. SWMBO had bought me a pair of Bs a few Christmass ago and one of the first things I listened to with them was a 320kbps mp3 rip of Sketches of Spain. I heard stuff Id not heard before - a xylophone deep in the left channel. The following day I re-ripped the CD to FLAC and I swear I heard it more clearly. At that point I decided to re-rip all my CDs to FLAC and to redo any Vinyl rips Id already done as mp3 to FLAC instead. Ive done all the CDS but Ive still got 50 odd LPs to redo. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] American album reviews
https://open.spotify.com/album/5ZjSx1NLsp5RYVYiOyoUjA?si=yV8x9Z0XSeGwZXmA6Ky0Yg Yes they are. I had to buy the CD when I went to Iceland a few years ago. I have a problem with what are you listening to. Id post constantly if the forum software worked better with an iPhone image wise but its pants and Tapatalk isnt much better. Instead I post the same sort of thing in a FB group VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] American album reviews
d6jg wrote: > Thats exactly how music should be discovered. > AWB were, at least in their early days, about as funky as you could be > even though they were from Scotland and not Detroit. Have you heard > Icelandic funk band Jaguar? No, but I will check them out. The disconnect (in my feeble mind) between being a funk band from Scotland made the discovery even better. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] American album reviews
garym wrote: > Love the "Average White Band". Back in the early 1970s I saw Brian > Auger and the Oblivion Express in a relatively small club in Dallas, > Texas (fantastic by the way). I was talking with one of the guys in the > band at a break,* and he told me that I just had to check out this band, > "Average White Band" and how good they were. I did, and they were! > > *It was that kind of small club. For example, I saw Bruce Springsteen > and the E Street Band there in Spring 1974 (having no clue who they were > and only hearing a recommendation from a friend who had just seen them > in Austin, TX). Only about 50 people in the club, but Bruce and band > blew the roof off the place. I talked with Garry Tallent (bass) during > the break having a drink at the bar. He was super nice and talkative > about places they'd been playing on the tour (this was behind the 2nd > album). > (yes, believe it or not, Bruce was playing like a bar banda set, > then a break, then another set.) Thats exactly how music should be discovered. AWB were, at least in their early days, about as funky as you could be even though they were from Scotland and not Detroit. Have you heard Icelandic funk band Jaguar? VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] American album reviews
d6jg wrote: > Just played two British albums from different era. > Average White Band / AWB from 1974 > Ragn Bone Man / Human from 2017 > > As Michael has fixed Allmusic changes in MAI I read the reviews. > > Both reviews presumably by contemporary American reviewers use the term > sophomore in them. I rest my case mLord. Love the "Average White Band". Back in the early 1970s I saw Brian Auger and the Oblivion Express in a relatively small club in Dallas, Texas (fantastic by the way). I was talking with one of the guys in the band at a break,* and he told me that I just had to check out this band, "Average White Band" and how good they were. I did, and they were! *It was that kind of small club. For example, I saw Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band there in Spring 1974 (having no clue who they were and only hearing a recommendation from a friend who had just seen them in Austin, TX). Only about 50 people in the club, but Bruce and band blew the roof off the place. I talked with Garry Tallent (bass) during the break having a drink at the bar. He was super nice and talkative about places they'd been playing on the tour (this was behind the 2nd album). (yes, believe it or not, Bruce was playing like a bar banda set, then a break, then another set.) *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
d6jg wrote: > Generally I am also +1 > But, dont shout at me, I listen a lot using my iPhone, an Audioquest > Dragonfly and a pair of B P7s. I can tell a 320kbps mp3 from a FLAC > and very occasionally I can detect a HiRes FLAC. > However I am not going to replace all my ripped CDs with 24bit downloads > despite the music industry dangling the deluxe edition with new tracks > as the carrot. I do still buy Vinyl but Ive stopped buying CDs since I > signed up with Qobuz and Michael introduced Online Music Library > Integration. My wife thanks you Michael. No shouting on this forum. My favorite forum for getting along with everyone! Regarding transparency of different codecs, In the distant past, I did some ABX (double blind) tests of lossless vs various flavors of mp3 (320kbps down to 64kbps I recall). I found most things transparent down to 192kbps (for most normal music). Certain known problem samples where one could focus on harpsichord, piano, etc. I could detect. Otherwise my choices turned out to be random guesses. But getting lower than about 160kbps I could more often tell the lossless vs the lossy. But even at 128kbps, certain "rock/pop" music was not reliably different from lossless for me. Below 128, I found it easier and easier, not unexpectedly. I rip all my CDs to FLAC, because why not. I purchase hi-res files when that's all that's available, but not because I think they are better. I hate the fact that the Neil Young download store only seems to offer 24/192. Just bought the new "Down in the Rust Bucket" album today, and would have gladly purchased 16/44.1 if it had been available. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] American album reviews
Just played two British albums from different era. Average White Band / AWB from 1974 Ragn Bone Man / Human from 2017 As Michael has fixed Allmusic changes in MAI I read the reviews. Both reviews presumably by contemporary American reviewers use the term sophomore in them. I rest my case mLord. d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Graphic Visualiser
