[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-11-06 Thread bpa

I have posted a new patch and Windows .exe for Mplayer in this thread
which hopefully solves this final garbled audio.
.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=16917&page=9


-- 
bpa

bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806
View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14543

___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-30 Thread Triode

Shall we take this discussion to the plugin list as it sounds like it will 
carry on for a while...

Socketwrapper source is here: 
http://svn.slimdevices.com/trunk/tools/socketwrapper/

If you don't see the stalled message, then it sounds like a process in the 
pipeline ended.



I enabled DEBUGPIPE - no message about pipe being stalled just "Killing
MoveData thread".

Restart occurred about 3:25 after start of stream.  Yesterday it was
about 3:40hrs.  I have 2 ethereal traces so I'll try to see if the
times are closer but it looks too coincidental.  I'll look into this a
bit more but I still think it is peripheral to the garbled audio.


___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-30 Thread bpa

I enabled DEBUGPIPE - no message about pipe being stalled just "Killing
MoveData thread".

Restart occurred about 3:25 after start of stream.  Yesterday it was
about 3:40hrs.  I have 2 ethereal traces so I'll try to see if the
times are closer but it looks too coincidental.  I'll look into this a
bit more but I still think it is peripheral to the garbled audio.


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-30 Thread Triode


I think the restarting is to do with the socketwrapper code. This
listens for output from mplayer and sends it the slim code, if output
stops the code restarts mplayer. This is required on Windows to
overcome problems with piping data. The source of this is available in
SVN if you want to take a look. This code was changed specifically from
AlienBBC, it may be that there is something odd going on. You can get
debug info from this by changing slimserver-convert.conf, replace
#PIPE# with #DEBUGPIPE#.

NB if you have #DEBUGPIPE# enabled socketwrapper kills the stream if it stalls for 10 seconds, otherwise it is a minute (from 
memory) 


___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-30 Thread bpa

I may have a peek at the socketwrapper code but it is a side issue to
the garbled audio.  I was initially worried that the restart was caused
by Mplayer but from the trace it doesn't look likely so I don't think it
is associated with garbled audio just indicative of gaps in the audio
stream.

Re the "kill code" mplayer - remove it - it was a  mistake - I think
some people may have installed it by accident if the mouse wasn't quite
over the latest version.


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-30 Thread Neil Sleightholm

I think the restarting is to do with the socketwrapper code. This
listens for output from mplayer and sends it the slim code, if output
stops the code restarts mplayer. This is required on Windows to
overcome problems with piping data. The source of this is available in
SVN if you want to take a look. This code was changed specifically from
AlienBBC, it may be that there is something odd going on. You can get
debug info from this by changing slimserver-convert.conf, replace
#PIPE# with #DEBUGPIPE#.

Mplayer download: would it be a good idea to remove the 'mplayer with
kill code' from the downloads page?

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-29 Thread bpa

With Softqueeze (Linux) playing r4 on Slimserver 6.1.2 on XP, I've had
two cases where connections just dropped and restarted.  After the
first I rant ethereal on Linux. After 3h40m (43Mbytes) of trace - same
thing.  

Trace shows slimserver on port 9000 (i.e. the port of the Get
Stream.mp3) closes the connection to Softsqueeze - this cause Mplayer
to stop but slimserver restarts it. 
Why would slimserver decided to close connection yet restart the stream
?  Is there a timer or counter running ? 

This is another red herring but very strange slimserver behaviour.

Before the restart of the stream, lots of lost packets - even after a
19969msec gap the stream continued as normal.

My machine is comparable   - P4 3.4, 1Gb, XP PRO sp2 so that excludes
that possibility.


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-29 Thread Hangtight

AMD 64 3200+, 1GB PC3200 ram, XP Pro SP2


-- 
Hangtight
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-29 Thread bpa

I'm pretty sure it was Mplayer - I think it is associated with screen
saver and/or power save for the monitor ? 

I don't think it is worth testing this config. as other problems are
ocurring which just distract.  What may be more interesting is to
change slimserver-convert.conf  so that Mplayer produces messages -
from "really-quiet" to "verbose 1" and keep run slim from the CMD
window.  This may still have cmd window problems but it will let us see
the "packets lost" which I think is still key.

Just for the record what is the "power" of your system 
Processor ? 
Windows version ? 
memory ?


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-29 Thread Hangtight

Just came home to find a long list of missing package messages in the
cmd window and a locked up PC. Not sure what happened and when, but I
can't remember the last time my machine fell over, so I'm tentatively
pointing the finger at mplayer/ rm. Is there anything else I can do or
configuration I can run that will help you all get to the bottom of the
problem?


-- 
Hangtight
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-29 Thread bpa

The file demux_real.c matches my baseline. Also the behaviour and
messages output indicate that your latest Mplayer build used it - so
there is no need for a rebuild.

Rather than keep updating my CVS build - I have stayed with a mid Sept
build and then later re-test with latest CVS and pre7. I don't believe
there is anything to be gained by going back to pre7. 

I have a number of test files built from ethereal logs so I can test
base functionality on different versions.  The real time stream from
the BBC has packets arriving at different rates and that can't be
simulated easily but our current problem is "garbled" audio which can
only happen if not enough or too many packets are passed to the codec -
timing of packets doesn't matter as the code processes packets
sequentially with no regard to whether a file or a live stream supplied
it.

I now have a Softsqueeze running on my Linux box and Slim 6.1.2 running
on Windows with no problems.


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-29 Thread Neil Sleightholm

bpa Wrote: 
> The file you used to build the latest version of Mplayer was the file I
> posted unchanged ? You didn't have to make any changes to make it work
> ?  My current version of demux-real has had many debug changes so I
> want to go back to the beginning.I haven't made any changes to the files you 
> posted but I think I have
lost track of which one is in which build. I have attached the three
versions I have in my build folder. If you could tell me which one
matches your baseline I can rebuild mplayer and post only 1 version for
download if that would help. Note: I always build mplayer with the
latest CVS copy, would it be better to base the changes on 1.0pre7?

Neil


+---+
|Filename: demux_real.c.zip |
|Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=444|
+---+

-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-29 Thread Hangtight

I've had mplayer running in a cmd window for about 3 hours this morning
with 5 instances of block gaps with inserted silence and 8 instances of
lost packets with gaps between 350ms & 1200ms. Has recovered every time
and still running fine. I've not changed anything in the .conf file.
I'm just using the control string you posted earlier.


-- 
Hangtight
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-29 Thread bpa

Neil,

It was late when I wrote the last message.  I meant when I run slim.exe
in a CMD window and I have "-verbose 1" in the slimserver-convert.conf
file. 

It runs with the nice time counter rolling over.  If you mess with the
scroll bar, mplayer seems to stop I presume it can't output to the
window and so audio stream processing also stop - it is mainly a simple
one thread program.

