Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread d6jg

I too have been using Material but I can’t see that being the cause BUT
when my player went to zero I didn’t notice the fact in Material for
some while. I clicked pause, I clicked play, I powered my amp off and on
and did a fair bit more head scratching before I noticed 0% in
Material.
As a bi product of this do you guys think it would be a good upgrade of
material to show 0% with a red background or something if the player is
playing?



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*Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
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*Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s +
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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread the_arm


chill wrote: 
> Wracking my brain for other 'new' things that might be responsible..

With the exception of increased reliance on Material Skin and the
Android-app version of it (phones, Kindle Fire) as well as keeping my
LMS up to date nothing has changed in my setup in ages that I can think
of!



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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread d6jg

philippe_44 wrote: 
> UPnP players does not have the capability to change volume unless
> players have volume sync in which case it's normal LMS behavior when
> volume changes

I only mentioned it as I was doing A/B tests the other day with a synced
Pi, DAC32 and Upnp player all through a Denon Ceol. Pi on Analogue 1,
DAC32 on Analogue 2 and upnp on Net. Twice I experienced a zero volume
scenario after switching to one of the Analogue inputs but I didn’t
register the precise scenario or pay too much attention to it. I
wondered if Chill also had a upnp player that’s all.

My sync was via a Group Player.



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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread philippe_44


d6jg wrote: 
> I asked about other players as I have seen it when using a upnp player
> and switching back to a Pi

UPnP players does not have the capability to change volume unless
players have volume sync in which case it's normal LMS behavior when
volume changes



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1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000,
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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread chill


the_arm wrote: 
> I'm happy to do the same - any advice on what I should enable to capture
> the info?

I've also enabled Debug logging for the three 'control.' logs, and the
three 'player.streaming' logs.



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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread chill


d6jg wrote: 
> I asked about other players as I have seen it when using a upnp player
> and switching back to a Pi

Ah, ok - I don't have any upnp players.  My two pCPs both have the
latest Squeezelite which I believe was released to fix an issue with
inverted audio and the new balance control.  I'm using neither of those
options, and I believe my volume problem pre-dates that new version of
Squeezelite.  For completeness, neither of the Pis is actually audible,
since I've temporarily switched inputs on my main amp to use the DAC32,
and the other one plays through the TV only if I'm on the right channel.
But both instances of Squeezelite are 'on' and synced.

Wracking my brain for other 'new' things that might be responsible.  I'm
loathe to fling any more wild accusations around, as I may have done
with the DAC32 (given that @the_arm doesn't have one)!  I've had an Echo
dot running philchillbill's Alexa skills for a while now, but the
problem started quite a long time after I first started using that.  And
I'm pretty sure I haven't been inadvertently operating the volume
buttons on my iPhone that has iPeng running in the background (and I've
been using iPeng for so long that this new problem is not likely to have
anything to do with it).



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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread the_arm


d6jg wrote: 
> I asked about other players as I have seen it when using a upnp player
> and switching back to a Pi

Got it. I don't have any non-branded-oldschool-logitech players on my
network. (Yet!). 1 Boom, 3 Radios, 1 Squeezebox3, 1 Receiver and 1
Touch.



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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread d6jg


I asked about other players as I have seen it when using a upnp player
and switching back to a Pi



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[B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas  -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s

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*Dining Room* SB Boom 
*Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
*Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
*Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s +
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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread the_arm


chill wrote: 
> Actually that's not true - I have noticed it once or twice during
> playback.  I wasn't anywhere near any of the controls, and the volume
> just reduced without me doing anything.  I assumed the radio station had
> accidentally turned the playback volume down.

Good point, and I honestly don't use the group enough to say one way or
another. The group is not in use WAY more than it is in use...



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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread chill


the_arm wrote: 
> I'm happy to do the same - any advice on what I should enable to capture
> the info?

Not really!  There are a lot of logging options, and I have no idea
which ones would show a volume change.  I've set player.sync to Debug. 
I'll keep looking.



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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread the_arm


I'm happy to do the same - any advice on what I should enable to capture
the info?



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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread chill


chill wrote: 
> That's exactly what I'm experiencing too.
> 

Actually that's not true - I have noticed it once or twice during
playback.  I wasn't anywhere near any of the controls, and the volume
just reduced without me doing anything.  I assumed the radio station had
accidentally turned the playback volume down.



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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread chill


the_arm wrote: 
> It's never happened to me during playback but it just seems that
> randomly I'll come back to the group, hit play, and two players "work"
> and the touch is at zero volume.
> 

That's exactly what I'm experiencing too.

I do also have three Jogglers around the house running Jivelite.  The
screensaver I'm running causes occasional crashes on a couple of them,
but that was happening for a long time before the volume changes started
happening.

I'll enable some server logging to see if there are any clues the next
time it happens.



