Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2021-01-21 Thread Redrum


Viragored wrote: 
> Sorry to be late to this discussion: My experience with the flaky rural
> power supplies where I live that often break leads me to believe the
> issues I get, similar to the original poster, are because the router is
> slow to start working when the power comes back on. 
> When the power is back, LMS might work or it might not. Even if it
> works, it won't find internet radio stations. The Sony smart TV also
> suffers, it appears on the network but the built-in Chromecast doesn't
> broadcast itself as available and the TV's status says "Ethernet not
> connected". My Pis are all quick to reboot, the TV is slower, but the
> router is the slowest of the lot.
> My solution, on the days I remember to do it, is when the power dies to
> switch off at the wall the Pi running LMS and the TV. Some time after
> the power is restored, I switch these devices back on, and all goes
> normally.
> The Pi's SD card has successfully survived one of those really bad power
> resumptions when the power flicks on and off a few times before becoming
> stable again, as well as many others.

This is similar to my situation. Utility power that fails frequently,
when it is restored LMS on the pCP not working. When I had the LMS data
on my attached HDD, on power restore pCP would not find the HDD, so it
could not run LMS (at least that was my assumption). I had to go into
pCP UI and unmount and mount the HDD, then start LMS. Since then I have
been told you can extend the time that pCP waits for HDD spin up, maybe
that would have helped, didn't try it.

I have since moved the LMS data to the SD, on a third partition. When
the power restores, LMS isn't running, but I simply have to restart pCP
from the UI, so it's a fairly easy restore that I can live with it.

But I can't help but think that it has something to do with the fact
that the router/internet is slow to come on line on power restore, and
pCP can't find it initially. I say this because this never happened with
LMS on Windows, but we all know that Windows boots slowly, so the
router/internet was likely available.

To the thread, my SD has survived maybe 10 power cuts while LMS was
playing.
Jim



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2021-01-20 Thread Viragored


Redrum wrote: 
> then, one other thought. The power cut, is it intentional (turn off pi)?
> Or, is it a utility power failure? I ask because I am wondering if it is
> a situation where the pi comes on line, looking for internet access, but
> the isp/modem is not rebooted. My modem takes forever (maybe 5 minutes).
> With my system, when this happens, time gets messed up (touch time
> screen saver goes black, radio and boom display the wrong time).
> 
> As suggested by paul- (and others) earlier on this thread, you could try
> putting your LMS data on a external thumb drive, or a 3rd partition on
> the SD (I do this).
> 
> Final thought, if it is a utility interruption, perhaps something
> happens with the incoming power (transient, or something?) are other
> devices affected? Can you replicate the "crash" with, say devices
> plugged into a power strip? 
> 
> I am running pcP's as LMS only, both locations have touches, so our
> setup is similar. I have frequent power failures at one location, and I
> have yet to corrupt a SD card.
> 
> Jim
> 
> PS - if only using as a server, have you turned squeezelite off? pcP
> (pcP control panel -> tweaks->audio tweaks). Not sure that it matters,
> but perhaps others can comment.

Sorry to be late to this discussion: My experience with the flaky rural
power supplies where I live that often break leads me to believe the
issues I get, similar to the original poster, are because the router is
slow to start working when the power comes back on. 
When the power is back, LMS might work or it might not. Even if it
works, it won't find internet radio stations. The Sony smart TV also
suffers, it appears on the network but the built-in Chromecast doesn't
broadcast itself as available and the TV's status says "Ethernet not
connected". My Pis are all quick to reboot, the TV is slower, but the
router is the slowest of the lot.
My solution, on the days I remember to do it, is when the power dies to
switch off at the wall the Pi running LMS and the TV. Some time after
the power is restored, I switch these devices back on, and all goes
normally.
The Pi's SD card has successfully survived one of those really bad power
resumptions when the power flicks on and off a few times before becoming
stable again, as well as many others.



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-12-16 Thread T
Mine that died last week is a SanDisk, but I was able to fix it from a 
xubuntu computer.


Tom

On 12/15/2020 10:35 AM, d6jg wrote:

I think its also fair to say that there are SD cards and then there are
SD cards. I have had a couple of really cheap SD cards corrupt
themselves for no apparent reason but never had this issue with a
quality branded one e.g SanDisk. Just my 2p.



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-12-15 Thread Greg Erskine


I never know how to answer threads like this.

I have been using Raspberry Pi's/LMS and piCorePlayer for 7 years and
can't remember one suddenly stop working. What am I doing wrong?

I have one pCP that I deliberately turn on and off every day, just to
prove that you can.