Whenever I do long tests with Windows - I used to come back to the
system and find it frozen. I blamed on powersave but now I think there
is something else as I have disabled them all (I think).  The
datastream to BBC is stopped with regular TCP acks but the TCP window
not moving - this means Mplayer has a full output buffer or problem
with output to display - not sure which or why ?  But I don't think
looking at these problems will help sort the garble issue so I'll stick
to Linux.

The file you used to build the latest version of Mplayer was the file I
posted unchanged ? You didn't have to make any changes to make it work ?
My current version of demux-real has had many debug changes so I want
to go back to the beginning.


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-29 Thread Neil Sleightholm

bpa Wrote: 
> Mplayer in a cmd window is prone to be affected by all sorts of things
> mainly scroll bar but something in my screen powersave makes it freeze.
> So unless you can leave the PC alone, you can't really trust the test.This is 
> odd, I don't see anything like this. I do all my mplayer testing
in a cmd window on XP without any problems. Do you specify the "-vc
null" and "-vo null" options?

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-29 Thread Hangtight

Left it running last night undisturbed, but stream had stopped when I
checked it this morning. This way have been due to my one year old son
doing a bit of keyboard bashing! Unfortunately the window got closed
before I could note down any reports. I'll just keep testing.

Thanks


-- 
Hangtight
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread bpa

Mplayer in a cmd window is prone to be affected by all sorts of things
mainly scroll bar but something in my screen powersave makes it freeze.
So unless you can leave the PC alone, you can't really trust the test.


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread Hangtight

Weird. Moving the scroll bar on the cmd window will make the stream skip
and repeat until you stop playing around with it.


-- 
Hangtight
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread Hangtight

Just skipped like a stuck record for a few seconds after 8 minutes, but
recovered.


-- 
Hangtight
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread Hangtight

Seems to play fine at start up. I haven't had to play in DOS since I was
at school! What I didn't do was check the output from the Squeezebox
before I ran mplayer direct. Would calling up mplayer from cmd have
frozen the hardware end of things if it was already being used by the
Squeezebox? I just checked the unit and it's just sitting there with a
static level displayed on the VU meters.


-- 
Hangtight
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread Neil Sleightholm

Yes and change to the location of mplayer (probably C:\Program
Files\SlimServer\Server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread).

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread Hangtight

I take it I need to open a cmd window and put the above string in?


-- 
Hangtight
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread Neil Sleightholm

Could you try using mplayer directly. This should play Radio 4:
mplayer -vo null -cache 128 -af volume=4:sc,resample=44100:0:1
-playlist http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/realplayer/media/fmg2.rpm

This should eliminate AlienBBC/SlimServer.

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread bpa

The fact that it stayed garbled is enough. I just can't get it to happen
on my connections even though I've run it for hours.  Main difference is
I don't have a Squeezebox - that may be key.
Thanks


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread Hangtight

After I'd replaced the mplayer.exe with your suggested version (
followed by a reboot) the stream run for 30 minutes, garbled and then
stayed garbled, (isn't garbled a weird word when you say it often
enough?)with no signs of recovery. Restarted OK and is still fine after
a further 30 minutes. Got to pop out for a while now, but I'll let you
know if it's still behaving when I get back in.

Thanks for your time.


-- 
Hangtight
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread bpa

The newer version dealt with gaps of audio of typically 2-6 seconds.  So
when there is a gap Mplayer can only fill in the gap with silence or old
samples - that is probably what you are hearing.  

I'm very interested if the stream becomes garbled, stays garbled  and
doesn't return to normal within 20 seconds.


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread Hangtight

Thanks, This is a version of mplayer is a definite improvement, but
still got garbled output after about 30 minutes. Seems to restart the
stream ok without any immediate problems as before. I'll keep listening
and see if the problem exhibits any sort of pattern.


-- 
Hangtight
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread bpa

That version of Mplayer didn't handle all the garbled problems

http://www.x2systems.com/AlienBBC/mplayer051015.zip

Try this version - this is the one I'm still testing to find the last
(hopefully) issue- people still seem to get garbled audio but it is far
less frequent


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-28 Thread Hangtight

Hi bpa,

The mplayer version is 'mplayer dev-CVS-051004-17:18-3.4.2 for Windows'
from the link somewhere in previous posts. Slimserver is 6.2 from
26-10-05 and alienbbc 0.99 from the same date. The audio connects and
plays fine but starts to garble in as little as 30 seconds. The effect
is of very short bursts of audio played in the wrong order with
occasional short gaps. This degrades further until it sounds like two
garbled streams superimposed over each other. A friend of mine thinks
it sounds great and wants to sample it for a track. My wife on the
other hand thinks that she should just be able to turn it on and listen
to the Archers. For the sake of peace and harmony, I'm with the wife on
this one!


-- 
Hangtight
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-27 Thread CardinalFang

Any chance of someone building a Mac executable? Pretty please? I still
have the garbled sound and it is definitely the dropped/out-of-sync
packets issue. 

It's really annoying, especially if you have someone in the house who
is dedicated to the Archers and gets very stroppy when the sound gets
mangled just when there's a dramatic incident involving sausages and
sheep dip (it's a tale of country folk in the UK in case people in the
colonies were wondering :-))

Paul


-- 
CardinalFang
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-27 Thread bpa

I'm having problems tracing this last "garbled" issues. I've been
running Mplayer for the last week for 4 hours at a time at the peak
early time (5:30-9:30) on R4 and have not experienced it. 

Can you give me a summary of when the problem occurs for you, how long
do you have to listen and how frequent ?  

How does the garbled audio sound to you ?

Can you give details of the Mplayer you are using. Cut and paste the
banner line which gives version no. etc. and also file size.


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-27 Thread bpa

There is a patched version of Mplayer - it is not official yet.  If you
are using XP then you can get a build from below.

http://www.x2systems.com/alienbbc/mplayer.html

The second version has a better but newer less tested fix.


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-27 Thread Hangtight

Hi,

I'm new to the forum and have been following this thread with interest
as my wife is very keen to listen to Radio 4 again on the grown up
speakers! I have just tried moving to Slimserver 6.2, alien 0.99 and
the suggested mplayer fix (w/o kill) but I'm still getting the garbled
output within a couple of minutes of selecting a BBC stream. Am I
missing something? Any help much appreciated (if only so I don't have
to go and dig my old tuner out of the loft!)

Thanks in advance.


-- 
Hangtight
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-18 Thread Neil Sleightholm

If you run "slim.exe --d_plugins --d_parse --d_remotestream" from the
command line you should see a load of trace. Then once it is running
try to play Radio 2 and collect the output by copying from the window.

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-18 Thread jonathanbarber

Neil 

I can set up the correct CMD window and slimserver directory, how do I
then post the output for Radio 2. Sorry to be so ignorant!

