[slim] Re: Attention Slim Devices: Apple/iTunes store DRM question...
ceejay Wrote: Once you've suffered the double indignity of being sent music which is lossy AND DRM'ed... Ceejay LOL - I don't think I could have said it any better myself. ;-) -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20067 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Attention Slim Devices: Apple/iTunes store DRM question...
On 16 Jan 2006, at 06:06 , EnochLight wrote: pfarrell Wrote: Decompressing it does not recover the lost signal. Its gone forever. I am aware of that; I'm not saying that files like that are lossless to begin with. However, ripping them to CD doesn't degrade their sound quality from the original lossy file any further, as ripping them back to a wav wouldn't either. All a file is on an audio cd is a wav file, with a bit of encryption. When you rip songs purchased through iTunes to a CD, it rips them to a wav. I was proposing keeping them as such to get rid of the DRM stuff attached to them. One other point to consider Burning to CD and then ripping a file from iTunes will remove the DRM, and you won't suffer an additional quality loss if you use a lossless format. But remember, you will have the quality of a 128 kbps (or whatever) lossy file with the file size of a non-lossy file. May not be a big deal in this era of cheap drives, and if you only have a few tracks in this situation, but it will add up if you have a lot of tracks from the ITMS. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Attention Slim Devices: Apple/iTunes store DRM question...
EnochLight Wrote: Is there any possibility that we will see the ability to playback songs purchased through iTunes on our Squeezebox's? well there's 2 possibilities : 1) apple licenses fairplay to slimdevices 2) slimdevices introduces som kind of hack that removes fairplay we can always hope for number 1, but it'll probably take some kind of anti-trust court order for that to ever happen... i'm pretty sure we'll never see number 2. EnochLight Wrote: It seems like it should be so simple: why can't a squeezebox be considered one of the 5 computers that you can authorize to playback iTunes-store purchased music? That seems like it would be the easiest route anyway... see number 1 above - it's not a computer that gets authorized, it's a computer with itunes insatalled. :water -- water http://wa.terhou.se - 'http://werock.org' (http://www.werock.org) - 'http://nunmusic.com' (http://www.nunmusic.com) - 'my last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/torandwat/) water's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=119 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20067 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Attention Slim Devices: Apple/iTunes store DRM question...
water Wrote: see number 1 above - it's not a computer that gets authorized, it's a computer with itunes insatalled. :water A - I didn't realize that, but now it makes sense. That's tragic, as I also never see option 1 ever happening (and would hope that we wouldn't have to resort to option 2 - although I am not venomently opposed to it if it gives me the ability to play my purchased music on my Squeezebox)! Anyway, thanks for the reply. I hereby now boycott iTunes-store purchases, even if it is a great convenience to an iPod owner such as myself. The ability to keep it served on my media server and play it through my Squeezebox takes presidence over that. -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20067 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Attention Slim Devices: Apple/iTunes store DRM question...
On 15 Jan 2006, at 18:08 , EnochLight wrote: water Wrote: see number 1 above - it's not a computer that gets authorized, it's a computer with itunes insatalled. :water A - I didn't realize that, but now it makes sense. That's tragic, as I also never see option 1 ever happening (and would hope that we wouldn't have to resort to option 2 - although I am not venomently opposed to it if it gives me the ability to play my purchased music on my Squeezebox)! Anyway, thanks for the reply. I hereby now boycott iTunes-store purchases, even if it is a great convenience to an iPod owner such as myself. The ability to keep it served on my media server and play it through my Squeezebox takes presidence over that. Take a look at: http://hymn-project.org/ Or, you can always burn you iTunes purchased music to CD and then re- rip the CD to a non-DRMed format. Yes, there is a quality loss, so you will have to choose the lesser of two evils. Try it, if the quality is not acceptable, just keep the DRMed copies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Attention Slim Devices: Apple/iTunes store DRM question...
allanimal Wrote: Or, you can always burn you iTunes purchased music to CD and then re-rip the CD to a non-DRMed format. Yes, there is a quality loss, so you will have to choose the lesser of two evils. Try it, if the quality is not acceptable, just keep the DRMed copies. If I burn my iTunes purchased music to a CD, there should be no loss of quality since it's being decompressed into an encoded wav. Afterwards, if I re-rip them into wav or a lossless codec such as FLAC or Apple Lossless, there should be no perceptible loss in audio quality. Does this sound correct? -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20067 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Attention Slim Devices: Apple/iTunes store DRM question...
EnochLight wrote: If I burn my iTunes purchased music to a CD, there should be no loss of quality since it's being decompressed into an encoded wav. Afterwards, if I re-rip them into wav or a lossless codec such as FLAC or Apple Lossless, there should be no perceptible loss in audio quality. Does this sound correct? Decompressing it does not recover the lost signal. Its gone forever. If you later compress them with a lossless system, you aren't hurting them further. But you still don't have what the artist and engineer labored to put there. If you recompress with another lossy system, say Ogg or Wma, then you are likely to make it significantly worse as each algorithm has its own biases. Whether this is important depends. For casual listening, its probably fine. But no audiophile would consider it equivalent. Lossy compression throws away stuff. No such think as a free lunch and all that. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Attention Slim Devices: Apple/iTunes store DRM question...
pfarrell Wrote: Decompressing it does not recover the lost signal. Its gone forever. I am aware of that; I'm not saying that files like that are lossless to begin with. However, ripping them to CD doesn't degrade their sound quality from the original lossy file any further, as ripping them back to a wav wouldn't either. All a file is on an audio cd is a wav file, with a bit of encryption. When you rip songs purchased through iTunes to a CD, it rips them to a wav. I was proposing keeping them as such to get rid of the DRM stuff attached to them. -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20067 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Attention Slim Devices: Apple/iTunes store DRM question...
On 16 Jan 2006, at 06:06 , EnochLight wrote: to a wav wouldn't either. All a file is on an audio cd is a wav file, with a bit of encryption. When you rip songs purchased through iTunes to a CD, it rips them to a wav. I was proposing keeping them as such Audio CDs do not have files. Windows and OS X (and maybe other OSes) make it look like they do, but they really don't have individual files on them. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Attention Slim Devices: Apple/iTunes store DRM question...
EnochLight Wrote: I am aware of that; I'm not saying that files like that are lossless to begin with. However, ripping them to CD doesn't degrade their sound quality from the original lossy file any further, as ripping them back to a wav wouldn't either. All a file is on an audio cd is a wav file, with a bit of encryption. When you rip songs purchased through iTunes to a CD, it rips them to a wav. I was proposing keeping them as such to get rid of the DRM stuff attached to them. Hi, yes of course you are right (I think a couple of other posters may be misunderstanding you). Once you've suffered the double indignity of being sent music which is lossy AND DRM'ed, you can convert as much as you like using lossless converters (WAV, FLAC, whatever) without losing any more bits. Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20067 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
