[slim] Missing albums
I had an album with a typo in the mp3 tag. The artist was Tchaikovsky, Peter I. with extra spaces before the I. After a scan I was only able to see an entry for Tchaikovsky, Peter I., and the album (18 Pieces) was not listed. But I was able to find and play the album with a search for "18 Pieces". I edited the mp3 tags to remove the extra spaces and asked slimserver to reindex the playing selection, but it is still not listed under artists or albums. 1) How do I find out where Slimserver put it? 2) It sure would be nice if the search returned what Slimserver thought the album and artist were! 3) It would also be nice if one could browse to an album and ask slimserver to index just that album. I have 130 GB of mp3 files, and reindexing it all takes forever. I am using the 6.2 beta -- jarome ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Missing Albums
I found that a couple of Albums have not made it into the SS database. I can find them with the browse files option. But searching does not work. This was the case in SS6.2 and SS6.5 for exactly the same albums. I retagged them and rescanned - no cigar. Rescanned the whole database (numerous times) - still nothing. I got the toad out to look at the mysql tables and indeed nothing there, the albums and tracks are missing. It is all a bit weird. Other albums by the same artist have been scanned alright. There are no unusual characters in the file names. Does anyone know how to fix this? cheers Gus -- gusi gusi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30403 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] missing albums
hi im running slimserver 7.0 the problem i have is when i go to artist then go through their albums some are missing but when i go to music folder they are there and play ok,how do i get the albums to all be under the artist,i rescan for new music every couple of days but doesnt put the missing albums to the artist,do i need to upgrade to latest slimserver,ive never changed any settings on my slimserver since a company installed it on my smart media server do i need to change settings if so which settings be gentle has im not to familar with the settings and pages another question if i use the random play would the random play play tracks from the music folder as well as the artists section so basically play everything[40,000 plus tracks] thank you for any help -- mrgothic mrgothic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10759 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] "Missing" albums
I just set up a new SlimServer last night (version 6.5.2) and scanned my entire collection. I'm seeing some interesting behavior. If I navigate by Artist to "New Pornographers" I see a single album (Twin Cinema). I don't see "Electric Version" or "Mass Romantic". If I navigate by Album I can get to "Mass Romantic" and the artist is correctly listed as "New Pornographers". There is only 1 entry for that artist in the artist list (I've checked under T also to make sure that they weren't being incorrectly sorted with a "The" at the front). This behavior doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I haven't looked at the database structure, but I've been assuming it is normalized and as long as the album is indexed with the artist name I should be able to go at it from either direction and get the same results. Based on what I'm seeing I'd have to guess that the database is not normalized and there is information being duplicated and somehow getting corrupted. When I had the same music collection indexed on a different computer under the previous server version (6.5.1 IIRC) all albums appeared under the artist (actually, one of them had a "The" in front, but they appeared side-by-side in the artist list). Any suggestions? Thanks. Colin -- colin_young colin_young's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Albums
I can find them with the browse files option. But searching does not work. This was the case in SS6.2 and SS6.5 for exactly the same albums. What OS? Do the files containt any non-latin characters? Did you check permissions on the files and the folder containing the file? Please turn on debugging (Server Settings/Debugging: d_scan, d_files) and search the log for information about your files. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] missing albums
sounds like you have some issues with your tagging, you might look into some threads in that forum heading -- audiot audiot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8390 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] missing albums
tagging seems to be ok,ive done a complete rescan took awhile to do but came back with same results everythings there in music folder but things are missing when i do the artist search,i like to play my music with random play if i go to 1 my music folder then hit the random play will it play tracks from all my collection or 2 just tracks from the artist section were things are missing if 1 is ok then i can live with it cheers -- mrgothic mrgothic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10759 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] missing albums
i'm almost positive, it will play everything it sees in the "Music Folders" alast I almost always use the Browse -> Music Folders --- sometimes the "New Music" as I've grew quite a collection and cannot remember everything I bought recently (-; -- audiot audiot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8390 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] missing albums
If these are compilation albums then they may not show up on an Artist search, as Squeezecenter sees them as "Various artists" or whatever parameter you have set. Try doing a song search for one of the missing tracks, does it come up that way? If so, try switching off "Group Compilation Albums together" setting and do a full clear and rescan. Does it work now? -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? "-Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...-" (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] missing albums
looks like i have tag problems with some of the missing albums but not all,most missing albums are ordinary albums with just a few compilations on the random play some people say it will random your music folders and some say it will only random the database,ill do a seperate post on the subject thank you for your replys -- mrgothic mrgothic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10759 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] missing albums
