Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-12 Thread jeffmeh

I'll add another endorsement for an off-topic forum.  That would seem
to satisfy both those who want to write and read off-topic posts, and
those who want to easily avoid them.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-11 Thread Peter
kdf wrote:
 And with that, this is my final post on the general forum. It no longer
 provides any interest (and more frequently crossing the line to
 annoyance) for me, so I'll follow the advice given and simply stop
 reading.

 I invite others to do the same. Plenty of other forums and they have
 lots of flexibility to cover interesting topics without having to
 filter sports politics or religion (well, aside from the audiophile
 forum).
   

Ah great. There goes one of the main contributors. This is exactly the 
kind of thing I warned against.

Bad move SD!

MrSinatra's suggestion would have solved all.

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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-11 Thread Nonreality

KDF did the right thing if he doesn't want to read things that don't
interest him.  I would think just not reading the particular thread
would be the right choice but if this makes him more happy then I guess
you leave the forum.  Why people can't ignore a thread is beyond me.  I
don't leave a forum just because they have a thread about a product
that means nothing to me.  I read the other ones.  I would have to have
quite an ego to think they would alter an intire forum just because I
didn't like it or agree with it.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-11 Thread Nonreality

mvalera;358615 Wrote: 
 The General discussion area is just that... it's for everything. If
 people want to comment on the election then this is the correct area.
 
 A few non-Squeezebox related posts after a historic election does not
 mean that the forum is going off track.
 
 Mike
Thank you for verifying what I have always thought it was.  I didn't
start this as a hard core political thread but people ended up talking
about it. It's been civil but the ones that have complained have pushed
the line in this thread.  I believe Goodsounds has be called stupid and
alluded to being an idiot because he defended my thread.  It shouldn't
get to this no matter the subject.  But I feel all will calm down like
we always seem to do.  This clarification should help and let people
just relax a bit.  Again read my first post in the thread, I really
tried to keep it about hope and non partisan and even mentioned hope
for good new music but I got nailed anyway.  It was not ment to offend
anyone.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-11 Thread MrSinatra

mvalera;358615 Wrote: 
 The General discussion area is just that... it's for everything. If
 people want to comment on the election then this is the correct area.
 
 A few non-Squeezebox related posts after a historic election does not
 mean that the forum is going off track.
 
 Mike

Mike,

i respect this answer and i respect your authority, (cartman style!)
and i always thought that what you described above was in fact the
case, so that puts that issue to rest...  HOWEVER...

since there is a vocal minority who are also, i assume, valued members
of the community, why not incorporate my suggestion?  to ask another
way, why won't slim do it if in fact you won't?

the main thing i am asking for is for a new anything goes forum to be
created that ostensibly would be for any NON-slim topic, (and of course
it should be civil and also not promote the competition).  the new sub
forum could be easily ignored by others.

it isn't to be created for just the one political thread and 4
complaining threads, but rather as a place where people can talk
without fear of being too off topic or annoying slim devotees.  i know
in the past i simply self censored things that didn't fall under
general discussion about slim b/c altho that isn't how slim saw it, i
knew a lot of the old timers saw it that way, and frankly i didn't want
to deal with it.

but as slim grows, this need will probably just get moe pronounced, so
why not nip it in the bud now and appease all sides?

thx.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-11 Thread autopilot

Mike: Thanks for clearing that up.

Kdf: That's an incredibly melodramatic knee-jerk response to 1 thread.
Why not wait and see what happens first? It's would be a real shame if
you stopped contributing, especially just to make a point.

However, in light of the new subforums, i don't think leaving
SB3/Classic and Transporter discussion in General Discussion is a good
idea. They either need their own forums OR change the Kitchen sink
heading to SB Classic, Transport  General Squeezebox talk the make a
new forum called Everything else or Banter and head it Off topic
chat about life the universe and everything, or something along those
lines.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-11 Thread Themis

A tempest in a bowl, really. I totally agree with Mike on this.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-11 Thread Echo

MrSinatra;358983 Wrote: 
 the main thing i am asking for is for a new anything goes forum to be
 created that ostensibly would be for any NON-slim topic, (and of course
 it should be civil and also not promote the competition).  the new sub
 forum could be easily ignored by others.
 

