[slim] Re: Squeezenetwork access via Slimserver
giwatani Wrote: > Is there anyway to add Squeezenetwork to the Radio settings within > Slimserver? It seems control over the SB via Squeezenetwork removes > player control from the Slimserver (and vice versa). It would be > great if SqueezeNetwork were accessible via Slimserver. Does anyone > know if this is possible? > > Thanks in advance. > > G Assuming that what you want is to be able to control the selection of your favorite radio stations directly from the Slimserver (in the same manner as you select your favorite tracks) you can bypass the SqueezeNetwork altogether and simply create a favorite stations .m3u file and place it in your playlist directory. If that's your object I can email you my .m3u file and you can easily edit that to add your favorite stations... CVJ -- cvj cvj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Squeezenetwork/Firmware 33 issue
Jungle Wrote: > Upgraded to latest nightlies earlier today and to FW35 but the problem > still persists. > > Any further suggestions to solve the issue would be gratefully > received. Having looked through other posts, I have managed to get this issue resolved. All it took was to manually enter IP details for my two SBs - they seemed to need direct addresses for DNS servers rather than taking the details from my netgear router. Once I'd changed that, everything worked OK. Quite why this was required, I can't say - there didn't seem to be a problem with address resolution from any other device on the network - but at least I'm now happily back on SqueezeNetwork. -- Jungle They say that laughter is the best medicine but, if you're an asthmatic, ventolin is probably a better bet. Jungle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1998 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21339 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Squeezenetwork/Firmware 33 issue
seanadams Wrote: > This may be related to Squeenetwork's IP address changing, although if > your router is giving Squeebox a valid DNS server, that shouldn't > matter. > > Please try FW35 which will be in the next nightly. Upgraded to latest nightlies earlier today and to FW35 but the problem still persists. Any further suggestions to solve the issue would be gratefully received. -- Jungle They say that laughter is the best medicine but, if you're an asthmatic, ventolin is probably a better bet. Jungle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1998 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21339 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Squeezenetwork/Firmware 33 issue
seanadams Wrote: > This may be related to Squeenetwork's IP address changing, although if > your router is giving Squeebox a valid DNS server, that shouldn't > matter. > > Please try FW35 which will be in the next nightly. Wow, that was a quick response! I would have thought that if the SB was failing to find SqueezeNetwork, it would just exit gracefully rather than dying. I'll have a look at the IP address for Squeezenetwork - I can navigate to www.squeezenetwork.com quite happily and my router (I'm using a Netgear DG834G) seems to resolve all addresses OK. Here's hoping that firmware 35 sorts the problem OK. Thanks for the tip. -- Jungle They say that laughter is the best medicine but, if you're an asthmatic, ventolin is probably a better bet. Jungle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1998 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21339 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Squeezenetwork/Firmware 33 issue
This may be related to Squeenetwork's IP address changing, although if your router is giving Squeebox a valid DNS server, that shouldn't matter. Please try FW35 which will be in the next nightly. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21339 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork crash
>The ticking coming through the passive speakers sounds like a hardware >issue that was reported in early SB2s - its something along the lines >of interference from the wireless connection feeding back out the >headphone socket. Again there is/was a fix for this, it involves adding >a cap or two (but you may not want to do this yourself!). > I only notice it when trying to connect to slimserver, so it doesn't bother me. When I had the sudden problem trying to connect after the crash, I thought maybe I had developed a hardware fault. However, everything seems to be back to normal now. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork WMA / mms suport
I love you... I love you all. :) -- gingerneil ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork - Slimserver - SB2 prefs
Olaf Wrote: > It's just that mine's forever present and I'd > appreciate if the two offerings could be integrated beyond a simple > exchange > of preferences. > I'm confused as to why you're using SN if your server is always up? > > Bottom line: I'd like to be able to browse SqueezeNetwork from my > iPAQ. Doesn't your ipaq have a browser? -- radish ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork - Slimserver - SB2 prefs