J


-- 
jonathanbarber
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-18 Thread Neil Sleightholm

jonathanbarber Wrote: 
> Hi
> 
> I did infact try both fixes, changing the file through notepad and then
> reloading alienbbc (deleted two files covert & custom in Slimserver and
> plugin folder) extracted new Alien BBc within Slimserver 6.2. 
> 
> Both these brought the same result that Radio 2 plays introduction and
> then cuts to silent before going to time/date screensaver. Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> JCould you post a trace of the output when you play Radio 2. If you are
using AlienBBC 0.99 it shouldn't play the ident at all.

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-17 Thread jonathanbarber

Hi

I did infact try both fixes, changing the file through notepad and then
reloading alienbbc (deleted two files covert & custom in Slimserver and
plugin folder) extracted new Alien BBc within Slimserver 6.2. 

Both these brought the same result that Radio 2 plays introduction and
then cuts to silent before going to time/date screensaver. Any ideas?

Thanks

J


-- 
jonathanbarber
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-14 Thread Triode

Better still - try the new version of AlienBBC if you are using server version 
6.2:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=57539#post57539


Sorry - I know I'm a noob around here, but I think I fixed this problem
easily using Triode's advice in an earlier thread about AlienBBC and
Radio2 (search on Radio2).
Triode Wrote: 

2) for the radio2 live only playing the ident problem, edit
Plugins/Alien/RTSP.pm to set $multistream = 1. I.e replace:
"my $multistream;" with "my $multistream = 1;"

You can edit this file easily from Windoze Explorer by selecting Open,
and then choose Wordpad or Notepad from the list of possible
applications.  You don't need Perl.  Search for "Multistream" within
the document and you'll quickly find the appropriate bit to change.



___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-14 Thread MKS

jonathanbarber Wrote: 
> Firstly wanted to say a huge thank you for fixing this problem which has
> until now taken the shine off my Squuezebox.
> 
> I still have the problem on Radio 2 plays introduction and then
> silence. I can't edit perl, would this be fixed by downloading the
> latest night version of Squuzebox software?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> J
Sorry - I know I'm a noob around here, but I think I fixed this problem
easily using Triode's advice in an earlier thread about AlienBBC and
Radio2 (search on Radio2).
Triode Wrote: 
> 2) for the radio2 live only playing the ident problem, edit
> Plugins/Alien/RTSP.pm to set $multistream = 1. I.e replace:
> "my $multistream;" with "my $multistream = 1;"
You can edit this file easily from Windoze Explorer by selecting Open,
and then choose Wordpad or Notepad from the list of possible
applications.  You don't need Perl.  Search for "Multistream" within
the document and you'll quickly find the appropriate bit to change.

Oh - by the way, I'm absolutely amazed at what all of this software can
do (Squeezebox, Slimserver, Softsqueeze, AlienBBC, Slimscrobbler, LastFM
plugins etc.)  You're all amazingly lovely, talented, helpful people...
;-) I'm looking forward to watching less crap television and listening
to more good radio and music... (SB2 arrives within the next week...)


-- 
MKS
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-11 Thread Triode

No - it will with the next version of Alien though


I still have the problem on Radio 2 plays introduction and then
silence. I can't edit perl, would this be fixed by downloading the
latest night version of Squuzebox software?



___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-11 Thread jonathanbarber

Firstly wanted to say a huge thank you for fixing this problem which has
until now taken the shine off my Squuezebox.

I still have the problem on Radio 2 plays introduction and then
silence. I can't edit perl, would this be fixed by downloading the
latest night version of Squuzebox software?

Thanks

J


-- 
jonathanbarber
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-11 Thread bpa

Open a Windows C prompt windows. Change dir to the where Mplayer is
installed.  Try the following command.

mplayer -verbose 1 -vo null -cache 128 -af
volume=4:sc,resample=44100:0:1 -playlist
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/realplayer/media/fmg2.rpm

If it starts up and you hear audio then Mplayer is OK and the problem
lies with the Slimserver/SB not Mplayer.  You could try without the
"-verbose 1" flag on the first run as this will reduce messages.

If Mplayer does not play - look at the messages - it generate lots of
messages some of which indicate files/codecs not found some of these
are normal so don't jump to conclusions.  At worst post a copy of the
log.

Bryan


-- 
bpa
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-11 Thread neilcoburn

I'm still having trouble using Neil's fixed Mplayer in Windows. The SB
just freezes, usually showing 'connecting' on screen, sometimes getting
past that to 'now playing [programme]' but then freezing with no audio.
I then have to power cycle the Squeezebox.  I've tried rebooting after
updating mplayer, and tried downloading the zip file again and doing
the whole process again.  Any thoughts?


-- 
neilcoburn
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-10 Thread Neil Sleightholm

netim3 Wrote: 
> OK, as I said, I'm a real newbie.  Tell me if I'm headed in the right
> directionYou are in the right direction but I think you need to install a 
> lot of
other bits first. The instructions for Windows are:
http://www2.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/win32/contrib/MPlayer-MinGW-Howto.txt
if that helps. You may be able to find something similar for the Mac. It
took me a whole weekend to get it to compile!

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread netim3

OK, as I said, I'm a real newbie.  Tell me if I'm headed in the right
direction

I changed you ./configure options to enable for macos
I installed gcc 3.3 and make3.8 on the Mac
I downloaded the mplayer-1.0pre7try2 package and unpacked it.

I tried to run the ./configure but got the following error messages.
Any tips on how to proceed appreciated.

./configure   --prefix=/usr  --language=all  --disable-mencoder
--disable-jpeg  --disable-gif  --disable-tga  --disable-liblzo 
--disable-tv  --disable-dvb  --disable-vidix  --disable-sdl 
--disable-pnm  --disable-xvid  --disable-toolame  --disable-mad 
--disable-png  --disable-win32  --enable-md5sum  --enable-gl  
--disable-menu  --enable-macosx  --enable-live 
--with-livelibdir=/home/mplayer/live --enable-real  --enable-qtx 
--enable-static="-mconsole" --enable-runtime-cpudetection
--with-codecsdir=codecs
Detected operating system: Darwin
Detected host architecture: ppc
Checking for cc version ... 4.0.0, bad
Checking for gcc version ... 4.0.0, bad
Checking for gcc-3.4 version ... not found
Checking for gcc-3.3 version ... 3.3, ok
Checking for host cc ... gcc-3.3
Checking for CPU type ... 7450 altivec
Checking for GCC & CPU optimization abilities ... 7450
Checking for assembler support of -pipe option ... no
Checking for GCC altivec support ... none
Checking for mplayer binary name ... mplayer
Checking for extra headers ... none
Checking for extra libs ... none
Checking for -lposix ... no
Checking for -lm ... no
Checking for i18n ... no
Checking for iconv ... no
Checking for langinfo ... no
Checking for language ... using en (man pages:  cs de en es fr hu it pl
sv)
Checking for enable sighandler ... yes
Checking for runtime cpudetection ... no
Checking for restrict keyword ... none
Checking for __builtin_expect ... no
Checking for kstat ... no
Checking for posix4 ... no
Checking for lrintf ... no
Checking for nanosleep ... no
Checking for socklib ... no
Checking for inet_pton() ... no (=> i'll try inet_aton next)
Checking for inet_aton() ... no (=> network support disabled)
Checking for inttypes.h (required) ... no
Checking for bitypes.h (inttypes.h predecessor) ... 
Error: Cannot find header either inttypes.h or bitypes.h (see
DOCS/HTML/en/faq.html).