Many, many years ago I had to reformat a SD card, but that happened only
once and wasn't a result of a power failure, just me doing something I
shouldn't.

Oh, I always used SanDisk from Officeworks! I wonder?



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-12-15 Thread d6jg


I think its also fair to say that there are SD cards and then there are
SD cards. I have had a couple of really cheap SD cards corrupt
themselves for no apparent reason but never had this issue with a
quality branded one e.g SanDisk. Just my 2p.



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-12-14 Thread T

Happened to mine last week.

The card needs to be repaired, which I did from a laptop running xubuntu.

I also make an image file from time to time so that I can quickly 
program new cards, and also no have a backup ready to swap in.


Tom


On 11/28/2020 10:54 AM, jouteur wrote:

Hi guys

I have noticed since I reinstalled Picorplayer (was off for some times,
but back on for 6 months  now), that almost everytime I have a shut down
of the Raspberry (like a power cut) I cannot connect to the pi anymore.
I have to reformat the SD card.
I though because picorplayer is loaded on the memory of the pi that it
should not happen (like the SD is cannot be corrupted or something).

Any ideas?

Is there a way also to save the parameter and everything else of the LMS
player like that I don't have to do it again all those times.

Thank you for your help



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-29 Thread jouteur


Redrum wrote: 
> router is on, but is it connected to the internet? All my isp's have
> taken some time for that to happen. That causes mine to get goofy, pi
> comes up quickly. The pcP team can tell you how quick the pi is looking
> for the net.
> 
> Turning squeezelite off was in the original instruction (pcP 4 I think)
> for setting up a server only.
> 
> I have the same situation as you, I can turn off then on the pi, no
> problem. Power failure - problem, but, I can recover without redoing the
> SD. Perhaps just try to put your LMS data on a thumd drive of 3rd
> partition? pcP 6 setup has an option (it says not recommended) to create
> the 3rd partition at the same time as expanding the files system
> 
> Jim
yes router on and connected..i can't never make it back on, IP scan
shows pi not connected
will deconnect squeezelite and try to see
then doing the partition or thumb drive

thank  you



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-29 Thread Redrum


jouteur wrote: 
> No it is only with powerfailure, and indeed my router is back on.
> squeezelite is on indeed always..never undone that before. uhmm

router is on, but is it connected to the internet? All my isp's have
taken some time for that to happen. That causes mine to get goofy, pi
comes up quickly. The pcP team can tell you how quick the pi is looking
for the net.

Turning squeezelite off was in the original instruction (pcP 4 I think)
for setting up a server only.

I have the same situation as you, I can turn off then on the pi, no
problem. Power failure - problem, but, I can recover without redoing the
SD. Perhaps just try to put your LMS data on a thumd drive of 3rd
partition? pcP 6 setup has an option (it says not recommended) to create
the 3rd partition at the same time as expanding the files system

Jim



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-29 Thread jouteur


Redrum wrote: 
> then, one other thought. The power cut, is it intentional (turn off pi)?
> Or, is it a utility power failure? I ask because I am wondering if it is
> a situation where the pi comes on line, looking for internet access, but
> the isp/modem is not rebooted. My modem takes forever (maybe 5 minutes).
> With my system, when this happens, time gets messed up (touch time
> screen saver goes black, radio and boom display the wrong time).
> 
> As suggested by paul- (and others) earlier on this thread, you could try
> putting your LMS data on a external thumb drive, or a 3rd partition on
> the SD (I do this).
> 
> Final thought, if it is a utility interruption, perhaps something
> happens with the incoming power (transient, or something?) are other
> devices affected? Can you replicate the "crash" with, say devices
> plugged into a power strip? 
> 
> I am running pcP's as LMS only, both locations have touches, so our
> setup is similar. I have frequent power failures at one location, and I
> have yet to corrupt a SD card.
> 
> Jim
> 
> PS - if only using as a server, have you turned squeezelite off? pcP
> (pcP control panel -> tweaks->audio tweaks). Not sure that it matters,
> but perhaps others can comment.

No it is only with powerfailure, and indeed my router is back on.
squeezelite is on indeed always..never undone that before. uhmm



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-29 Thread Redrum


jouteur wrote: 
> thanks for your though..
> in my case, after power failure I cannot find the pi on the network
> anymore. so it does not start. I am really not sure what is happening
> indeed.
> not quite sure either to put on the cache, being a bit of a newbie
> ..well not really went deep into picoreplayer and all its
> possibilities...using it really only for the server for my logitech
> touch.
> 
> will try to look more deeper into it
> 
> cheers

then, one other thought. The power cut, is it intentional (turn off pi)?
Or, is it a utility power failure? I ask because I am wondering if it is
a situation where the pi comes on line, looking for internet access, but
the isp/modem is not rebooted. My modem takes forever (maybe 5 minutes).
With my system, when this happens, time gets messed up (touch time
screen saver goes black, radio and boom display the wrong time).