What I'd like to see is this; when SlimServer can't be found it automatically goes to the SqueezeNetwork to show the clock, and when SlimServer is available it swaps back over. That is unless you manually left it on the SqueezeNetwork when you last turned off the SB2. And I'm not too happy that the dispay dims whilst using the SqueezeNetwork, when I prefer my display to run at full brightness all the time. Other than that, it rocks. Keep up the good work. -- CavesOfTQLT ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork - Fundamental Question
So are you saying that when my pc is powered off at night it can still be hacked? Can my wireless network be hacked by a drive-by hacker if it's off? Are you _really_ that stupid?=) So yes, turning the pc/router off does improve security - from directed, specific hack attempts. I agree that with the flood of port-scanning going on at any one minute of the day, that 24 hours operation is not 1/12th as safe as 2 hours. By the way, when I boot my pc up each day, the first thing it does is get the latest virus updates, firewall updates, and checks for Microsoft patches. If fast-moving threats developed over night (like SQL slammer) then I may have missed the worst of it or be protected by the patch/signature released a few hours later, but before I booted up. Cheers, Mike "JJZolx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > seanadams Wrote: >> I believe the vast majority of people with broadband connections do >> NOT want to have a home server running 24x7. There is also a huge >> trend towards households having just a wireless network and one or >> two laptops - not a convenient setup for serving music all the time. > > I take it the attitude of this vast majority is due to some kind of > concern for security? Like if their PC runs 24 hours per day, they > feel they're 12 times as likely to get hacked as when it's only run 2 > hours? :-) > > Are people are _really_ that stupid? > > > -- > JJZolx ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork - first thoughts
vidurapparao Wrote: > > > > 5. Whilst connected to the SN, I looked at my slimserver UI, > > and my player was no longer listed. Is it not possible to > > connect/disconnect to/from the SN from the slimserver? I was > > kind of expecting my local slimserver to override the SN on > > demand, such that when my local server is not present, it can > > fall back to the SN, but when the slimserver is available, it > > could switch back to it. > > Currently, you have to make an explicit decision to switch > between the two. We're definitely open to ideas on how to make > the transition smoother. Ideally you could do this from the web interface on the local SlimServer, which would stay in contact with the Squeezebox even if the SB is connected to SqueezeNetwork. I have no idea if Slimproto supports (or can be made to support) more than one server connection. But I want to see all of the Squeezeboxes on my network from SlimServer and if I queue up a song and hit 'Play', then it needs to play. If it's not possible to do from the local SlimServer, then maybe: * A SqueezeNetwork option to sign off after N hours/minutes of inactivity? This would just save the user the trouble of manually doing it if he forgets he was connected to SqueezeNetwork, but normally uses the local server. This would have to be an option, and would probably need to defaul to staying connected to SN. * An option for behavior after a powering ON. Either 1) connect to local SlimServer, 2) connect to Squeezenetwork, or 3) Resume last connection. This would essentially be a quick way of signing on or off, rather than going through the menu selections you just hit the ON/OFF button twice. * Have the SB periodically look for a local SlimServer. If it sees one, then connect to it. Continue playing whatever radio stream you were connected to. In the same manner that it would be desirable for the local SlimServer to be able to "grab" the SB connection for itself, with talk of alarms and notifications coming from the SqueezeNetwork you're going to need the ability to talk to an SB even if it's not explicitly connected to SqueezeNetwork. Now, I'm sure _that_ suggestion will raise a few eyebrows! Imagine, the ability for SlimDevices to talk to a Squeezebox even when it's not currently connected to SN. :-) But if you don't have this ability, then with people setting alarms and reminders from SqueezeNetwork you're going to have many of them never going off because the device wasn't connected to SqueezeNetwork. Needless to say, this will also need to be an option - "Allow SqueezeNetwork to connect to this Squeezebox" or else the privacy advocates will be up in arms. This could also be implmented in the other direction by using some type of polling - the SB when NOT connected to SN polls SN once every 60 seconds to see if there are any alarms or reminders to process. -- JJZolx ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork - first thoughts