Check "configure.log" if you do not understand why it failed.


+---+
|Filename: configurelog.txt |
|Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=382|
+---+

-- 
netim3
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread Andrew L . Weekes

Thanks Neil for making the alpha release available, for someone like me,
who last compiled a program in 1980-something, it's a huge help ;)

It seems to be working a dream at present - I can't begin to tell you
how much I appreciate the efforts you and everyone else has put in to
getting this bug fixed.

Cheers,

Andy.


-- 
Andrew L. Weekes
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread Neil Sleightholm

netim3 Wrote: 
> I'm a bit of a newbie but am happy to try & compile a mac version. Can
> you send me the inputs & I'll have a go?It is not quite as simple as that. If 
> you refer to the mplayer site you
may be able to find the information on how to compile a Mac version.


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread netim3

I'm a bit of a newbie but am happy to try & compile a mac version. Can
you send me the inputs & I'll have a go?


-- 
netim3
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread Neil Sleightholm

lordypieman Wrote: 
> It plays only the introduction, and keeps repeating it. It is also
> played at (I'm guessing) double speed with gaps between each
> repetition.Re the double speed, see 
> http://www.x2systems.com/alienbbc/mplayer.html
"Known Problems".

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread Neil Sleightholm

maxwl Wrote: 
> However another related problem. I hope someone can help.
> With live radio 2 all I get is the following audio at the start..
> "You're listening to BBC Radio 2 live online at
> www.bbcradio.co.uk/radio2"
> 
> and then nothing. just silence.
> 
> The other BBC live stations seem fine.
> 
> Any ideas?This was happening with the previous version of mplayer but I 
> thought it
had been fixed in my version. I'll check again.

Incidently, we will be releasing a new version of AlienBCC that allows
you to skip this ident.

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread maxwl

Triode

That seems to have fixed it. Thanks for your help.
Radio 2 is back and no garbled sound (hopefully!).

maxwl


-- 
maxwl
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread Triode

Re Radio2.

Just to say we are aware of this and are working on a solution for the next version of Alien - it's due to the radio 2 metafile 
including two streams - the ident one and then the real stream. By default Alien only plays the first one.


For the moment, if you are happy editing perl files, try:

edit Plugins/Alien/RTSP.pm

change the line:
   my $multistream;

to:
   my $multistream = 1;


However another related problem. I hope someone can help.
With live radio 2 all I get is the following audio at the start..
"You're listening to BBC Radio 2 live online at
www.bbcradio.co.uk/radio2"



___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread Bill Burns

lordypieman wrote:


I have the same problem as Maxwl with Radio 2. It plays only the
introduction, and keeps repeating it. It is also played at (I'm
guessing) double speed with gaps between each repetition.


I had the same thing on some feeds; the double-speed fix for 
slimserver-convert.conf shown on Neil's page took care of it:

http://www.x2systems.com/alienbbc/mplayer.html

--
Bill Burns
Long Island   NY   USA
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread neilcoburn

It's now working for me, after a PC re-boot.


-- 
neilcoburn
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread lordypieman

I've replaced my MPlayer.exe with the alpha version from the link
provided here in the forum and the performance is (so far) faultless.
I'll run it for a few days and report back after a longer trial.

I have the same problem as Maxwl with Radio 2. It plays only the
introduction, and keeps repeating it. It is also played at (I'm
guessing) double speed with gaps between each repetition.
Radio Five Live plays at double speed too, which gaps every couple of
seconds. Radios 1,3,4,6,7 all work fine.

Anyone got a fix for th problem with radio 2 and 5? 

Lordypieman

Piii 833MHz, 256Mb RAM
Windows 2kSP4
SlimServer 6.2
AlienBBC 0.98


-- 
lordypieman
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread MrStan

This appears to have been added to the BBC Radio player recently as
well, but only for Radio 2.

The AlienBBC Plugin appears to be playing:-
rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio2/r2online_id.rm which now only gives the
announcement. 

It should be playing:-
rtsp://rmlivev8.bbc.net.uk/farm/*/ev7/live24/radio2/live/r2_dsat_g2.ra
as long as the BBC doesn't change it.


-- 
MrStan
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread trevtu

If you are having a problem getting the new mplayer to work try this:-

Stop Slimserver
rename your existing mplayer
extract the new mplayer to ?:\Program
Files\SlimServer\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
REBOOT your PC

Try a live stream.

This worked for me after a failed first attempt. I had been listening
to Alien BBC before installing the mplayer update and I think that in
that case the reboot ensures a clean start.

Trevor.


-- 
trevtu
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread maxwl

It appears to have worked for me, another clueless windows user. I have
had live radio 3 and radio 4 playing for about 1 hour each and they
seem ok. Obviously more testing will be useful.

However another related problem. I hope someone can help.
With live radio 2 all I get is the following audio at the start..
"You're listening to BBC Radio 2 live online at
www.bbcradio.co.uk/radio2"

and then nothing. just silence.

The other BBC live stations seem fine.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance
Max
Ireland


-- 
maxwl
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-09 Thread neilcoburn

It doesn't work for me - it just locks up the Squeezebox and I have to
do a power cycle to get it running again.


-- 
neilcoburn
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-08 Thread Mike Anderson

It's still happening (in fact it kicked in sooner than usual, after
abour 3-4 minutes).

Other than putting the new mplayer.exe in the proper slimserver
directory and restarting slimserver, is there something else I have to
do?


-- 
Mike Anderson
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-08 Thread Mike Anderson

excellent, thanks - I'll run it for a while and let you know how it
works.


-- 
Mike Anderson
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-08 Thread Neil Sleightholm

I have made may Windows release avaiable for download, see:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=56344#post56344

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-07 Thread Mike Anderson

I too am a clueless Windows user looking for a compiled and patched
version.  If anyone could email it to me or post a link, that would be
much appreciated.

Thanks,
Mike
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-- 
Mike Anderson
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-07 Thread Neil Sleightholm

This has just been pointed out to me:> 
http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mplayer-binary.html
> E.2. Binary distribution
> MPlayer previously contained source from the OpenDivX project, which
> disallows binary redistribution. This code has been removed in version
> 0.90-pre1 and the remaining file divx_vbr.c that is derived from
> OpenDivX sources has been put under the GPL by its authors as of
> version 0.90pre9. You are now welcome to create binary packages as you
> see fit. 
> 
> Another impediment to binary redistribution was compiletime
> optimizations for CPU architecture. MPlayer now supports runtime CPU
> detection (pass the --enable-runtime-cpudetection to configure). It is
> disabled by default because it implies a small speed sacrifice, but it
> is now possible to create binaries that run on different members of the
> Intel compatible CPU family.So, as I read that there is not a problem with 
> redistributing my compile
of mplayer. Does anyone else read this in the same way?

