Re: [slim] SB3 Antenna???
androidtopp;357631 Wrote: > I have heard a lot of people get VERY slow throughput on these, > depending on the quality of your house wiring, and how clean your power > is. Could all be bunk, but I've seen few people be satisfied. I > considered this option, but it was more expensive than what ended up > working for me, and all those low throughput comments planted the seed > of doubt in my mind. If it works, it's a great option though - since it > has the power (see what I did there) to extend your network everywhere. Using the Squeezecenter Server & Network Health test I get a solid 100% @2500kbps on the SB3s that are attached to the Powerline AV adapters. At 3000kbps it drops off to 95%. This is identical to what I get when I test my hardwired SB3. In any case the throughput has been good enough to stream FLACs to multiple SB3s throughout the house without any drop-outs, which wasn't the case with wi-fi. I don't have any info on the single-phase vs multi-phase home wiring issue. FWIW I'm located in the northeast US and live in a 15 year old house. Your mileage may vary. -- pfink pfink's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Antenna???
androidtopp;357631 Wrote: > I have heard a lot of people get VERY slow throughput on these, > depending on the quality of your house wiring, and how clean your power > is. Could all be bunk, but I've seen few people be satisfied. I > considered this option, but it was more expensive than what ended up > working for me, and all those low throughput comments planted the seed > of doubt in my mind. If it works, it's a great option though - since it > has the power (see what I did there) to extend your network everywhere. There was a discussion on this topic here not too long ago. Wiring in US homes is often multi-"phase", and powerline adaptors connected to plugs on circuits not on the same phase work poorly, or sometimes not at all. Someone mentioned there was some approach or device to bridge the phases to make it work better. Others mentioned this is not a problem in the UK, where electricity service and wiring in a home is typically single phase. I've exhausted my knowledge of this, and maybe went beyond it a bit. I'm sure good information is available on this from the usual sources. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Antenna???
I have heard a lot of people get VERY slow throughput on these, depending on the quality of your house wiring, and how clean your power is. Could all be bunk, but I've seen few people be satisfied. I considered this option, but it was more expensive than what ended up working for me, and all those low throughput comments planted the seed of doubt in my mind. -- androidtopp My SB3 is the most expensive part of my stereo. So I'm not going to brag about it. And my SBB as well...Is it wrong that my alarm clock is worth more than most of my stereo components? I need to work on that. http://www.last.fm/user/androidtopp androidtopp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19681 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Antenna???
cdnpaul;356848 Wrote: > I just recently switched from DSL to cable and the Apple Extreme router > is now farther away. My Transporter is great (it works great regardless > of where the router is in the house) but the two SB3's always seem to > struggle with picking up a strong enough signal. Are there any simple > solutions to increase the range of the SB3's? I have a Squeezebox in a bedroom which is in the opposite corner of the house and one floor up from the wireless router and its wi-fi reception was always spotty. I tried a high-gain antenna on the router: no improvement. I added another wireless access point in the second floor office, which is one room away: no improvement. I finally bought a couple of these things: http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-PLK200-Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter/dp/B000LJ5B8Q/ You plug one in near the router and then run a CAT 5 cable from it to the router, then plug the other one in near the Squeezebox and run another CAT 5 cable from it to the Squeezebox (you configure the SqueezeBox same way you would if it was hardwired.) The Powerline adapters communicate with each other though the house's electrical wiring and bridge the traffic to your router. Works great. I ended up buying a third one to use with the Squeezebox in the basement. -- pfink pfink's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Antenna???
If you can find another router at a good price you can use DD-WRT to turn it into a repeater. Solved my problems. -- floydthecat floydthecat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20988 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Antenna???
Unfortunately my Netgear doesn't support WDS and WPA. I raised the router about 2 feet and now I'm getting a consistent 50 with one SB3 and 95 with the Transporter; however, the SB3 upstairs is very erratic. I refreshed the status page seven times in a row and got 39, 19, 21, 21, 21, 41 and then 19 again. -- cdnpaul Transporter -> Onkyo 905 -> Dali Mentor 6 SB3 -> Denon 3805 -> Energy Take 5 SB3 -> Tivoli Model Three cdnpaul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3270 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Antenna???