I agree, an 'Off Topic' forum is a good solution, but I'd be among
those who wouldn't read it.  I'm a recent owner of the Duet (and
additional receivers) and these forums have impressed me with the
knowledge and helpfulness of the community.  I continue to visit to
stay current with new and planned features. I also like that the forums
have a tight focus on its primary purpose.

However like most forums once the majority of regular users have
attained a certain level of knowledge either people visit less or
discussions start to drift.  An 'Off Topic' section would help to
satisfy those who want it and contain such discussions to one area.  As
stated by Mike, General Discussion is for all things; it's not really an
issue right now but if off topic threads become more prevalent then GD
should be moved from the top of the User Forums.  The forums at the top
should be the most relevant to the Logitech's interest - a new visitor's
first impression shouldn't be one of sports topics or lolcats.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread Peter


Nonreality wrote:

 That's it?  I was really trying to figure out why, but you come back
 with my attitude.  Brilliant. I really don't think anyone forces you to
 get emailed every post.  You can choose and you can log on and read or
 use a rss reader.  But you choose to try to stop every thread you don't
 want.  My attitude, you might want to check yours also.  I will also
 look at mine again and try to adjust.
   

That's it? Because a minority wants to talk politics and sports en god 
knows what else, other people should unsubscribe from this mailing list? 
Is that the logic?

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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread MrSinatra

Peter,

the logic is they could use their mail app to filter the ONE thread
out.

there are now THREE threads to complain about one thread!  that is
rather absurd.

i totally understand and RESPECT the desire of you and others like you
to not get or see these discussions...  so why not join me in my
suggestion to ask slim to create a forum for discussions that AREN'T
about slim stuff?

maybe slim would be open to it, seems a good solution if so, no?


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread Peter
MrSinatra wrote:
 Peter,

 the logic is they could use their mail app to filter the ONE thread
 out.

 there are now THREE threads to complain about one thread!  that is
 rather absurd.
   

Really? So political and sports subjects are alright, but discussing the 
use of the list is not? I see only two topics, BTW.

 i totally understand and RESPECT the desire of you and others like you
 to not get or see these discussions...  so why not join me in my
 suggestion to ask slim to create a forum for discussions that AREN'T
 about slim stuff?

 maybe slim would be open to it, seems a good solution if so, no?
   

Absolutely. An everything-goes forum is fine by me.

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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread Peter

Nonreality wrote:
peter;358381 Wrote: 
  

Nonreality wrote:


That's it?  I was really trying to figure out why, but you come back
with my attitude.  Brilliant. I really don't think anyone forces you
  

to


get emailed every post.  You can choose and you can log on and read
  

or


use a rss reader.  But you choose to try to stop every thread you
  

don't


want.  My attitude, you might want to check yours also.  I will also
look at mine again and try to adjust.
  
  

That's it? Because a minority wants to talk politics and sports en god

knows what else, other people should unsubscribe from this mailing
list? 
Is that the logic?


Regards,
Peter128 posts in that thread and about 3 or 4 complaining about it. 


Minority eh?  Why is it all about you?  Obviously some people are
enjoying it.  You say stop and it all should?  Why?
  


Explained that in many posts already.
You figure I should post 128 posts as well?

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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread Goodsounds

Maybe you guys are on to something. We should ban any discussion about
accessing the BBC - who cares, I don't listen to it. Same about
problems with accented characters - why don't these people just use
American English like I do. If they did, they'd have no problems.

And, we should limit forum hours to 9am to 6 pm in my time zone, so
that no discussions go on when I can't participate. 