I will try to release the Windows version in the next few days, if some
else can compile for Unix and the Mac I will add that to the AlienBBC
site. I should point out that this will be an 'alpha' only and I will
not support it.

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-04 Thread Neil Sleightholm

Neil Sleightholm Wrote: 
> Here is a new version of the mplayer patch for anyone that is interestedI 
> would be interested in anyone else's results with this new patch. It
worked for me for most of the day for me but then started going wrong.

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-04 Thread Neil Sleightholm

gingerneil Wrote: 
> any chance you could post the binary ?I am looking in to the possibility of 
> this but when it was investigated
before there were copyright issues.

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-04 Thread gingerneil

any chance you could post the binary ?


-- 
gingerneil
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-04 Thread Neil Sleightholm

Here is a new version of the mplayer patch for anyone that is
interested:

Code:

Index: demux_real.c
  ===
  RCS file: /cvsroot/mplayer/main/libmpdemux/demux_real.c,v
  retrieving revision 1.72
  diff -u -r1.72 demux_real.c
  --- demux_real.c5 Aug 2005 19:57:46 -   1.72
  +++ demux_real.c3 Oct 2005 06:59:31 -
  @@ -92,6 +92,13 @@
  int a_bitrate; ///< Audio bitrate
  int v_bitrate; ///< Video bitrate
  int stream_switch; ///< Flag used to switch audio/video demuxing
  +
  +/*  Variables to fix missing buffer in stream audio */
  +int live_stream;// Flag to indicate that it is a suitable 
live audio only stream
  +int ms_per_packet;  // estimated millisec per packet 
  +int ms_per_block;   // estimated millisec per block which is a 
multiple of packets defined by stream parameters
  +int ms_per_packet_safety;  //  estimated millisec per packet with a 
margin 
  +char *previous_pkt,*previous_pkt2; // Copy of previous packet
  } real_priv_t;
  
  /* originally from FFmpeg */
  @@ -687,6 +694,41 @@
  priv->audio_need_keyframe = 0;
  }else 
  dp->pts = (priv->a_pts==timestamp) ? 0 : (timestamp/1000.0f);
  +/*
  + *Only use this method of packet loss detection & fix for live 
audio streams of cook V5 decoder - typically from BBC live streams  
  + */
  +if ( (priv->live_stream == 1) && (((sh_audio_t *)ds->sh)->format 
== mmioFOURCC('c','o','o','k')) ){ 
  +demux_packet_t *dp1;
  +int toggle =0;
  +
  +   if (((timestamp - priv->a_pts) > priv->ms_per_packet_safety) 
&& ((timestamp - priv->a_pts) < priv->ms_per_block))
  + mp_msg(MSGT_DEMUX,MSGL_V, "Packets lost: timestamp gap  
Actual %d msec Expected %d Flags %02X\n", timestamp-priv->a_pts, 
priv->ms_per_packet,dp->flags);
  +   if ((timestamp - priv->a_pts) < (priv->ms_per_packet-2))   // 
This is a diagnostic msg - allow a margin of 2 based on observations of streams 
to reduce "noise"
  + mp_msg(MSGT_DEMUX,MSGL_V, "Packet timestamp gap too 
short  Actual %d msec Expected %d Flags %02X\n", timestamp-priv->a_pts, 
priv->ms_per_packet,dp->flags);
  +
  +/*  Detected some packets dropped by server by gap in the 
timestamp.  This loops fills in the missing packets with copies of previous 
packets 
  + *  as an empty buffer would be heard as a click. Packets are 
striped but also alternate - so previous packet is not the packet closest in 
time.
  + */
  +if ((timestamp - priv->a_pts) < priv->ms_per_block)  
  // Only insert buffer if it is not a whole block missing 
  + while( ((timestamp - priv->a_pts) > 
priv->ms_per_packet_safety) ) {
  +   dp1 = new_demux_packet(len);
  +   if (toggle == 1) {   // This 
chooses which previous packet to pick that is closest in time to the missing 
packet
  + memcpy(dp1->buffer,priv->previous_pkt,len);
  + toggle = 0;
  +   }
  +   else {   // When 
there is more than one missing packet toggle chooses which previous packet is 
most suitable.
  + memcpy(dp1->buffer,priv->previous_pkt2,len);
  + toggle = 1;
  +  }
  +  priv->a_pts=priv->a_pts + priv->ms_per_packet;
  +  dp1->pos = demuxer->filepos;
  +  dp1->flags = 0;
  +  ds_add_packet(ds, dp1);
  + }
  +memcpy(priv->previous_pkt2,priv->previous_pkt,len);  // Ensure 
that the last two good packets are kept to use to replace missing packets
  +memcpy(priv->previous_pkt,dp->buffer,len);
  + }
  +
  priv->a_pts=timestamp;
  dp->pos = demuxer->filepos;
  dp->flags = (flags & 0x2) ? 0x10 : 0;
  @@ -1358,6 +1400,28 @@
  ((short*)(sh->wf+1))[4]=codecdata_length;
  // stream_read(demuxer->stream, 
((char*)(sh->wf+1))+6, 24); // extras
  stream_read(demuxer->stream, ((char*)(sh->wf+1))+10, codecdata_length); // 
extras
  +/*
  + *  Initialise variables used for packet loss detection 
in live audio streams using cook V5
  + *   Although in case "cook" Test for cook format 
because 'sipr' & 'atrc' fall through into cook  
  + */
  +   if ( (sh->format == MKTAG('c', 'o', 'o', 'k')) && 
(version == 5) && strstr(mimet,"x-pn-multirate-realaudio-live")) {
  + priv->live_stream = 1; 
  +priv->ms_per_packet = (long) ( 
(coded_frame_size*8*1000L)/(sh->wf->nAvgBytesPerSec)); // Variable name 
nAvgBitsPerSec would be more appropriate
  + 

[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-03 Thread Neil Sleightholm

tygar Wrote: 
> It would be great if the AlienBBC web page could be updated with this
> information!Done. I have included a link back to this thread and will update 
> the
information when I know more.

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-02 Thread tygar

It would be great if the AlienBBC web page could be updated with this
information!  (Thanks in advance)


-- 
tygar
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-01 Thread markcaines

Dan - I'm in the same position - everything works apart the live
streams.  Guess I'll have to be patient.

Mark


-- 
markcaines
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-10-01 Thread Daniel Cohen

On 30/9/05 at 05:31 -0700, markcaines wrote

...and if anyone has got it working for Mac OS X, I would also really
appreciate some more guidance.