The whole wireless thing seems a little like a black magic right now. I tried refreshing the status page last night and the signal strength on the SB3's fluctuated quite a bit w/o me actually doing anything; in fact, the one on the 2nd floor would disappear and reappear. On the other hand, the Transporter is behind a furnace and in a rack filled with other gear and it's always around 87% which I find amazing. -- cdnpaul Transporter -> Onkyo 905 -> Dali Mentor 6 SB3 -> Denon 3805 -> Energy Take 5 SB3 -> Tivoli Model Three cdnpaul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3270 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Antenna???
I had to move my WAP to the basement and had issues with wireless coverage with my Linksys WRT54GS. Getting a pair of high gain antennas from Radio Shack that cost $7 solved the problem for me. I'm also using DD-WRT which allows you to crank up the wireless radio power if need be. I'm using the default that DD-WRT specifies, which I believe is a bit higher than what the stock FW sets it to. I used my network of SBs througout the house as a guide to orienting the antennas. After each shift in orientation I'd refresh the status page on SqueezeCenter and noted the signal strengths of each SB. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 10.2 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.2.1, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Antenna???
Using a wireless bridge is kind of ironic considering the SB3 itself is supposed to be one! LOL You may run into difficulties trying to get devices from different manufacturers to repeat. There may also be security issues on the Netgear side. I know my DG834g won't support WPA under WDS. -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Antenna???
Thanks for the suggestions. The gaming bridge is an interesting option; in fact, I have another wireless router (Netgear Rangemax) doing nothing right now so maybe I could turn that into a bridge somehow. One day I'd like to have an "n" network and a "g" network. -- cdnpaul Transporter -> Onkyo 905 -> Dali Mentor 6 SB3 -> Denon 3805 -> Energy Take 5 SB3 -> Tivoli Model Three cdnpaul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3270 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Antenna???
I had this exact problem: weak wireless signal after I moved, and ended up with the wireless router and the SB3 too far away from one another, or with too many obstructions between them. I bought a wireless gaming bridge - basically something that bridges a wired only device (XBox, etc) to a wireless network. The benefit is, most of these bridges have higher gain external antenna when compared to the SB3. So for about $50, I was able to solve my problem without any modifications to the SB3 itself. You could even replace the regular antenna on the bridge with an even higher gain antenna if it's still not enough. -- androidtopp My SB3 is the most expensive part of my stereo. So I'm not going to brag about it. And my SBB as well...Is it wrong that my alarm clock is worth more than most of my stereo components? I need to work on that. http://www.last.fm/user/androidtopp androidtopp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19681 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Antenna???
I don't know of anything that can be done with the SBs other than maybe playing around with orientation of the boxes in relation to the router. Not always aesthetically an option. Some things to try: Ensure that the aerial(s) on the router (if it has external) are tightly screwed in. Using the player's signal strength meter, try different orientations of the router's aerial(s). Step through all the available Wi-Fi channels on the router looking for the best combination of signal strength & stability. A stable 50% is better than a peak of 60% that also dips below 50%. Switch off any redundancy in the router. ie if the router supports "b" & "g" & you only have "g" devices, select "g" only. Consider replacing the aerial with a high gain alternative, maybe with an extension cable. Or adding a parabolic reflector. Here's a DIY jobbie but there are commercial varieties available. http://www.freeantennas.com/projects/template2/index.html I've asked the same sort of question but from the router end here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54691 As I said there, & apparently supported by your Transporter experience, there does seem to be something inherently poor in the SB3's Wi-Fi. -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SB3 Antenna???
I just recently switched from DSL to cable and the Apple Extreme router is now farther away. My Transporter is great (it works great regardless of where the router is in the house) but the two SB3's always seem to struggle with picking up a strong enough signal. Are there any simple solutions to increase the range of the SB3's? -- cdnpaul Transporter -> Onkyo 905 -> Dali Mentor 6 SB3 -> Denon 3805 -> Energy Take 5 SB3 -> Tivoli Model Three cdnpaul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3270 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54672 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 antenna?
