Re: [slim] New Logitech forum is unreadable
garym;616463 Wrote: > Hmmm, I wonder if this is some local setting for you. I see black text > on a white background. For example, see the attached screenshot. Looks OK now, not sure if someone there changed it or what? Rob.. -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86159 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Logitech forum is unreadable
erland;616354 Wrote: > If you like it to change, make a single post in their forum and say > exactly what you said here. No one from Logitech who can do something > about the problem will spot your complaints here. Hmmm, looks like someone did (or just a nice coincidence). Actually, yesterday it was so bad I would not have been able to post anything there myself without someone else helping who has sharper eyes than me. -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86159 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] New Logitech forum is unreadable
I just tried to navigate to the new Logitech forum site: http://forums.logitech.com/ Please! Who chose light blue text on white background? Even boosting the magnification I can't read the text well enough against the background without squinting. Sorry, I won't be using that site for any support questions until/unless the readability is improved. Just my 2 cents! Rob.. Long time SB owner -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86159 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Albums duplicated from playlists: 7.5.3
aubuti;615857 Wrote: > Well, it's not a feature. Are the pathnames _exactly_ the same for the > two listings? Sometimes if the library is on a network-attached drive > SBS will show one under the UNC path and one under the mapped drive > path. Or sometimes these issues expose shortcuts/symlinks that the user > forgot about. Thanks for the suggestion. Apparently, in my last upgrade the path names weren't added correctly. Changed that and rescanned and looks like it's OK now. -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Albums duplicated from playlists: 7.5.3
I'm running the latest version (7.5.3 on Netgear NV MAS) and notice that some album names are listed twice, where the second listing is for tracks that are also referenced on a playlist. Music Library>Artist=Elvin Bishop>Album=Big Fun (shows up twice) The first listing shows the regular complete album with all tracks, the second listing shows just the tracks from the playlist. I don't recall seeing this behavior before in previous versions. Is this an intentional new 'feature' or an unintended 'bug'? -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is SqueezeCenter compatible w/ SB1?
Mitch Harding;301422 Wrote: > I am using 7.0.1, and previously used 7.0, with my SB1. In both cases, > I > experienced no problems. If anything, it worked better. > Thanks! In what ways did you notice it working better? -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47575 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Is SqueezeCenter compatible w/ SB1?
Was SC 7 tested and found to be compatible w/ the older hardware? In particular, the SB1? I somewhat dread doing an upgrade based on previous problems with newer versions *not* being compatible and having to revert. Rob... -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47575 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Artist not found in Browse but in Search
SS v6.5.4 on WinXP Files: >99% FLAC I don't know which version of SS this started but I can't figure out why an artist can be found with albums using the Search function but is not in the Browse Artist list. For example, Emerson, Lake & Palmer (11 albums, two of which are VA) is missing from Browse while Emerson, Lake & Powell (1 album) is in Browse. I have tried various settings of the Compilation options to no effect. Any ideas? Rob..... -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38353 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help - Artists disappearing from Artist list but their albums are still present!?
snarlydwarf;212998 Wrote: > If artistsort is unset, it defaults to artist. > > So if you have: > Clapton: ARTIST=Eric Clapton ARTISTSORT=Claption, Eric > and > Mangione: ARTIST=Chuck Mangione > > Then, yes, you will see that behavior. > > Solution is to decide if you want to use artistsort or not... which > would mean updating tags. I believe some of the tag programs will > guess on artistsort, but, that would do interesting things with "Floyd, > Pink" and similar. All of my tags have ARTIST and ARTISTSORT set correctly (I use MusicBrainz tagger). Both artists in the above example have the ARTIST and ARTISTSORT tags set properly. What else might cause that behavior? Rob.. -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36346 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help - Artists disappearing from Artist list but their albums are still present!?
