Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/12/06 1:29 PM Perhaps a name change is in order on March 1, when the combined Squeezebox/Pandora product is unveiled? Pandora's Box would be a memorable product name - in which case, however, some serious marital discord might ensue, viz. Nevermind that in Western NY, there is an adult news store with that same name... ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
And of course, we were the first ones to surgically graft telephones to every teenage girl in our country. ;-) Nope that would be the Japanese. Or maybe the Finns :) *laugh* Well, maybe so. :-) What's more amazing is that virtually no one knows who invented the television. (And now we're _way_ off topic.) Yeah, TVs have terrible audio properties, and there's not even any Slimserver support? Lame. Besides, if it's not Scottish, it's c*ap! And I think it's a good policy to never argue with someone man enough to wear a skirt, er, kilt. Kevin -- Kevin O. Lepard Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Yes, yes, Americans are self-absorbed, obnoxious and think that their culture is the center of the universe. That's a pretty neat summary how most people in Western / Central Europe think of the US and who's to blame them ... C. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
It's coming March 1st. cvj wrote: seanadams Wrote: It's really simple. You'll add your pandora account in Squeezenetwork settings, and then from the Squeezebox UI you'll see Pandora Radio at the top level. Sorry, I must be slow this AM... exactly HOW do I do this? (step by step, please) ( I don't see any place on my Squeezenetwork page where I can add this info)... -- ___ Mark Lanctot ___ __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Dear SlimDevices, I love your products (plug for referral scheme!) and have 3 of them around my house. The old Slimp3s still impress many visitors and just keep on running. But Pandora is useless for me - it looks great. All I see now is that for the next 6 months your time and resources will be directed at a USA only product that does nothing to improve or help the platform for non-Americans. The forum is going to be swamped with newbies asking the same old questions and existing users loving Pandora whilst I'm left out in the cold (currently -3 Centigrade). Pandora and Slim should get a lot more customers from this tie-up, but Pandora are losing out due to USA only licensing. Even if they do license for UK I bet it will be £36 ($62) pa instead of $36 - ripped off again. Please kick Pandora until the wake up to global markets and not continue with the typical Amercian company attitude that ignores other countries. Um..if I change my server to use an IP hide program will it let me subscribe? Gavin MAN FINANCIAL LIMITED E-MAIL DISCLAIMER This electronic mail message was sent by Man Financial Limited (MFL) of Sugar Quay, Lower Thames Street, London, EC3R 6DU, a Company registered in England no. 1600658. MFL is authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority in the UK and is a member of the Man Group. MFL appear on the UK Financial Services Authority register under no. 106052. MFL is a member of the London Stock Exchange. This electronic mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not that person, you are not authorised to view, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or any part of it without our consent; and you are requested to return this message to the sender immediately and delete all copies from your system. The value of investments and foreign exchange can go up as well as down and involve the risk of loss. You may lose more than the amount originally invested and, in respect of products traded on margin, you may have to pay more later. Opinions, conclusions and other information expressed in this message are not given or endorsed by MFL unless otherwise indicated by an authorised representative. Due to the electronic nature of e-mails, there is a risk that the information contained in this message has been modified. Consequently MFL can accept no responsibility or liability as to the completeness or accuracy of the information. Whilst efforts are made to safeguard messages and attachments, MFL cannot guarantee that messages or attachments are virus free, do not contain malicious code or are compatible with your electronic systems and does not accept liability in respect of viruses, malicious code or any related problems that you may experience. MFL's e-mail system is for business purposes only. All e-mail may be reviewed by authorised personnel, and may be provided to regulatory authorities or others with a legal right to access such information. If you would like to find out more information about Man Financial Limited please click on the following hyperlink to our web site. Web site : http://www.manfinancial.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Um..if I change my server to use an IP hide program will it let me subscribe? I'm sitting in the same boat (living in Switzerland). But I don't fear IP blocking. I think it's a purely legal issue with no technical limitations. You can't pay as you don't live in the US. No need to check for IP addresses. I'm sure if I could get a friend overseas to pay for me, it would work. I'll have to give this a try (I actually do have a friend living in Fremont :-)). -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Michael Herger said the following on 02/10/2006 09:17 AM: Um..if I change my server to use an IP hide program will it let me subscribe? I'm sitting in the same boat (living in Switzerland). But I don't fear IP blocking. I think it's a purely legal issue with no technical limitations. You can't pay as you don't live in the US. No need to check for IP addresses. I'm sure if I could get a friend overseas to pay for me, it would work. I'll have to give this a try (I actually do have a friend living in Fremont :-)). It does work, but the audio is streamed from the US rather than local POPs here in the UK so it's not the most reliable of streams. R. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Nice! Pogue's a big name in the Mac world, Really? I thought it was a pretty poor article technically. Was anyone else amused by this line? Four kinds of audio-output connectors are provided, including RCA (red and white) and digital outputs (optical and coax). James NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