As suggested by paul- (and others) earlier on this thread, you could try
putting your LMS data on a external thumb drive, or a 3rd partition on
the SD (I do this).

Final thought, if it is a utility interruption, perhaps something
happens with the incoming power (transient, or something?) are other
devices affected? Can you replicate the "crash" with, say devices
plugged into a power strip? 

I am running pcP's as LMS only, both locations have touches, so our
setup is similar. I have frequent power failures at one location, and I
have yet to corrupt a SD card.

Jim

PS - if only using as a server, have you turned squeezelite off? pcP
(pcP control panel -> tweaks->audio tweaks). Not sure that it matters,
but perhaps others can comment.



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-29 Thread jouteur


Redrum wrote: 
> I read through this thread, and thought I would offer a thought. I ran
> lms only (no player) on pCP with a USB HHD library. I initially moved
> the LMS cache and prefs to the USB HDD. We have frequent power failures.
> Everytime (I thought) I had to do a rebuild, unintally/reinstall LMS,
> etc, but what was really happening is the pcp would come back up and not
> be able to find the HDD to properly start/run (?) LMS. I finally
> streamlined my thrashing about to unmounting, then remount the HDD and
> things would be fine.
> 
> I then moved the LMS Prefs and Cache back to the SD, and no more
> remounting. When power comes back up I still have to do a
> shutdown/restart to get the time issue resolved but...
> 
> Further Paul- suggested I use a 3rd partition for LMS data (in case of
> corruption, the pcP partition is not affected), and that is what I do.
> 
> So, I guess the reason for my post (after all that) - are you sure you
> have to rebuild, or do you have a situation like mine? Where is your
> caches/prefs?
> 
> Jim

thanks for your though..
in my case, after power failure I cannot find the pi on the network
anymore. so it does not start. I am really not sure what is happening
indeed.
not quite sure either to put on the cache, being a bit of a newbie
..well not really went deep into picoreplayer and all its
possibilities...using it really only for the server for my logitech
touch.

will try to look more deeper into it

cheers



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-28 Thread Redrum


jouteur wrote: 
> ok thanks, I guess for me LMS is the important thing, so even if the
> system is rebooted I will have to reinstall LMS, but ok
> thanks

I read through this thread, and thought I would offer a thought. I ran
lms only (no player) on pCP with a USB HHD library. I initially moved
the LMS cache and prefs to the USB HDD. We have frequent power failures.
Everytime (I thought) I had to do a rebuild, unintally/reinstall LMS,
etc, but what was really happening is the pcp would come back up and not
be able to find the HDD to properly start/run (?) LMS. I finally
streamlined my thrashing about to unmounting, then remount the HDD and
things would be fine.

I then moved the LMS Prefs and Cache back to the SD, and no more
remounting. When power comes back up I still have to do a
shutdown/restart to get the time issue resolved but...

Further Paul- suggested I use a 3rd partition for LMS data (in case of
corruption, the pcP partition is not affected), and that is what I do.

So, I guess the reason for my post (after all that) - are you sure you
have to rebuild, or do you have a situation like mine? Where is your
caches/prefs?

Jim



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-28 Thread jouteur


paul- wrote: 
> When running LMS on piCorePlayer, this is one reason for putting the
> database on a separate partition.   And while the database partition
> might get corrupted, at least the system will still boot.
> 
> There is a fsck mechanism in pCP (Undocumented).   Adding forcefsck to
> the command line will cause the root file system to be checked.  I may
> end up adding this to any system running LMS, but for those using player
> features only, this just slows down the boot process.

ok thanks, I guess for me LMS is the important thing, so even if the
system is rebooted I will have to reinstall LMS, but ok
thanks



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-28 Thread paul-


When running LMS on piCorePlayer, this is one reason for putting the
database on a separate partition.   And while the database partition
might get corrupted, at least the system will still boot.

There is a fsck mechanism in pCP (Undocumented).   Adding forcefsck to
the command line will cause the root file system to be checked.  I may
end up adding this to any system running LMS, but for those using player
features only, this just slows down the boot process.