Richard_2482;210603 Wrote: > I have noticed some strange things happening. I had a similar problem, so after reading this thread I upgraded to the latest nightly and that fixed the missing artist problem but now I have a new, similar problem. Browse>Artist now shows all my artists but some of them sort by ARTISTSORT and others sort by ARTIST (all of my files are FLAC on external INFRANT drive under WinXP). For example, Eric Clapton sorts with the Cs next to Chuck Mangione. First, why this inconsistent sorting behavior and second, how do I fix it? Regards, Rob... -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36346 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help save Internet radio
Pat Farrell;186715 Wrote: > nicketynick wrote:[color=blue] > Mine was better, of course :-( > Doesn't matter, your name wasn't Steve Jobs *or* Bill Gates. Sorry, in advance, for the cynicism. -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33447 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Official SlimServer v6.5.1 Release
rkeeney;183475 Wrote: > The files are on a NW drive. I'll try again using your suggestions. > Thanks! Still no go. I re-insatlled again amd rescanned the DB, no problem. >From your suggestion I can't tell which cache file(s) to delete. There's a whole directory w/ sub-directory structure and I can't tell which I'm supposed to delete and which I'm not. The rapidly jumping tracks and no playback is evident again. Too much hassle, I'll just revert to 6.5.0 and tray again after the next upgrade. Regards, Rob -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31826 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Official SlimServer v6.5.1 Release
ModelCitizen;183356 Wrote: > Strange as 6.5.1 is not that different from 6.5. Anyhow, it looks like > SlimServer 6.5.1 can't find your files. If your music is on a network > drive check that the account SlimServer is running on after installing > 6.5.1 still has access to the network drives (it may be that the > installation of 6.5.1 has changed the account Slimserver runs under to > a local account... although this shouldn't happen anymore I believe). > Also, you could try browsing your Music Folder via Slimserver to see if > you can access/play tunes from it. If you can maybe you should stop > Slimserver, delete your cache folder and then start it again so it > completely re-indexes your music from scratch. > MC The files are on a NW drive. I'll try again using your suggestions. Thanks! -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31826 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Official SlimServer v6.5.1 Release
andyg;171581 Wrote: > I'm pleased to announce the availability of SlimServer 6.5.1. > I've tried to upgrade 6.5 to 6.5.1, both times on my SB1 the tracks would jump quickly from one to the next w/o playing. I don't see this behavior on the Softsqueeze client running on the same machine as SS. Reverting back to 6.5 fixed the problem both times. Sorry if this is mentioned elsewhere but I couldn't locate anything about it here or in bugzilla. Other info: SS running on WinXP FLAC libray (mostly) SB on wireless Regards, Rob.. -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31826 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Vista and DRM - Important read
ddewey;175828 Wrote: > I know it's long and fairly techie, but this is an important read, > especially for this community.] > > Interesting article. I guess it's no accident I've been buying only > used vinyl lately or working a little harder to find music I can buy in > my preferred format (non-DRM FLAC). > > Unfortunately, I think we are in too big a minority to make any > difference. I see iPods everywhere and most of the users seem > completely unaware that in a few years (or less) they will have > difficulty playing their purchased music on anything. When I mention > that they are only *renting* their music they don't quite understand > the concept. Oh well...as long as there are used record stores I'll be > happy. -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32261 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: My dream: SB in my car
bklaas Wrote: > google these words: > rockford fosgate omnifi Also check out the Kenwood PhatBox : http://www.phatnoise.com/products/digitalmediaplayers/index.php One appealling aspect is the support for FLAC and OGG files. Looks a little pricey but I would probably buy one if I had a new car to put it in. Rob.. -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22108 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SS on Infrant REadyNAS NV
Just got and configured a new ReadyNAS NV (now I can sleep a little easier knowing my large music DB is backed up). Before I make the decision to install SS on it I have a few questions. -Can I have 2 SlimServers running at the same time? -If so, how do I select which one to use via the SB interface? My reason for doing this is that most of my music is currently in OGG format and I will need re-rip to FLAC. I would like to keep the PC version running until such time as I can migrate all the music over. Any ideas or experiences would be appreciated. Rob... -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21573 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] What strategy for FLAC files w/ cuesheets?