One thing I always check first when something is wrong in the database is to check for APE tags. I did some tagging with that earlier but no more. A mix of tags quite ofte leads to strange results. Today I just delete all APE tags with mp3tag. -- Espen Espen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] missing albums
Tags are SO important. The best thing you can do is go through your collection checking out and fixing the tags on everything using mp3tag or whatever until you are sure everything is right and then make sure you check the tags of every new addition to the collection before you add it to the library. It could be a mammoth task but worth it. -- broadside broadside's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9808 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] missing albums
hi thank you for your replies i did have some albums in ape which were converted the flac sp it looks like these will have both tags ive downloaded mp3tag when i opened the programe i changed the directory to z drive were my music is stored and it started to scan which i stoped is this right should i let it scan the complete music files[40.000 which over 3000 is wrong] what happens after its scaned what do i need to do it looks very complicated to me as im a bit of a noob on this tagging cheers gary -- mrgothic mrgothic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10759 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] missing albums
The wiki is your friend: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Mp3tagGuide -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] missing albums
aubuti;315412 Wrote: > The wiki is your friend: > http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Mp3tagGuide thank you ive just started the retagging of my missing albums at least i can nip this in the bud before the problem got bigger cheers -- mrgothic mrgothic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10759 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] "Missing" albums
Are the artist tags identical according to a tagger like Mp3tag? -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910&postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] "Missing" albums
What format are the files in (flac, mp3, etc.)? Almost all the problems I've had like this have come down to multiple tag sets (ID3v2, ID3v3, APE, etc.) in mp3 files. It's easy for different tag sets to be inconsistent, and then slimserver gets confused. Unfortunately, that doesn't explain why it started with the upgrade. Try looking at the tags in a good tagging program like mp3tag to see if there are multiple types of tags in the problem tracks, and delete the superfluous ones (if you find any). -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] "Missing" albums
I'll check out the tags tonight. The files are FLAC and WMA. I still don't understand why I get a different view depending on the path I take to get to the data, but that's probably just me projecting my database experience and the UI is actually hiding an underlying data format that is more complex than I'm assuming. -- colin_young colin_young's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] "Missing" albums
I think it's more that you are expecting more normalization to be done automatically than is really possible. Is '\"The Bears\"' (http://www.thebearsmusic.com/) the same band as '\"Bears\"' (http://www.bearspop.com)? Or is it the same as "The Bears," the irish punk band that released "Insane/Decisions" as a single in 1978? Tags matter a lot for this reason. Variations on artists makes them different. Ie, the normalization should be done at the tag level, not by slimserver, which would only guess (and would most likely merge the three above, even though they are very different bands). -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] "Missing" albums
Many problems associated with displaying albums and tracks can be explained by bad tags. But there are plenty that can't. SlimServer has a lot of scanner bugs which in my experience causes whole albums not to show up, more tracks to be listed in some views than others and also affects the collection/caching of artwork. At this stage I haven't added anything to my music collection in a while. But playing with moving SlimServer from one computer to another and ping-ponging between different nightlies has shown all this to be very true. I am about to move to a current nightly since the one I'm running now (by necessity) is a few months old. The few I tried back in April or May were just giving me too many issues. I'm using all MP3 files and SlimServer is supposed to be reading their location from an iTunes XML file. After moving SlimServer to a different computer with an otherwise identical disk layout to the previous, simply selecting the iTunes option is not enough. I have to also tell it where the iTunes XML is *AND* manually specify where the music files are. It will simply not find the music files if I don't. The music is coming from same external HD with an identical iTunes setup with the XML stored on that external drive. I just did a complete clear of the caches a couple of hours ago and now the album listing is different than it previously was. The only changes I've made were to turn on the Sound Check option in iTunes which updated all the tags and then turned on the volume adjustment in SlimServer. Now I'm getting two album entries for "Forever Pop" from Alphaville. The first one listing tracks 2-13 and the second listing only track 1. The first has a cover the second doesn't. The relevant track details in the songs are identical. I'm also now also missing about 50 songs versus the count displayed in iTunes. Of course I have no clue which ones aren't appearing. -- MelonMonkey Bruno *'Twisted Melon - Fine Mac OS Software' (http://twistedmelon.com) | 'mira - Personal Control for your Apple Remote' (http://twistedmelon.com)* MelonMonkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] "Missing" albums