There are a lot of people who are unhappy when they can't have their
way. Many who have trouble dealing with people who hold different
opinions from their own. Still others who have trouble understanding
the difference between subjective and objective information.
Unfortunately I see these traits often in these forums.

For all these people, the occasional irrelevant topic diversion is good
therapy. So too the passionate and sometimes illogical banter that can
erupt when a person's deeply held (and usually subjective) beliefs are
questioned.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread snarlydwarf

Goodsounds;358488 Wrote: 
 
 For all these people, the occasional irrelevant topic diversion is good
 therapy. So too the passionate and sometimes illogical banter that can
 erupt when a person's deeply held (and usually subjective) beliefs are
 questioned.

I agree: as long as it is mostly civil, some off topic is actually a
Good Thing.

This is a Community forum: just like it says at the top of the page. 
The purpose of the forum isn't to provide support, it is to provide
community (which is a key to Open Source software management: it isn't
just about talking about code, it is about friendship, trust, and
respect... or community.)

We have a full forum set aside to discuss music, not the SB, not SC,
not Audiophilia, but... Music.  Because hey, he listens to some pretty
decent stuff helps build that community.  So does, okay, he's not a
rabid right/left wing wacko, but actually has a lot in common with my
political beliefs.

I don't see a problem with it.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread Themis

peter;358413 Wrote: 
 
 You figure I should post 128 posts as well?
I bet you wouldn't dare to. :)


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread Peter
Goodsounds wrote:
 Maybe you guys are on to something. We should ban any discussion about
 accessing the BBC - who cares, I don't listen to it. Same about
 problems with accented characters - why don't these people just use
 American English like I do. If they did, they'd have no problems.
   

You're on to something. Let's start discussing Dutch politics, in Dutch...

 And, we should limit forum hours to 9am to 6 pm in my time zone, so
 that no discussions go on when I can't participate. 

 There are a lot of people who are unhappy when they can't have their
 way. Many who have trouble dealing with people who hold different
 opinions from their own. Still others who have trouble understanding
 the difference between subjective and objective information.
 Unfortunately I see these traits often in these forums.

 For all these people, the occasional irrelevant topic diversion is good
 therapy. So too the passionate and sometimes illogical banter that can
 erupt when a person's deeply held (and usually subjective) beliefs are
 questioned.
   

How stupid can you get? This is about SNR, signal/noise ratio. Groups 
and forums with a low enough signal/noise ratio are useless to anyone. 
Now, 5% noise may not seem a big problem, but I'm sure any idiot can see 
70% noise  makes it hard to hear the music. I've seen enough forums and 
usenet groups die because nobody cared about staying on topic.

This forum was *never* about sports and politics until a few months ago. 
Who suddenly decided that was a good idea, and that anybody who 
disagreed 'had trouble dealing with different opinions'?

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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread MrSinatra

there are three.

thx for joining me in my request.

and yes, discussing the use of the forum is fine, but that was really
secondary to the complaining nature of the three threads, and moreover,
could have been discussed all in one complaining thread.

in any case, lets just work towards the solution.  thx again.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread Nonreality

peter;358381 Wrote: 
 Nonreality wrote:
 
  That's it?  I was really trying to figure out why, but you come back
  with my attitude.  Brilliant. I really don't think anyone forces you
 to
  get emailed every post.  You can choose and you can log on and read
 or
  use a rss reader.  But you choose to try to stop every thread you
 don't
  want.  My attitude, you might want to check yours also.  I will also
  look at mine again and try to adjust.

 
 That's it? Because a minority wants to talk politics and sports en god
 
 knows what else, other people should unsubscribe from this mailing
 list? 
 Is that the logic?
 
 Regards,
 Peter128 posts in that thread and about 3 or 4 complaining about it. 
Minority eh?  Why is it all about you?  Obviously some people are
enjoying it.  You say stop and it all should?  Why?