I've read most of the threads related to problems with SS and embedded and/or external cuesheets until my head's about to explode. Some date back to almost 2 years ago so I can't easily figure out what the curent state of affairs is. Here are my problems: For some of my CDs (especially some classical CDs) I much prefer to have a single FLAC file vs individual track files. However, SS seems to not know how to deal with them or I haven't set them up correctly. -FLACFrontend will embed a cuesheet but it's nothing more than seekpoints, no additional information about artist, genre or title. -MP3Tag will insert a 'CUESHEET' comment and SS may parse it correctly and sometimes may not. -If I use an external cuesheet, SS will scan the tracks into the database but then I get a 'Cannot open file for:' error from SS. -I've seen posts suggesting seperate comment lines for each track but I don't see how to insert except possibly a FLAC CLI (I do, actually, have a day job). Here are my questions: -Should I use the 6.2.2 version of SS (currently using 6.2.1 on WinXP) and will that fix my problems? -What foolproof cuesheet method can I use that SS can scan to the DB correctly as well as playback w/o complaint? Ripping software I usually use includes EAC along w/ flacattack and FlacFrontend. Any suggestions would be appreciated before I attempt to re-rip my classical music collection. Regards, Rob.. -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21501 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How can I speed up the web interface?
mherger Wrote: > > > Disable the library statistics (Server Settings/Performance). This > might speed it up. > Michael > Is this an option in the 6.2.1 server version? If so, I don't see it. Rob. -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21437 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: NaxosRadio
kjg Wrote: > Hmm They advertise FM quality sound at 20 kbps and near CD quality > at 64 kbps. What format is their audio? I don't know and don't know how to find out. I only play it on my PC or my laptop when traveling (nice background music in a hotel room or my office at work, but certainly not Hi-Fi). The genre choices for classical (some jazz and others) are quite extensive and gives me a good look into Naxos' extensive (and inexpensive) catalog. Rob.... -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20583 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: NaxosRadio
dean Wrote: > Please do, we'd love to have that service work with Squeezebox! All this recent chatter about Pandora and LastFM really makes me wonder if there's got to be a way to make this work. Even if only through SN. I've tried to capture the URL using right-click, etc. but to no avail. Since this is pay-for-service like Pandora maybe the only way is via company to company negotiations? Anyway, I wish I were more techno-savvy to figure it out. Rob.... -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20583 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: NEW! ReadyNAS NV
There's a couple of sites that indicated this in stock. I ordered a custom config unit (w/ 3x300GB HDD) today from: www.spacecentersystems.com The Infrant web site lists dealers, not all show inventory. Rob -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20678 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] NaxosRadio
I am a paid subscriber of the NaxosRadio classical music service (www.NaxosRadio.com) and was wondering if anyone else has attempted to configure slimserver to 'see' and use this service. If not, I'll bang on it and see if I can get it to work. I'll report results. Rob.. -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20583 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: When should I switch from SQLLite to MySQL?
macallf Wrote: > I had the same problem using MySql 5. Removed 5 and installed 4.1, > recreated the slimserver database and assigned all permissions to user > slimserver. Thanks, Mark. I had noticed warnings from others about using v5 so I installed v4.1 and no luck. I completely uninstalled everything and reinstalled SS and went back to the default DB. Maybe I'll give it one more try. If still unsuccessful I will await the SS version that fully supports MySQL, maybe v6.5? Anyway, thanks to all who offered suggestions. This forum is a great resource! Regards, Rob.... -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20281 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: When should I switch from SQLLite to MySQL?
Patrick Dixon Wrote: > If you download DBD-mysql-2.9008.zip you'll see it contains a file > called DBD-mysql-2.9008.tar.gz. Unzip that file and you will see the > all files with paths under /blib/arch, blib/html and blib/lib. > I assume that's what you're looking for. OK, that was helpful. I copied the aforementioned files into the specified directories (choosing to overwrite some directories already there). Now, slimserver starts and creates the tables but just stalls. According to MySQL Administrator, there are now 145 rows in the newly created tracks table, 1 row in the metainformation table and nothing else. I started over again and it gets to that point again and stalls. No indication in the cmd window what's happening. The tray icon will say it is running but it will not open in the browser. This is getting very frustrating. I suspect I'm missing something obvious but I don't know what. Regards, Rob... -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20281 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: When should I switch from SQLLite to MySQL?