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-28 Thread jouteur


garym wrote: 
> Many people say that they have power cuts that don't corrupt the SD
> card. It's just a matter of luck I think.  I plug my rPi into a
> Uninterruptible -Power- Supply (-UPS-), which will keep supplying power
> from battery for 30 minutes or so.  This solves the short power cuts
> (which we have here in Florida with thunderstorms, etc.).  Another thing
> you might do is make backup copies of your SD card. So you can simply
> insert new card and all is back to normal.

yes indeed, I used to be fine with power cut and that SD card, but not
anymore...bah
thanks for the tip



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-28 Thread garym


jouteur wrote: 
> ok thanks, no other way then to reboot the system then with LMS on and a
> non wanted poower cut
> 
> thanks for the info
> always a great forum
> 
> take care

Many people say that they have power cuts that don't corrupt the SD
card. It's just a matter of luck I think.  I plug my rPi into a
Uninterruptible -Power- Supply (-UPS-), which will keep supplying power
from battery for 30 minutes or so.  This solves the short power cuts
(which we have here in Florida with thunderstorms, etc.).  Another thing
you might do is make backup copies of your SD card. So you can simply
insert new card and all is back to normal.



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-28 Thread jouteur


ok thanks, no other way then to reboot the system then with LMS on and a
non wanted poower cut

thanks for the info
always a great forum

take care



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-28 Thread garym


bpa wrote: 
> PCP started as a player only system - so that when running everying is
> in RAM, no sdcard access and so no effect if you pull power cord.
> 
> If LMS is running onPCP system then sdcard (and maybe USB disk) is being
> used and the promise of no problem if you the pull the power cord is not
> possible. If LMS is running you should shut LMS down before pulling
> power.

in piCorePlayer webGUI, on the "main" tab, it is best to use the proper
shutdown when running LMS on the rPi, which will shutdown LMS and the
rPi properly.  See picture.

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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-28 Thread bpa


jouteur wrote: 
> Hi long time no talk
> 
> this card is for a server, I use it for my logitech touch...
> thanks for the tip..
> 
> any ideas why the SD crash..? it used not too, maybe too old?

PCP started as a player only system - so that when running everying is
in RAM, no sdcard access and so no effect if you pull power cord.

If LMS is running onPCP system then sdcard (and maybe USB disk) is being
used and the promise of no problem if you the pull the power cord is not
possible. If LMS is running you should shut LMS down before pulling
power.



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-28 Thread KeBul


Hi Jouteur,

When you say you can't connect to Pi after a power fail... is that
connect to LMS on the Pi? or piCorePlayer on the Pi?

If it's piCorePlayer then I'd suspect your card, but you could try
stopping LMS and shutting down piCorePlayer and then power cycle to see
if it survives that, if not then I'd definitely be looking at trying a
different card.

If it's just LMS that stops working, then it's not unusual for LMS
database and cache to get corrupted by a power fail, my sister's setup
suffers from this because she has a whole house RCD mains protector that
trips rather too keenly. In her case we can normally get back in via ssh
and pCP web interface to delete the Db and cache files and start again
without re-flashing the card.

I can't say for sure, but I think I've seen somewhere on the forum that
having a USB thumb drive on the Pi with LMS cache and Db files moved
onto it is more reliable, perhaps because it's an external drive the
data gets written out to the usb stick rather than cached in memory.

Kev



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-28 Thread jouteur


Hi long time no talk

this card is for a server, I use it for my logitech touch...
thanks for the tip..

any ideas why the SD crash..? it used not too, maybe too old?

Cheers



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Re: [slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-28 Thread Man in a van


Well good day to you Sir

Is this card for a player or player server ?

You can make a copy of the card:

'Mac OS use Apple PI Baker
'
(https://www.tweaking4all.com/hardware/raspberry-pi/applepi-baker-v2/)
'Windows use Win32Disk Imager' (https://win32diskimager.org/)

I offer a couple of tips for the latter:

1) Create an empty folder on the Desktop (or wherever you want to save
the file)

2) Append the .img suffix to the file name when entering it into the
appropiate box (eg pcpbackupv6.1.0.img)

3) Tick the box marked "Read Only Allocated Partitions" this will give
the smallest image possible

4) Read the "ReadMe" of the download and run it as "as Administrator"

ronnie



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[slim] SD card unreadable after power cut

2020-11-28 Thread jouteur


Hi guys

I have noticed since I reinstalled Picorplayer (was off for some times,
but back on for 6 months  now), that almost everytime I have a shut down
of the Raspberry (like a power cut) I cannot connect to the pi anymore.
I have to reformat the SD card.
I though because picorplayer is loaded on the memory of the pi that it
should not happen (like the SD is cannot be corrupted or something).

Any ideas?

Is there a way also to save the parameter and everything else of the LMS
player like that I don't have to do it again all those times.

Thank you for your help



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