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread Themis

peter;358511 Wrote: 
 I've seen enough forums and usenet groups die because nobody cared about
 staying on topic.Oh, -that- was the real reason, hein ? Nice to see I'm not 
 the only one
who cares about these forums. :)


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread Goodsounds

peter;358511 Wrote: 
 
 
 You're on to something. Let's start discussing Dutch politics, in
 Dutch...

Goede idee. Dat is fijn met mij. Ou bien, nous pouvons avoir une
discussion en francais. Ca m'est egal. C'est possible pour moi de
parler dans ces deux langues, et aussi dans quelques autres. 

peter;358511 Wrote: 
 How stupid can you get? 

What are you looking for?

peter;358511 Wrote: 
 This forum was *never* about sports and politics until a few months ago.
 
 Who suddenly decided that was a good idea, and that anybody who 
 disagreed 'had trouble dealing with different opinions'? 

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this. Don't feel obligated
to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do. Everyone can
easily ignore the threads they find uninteresting or unworthy of their
time. I do that daily without feeling the need to rant about it.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread MrSinatra

All,

a solution exists.  just as there is a music forum for discussing
music, we could request that slim creates a forum for discussing any
and everything not slim related or covered by another existing forum.

we could also request General Discussion be renamed to General
discussion about Slim

this solution would appease all parties i think, and if so, why don't
we concentrate on that request to slim going forward?


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread autopilot

I honestly can't believe what a fuss is being made. 1 thread. 1 single
thread causes this much upset?! People need to get out the house for a
while. If things were getting out of hand, with loads of threads with
flame wars, spam and trolling then yeah the mods should mod. But we are
talking about 1 lousy thread here.

The thing is, while we may disagree (which is healthy) we all spend
time on these forums. Most have large post counts and have spent a
considerable amount of time talking about our interest and helping each
other out. Is the odd thread off topic every now and again really that
much of a bad thing? I enjoy a bit of banter with people here, i
respect them as people and would not get the chance to talk to them
elsewhere.

If the mods say it not allowed, then thats fair enough. But they have
had more than enough time to respond, so my guess is they dont really
care.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread mvalera

The General discussion area is just that... it's for everything. If
people want to comment on the election then this is the correct area.

A few non-Squeezebox related posts after a historic election does not
mean that the forum is going off track.

Mike


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread kdf

And with that, this is my final post on the general forum. It no longer
provides any interest (and more frequently crossing the line to
annoyance) for me, so I'll follow the advice given and simply stop
reading.

I invite others to do the same. Plenty of other forums and they have
lots of flexibility to cover interesting topics without having to
filter sports politics or religion (well, aside from the audiophile
forum).

-kdf


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread Ross Malegus
Historic election is right. It appears the US is back on track, walk softly
and carry a big stick.

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The General discussion area is just that... it's for everything. If
people want to comment on the election then this is the correct area.

A few non-Squeezebox related posts after a historic election does not
mean that the forum is going off track.

Mike


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-10 Thread Goodsounds

kdf;358626 Wrote: 
 And with that, this is my final post on the general forum. It no longer
 provides any interest (and more frequently crossing the line to
 annoyance) for me, so I'll follow the advice given and simply stop
 reading.
 

An opinion, everyone is entitled to one, and better that people have
opinions than to have no opinions. But it is simply amazing to me that
anyone could feel so strongly about something so unimportant.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-09 Thread Nonreality

pfarrell;358044 Wrote: 
 ModelCitizen wrote:
  It's a mild aberration.
  If it bothers you don't read it.
  It's no biggy.
 
 Sorry, it bothers me. And it comes to my email inbox.
 
 There are plenty of other places on the 'net to rant about politics.
 
 It has nothing to do with Slim Devices, Logitech Streaming Medea
 products, music or technology.
 Please stop.
 