Philip Meyer Wrote: > > > > 1. I found it easy to connect to the SqueezeNetwork (SN) and > configure. > Great! > > 2. How does the PIN get generated? Is this id allocated from SN the > first time a unique SB2 connects? > The PIN is not currently used, but will be shortly. It is meant to be an identifier that can be used to associate multiple players together with an account, so that settings such as Favorites can be shared between them. > > 3. The SB2 feels a lot slower to navigate through menus when connected > to the SN. Does each remote control action perform a round-trip visit > to the server across the internet? > Actually, yes. The SqueezeNetwork is meant to be a SlimServer-in-the-sky and speaks Slimproto (the same protocol as your local SlimServer). We're continuing to optimize the protocol to make it less chatty. As the network grows, we may also have Points of Presence (POPs) in various locations to improve roundtrip speed. > > 5. Whilst connected to the SN, I looked at my slimserver UI, and my > player was no longer listed. Is it not possible to connect/disconnect > to/from the SN from the slimserver? I was kind of expecting my local > slimserver to override the SN on demand, such that when my local server > is not present, it can fall back to the SN, but when the slimserver is > available, it could switch back to it. > Currently, you have to make an explicit decision to switch between the two. We're definitely open to ideas on how to make the transition smoother. > > 6. I couldn't set an alarm time of 7:15am. It doesn't like 10's of > minutes - I could set the time for 7:05 or 7:01. Still, with my > timekeeping, this is perhaps not a bad thing ;) > Hmm...I didn't have a problem setting a time of 7:15. There is a SqueezeNetwork category in the bug database (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/), so feel free to file bugs, ideally with steps to recreate. > > 7. As an idea, it would be nice to have some kind of scheduling > facility - set a time, a short message and a sound effect using the > SqueezeNetwork website, and the SqueezeBox2 would play this sound > effect and scroll the message onto the display. I could then send > reminders to home from work. Perhaps the slimserver could periodically > connect to the SN to get any updates to scheduled reminders, so it would > work even when the SB2 is connected to the local server. > A great idea. Please file an enhancement bug. --Vidur -- vidurapparao ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork - first thoughts
Michael Haan Wrote: > > How do I access the SN? I've poked around but can find any info. Install the latest nightly from the 6.1 trunk. http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads/nightly/latest/6.1/ You'll be prompted to upgrade the firmware on your SB2. After you upgrade the firmware you'll find it on the first SB menu. -- JJZolx ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork - first thoughts
Philip Meyer Wrote: > 5. Whilst connected to the SN, I looked at my slimserver UI, and my > player was no longer listed. Is it not possible to connect/disconnect > to/from the SN from the slimserver? I was kind of expecting my local > slimserver to override the SN on demand, such that when my local server > is not present, it can fall back to the SN, but when the slimserver is > available, it could switch back to it. I noticed that also. At the very least, there would seem to be a need to permit the local SlimServer to break the Squeezebox out of its SqueezeNetwork mode. It's also a little diconcerting seeing the "cannot find a Squeezebox" message at the server. The SB and local SlimServer should somehow keep an open dialog between them even when the SB is connected to SqueezeNetwork. I suspect, though, that this is really just a product of being a very early version of the software and that more intelligence in dealing with switching between the local server and SqueezeNetwork is planned for the future. -- JJZolx ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork Alpha up and running...
dean Wrote: > For the time being, yes. We expect to turn on this capability very > soon. > > Stay tuned! > > [/color] Do you consider to give notification once it will be available, by filing an entry on bugzilla for instance? That would be great! In fact, SqueezeNetwork always-on functionality for listening to any streaming Internet radio without being connected to a PC was the decisive argument for me to purchase SB2, so I would really appreciate a quick implementation of this feature. Best Regards, Michel. -- mcremer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork Alpha up and running...