Mark


can't help with listen luve, but it works fine with listen again. 
browse the threads if you nrrf info


--
Daniel Cohen
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-30 Thread Neil Sleightholm

For Windows keep an eye on this site
http://oss.netfarm.it/mplayer-win32.php. He regularly posts new Windows
versions for the CVS source. I have been told that this patch will be
included in CVS this weekend.

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-30 Thread markcaines

...and if anyone has got it working for Mac OS X, I would also really
appreciate some more guidance.

Mark


-- 
markcaines
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-30 Thread lordypieman

I to am a Windows (2kSP4) Slimserver/Squeezebox user with the same
AlienBBC problem and looking for the same solution. I'm also not sure
I'm up to recompiling from the C sourcecode.

If anyone gets a Windows version compiled could they post a link to it
here for us to road-test and report back?

Cheers,
Martin.

Win 2k SP4
Slim v6.2
AlienBBC
Squeezebox


-- 
lordypieman
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-30 Thread jonathanbarber

Installed AlienBBC (with some difficulty!) a couple of months back and
love it but gutted that I can't listen to the live feeds. Unfortunately
this patch looks a bit complicated for me to enact in my windows set up.
Hopefully a simpler solution will not be long


Thanks for everyone's help on this

J


-- 
jonathanbarber
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-29 Thread Neil Sleightholm

If anyone wants to apply this patch I would recommend doing it to the
1.0pre7 version rather than the latest one in CVS. With the latest one
I found that mono streams played and double speed unless I used the
"-af channel=2" option and also that streams wouldn't end they just
kept repeating the last few seconds.

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-29 Thread David Brittain

Change directory to libmpdemux/
Save the patch file attached to my message above to this directory
run 'patch < mplayer_patch.diff'
change to the root mplayer directory and rebuild

Dave

mcknej01 wrote:

Is there a "Dummy's" guide to applying this fix.  I'm running FC3 Linux,
have downloaded the latest mplayer cvs, but am completely lost in
applying the fix.

Do I just cut and paste the changes (e.g. overwrite the entire)
debian_real.c file, or should it be inserted somewhere?

If this fix works I'm sure that there will be MANY happy BBC /
Squeezebox listeners (including my wife).  


Thanks for getting the problem resolved this far.


  


___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-29 Thread mcknej01

Is there a "Dummy's" guide to applying this fix.  I'm running FC3 Linux,
have downloaded the latest mplayer cvs, but am completely lost in
applying the fix.

Do I just cut and paste the changes (e.g. overwrite the entire)
debian_real.c file, or should it be inserted somewhere?

If this fix works I'm sure that there will be MANY happy BBC /
Squeezebox listeners (including my wife).  

Thanks for getting the problem resolved this far.


-- 
mcknej01
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-28 Thread David Brittain

Sorry, I'm running Linux.

From what I know building for Windows is not simple:

http://mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/win32/contrib/MPlayer-MinGW-Howto.txt

Dave

cbemoore wrote:

I'm not sure how to go about compiling from CVS. Can anyone give me some
basic instructions, or send me a precompiled Windows executable?

It looks like the MPlayer Windows executables are only produced every
few months, so we could be waiting a while before we can download it
from the MPlayer website?

Cheers
Chris


  


___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-28 Thread cbemoore

I'm not sure how to go about compiling from CVS. Can anyone give me some
basic instructions, or send me a precompiled Windows executable?

It looks like the MPlayer Windows executables are only produced every
few months, so we could be waiting a while before we can download it
from the MPlayer website?

Cheers
Chris


-- 
cbemoore
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-28 Thread David Brittain

Thanks also from me. It worked for me too.

Attached is a patch against the latest mplayer CVS, this should apply 
more cleanly.


Dave

Patrick Dixon wrote:
bglad Wrote: 
  

great news neil, thanks for pushing this


Thanks from me too.


  


Index: demux_real.c
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/mplayer/main/libmpdemux/demux_real.c,v
retrieving revision 1.73
diff -u -r1.73 demux_real.c
--- demux_real.c2 Sep 2005 08:32:32 -   1.73
+++ demux_real.c28 Sep 2005 07:17:10 -
@@ -92,6 +92,13 @@
 int a_bitrate; ///< Audio bitrate
 int v_bitrate; ///< Video bitrate
 int stream_switch; ///< Flag used to switch audio/video demuxing
+/**/
+/*  Variables to fix missing buffer in stream audio */
+int live_stream;// Flag to indicate that it is a live audio 
only stream
+int ms_per_packet;  // millisec per pack - used to detect if a 
packet is missed
+int ms_per_block;   // millsec per block (usually made up 16 
packets)
+int ms_per_packet_safety;  //  Since timing is not precise - a safety 
margin is needed - guess about 20% of packet time. 
+//
 } real_priv_t;
 
 /* originally from FFmpeg */
@@ -687,6 +694,25 @@
priv->audio_need_keyframe = 0;
}else 
dp->pts = (priv->a_pts==timestamp) ? 0 : (timestamp/1000.0f);
+// 
+   if ( (priv->live_stream == 1) && (((sh_audio_t*)ds->sh)->format == 
mmioFOURCC('c','o','o','k')) ){
+   // Not sure if missingpacket happen the same way for other 
formats
+   demux_packet_t *dp1;
+   if (((timestamp - priv->a_pts) > 
priv->ms_per_packet_safety)&& ((timestamp - priv->a_pts) < priv->ms_per_block))
+   mp_msg(MSGT_DEMUX,MSGL_V, "Packet timestamp gap 
Actual %7d msec Expected %7d Flags %02X\n", 
timestamp-priv->a_pts,priv->ms_per_packet,dp->flags);
+   if (((timestamp - priv->a_pts) < priv->ms_per_packet))
+   mp_msg(MSGT_DEMUX,MSGL_V, "Packet timestamp gap too 
short  Actual %7d msec Expected %7d Flags %02X\n", 
timestamp-priv->a_pts,priv->ms_per_packet,dp->flags);
+
+   while( ((timestamp - priv->a_pts) > 
priv->ms_per_packet_safety) && (timestamp - priv->a_pts) < priv->ms_per_block) {
+   dp1 = new_demux_packet(len);
+   memcpy(dp1->buffer,dp->buffer,len);
+   priv->a_pts=priv->a_pts + priv->ms_per_packet;
+   dp1->pos = demuxer->filepos;
+   dp1->flags = 0;
+   ds_add_packet(ds, dp1);
+   }
+   }
+//
priv->a_pts=timestamp;
dp->pos = demuxer->filepos;
dp->flags = (flags & 0x2) ? 0x10 : 0;
@@ -1130,6 +1156,12 @@
 