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Lets see you subscribe to all the threads and you are pissed when you
get something you don't like.  Could you please post a list of
everything you don't like so we can make sure you don't get anything
sent to you that might not make the cut.  Although I guess if everyone
did that nothing could be posted.  Maybe you could try filtering like a
lot of people do. I believe this forum is called General Discussion.
There is going to be a lot of different topics here.  Maybe it's not
the best one to subscribe to as I've noticed any time a post is not
what you feel belongs you try to stop it.  When this happens to me I
read it once and don't go back to the thread if it doesn't interest me.
I don't expect everyone else to stop just because of me.  Different
thinking I guess.  Don't get me wrong, I really respect most of your
posts, you are very smart and knowledgeable but I don't understand the
intolerance of things that interest others.  Loosen up, they usually
don't last too long.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-09 Thread Pat Farrell
Nonreality wrote:
 Could you please post a list of
 everything you don't like so we can make sure you don't get anything
 sent to you that might not make the cut. 

Your attitude is at the top


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-09 Thread Peter
ajkidle wrote:
 Well put, couldn't agree more.  It's a general discussion forum about
 Slim Devices products, not a general discussion forum about everything.
 On second thought, maybe I should post something about the book I just
 read and a questions about the plumbing project I'm working on in the
 basement.  I'll just make the forums my own personal blog...
   

I tried to complain a while ago when someone thought it proper to start 
a thread on the bloody Olympics. I got very little support. I'm 
subscribed to this forum as a mailing list ever since it was about the 
SliMP3. I expect SD related discussions in my mailbox, not politics, 
sports or the weather. They're already back as far as WW2 I believe.

I'm not for extremely strict topic rules, sometimes discussions go a bit 
astray. But this goes much too far IMHO.

Regards,
Peter

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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-09 Thread Nonreality

pfarrell;358308 Wrote: 
 Nonreality wrote:
  Could you please post a list of
  everything you don't like so we can make sure you don't get anything
  sent to you that might not make the cut. 
 
 Your attitude is at the top
 
 
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That's it?  I was really trying to figure out why, but you come back
with my attitude.  Brilliant. I really don't think anyone forces you to
get emailed every post.  You can choose and you can log on and read or
use a rss reader.  But you choose to try to stop every thread you don't
want.  My attitude, you might want to check yours also.  I will also
look at mine again and try to adjust.


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-09 Thread badbob

pfarrell;358044 Wrote: 
 ModelCitizen wrote:
  It's a mild aberration.
  If it bothers you don't read it.
  It's no biggy.
 
 Sorry, it bothers me. And it comes to my email inbox.
 
 There are plenty of other places on the 'net to rant about politics.
 
 It has nothing to do with Slim Devices, Logitech Streaming Medea
 products, music or technology.
 
 Please stop.
 
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 http://www.pfarrell.com/

Annoyed that Mccain lost?


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-09 Thread MrSinatra

but not yours pat?  :)

i'll just reiterate what i said in the other thread that complains
about a single thread:

slim should make a forum for topics that have nothing to do with slim,
and probably rename general discussion to general discussion about
slim, if in fact thats what it is.

then again, as we are talking about one thread, (not counting the two
complaining about it), slim might do nothing.

but imo, they should.  it would appease everyone and make expectations
clear for the future.


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[slim] Political BS

2008-11-08 Thread Ralph Plumb
I subscribe to this list for Squeezebox info and not all of this  
political crap. This should be rejected.

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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-08 Thread ModelCitizen

It's a mild aberration.
If it bothers you don't read it.
It's no biggy.

MC


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Re: [slim] Political BS

2008-11-08 Thread Pat Farrell
ModelCitizen wrote:
 It's a mild aberration.
 If it bothers you don't read it.
 It's no biggy.

Sorry, it bothers me. And it comes to my email inbox.

There are plenty of other places on the 'net to rant about politics.

It has nothing to do with Slim Devices, Logitech Streaming Medea
products, music or technology.

Please stop.

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