Any idea on the difference between: https://github.com/ralph-irving/tcz-jivelite (this seems to be for piCorePLayer) and https://github.com/ralph-irving/jivelite atca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56880 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
> kidstypike;1011916 Generally I am also +1 But, dont shout at me, I listen a lot using my iPhone, an Audioquest Dragonfly and a pair of B P7s. I can tell a 320kbps mp3 from a FLAC and very occasionally I can detect a HiRes FLAC. However I am not going to replace all my ripped CDs with 24bit downloads despite the music industry dangling the deluxe edition with new tracks as the carrot. I do still buy Vinyl but Ive stopped buying CDs since I signed up with Qobuz and Michael introduced Online Music Library Integration. My wife thanks you Michael. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Graphic Visualiser
Paul Webster wrote: > Sync the Pi and the Squeezebox. Great idea. atca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56880 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
garym wrote: > I couldnt agree more. *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B/pCP 7.0.1/pi screen/Hifiberry DAC HAT Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Garage* - Squeezebox Boom + Fostex sub *Dining Room* - Pi3B/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
pablolie wrote: > So sue me but I am perfectly happy with the SQ of the current 320k > stream. Plenty of listening tests out there show how hard it is to tell > the difference between 320k/CD quality/HighRez. There are preciously few > albums that are recorded with the required resolution, and even when > you're very familiar with them you have to listen to artifacts to be > able to tell, and that's with an amount of artificial focus for detail > that completely kills the fun of listening to the music. And anyone that > claims they can hear additional detail and "airiness" when listening to > the 24/192 version of Bill Evans' 1962 "Waltz for Debby" was dropped on > their head from a third floor as a baby, really. :-) > > I know I go against the fashionable "CD quality sucks" these days, but > the whole thing about the combined obsession of HighRez with vinyl > addiction to boot is laughable, sorry if I offend anyone. > > I spend time curating my collection and playlists, and little time > obsessing over whether the castanets in Roderiguez' Concierto de > Aranjuez sound ever so slightly more present in 320k or in the recently > discovered 1968 mastertape hidden in a deceased Decca executive's secret > closet... :-D I couldnt agree more. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Balance
philippe_44 wrote: > What about the case of squeezelite on a Pi with a hat AMP hat or > squeezelite-esp32. Even one of my old duet is connected to a pair of > active speakers where I cannot control individual balance. > > At the same time, my question came from the fact that inside slimproto, > we have gainL and gainR, but it is never used, so why having both then? > (hence the modification to add balance was extremely simple) I have updated LMS and squeezelite to the latest available versions via Github. and I am now experimenting with the new balance control, found in Settings -> Player Settings -> Audio. I note that the negative number appears to move the center towards the left channel and a positive number moves the center towards the right channel. Question: how much does a -1 or +1 value represent? 1% or 0.5 dB? Suggestion: an info box associated with this setting would be helpful, explaining what it is doing and what a negative or positive number represents. There appears to be a range limit on the value that can be entered, and I suggest adding that to the "info" too. I think this is a fantastic feature, and I should have asked about it years ago. I was diagnosed with Ménière's disease some 20 years ago, and the effect I experience is that my right ear has a vastly reduced dynamic range. I do not have a loss of hearing, but the reduced dynamic range, (>20 dB) means that when the range is exceeded on the right side, my hearing goes into heavy distortion long before the left side begins to distort. When using speakers, the effect doesn't seem so pronounced, but with headphones, the effect occurs frequently. Being able to set the balance enables me to steer the "center" away from the right ear, results in a dramatic improvement in my enjoyment of my headphones. Being able to do this via a simple LMS player setting will make this easy and straight-forward. Thank you Philippe. Question: does the the SB Touch support the gainL and gainR slimproto commands? If so, could the balance setting be extended to support the SBT in addition to squeezelite? I imagine the same question could be asked about the Transporter too, but I don't have one of those:) *Living Room:* SB Touch + DIY PSU > CI Audio VDA.2 DAC + VAC.1 PSU > VRX.1 cables > Emotiva XSP-1 Gen 2 preamp + XPA-DR2 amp > Blue Jeans cables > B 804 speakers *Laptop:* System76 Galago + Ubuntu 16.04 + Squeezelite + Vivaldi/Material Skin > Emotiva Little Ego DAC > Grado PS500 headphones *Bedroom:* RPi Zero W + Squeezelite > miniBOSS DAC HAT > Bose SoundLink Revolve *Phone:* Pixel 3a + SB Player + Material APK > Senn IE80 earbuds *Server:* Puget Systems Serenity + Ubuntu 18.04 + LMS 8.2 Ron F.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