if (!strncmp(mimet,"audio/",6)) {
  if (strstr(mimet,"x-pn-realaudio") || 
strstr(mimet,"x-pn-multirate-realaudio")) {
+//
+if (strstr(mimet,"x-pn-multirate-realaudio-live" )) {
+  priv->live_stream = 1;
+} else
+  priv->live_stream = 0;
+/***/ 
// skip unknown shit - FIXME: find a better/cleaner way!
len=codec_data_size;
tmp = stream_read_dword(demuxer->stream);
@@ -1358,6 +1390,16 @@
((short*)(sh->wf+1))[4]=codecdata_length;
 // stream_read(demuxer->stream, ((char*)(sh->wf+1))+6, 
24); // extras
stream_read(demuxer->stream, 
((char*)(sh->wf+1))+10, codecdata_length); // extras
+//
+   priv->ms_per_packet = (long) 
((coded_frame_size*8*1000L)/(sh->wf->nAvgBytesPerSec)); // I think variable 
should be avgbits/sec
+   priv->ms_per_packet_safety = priv->ms_per_packet + 
(priv->ms_per_packet/5) ; // Add 20% for the safety margin
+   priv->ms_per_block = priv->ms_per_packet * 
sub_packet_h;
+   priv->ms_per_packet--;  // Empircally - round down 
to suit observed actual gaps
+   if (priv->live_stream == 1){
+   mp_msg(MSGT_DEMUX,MSGL_V,"Live stream: 
Subpacksize %d sub packet h %d  Flavour %d coded frame size %d codecdatalength 
%d avg byte/sec %d channels 
%d\n",sub_packet_size,sub_packet_h,flavor,coded_frame_size,codecdata_length, 
sh->wf->nAvgBytesPerSec, sh->channels);
+   mp_msg(MSGT_DEMUX,MSGL_V,"Live 
stream: Expected range ms/packet %d to %d ms per block 
%d\n",priv->ms_per_packet,priv->ms_per_pa

[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-27 Thread Patrick Dixon

bglad Wrote: 
> great news neil, thanks for pushing this
Thanks from me too.


-- 
Patrick Dixon

www.at-view.co.uk
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-27 Thread bglad

great news neil, thanks for pushing this


-- 
bglad
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-27 Thread Neil Sleightholm

Good news. A fix for this was posted to the mplayer list today. I have
compiled a Windows version and have been using it today without any
problems. We will have to wait for an official mplayer release but if
you want to compile it yourself here is the change.
Bryan Alton Wrote: 
> I think have a fix for this problem.  I have tested it with all the BBC
> live real streams and it seems to work.  I haven't tested to see if it
> interferes with other Real streams.  A few times Mplayer has stopped, I
> don't know if this is as a result of my fix or just the network.  My
> tests were run on SuSe 9.3 and I will be building a Windows version as
> soon as I setup a compile environment.
> 
> The messages in the fix will be gewnerated with -v 1 so that you can
> see if packet loss was detected.  I fill in the gaps with the previous
> packet which result in a short burst of choppy audio.  If you get a
> burst of errors, then you will hear a longer burst of choppy audio but
> the stream usually settles down.  I can live with this but I can
> suggest a better solution if somebody wants to do the work. 
> 
> My changes are to one file libmpdemux/demux_real.c.  A diff file is
> included below.  I made the changed to a recent release but
> demux_real.c hasn't changed much in months so the changes will work
> back to other versions.
> 
> The cut & paste may have messed some lines but I hope you use it.
> 
> 
> > 
Code:

  >   > 
  > *** demux_real.c2005-09-26 15:53:26.0 +0100
  > --- demux_real.c.orig   2005-09-25 23:47:44.0 +0100
  > *** typedef struct {
  > *** 92,105 
  > int a_bitrate; ///< Audio bitrate
  > int v_bitrate; ///< Video bitrate
  > int stream_switch; ///< Flag used to switch audio/video demuxing
  > - 
  > - /*  Variables to fix missing buffer in stream audio */
  > - int live_stream;// Flag to indicate that it is a live 
audio only stream
  > - int ms_per_packet;  // millisec per pack - used to detect if 
a packet is missed
  > - int ms_per_block;   // millsec per block (usually made up 16 
packets)
  > - int ms_per_packet_safety;  //  Since timing is not precise - a safety 
margin is needed - guess about 20% of packet time.
  > -
  > -
  > } real_priv_t;
  > 
  > /* originally from FFmpeg */
  > --- 92,97 
  > *** got_audio:
  > *** 695,721 
  > priv->audio_need_keyframe = 0;
  > }else 
  > dp->pts = (priv->a_pts==timestamp) ? 0 : (timestamp/1000.0f);
  > - /*/
  > - 
  > - if ( (priv->live_stream == 1) && 
(((sh_audio_t*)ds->sh)->format == mmioFOURCC('c','o','o','k')) ){ // Not sure 
if missingpacket happen the same way for other formats
  > - 
  > - demux_packet_t *dp1;
  > -   if (((timestamp - priv->a_pts) > 
priv->ms_per_packet_safety)&& ((timestamp - priv->a_pts) < priv->ms_per_block))
  > -  mp_msg(MSGT_DEMUX,MSGL_V, "Packet timestamp gap 
Actual %7d msec Expected %7d Flags %02X\n", 
timestamp-priv->a_pts,priv->ms_per_packet,dp->flags);
  > -   if (((timestamp - priv->a_pts) < priv->ms_per_packet))
  > -  mp_msg(MSGT_DEMUX,MSGL_V, "Packet timestamp gap too 
short  Actual %7d msec Expected %7d Flags %02X\n", 
timestamp-priv->a_pts,priv->ms_per_packet,dp->flags);
  > - 
  > - while( ((timestamp - priv->a_pts) > 
priv->ms_per_packet_safety) && (timestamp - priv->a_pts) < priv->ms_per_block) {
  > -dp1 = new_demux_packet(len);
  > -memcpy(dp1->buffer,dp->buffer,len);
  > -  priv->a_pts=priv->a_pts + priv->ms_per_packet;
  > -  dp1->pos = demuxer->filepos;
  > -  dp1->flags = 0;
  > -  ds_add_packet(ds, dp1);
  > - }
  > -  }
  > - /**/
  > - 
  > priv->a_pts=timestamp;
  > dp->pos = demuxer->filepos;
  > dp->flags = (flags & 0x2) ? 0x10 : 0;
  > --- 687,692 
  > *** static demuxer_t* demux_open_real(demuxe
  > *** 1158,1169 
  > 
  > if (!strncmp(mimet,"audio/",6)) {
  > if (strstr(mimet,"x-pn-realaudio") || 
strstr(mimet,"x-pn-multirate-realaudio")) {
  > - 
  > - if (strstr(mimet,"x-pn-multirate-realaudio-live" )) {
  > -   priv->live_stream = 1;
  > - } else
  > -   priv->live_stream = 0;
  > - 
  > // skip unknown shit - FIXME: find a better/cleaner way!
  > len=codec_data_size;
  > tmp = stream_read_dword(demuxer->stream);
  > --- 1130,1135 
  > *** static demuxer_t* demux_open_real(demuxe
  > *** 1392,1406 
  > ((short*)(sh->wf+1))[4]=codecdata_length;
  > //stream_read(demuxer->stream, 
((char*)(sh->wf+1))+6, 24); // extras
  > stream_read(demuxer->stream, ((char*)(sh->wf+1))+10, codecdata_length); // 
extras
  > - 

[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-23 Thread Patrick Dixon

Sounds promising!