Have a look here >>-> http://www.freeantennas.com/ I made two of the foil backed cardboard jobs and the signal strength increase on a PC was two bars out of 5. -- Wirrunna Wirrunna's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3225 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36350 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 antenna?
Download and install Netstumbler from here: http://www.netstumbler.com/downloads/ There's a version for Macs too called Macstumbler. It takes the guesswork out of determining what channels any of your neighbours are using. It also shows their relative strengths so you can avoid the strongest ones. -- Ian_F Ian_F's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8308 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36350 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Excellent graphic that, thanks JJZolx, it's been saved :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36350 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 antenna?
SuperQ;210735 Wrote: > 1, 6, and 11 are the only non-overlapping channels on 11g. All the > others can cause problems. All of the channels overlap others. 1, 6 and 11 don't overlap _each_other_, which I suppose would be a good thing to know if you were putting up three wireless networks in your home. Or maybe if you have a couple of neighbors with wifi networks you can work something out to use only those three channels. If there are more than three competing networks, though, there will be some interference somewhere, and one of the other channels could easily end up being optimal. +---+ |Filename: channels.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2997| +---+ -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36350 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 antenna?
jclyle;210733 Wrote: > I did that today, I have a linksys router and picked up generic antenna > replacements from Radio Shack for $20. The just is still out if there > is an improvement over the stock ones on the router. Remember these things when dealing with WiFi: 1, 6, and 11 are the only non-overlapping channels on 11g. All the others can cause problems. (There are situations that you can use others, but you need to understand RF engineering very well to use them :) Antenna orientation matters. The signal coming off the antenna is shaped like a doughnut if you stuck the antenna through the hole. There is less signal coming from the tip as coming from the sides. The higher the gain of the stick antenna, the flatter the doughnut is. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36350 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 antenna?
I did that today, I have a linksys router and picked up generic antenna replacements from Radio Shack for $20. The just is still out if there is an improvement over the stock ones on the router. -- jclyle jclyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36350 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 antenna?
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:40:42 -0700, "jclyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On the back of the SB3, there is the shiny metal stand that acts as a > stand. Does that also serve double duty as the antenna? I was debating > attaching some more wire to its the antenna to try & improve signal > strength. I'm having some dropouts and skipping when playing 24bit flac > files. I have noticed that the problems occur when signal strength is > <60%. I am considering homeplugs but dont want to shell out the $$ if > i can improve things by moving my router around, and possibly pimping > the antenna on the SB3. Have you tried adding a better antenna to your router instead? That's usually a lot easier. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 antenna?
jclyle;210623 Wrote: > You're right, there are no external antennas, i just saw that in another > thread. I changed the channel on my route and that has helped get the > avg signal strength to 70 from 60. Tomorrow i'll play around with > router placement (its upstairs) Keep trying different channels. I find that I generally get the best signal strength at either end of the range. I think that's probably because it avoids other nearby wifi networks where the WAPs tend to default to a middle channel. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36350 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 antenna?
You're right, there are no external antennas, i just saw that in another thread. I changed the channel on my route and that has helped get the avg signal strength to 70 from 60. Tomorrow i'll play around with router placement (its upstairs) -- jclyle jclyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36350 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 antenna?
I don't think the stand acts as an external antenna. IIRC, there are just two internal antennas. Someone has done exactly what you're contemplating, though: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34315 -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36350 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SB3 antenna?
On the back of the SB3, there is the shiny metal stand that acts as a stand. Does that also serve double duty as the antenna? I was debating attaching some more wire to its the antenna to try & improve signal strength. I'm having some dropouts and skipping when playing 24bit flac files. I have noticed that the problems occur when signal strength is <60%. I am considering homeplugs but dont want to shell out the $$ if i can improve things by moving my router around, and possibly pimping the antenna on the SB3. FYI- the rest of my rig is Joilda 502B and Totem Acoustic Staff speakers. I will have a Channel Islands VDA 2 DAC here next week to compare against the SB3 analog out -- jclyle jclyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36350 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