snarlydwarf;208412 Wrote: > I think it's more that you are expecting more normalization to be done > automatically than is really possible. > > Is '\"The Bears\"' (http://www.thebearsmusic.com/) the same band as > '\"Bears\"' (http://www.bearspop.com)? Or is it the same as "The > Bears," the irish punk band that released "Insane/Decisions" as a > single in 1978? > > Tags matter a lot for this reason. Variations on artists makes them > different. Ie, the normalization should be done at the tag level, not > by slimserver, which would only guess (and would most likely merge the > three above, even though they are very different bands). My expectation is If I have an album 'X' by band 'Y', I should be able to look up band 'Y' and see album 'X'. Instead, if I look at band 'Y' I am only seeing album 'Z' and there is only a single entry that looks anything like 'Y'. It seems that SlimServer has in fact decided I have album 'Z' by band 'Y' and album 'X' by band 'Y1' but then refuses to show band 'Y1' on the artist list. Maybe it's because the text of both is identical, but internally they are actually 2 distinct entities and the code that retrieves the artist list merges them. In any case, it seems like something is broken. I'll have to try exploring the database directly to see if I can figure out what's going on. In your example I would fully expect to see 2 band entries, where one of them really should have been split into 2, but I don't expect SlimServer to be able to do that. When I said normalization, I was referring to database normalization, not canonicalizing the names of artists. It didn't occur to me that my statement could be interpreted that way :) -- colin_young colin_young's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] "Missing" albums
MelonMonkey, you described my experiences exactly. -- prabbit prabbit's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11142 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] "Missing" albums
The 6.5.3 nightly from June 12th 2007 found all my music and no longer needed to have the location of the iTunes folder specified. There are a couple of small issues with it that I've mentioned in the Beta forum, but I think I'm going to stick with it and not go back to a previous nightly if things keep looking fine. -- MelonMonkey Bruno *'Twisted Melon - Fine Mac OS Software' (http://twistedmelon.com) | 'mira - Personal Control for your Apple Remote' (http://twistedmelon.com)* MelonMonkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Missing Albums after scan
I'm frustrated. I'm not a newbie to this service and it's worked flawlessly for many years (I think). Maybe it's the latest update or me playing with my tagging but... In my "The Beatles" folder I have 9 Beatles's FLAC encoded albums all in their own little folder. Squeezecenter likes only 3 Beatles albums. It ignores the rest. I've cleared the library multiple times and still only likes the 3. I've directed the scan specifically for those albums and still, they won't show up on my library. I've even cleared the library and rescanned my backup music drive, a clone, and still no go. I've looked at the files, there properties, content, permissions (which I changed to full access), I've played the music on those albums through Media Monkey, and I've given it a night's rest and a fresh brain. I would not be surprised if many other albums are missing, unless Sqeezecenter didn't like the boys much. So what I'm I missing, besides of course BEATLES ALBUMS? -- NoFlyZone NoFlyZone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54551 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Albums after scan
Are they there if you browse the Music Folder rather than Albums? Does anything come up if you do a search for No Album? Were they there on previous installs? Is there anything in the Scanner log in SC settings>advanced? Disclaimer: This advice is not official, and you should contact SD tech support ASAP. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54551 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Albums after scan
Thanks Skunk. They showed up in no album and are in the music folder. Logs are clean or don't show issues with this music. Now I need to figure out why I have music in "no album". -- NoFlyZone NoFlyZone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54551 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Albums after scan
NoFlyZone;355982 Wrote: > > Now I need to figure out why I have music in "no album". Skipping over why for a minute, you should DL Mp3tag if you don't already have it, and point it to your music directory. When it'd done scanning click on the column Album, and the ones with no album tag will show up at the top. If it keeps happening I would look at other music apps you use, e.g. media monkey, and make sure they're not changing tags. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54551 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Albums after scan
mp3tag works on FLAC files? Be sure to set mp3tag to look at each type of tag separately, too. Sometimes it is a case of the information being stored in one tag format, but SC gives priority to another tag format. I only use Mp3, but this has caught me before where SC was giving priority to APE tags, but the information I wanted it to pick up was in the ID3 tags. -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54551 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Albums after scan
MeSue;356001 Wrote: > mp3tag works on FLAC files? > > Be sure to set mp3tag to look at each type of tag separately, too. > Sometimes it is a case of the information being stored in one tag > format, but SC gives priority to another tag format. I only use Mp3, > but this has caught me before where SC was giving priority to APE tags, > but the information I wanted it to pick up was in the ID3 tags. Yeah, very well, despite the unfortunate name. Good point about the ID3 tags, and as it happens you don't need to change any settings in Mp3Tag if you're using FLAC files. It will automatically read all tags, so just look at the Tags column and scroll through to any that list ID3 rather than just FLAC (FLAC). Select the files infected with ID3 tags, hit ctrl+x to remove all tags, and ctrl+v to paste them back in. Mp3 tag will not write ID3 tags to a FLAC file (unlike some other named music apps), so after they're pasted back in the Tag column will list FLAC (FLAC) as the tag type, which is their way of saying Vorbis tags. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Mp3tagGuide -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54551 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