Patrick Dixon Wrote: > I'm not actually using XP but I have installed Perl modules on XP before > using PPM > > IIRC, you do something like this: > > In a command window: > cd C:\Perl\bin (or wherever your Perl is) > ppm > install DBD-mysql > exit Thanks, but I've already done that. The module's installed in a sub-directory of my Perl installation. Slimserver doesn't 'see' it for some reason. The wiki on the SD site says the following: > For Windows platform without Perl installed: Get the latest DBD-mysql > from ActiveState... > http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/zips/8xx-builds-only/Windows/ > The files in blib/arch should be copied to > server/CPAN/arch/5.8/MSWin32-x86-multi-thread and those in blib/lib > should be copied to server/CPAN. This will make them available to > SlimServer. This doesn't make any sense. You get a zip file but nothing that maps to these instructions. Anyway, sorry to be a pest! Regards, Rob -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20281 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: When should I switch from SQLLite to MySQL?
treble Wrote: > Try starting slim.exe from the 'command line' (open a start->run->cmd > window, cd to the slimserver directory, and execute slim). I found out > that way that DBD::mysql was the problem... (if you haven't installed > your own perl see the wiki on how to install DBD::mysql on Windows). That does indicate the problem. However, I have ActiveState Perl installed and I installed DBD::mysql but slimserver is not finding it in the right place. Where is the wiki you refer to? Regards, Rob. -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20281 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: When should I switch from SQLLite to MySQL?
OK, I installed MySQL 4.1 Using MySQL Administrator, I added a user ('slimserver' w/ no password) and a schema (slimdb) and assigned all available privileges to the user. I installed DBD::mysql I edited the slimserver.pref file as indicated in other posts. Now, Slimserver just sits in the tray saying 'Slimserver starting' but never starts. I'm running all on a WinXP box. What am I missing? Regards, Rob... -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20281 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Albums not in correct sort order
I have 4 albums* that show up at the top of the list in 'Browse Albums' view. Looking at the data tables indicates these 4 albums have no data in the TITLESEARCH and TITLESORT fields. Also, 3 of the 4 albums are single artist albums but are incorrectly flagged as compilations. I have re-tagged all of these sevearl times as well as rescanned the library from scratch multiple times. Any suggestions? I am using v6.2b2 on WinXP * Hot Rocks by The Rolling Stones The Carol Album by Taverner Consort Gershwin on Piano by David Hamilton Sanctuary Windham Hill compilation -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19494 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How to connect to DB using MySQL front end?
pfarrell Wrote: > On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 18:08 -0800, rkeeney wrote: > > I would like to use a 3rd party db front end to access the slimserver > db > > for reports, etc. However, I can't figure out what ports, usernames > and > > passwords to use. So far, everything I've tried causes the front > end > > UIs to crash. > > > > I'm using SlimServer Version: 6.2b2 - 4738 on WinXP. > > sqlitebrowser is a free, opensource browser that works fine. > No need for ports or usernames, just use it to open the file. > > sqlitebrowser .slimserversql.db > works for me. > But I hate the leading dot, so I put in a symlink > link -s .slimserversql.db slimdb > so I can use 'slimdb' > as the file name > > > -- > Pat > http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html Looks promising, it opens the db just fine. Looks like I need to brush up on my SQL ccommand syntax! Thanks! -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18419 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How to connect to DB using MySQL front end?
I would like to use a 3rd party db front end to access the slimserver db for reports, etc. However, I can't figure out what ports, usernames and passwords to use. So far, everything I've tried causes the front end UIs to crash. I'm using SlimServer Version: 6.2b2 - 4738 on WinXP. Any guidance would be appreciated. Rob.... -- rkeeney rkeeney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18419 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Cannot rewind OGG file
I use V6.1 of SlimServer on WinXP and my entire library is OGG. I have read several posts about rewind/FF. I don't really understand why I cannot rewind the current song to the beginning without 'crashing' the server. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -- rkeeney ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss