[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
Dogberry2 wrote: > Copyright law is a morass of contradictions, inconsistencies, > inequities, and foolishness, to which no one can rightly claim full > understanding. Even so-called specialists in copyright law are often > confused and uncertain about what they can, and cannot, make stand up in > court. That's why so many cases that do get to court receive so much > press and so much speculation, and drag on through so many arguments. If > it were straightforward, there would be few questions and cases would be > clear-cut. And that's all just within a single nation's system of > jurisprudence; across international boundaries the mess becomes even > messier. > > So asking "is this legal?" is like asking "how high is up?" Nobody > really knows, but lots of people will be happy to assert an opinion and > claim it as the actual, factual, philosophical and legal truth. The only > sensible response is what Dylan's song says: "Anything's legal, as long > as you don't get caught." Using a little common sense, copying or > recording only for your own use and not trying to go into business > selling bootlegs, leaves it pretty unlikely anyone will notice or bother > you. Making a big deal out of it and openly waving it around or making > money from it increases the likelihood that A) someone will notice, and > B) someone will decide to "make an example of you", for their own > political, professional, or financial gain. Surely I'm not the only one > who remembers how Napster started? Well said. The original question's answer is still YES. Recording software IS legal. It was and is a stupid question. Is what you do with it legal ? is the sensible question which you have answered most eloquently. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
Copyright law is a morass of contradictions, inconsistencies, inequities, and foolishness, to which no one can rightly claim full understanding. Even so-called specialists in copyright law are often confused and uncertain about what they can, and cannot, make stand up in court. That's why so many cases that do get to court receive so much press and so much speculation, and drag on through so many arguments. If it were straightforward, there would be few questions and cases would be clear-cut. And that's all just within a single nation's system of jurisprudence; across international boundaries the mess becomes even messier. So asking "is this legal?" is like asking "how high is up?" Nobody really knows, but lots of people will be happy to assert an opinion and claim it as the actual, factual, philosophical and legal truth. The only sensible response is what Dylan's song says: "Anything's legal, as long as you don't get caught." Using a little common sense, copying or recording only for your own use and not trying to go into business selling bootlegs, leaves it pretty unlikely anyone will notice or bother you. Making a big deal out of it and openly waving it around or making money from it increases the likelihood that A) someone will notice, and B) someone will decide to "make an example of you", for their own political, professional, or financial gain. Surely I'm not the only one who remembers how Napster started? Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
The (correct) statement was qualified, cites a reference and postscripts the whole thing with a massive winking smiley. I hope most people didn't take it too seriously. Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
drmatt wrote: > Fortunately the context for the statement that preceded it was "here in > the UK".. so in fact it's true. > Actually, the "everyone on this forum" implies reach way beyond the UK reference. It's why I said you need to be more careful making such strong assertions; people read these forums and not everyone has the experience and knowledge to filter out the wrongnesses. LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
No the digital copy of a mp3 file is illegal too. Because it is digital it is the same as the original. It is legal to make an analog copy of the mp3 file. I think this whole discussion is as meaningless as "what's the maximum speed you are allowed to drive?". It depends on your country. Laws are different. In Switzerland you're still allowed to exchange 1:1 CD copies among friends and family, or download from their server or their *box account etc. Yes, it's legal. But you're not allowed to use bit-torrent to do the same, as you can't control who you are sharing your files with. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
w3wilkes wrote: > Since mp3 is not an exact copy would it be considered the same as a tape > recorder? No the digital copy of a mp3 file is illegal too. Because it is digital it is the same as the original. It is legal to make an analog copy of the mp3 file. Callesoroe Living room: Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) Kitchen: Receiver - S.M.S.L DAC, Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers. Bedroom: Receiver+UE boombox, Kids: Receiver+Active speakers, Office: Transporter, JBL LSR305 active speakers , TIDAL HIFI flac streaming. http://www.last.fm/user/callesoroe callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
In opposite to downloading, recording music in the background is not illegal, provided that you will not publish the results. More precisely, you are moving in a grey area. I recommend audials tunebite premium: http://audials.com/en/how_to_record_internet_radios/spotify.html You have to spend some money, but worth it. Good quality results, automatically cutten files and easy handling. AndyMwt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65338 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
RonM wrote: > You need to be a bit more careful about such assertive, and wrong, > statements. Fortunately the context for the statement that preceded it was "here in the UK".. so in fact it's true. Anyway, the whole area is an international joke. People have been and will continue to format shift, illegal or not. The law will catch up with this one day everywhere. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
drmatt wrote: > > Format shifting is still explicitly illegal. So everyone on this forum > listening to ripped CDs is committing an offence. [emoji12] > You need to be a bit more careful about such assertive, and wrong, statements. In Canada, format shifting is EXPLICITLY allowed, provided that you own the original. So ripping a CD to listen to it through Squeezeboxen is completely legal. This arrangement is increasingly common in other countries. What is not, in Canada, allowed is breaking copy protection. Since copy protection in music is now rare, it's mostly irrelevant in that context. In the case of video, where copy protection is ubiquitous, it's a different matter. But in Canada liability for non-commercial infringement is limited to fairly modest amounts, the aggregate for ALL infringements is limited to between $100 to $5000 (as distinct from per-infringement). It's also limited to actual losses by the copyright holder, so any pursuit of infringers is unlikely. Commercial infringement is a very different matter. The impact of the recent copyright legislation in Canada (2012) is on balance to make a clear differentiation between copying for private purposes and for commercial purposes. While some acts (e.g. breaking locks on DVDs) are not legally permitted for individuals, it's unlikely that non-commercial activities (e.g. copying a DVD borrowed from a library for personal use) will ever be penalized. LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
callesoroe wrote: > In Denmark it is illegal to make a digital copy because the quality is > identical. If you use a taperecorder, you will not have a exact copy. > Since mp3 is not an exact copy would it be considered the same as a tape recorder? 2 Duets - 1 for upstairs and 1 for downstairs Rock Solid with LMS 7.9 on WHS 2011 w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
Mnyb wrote: > Is that any legal difference between a software and a good old fashioned > tape recorder ? In Denmark it is illegal to make a digital copy because the quality is identical. If you use a taperecorder, you will not have a exact copy. It is legal to make a copy of your own CD's and place them on a HD, as long as you are in possession of the original CD. Callesoroe Living room: Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) Kitchen: Receiver - S.M.S.L DAC, Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers. Bedroom: Receiver+UE boombox, Kids: Receiver+Active speakers, Office: Transporter, JBL LSR305 active speakers , TIDAL HIFI flac streaming. http://www.last.fm/user/callesoroe callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
And why start several treads on this very topic ( never seen the op in any other kind of tread ). Just do whatever but don't tell us . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
Under fair use it means you are recording the sample (and it should normally be just a sample not an entire track) for parody, criticism, or other legitimate commentary. Fair use provides no protection for arbitrarily recording protected works for indefinite later replays, even if you have no intention of sharing or distribution of that content. It *may* provide protection for format shifting, I.e. ripping LPs/CDs you own for playback by yourself on other devices in other formats, but even that is mainly "tolerated" and not explicitly protected, it's just the wording is unclear. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
Fair use personal recordings are a statutory right in law for many countries. No contract a copyright holder claims you have entered removes or lessens those statutory rights. In fact they are likely breaking the law if they even imply your rights have been reduced. So in countries where it is written in law you are allowed to make a recording on the stream, that recording may be MP3, lossless or whatever. Never worry about what a companies policy or contract states, ask simply what the law states. They may not be the same thing. bits's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13375 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
The software is legal what you do with it may not be. In U.K. it is legal to make a recording of something you own for personal use. Digitising my vinyl to FLAC is legal but if I sell the vinyl I should delete any copies made. For the record I have kept every vinyl record. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
You also have the terms and conditions for the services . Radio migth be just as ok as it was with god old fm and tapedeck. But a service like spotify clearly says no in their terms and conditions you agreed to when signing up. So software that records you computers output may very well be perfectly legal and not really a problem. Its what and where that matters . Also of one designed an app specially for recording a certain service and possibly even using thier API to select content. I would expect to go down in flames , and spend my life in some never ending legal battle. :P Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
Mnyb wrote: > Is that any legal difference between a software and a good old fashioned > tape recorder ? Legally no but they have not often bothered to prosecute "lossy" recording methods like tape, historically. They were more concerned about redistribution with the advent of perfect digital recordings. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
I would record as flac because cross conversion between different lossy codecs can introduce artifacts and sound bad. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
Is that any legal difference between a software and a good old fashioned tape recorder ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
I think it's rather simple: if it was legal, you wouldn't have to ask about it. You'd go download/buy the application to do it from a vast choice of offerings. Quite obviously you can't easily find them, or you wouldn't have to come to this forum. Now if you have a Squeezebox related question, just ask. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
Depends which country you are in but broadly speaking recording has always been legal, it's what you record and what you do with it that matters. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Recording-Software: legal or not?
Hey guys, currently I try to get some clear informations about recording-softwares, with which you are able to record, cut and convert music from platforms like Spotify and Deezer into mp3-files. While there is a big offer in the world wide web, I´m still not sure, if they are legal or not. If somebody knows more about that issue, would be great to hear about. Additionally with some suggestions if you have. Greetings! Schwarzenegger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64586 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106637 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