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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread the_arm


Wow, hey, I've been noticing the same thing! I have a sync group
consisting of one SB Touch, one SB Radio, and one SB Duet-Receiver. 
It's always the SB Touch that is spontaneously at 0 volume. It's never
happened to me during playback but it just seems that randomly I'll come
back to the group, hit play, and two players "work" and the touch is at
zero volume.

I try to keep everything up to date and it's a relatively recent
phenomenon. I do use Material skin, and I have an android tablet
(actually a kindle fire) that is more or less permanently running the
android material app (sideloaded) with the SB Touch selected as what's
being displayed/controlled in the group. I had recently power cycled the
Touch hoping that would fix it (it didn't) and was next going to just
power off the tablet for a while to see if that had anything to do with
it? It doesn't seem likely though since I've been running that app for
quite some time and it pre-dates this phenomenon.

I'm running LMS on a mac on Mojave.

Thanks!



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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread chill


Two Booms and two pCPs.



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Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread d6jg


What else is in the sync group?



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*Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s 
*Dining Room* SB Boom 
*Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
*Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
*Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s +
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Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?

2021-03-24 Thread d6jg

In my Living Room HiFi I have a Pi4 with a Khadas Tone Board. The latter
is a highly respected USB DAC capable of 32bit etc far beyond anything
you can currently throw at it. The Pi runs piCorePlayer and they are in
expensive WAF cases. I consider this player to be about as good as you
can get for a Pi + USB DAC arrangement.

I put it against a newly acquired DAC32. Yes the Khadas Tone Board is
better but it’s very very close.

The Pi plus Tone Board and cases came to about £230. The DAC32 is £65.



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*Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s 
*Dining Room* SB Boom 
*Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
*Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
*Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s +
Kef ceiling speakers
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[slim] Spontaneous volume reduction

2021-03-24 Thread chill


For a week or two now I've been experiencing my synced players
spontaneously going quiet without me apparently doing anything.  I can't
put my finger on what's causing it.  I have a niggling feeling it's
something to do with the DAC32, because it's part of the sync group
that's experiencing the volume reductions, and whenever it happens I see
that the DAC32's volume has reduced to zero, while other players that
may have been louder to start with still have a non-zero volume.  It
could also be related to the fact that I started listening to Greatest
Hits radio more frequently.  Or it could have been an LMS update
(currently on Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 - 1614413430).

I've checked the obvious things that I can think of - I'm not using any
volume adjustment, and the synced players don't have synced volume.

So I'll obviously have to do some trouble-shooting, but I wondered
whether anyone else was experiencing similar.



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Re: [slim] Spotty and file format naming for music stored on Synology nas

2021-03-24 Thread Michael Herger
I'd recommend you start or join an existing thread for each of your 
problems. Throwing them all in one pot will sooner or later lead to only 
one being handled. The pCP/Synology issue in particular has been 
discussed many times before.


As for Spotty: what does your server.log say? Any trace about it?
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Re: [slim] SB+ How can i get it repaired?

2021-03-24 Thread edwin2006


ModelCitizen wrote: 
> Ah. It is an audiophile adaption of the SB3. Mainly it's an upgrade of
> the PSU along Naim lines. I.e is it is very heavy!
> The whole thing comes packaged in two boxes with smoked glass front and
> wooden ends. Very nice it looks too.
> 
> It also sounds very good. I had a both a Transporter and an SB+. I
> didn't get along with the Transporter, finding the sound thin and
> unattractive. The SB+ on the other hand has a much fatter sound that
> suited me better.
> 
> https://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/at-tunes_e.html
> 
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/archive/index.php/t-33917.htmlAh, never knew 
> about this version.



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(Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x
piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch
(Study 2), few spare unit's
*Server:* LMS on Pi3 7.9.1. on PcP 3.21
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Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?

2021-03-24 Thread Apesbrain


Paul Webster wrote: 
> The current model does not have a display - but you can use any other
> LMS display to control it.
Or any browser or iOS/Android smartphone or tablet app.  If you need a
server, consider the matching CORE32:
https://polyvection.com/en/product/core32/

These products are the obvious choice for anyone newly adopting the
Squeezebox system until PolyVection releases a "DIGI32" S/PDIF renderer.



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Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?

2021-03-24 Thread Paul Webster


See the DAC32 announcement thread - and perhaps this comparison to a
Transporter
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?113633-DAC32-low-cost-high-performance-music-streamer&p=1015695&viewfull=1#post1015695

The current model does not have a display - but you can use any other
LMS display to control it.



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Re: [slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?

2021-03-24 Thread garym


Why not an rPi4B, feeding (via USB) any good quality DAC of your choice?



*Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio
(all ethernet)
*Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom,
Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI)
*Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000
*The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) 
*Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin,
or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64)
*Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes,
TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify

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[slim] (Vaguely) Audiophile alternative to Transporter and SB+?