-- 
Patrick Dixon

www.at-view.co.uk
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-23 Thread Neil Sleightholm

Another update:

Tom Playford Wrote: 
> I've had a look at the ethereal output and I agree, it seems to be the
> BBC servers dropping the odd packet. I hear that the BBC have one the
> biggest RealServer farms going, so maybe it's not surprising we havn't
> seen it from other servers.
> 
> If there's anything I can do to help (testing, coding (never touched
> mplayer) etc), let me know.


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-22 Thread Neil Sleightholm

The following quote is from the mplayer list, hopefully we might get a
solution to this problem soon.
Bryan Alton Wrote: 
> I think I know what is causing the garbled audio problem.  The realaudio
> server is dropping packets but only indicates it by jumps in the Data
> packet timestamps and  setting the KeyFrame bit in the Flags. If you
> look at the timestamps of the Real data Packet Headers (using ethereal)
> you will see that whereas normally the delat is aout 116 - occassionally
> there are deltas of about 232 or 348. At the same time, the keyframe
> flag which is normally set once every 32 packet, is set at the right
> point to restart the striping. The striping mechanism is explained in a
> doc in the Mplayer directory.
> 
> The Realaudio stream has the audio striped across multiple packets and
> so if Mplayer doesn't detect the missing packets it starts putting the
> audio stream back toegther in the wrng order. 
> 
> As implemented RTS just takes each packet and  buffers the data and
> ignore the timestamp and key frame data.  What needs to be done is when
> a gap is detected, some packets needs to be inserted to make up the
> loss.
> 
> I am trying to code up a solution but I think I am on the right track.


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-14 Thread bilko2

I have the same problem.
The "choppy" output sounds like it's all there but it's being broken up
into ~0.3 sec chunks which then come out in the wrong order.


-- 
bilko2
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-14 Thread Olaf
Neil Sleightholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> 
> Olaf Wrote: 
> > Neil, could you leave URL to thread in mplayer community?Olaf, if you 
check back through this thread you
> should see a link. Neil
> 


Apols, Neil, for duplicate entry but for reasons I do not understand GMANE 
took 4 (!) days over posting the original message.  I thought it had been lost 
in transit and reposted...

___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-13 Thread Neil Sleightholm

Dan Goodinson Wrote: 
> Can you describe the sound you get, as I occasionally get something with
> might be similar.Dan, your description sounds like the same problem - I think 
> it sounds
like 2 streams running slightly out of sync. I find it only happens on
the live streams. 

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-13 Thread Neil Sleightholm

Olaf Wrote: 
> Neil, could you leave URL to thread in mplayer community?Olaf, if you check 
> back through this thread you should see a link. Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


RE: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-12 Thread Dan Goodinson
I can't find any earlier emails in this thread :(  Can you describe the
sound you get, as I occasionally get something with might be similar.

For me, I quite often get something that sounds a bit like SB (or SS)
has gone "out of sync" with the radio.  It's almost like I'm getting 2
streams at once, and they are out of sync by around a second.  If I
power off SB with the remote then power it back, the problem goes away.
It can happen after as little as 2 minutes, but tends to happen after
I've been listening for a couple of hours.

SS runs on Win2k Pro, Celeron 1.4GHz, 512MB.  The 'system' harddrive
where SS is installed has around 12GB free space.  I'm using SS 6.0.x
and SB1 firmware rev39.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Olaf
Sent: 13 September 2005 07:21
To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
Subject: Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound


Neil Sleightholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have reported on the mplayer developers forum and someone appears to

> have had some sucess reproducing it but still no fix yet.

Neil, could you leave URL to thread in mplayer community?  I am a little

frustrated that I still cannot listen to the BBC.  Thanks.






___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-12 Thread Olaf
Neil Sleightholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have reported on the mplayer developers forum and someone appears to
> have had some sucess reproducing it but still no fix yet.

Neil, could you leave URL to thread in mplayer community?  I am a little 
frustrated that I still cannot listen to the BBC.  Thanks.






___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-08 Thread Neil Sleightholm

Here you go http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.mplayer.user/37755


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-09-08 Thread Olaf
Neil Sleightholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have reported on the mplayer developers forum and someone appears to
> have had some sucess reproducing it but still no fix yet.

Neil, could you post link to the thread in the mplayer forum?  I am more than 
a little hacked off that I still cannot listen to the BBC.  Thanks - ovr.




___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-08-28 Thread Scooter

JJP Wrote: 
> 
> It's annoying (makes me angry!) that the BBC still insists on using
> realplayer for audio when they do appear to have adopted a windows
> media format for some video.  I pay my licence fee for them to force me
> to install some bloated spyware realplayer trash.
> /rant
> 

I agree.  The BBC have recently started trialing the same idea with
video - with "The Mighty Boosh".  However, I can't get it to work, and
the reason, as I put in my feedback form to them is the 3 letters of
media playback doom - R, A and M.  The self styled "Real" media player
is nothing but an advertising platform, that almost never works
properly or reliably.

It occurs to me that they may have chosen this format to prevent the
stream being saved.  This is, in my opinion, at best misguided, and
probably a little bit stupid, as the BBC *broadcast* this content free
to air in digital form.  I can save all the video and audio I want by
plucking the stream "out of the air" with a digital TV card.  In a far
superior format too - episodes of Top Gear for example, in the original
digital broadcast format are 1.7GB!

I reaslise they have to protect their markets overseas, but Realplayer
is not the answer.  I would have thought the potential revenues for
distributing shows over the 'net would justify some R&D into their own
solution.

Anyway - that's my rant for the day :p  I can confirm the exact same
smyptoms - almost like the individual chunks are beingplayed in
reverse.  Works fine on the archived audio.


-- 
Scooter
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-08-04 Thread Neil Sleightholm

I have reported on the mplayer developers forum and someone appears to
have had some sucess reproducing it but still no fix yet.

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


Re: [slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-08-04 Thread Olaf
Neil Sleightholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am looking into trying to debug this but at present I'm not getting
> much help from the mplayer community.

Neil, have you had any success in debugging this problem?




___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


[slim] Re: Alien BBC Garbled Sound

2005-07-24 Thread Neil Sleightholm

Mark, thanks for confirming this. I think (but I'm only guessing) that
the primary bit rate is what is displayed but realaudio support
dynamically changing the rate on the fly.

I am looking into trying to debug this but at present I'm not getting
much help from the mplayer community.

Neil


-- 
Neil Sleightholm
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss


  1   2   >