So sue me but I am perfectly happy with the SQ of the current 320k stream. Plenty of listening tests out there show how hard it is to tell the difference between 320k/CD quality/HighRez. There are preciously few albums that are recorded with the required resolution, and even when you're very familiar with them you have to listen to artifacts to be able to tell, and that's with an amount of artificial focus for detail that completely kills the fun of listening to the music. And anyone that claims they can hear additional detail and "airiness" when listening to the 24/192 version of Bill Evans' 1962 "Waltz for Debby" was dropped on their head from a third floor as a baby, really. :-) I know I go against the fashionable "CD quality sucks" these days, but the whole thing about the combined obsession of HighRez with vinyl addiction to boot is laughable, sorry if I offend anyone. I spend time curating my collection and playlists, and little time obsessing over whether the castanets in Roderiguez' Concierto de Aranjuez sound ever so slightly more present in 320k or in the recently discovered 1968 mastertape hidden in a deceased Decca executive's secret closet... :-D ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.1.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Graphic Visualiser
atca wrote: > Are there any plugins which enable graphic visualiser of the music - > like the 80's style graphic eq ? > > But I'd like to do this on the TV for a squeezebox / squeezelite player, > so I am think something which is over the web interface. Open to any > ideas. As mentioned, you'll need squeezelite (sync'd to your real player) running on the device connected to your TV. This squeezelite can run without audio (i.e. output to null device). Then, you'll have to automatically start the visualizer (e.g. jivelite) on this device on boot. The only stand-alone visualizer I know of is 'this one' (https://www.nexus0.net/pub/sw/slvisualizer/), but it'll need some technical skills (and fiddling) to get running. while there are web-based visualizers (eg. 'this one' (https://soundshader.github.io/gallery/)), feeding the audio to them will be tricky. You could experiment with LMS' mp3 stream, but I expect that synchronization will be a problem. 'Various SW' (https://www.nexus0.net/pub/sw/): Web Interface | TUI | Playlist Editor / Generator | Music Classification | Similar Music | Announce | EventTrigger | Chiptunes | LMSlib2go | ... 'Various HowTos' (https://www.nexus0.net/pub/documents/LMS/): build a self-contained LMS | Bluetooth/ALSA | Control LMS with any device | ... Roland0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56808 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] American album reviews
RobbH wrote: > First, my assumption is that the question was intended to include > Canadians. Second, I don't think any of us could claim to speak for the > majority, and I certainly did not try! > > --another grumpy old guy (sorry, "git" does not come naturally to me) > who speaks something quite different from the Queen's English and, > nonetheless, dislikes "sophomore effort," regarding it as sophomoric, > knowing all the while that he is NOT in the majority. Canadians are indeed North American in my book but you are definitely not American and you have produced some notable musicians that are different to those from a bit further south. Here in UK we have more and more American phrases and expressions creeping into our day to day language. Being of an age where my musical taste is beyond reproach also means I cannot abide some of these expressions. For example in the past when we could visit coffee shops and the like I and my generation would say Can I have a whereas persons younger than us say Can I get a ... which I understand is the norm in North America. We watch films not movies and eat crisps not chips! VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Graphic Visualiser
Sync the Pi and the Squeezebox. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Graphic Visualiser
Paul Webster wrote: > If you run Jivelite on the same device as Squeezelite then you should be > able to get them. > However, it requires a shared memory interface ... so will not work if > you use your Jivelite to control a player that is remote to it. thanks at the minute this is a remote setup, pi on TV, and squeezebox touch on AMP. I suspect its not possible due to latency. I may have to have the Pi drive both the amp and tv, but want to keep the squeezebox in play. atca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56880 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Graphic Visualiser
If you run Jivelite on the same device as Squeezelite then you should be able to get them. However, it requires a shared memory interface ... so will not work if you use your Jivelite to control a player that is remote to it. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Graphic Visualiser
Are there any plugins which enable graphic visualiser of the music - like the 80's style graphic eq ? But I'd like to do this on the TV for a squeezebox / squeezelite player, so I am think something which is over the web interface. Open to any ideas. atca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56880 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple Airports to give
rkrug wrote: > Hi > > Did you get my DM? > > Yes, and responded. Not sure this is what you are looking for though, they are all 'generation 1", which is the model that looks like a MacBook power supply (with integrated plug). For music that works fine though, but I have no experience with Airplay 2. jeroen2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114024 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Call for testers! Daphile
Recently started using Daphile and really enjoying it, easy install and good performance. Came form Vortexbox (using an 10 years old Vortexbox appliance, Intel Athom) but it got unstable and I'm a noob in Linux. I tried to find out if it's possible to use MusicIP/Spicefly in combination with Daphile. Couldn't find anything about it. Anybody who has it working with Daphile? mvn2009's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33172 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99132 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