For the time being, yes. We expect to turn on this capability very soon. Stay tuned! On May 18, 2005, at 2:44 PM, mcremer wrote: vidurapparao Wrote: Expect to see in the near future, a web interface for the SqueezeNetwork always-on functionality. This will allow you to edit your favorites from a browser. --Vidur So you're saying for the time being there's no way for me as a SB2 user to save a MP3 streaming URL [like http://217.71.214.37:8006] for listening while the computer running slimserver is off? Michel. -- mcremer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork Alpha up and running...
vidurapparao Wrote: > Expect to see in the near future, a web interface for the SqueezeNetwork > > always-on functionality. This will allow you to edit your favorites > from > a browser. > --Vidur So you're saying for the time being there's no way for me as a SB2 user to save a MP3 streaming URL [like http://217.71.214.37:8006] for listening while the computer running slimserver is off? Michel. -- mcremer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork Alpha up and running...
Expect to see in the near future, a web interface for the SqueezeNetwork always-on functionality. This will allow you to edit your favorites from a browser. Unfortunately, the mms: stream that you mention will not be immediately available through the SqueezeNetwork. Radio stations currently stream directly to your Squeezebox, so we only support formats decoded natively by the SB2 - MP3 today (and FLAC, but that's not significant in the context of streaming). --Vidur ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork Alpha up and running...
The Computer-Off functionality provided by SqueezeNetwork is exactly the reason why I had decided to buy Squeezebox2 instead of any other streaming client -- I simply do not want to be forced to have the computer running all day just to be able to listen to my favourite internet radio station. So thanks a lot for turning this feature on now! Setup went very quick and well, without any problem to report. The only thing I could not get sorted out so far is: How to set up (save) any own favourites, internet radio stations and rss sources? I have a number of particular internet radio streams stored on my slimserver as playlist files and I am wondering how to save these "bookmarks" on my SqueezeNetwork account in order to be able to connect to them with the computer being turned off, such as ... -> mms://213.200.64.231/motorfm%24livestream.wma -> http://mp3.d-radio.t-bn.de/live_dlr and so on. Same problem for RSS feeds, such as ... -> http://www.tagesschau.de/newsticker.rdf -> http://www.spiegel.de/schlagzeilen/rss/index.xml I cannot see how to save these URLs in a way that makes them available to my SB2 without the computer/slimserver running. Thanks in advance for any hint on this issue. Hope it will be of interest for other users as well. Michel. -- mcremer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork - Fundamental Question
Quoting JJZolx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Not at all. I was commenting only on Sean's "people with broadband > connections" statement, which seems to point out a fear of keeping a PC > powered up and connected to the Internet. I don't doubt for a minute > that this is a very common, although misguided, fear. I believe the statement was meant to discern from those with dialup, who would be unable to actually use the service without some pc powered up and dialed out (not to mention not having near enough bandwidth.) -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork - Fundamental Question
mherger Wrote: > > I take it the attitude of this vast majority is due to some kind of > > concern for security? Like if their PC runs 24 hours per day, they > > feel they're 12 times as likely to get hacked as when it's only run > 2 > > hours? :-) > > > > Are people are _really_ that stupid? > > No. But there are people who think energy consumption is a concern. > Would > you call them stupid? Not at all. I was commenting only on Sean's "people with broadband connections" statement, which seems to point out a fear of keeping a PC powered up and connected to the Internet. I don't doubt for a minute that this is a very common, although misguided, fear. -- JJZolx ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork - Fundamental Question
I take it the attitude of this vast majority is due to some kind of concern for security? Like if their PC runs 24 hours per day, they feel they're 12 times as likely to get hacked as when it's only run 2 hours? :-) Are people are _really_ that stupid? No. But there are people who think energy consumption is a concern. Would you call them stupid? -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork - Fundamental Question
JJZolx Wrote: > I take it the attitude of this vast majority is due to some kind of > concern for security? Like if their PC runs 24 hours per day, they > feel they're 12 times as likely to get hacked as when it's only run 2 > hours? :-) > > Are people are _really_ that stupid? What about noise, heat generation and power consumption? -- sbjaerum ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork - Fundamental Question
seanadams Wrote: > I believe the vast majority of people with broadband connections do > NOT want to have a home server running 24x7. There is also a huge > trend towards households having just a wireless network and one or > two laptops - not a convenient setup for serving music all the time. I take it the attitude of this vast majority is due to some kind of concern for security? Like if their PC runs 24 hours per day, they feel they're 12 times as likely to get hacked as when it's only run 2 hours? :-) Are people are _really_ that stupid? -- JJZolx ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork Alpha up and running...