2021-03-24 Thread ModelCitizen


Hello.


If anyone can help me I'd be grateful.

I'm recreating a hifi I sold 15 years ago when I moved into a building
site.

I have a problem with the front end though. I used to use a @-tunes
modified SB3 called an SB+ which was good. I also had a Transporter but
did not get along with it.

So I'm looking for suggestions for a high quality front end. I have
wondered if there's a company that makes top-end audio adaptions of the
raspberry pi but am basically open to any suggestions.

For anyone who might be interested this is the system I'm re-building.

Speakers: Shahinian Arcs
Amp: Naim NAP180
PSU: HiCap
Pre-amp: NAC102

You might think my obvious choice of front end was the Naim NDS or NDX
but I prefer the Squeezebox ecosystem and these two items are silly
money (and you still need to buy  power supply!).

Thanks for any suggestions.



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Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen

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Re: [slim] Spotty and file format naming for music stored on Synology nas

2021-03-24 Thread Paul Webster


For accessing the Synology NAS - see
https://docs.picoreplayer.org/how-to/add_network_share/

If it does not work after going through those steps then include some
screenshots to show what you have.

For the others ...
It could be a temporary networking issue ... or it could be that the
plugin developer made a mistake in the configuration the something (but
then everyone would see the same problem) ... or you are using a custom
repo rather than the official unofficial list from LMS and it has an
issue.
So - how are things configured in your Settings/Plugins ?



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[slim] Spotty and file format naming for music stored on Synology nas

2021-03-24 Thread crrc


The usual apologies for asking what I am sure to others appear to be
basic questions. 

I have been a very grateful user of LMS for a number of years but with
very much a "fit and forget attitude" unless things start to go wrong. 

Previously I had LMS running on my nas and my music files are also
stored there, so while I can't remember precisely how I directed the
server to the music is seemed to work. Very recently LMS on the Synology
has stopped working so I have had to rethink. I have got picoreplayer on
one of my Pi's (version 4) so I added LMS to that pi which previously
only ran the squeezeplayer. So far so good but I have been trying to
access my music still stored on the Synology and have failed miserably.
I have tried to complete the mount settings on the pCp page - giving a
name to the folder (I have tried randomly Diskstation, Music etc
assuming that it did not really matter so long as I recognised it. I
have put the ip address of the Synology in and using nfs I have put the
folder address as /volume1/music - the music is stored in sub-folders
under that. When I try to mount I get a disk mount error and it suggests
I try to reboot. I have done that several times without any success.
Some help would be very much appreciated.

A second problem has arisen. I have over the years accessed BBC Radio 3
through the iPlayer and also Spotify through Spotty add-ons. I realised
that the iPlayer has now been replaced by BBC Sounds and I successfully
added that plug in. However that has joined Spotify as a problem. When I
tried to add Spotify add on when pressing apply a message with a new
tick box appeared saying that there was a newer version. However if I
ignore that message and restart the plug in has not worked. The same
applies if I try to restart later and click the newer version. It
doesn't add on. 

Now I am getting the same message for BBC sounds - a newer version is
available but the result is  that neither now seems to work.

Sorry I all the above is a bit garbled but the net effect is that I
cannot get my music folders, cannot load Radio 3 from BBC sounds and
cannot get Spotify. All this from a system that worked pretty well for
years in not much more than 24 hours. Very frustrating.



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Re: [slim] SB+ How can i get it repaired?

2021-03-24 Thread ModelCitizen


edwin2006 wrote: 
> What is a SB+?

Ah. It is an audiophile adaption of the SB3. Mainly it's an upgrade of
the PSU along Naim lines. I.e is it is very heavy!
The whole thing comes packaged in two boxes with smoked glass front and
wooden ends. Very nice it looks too.

It also sounds very good. I had a both a Transporter and an SB+. I
didn't get along with the Transporter, finding the sound thin and
unattractive. The SB+ on the other hand has a much fatter sound that
suited me better.

https://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/at-tunes_e.html

https://forums.slimdevices.com/archive/index.php/t-33917.html



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Re: [slim] SB+ How can i get it repaired?

2021-03-24 Thread ModelCitizen


Paul Webster wrote: 
> A PM to Patrick Dixon via
> https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/careful-with-that-moderation-button.214124/#post-3357441
> might work (although his last post there was from 2018)

Thanks Paul. I have now tracked him down on the Art of Sound Forum where
he is still active. When I can gain messaging facilities on that board
I'll contact him and see if I can get the circuit diagram for the PSU.



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Re: [slim] SB+ How can i get it repaired?

2021-03-24 Thread Paul Webster


A PM to Patrick Dixon via
https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/careful-with-that-moderation-button.214124/#post-3357441
might work (although his last post there was from 2018)



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