dean Wrote: > On May 18, 2005, at 11:14 AM, JJZolx wrote: > > When it connects it goes immediately into my chosen screensaver, > which > > is date/time. It might be good to have an indication on that screen > > that you're connected to SqueezeNetwork. Maybe on all screens. > > Hm, it shouldn't do that. Were you prompted for your Language and > TimeZone? Yes, I did all that - language, timezone, long date format, time format, screen saver. I don't recall if I was 'prompted', per se, or if I went into Settings on my own. Just tried it again. Signed off and then back on. I see an _extremely_ brief message in the smallest font size and then it drops me into the date/time screen saver that I chose. -- JJZolx ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork Alpha up and running...
On May 18, 2005, at 11:14 AM, JJZolx wrote: When it connects it goes immediately into my chosen screensaver, which is date/time. It might be good to have an indication on that screen that you're connected to SqueezeNetwork. Maybe on all screens. Hm, it shouldn't do that. Were you prompted for your Language and TimeZone? Are settings and favorites kept on a central server or in NVRAM? If the former, how is a network or player identified and will a person see the same favorites on all of the Squeezeboxes on his/her network? All the settings are on the server and (for now) are separate from your SlimServer settings. -dean ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork Alpha up and running...
Congratulations! It works well! Seemed to have a little problem connecting at first, but after a few tries it got there. When it connects it goes immediately into my chosen screensaver, which is date/time. It might be good to have an indication on that screen that you're connected to SqueezeNetwork. Maybe on all screens. I don't use the remote much, so the interface is fairly foreign, but it would be nice if the right-arrow button were equivalent to 'Play' when a radio station is displayed. I was wondering why I wasn't getting anywhere until I eventually tried 'Play'. Duh. Are settings and favorites kept on a central server or in NVRAM? If the former, how is a network or player identified and will a person see the same favorites on all of the Squeezeboxes on his/her network? -- JJZolx ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork?
kdf Wrote: > Quoting earthbased forums.slimdevices.com>: > > > > How do I enable SqueezeNetwork on my SB2? Or is > this computer-less > mode not implemented yet? > > it is not yet implemented, but should be coming very soon. > > -kdf How soon is 'very soon'? The adverts for the SB2 strongly implied that it could be used for streaming Internet radio without being connected to a PC now, and not at some unspecified time in the future. Regards, Nick. -- nhopton ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork dumb question
do we know when it will -- daveblazer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork
Steinar Bjaerum wrote: Will Softsqueeze emulate the Squeezebox2/SqueezeNetwork interaction? I understand it is a bit strange to request standalone operation of Softsqueeze since it needs a computer to run on. But for me as a Squeezebox1 owner, it would be valuable to use Softsqueeze with SqueezeNetwork to get a hands-on feel of the functionality before I decide to upgrade to Squeezebox2. Yes, the plan is to allow Softsqueeze to connect to the SqueezeNetwork. At the moment I am not sure when this functionality will be available. Regards, Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