... Am I being a bit thick here as I fail to see from a RIAA perspective what difference it makes whether people from the UK are allowed access to the visual ad version (which I understand they are allowed) or the paid for non ad version (which they are not and which will be supported by SlimNetwork) No idea. I also find it disappointing that a free global service (LastFM) that everyone can use has been ignored by SlimDevices and the SlimNetwork in favour of what appears to be a US only subscription service. It's not ignored, there's an excellent pair of plugins. Slimscrobbler submits the songs you play to Last.fm, then the Last.fm plugin lets Squeezebox play your stations. It would be nice if that same capability was there on SqueezeNetwork, though it gets more complex to do the Slimscrobbler submissions that way. ... Also whilst I am on my rant why does the homepage link to Pandora http://www.slimdevices.com/dev_pandora.html not mention this is a US only service? this given the statement This great service is FREE starting March first for all Squeezebox 2 and v3 owners for 90 days after Pandora account creation is simply not true. ... Oh get real, we all know there's no electricity outside of the U.S. How could people have Squeezeboxes without electricity? :) -- Jack Coates At Monkeynoodle Dot Org: It's A Scientific Venture! I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, so across the Western ocean I must wander - traditional ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
sure you have to deal with the pop up I tried the flash based player yesterday ... what pop-up? Is that coming soon? What would be the point of visual ads accompanying a music stream? People listen to music, not look at it. I had assumed they'd be playing radio-style ads every few songs. C. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Quoting Bennett, Gavin (LDN Int) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All I see now is that for the next 6 months your time and resources will be directed at a USA only product that does nothing to improve or help the platform for non-Americans. The forum is going to be swamped with newbies asking the same old questions and existing users loving Pandora whilst I'm left out in the cold (currently -3 Centigrade). big conclusion, for a sample size of one. and newbies asking the same old questions, is nothing new. As for resources, never forget that slimserver is open source and there are a number of volunteer developers spending valuable time and energy on slimserver. Squeezenetwork is closed, and allows no extra help from volunteers devs aside from porting what goes into SlimServer. whatever it takes covers a lot. -k ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Please kick Pandora until the wake up to global markets I am no expert, but I have a feeling that it has more to do with music labels policies than Pandora and SlimDevices. And you have to Steve Jobs to argue with them ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
On 2/10/06, ModelCitizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a pain that you have to pay to stream your own radio stationthough :-( Nobody wants to pay for anything any more, do they?Ben ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
And of course, we were the first ones to surgically graft telephones to every teenage girl in our country. ;-) Nope that would be the Japanese. Or maybe the Finns :) Victor ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
And of course, we were the first ones to surgically graft telephones to every teenage girl in our country. ;-) Nope that would be the Japanese. Or maybe the Finns :) *laugh* Well, maybe so. :-) What's more amazing is that virtually no one knows who invented the television. (And now we're _way_ off topic.) Kevin -- Kevin O. Lepard Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Kevin O. Lepard wrote: What's more amazing is that virtually no one knows who invented the television. (And now we're _way_ off topic.) Philo T Farnsworth At least that is what they taught me ages ago in EE class. -- -- toc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.curmudgeon4.us/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
--- Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin O. Lepard wrote: What's more amazing is that virtually no one knows who invented the television. (And now we're _way_ off topic.) Philo T Farnsworth At least that is what they taught me ages ago in EE class. Isn't that the professor on Futurama? __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
And of course, we were the first ones to surgically graft telephones to every teenage girl in our country. ;-) Nope that would be the Japanese. Or maybe the Finns :) *laugh* Well, maybe so. :-) What's more amazing is that virtually no one knows who invented the television. (And now we're _way_ off topic.) Yeah, TVs have terrible audio properties, and there's not even any Slimserver support? Lame. Besides, if it's not Scottish, it's c*ap! *l -- Jack Coates At Monkeynoodle Dot Org: It's A Scientific Venture! I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, so across the Western ocean I must wander - traditional ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
I'm guessing this won't be available to non-US users beyond the free trial? You can lie on the registration about your location but then that won't match up with your CC billing address. James NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
if for example...a non-geographic email address (e.g. @gmail.com) and the only zipcode I know (90125 ;-) the Pandora licensing hasn't been explicitly broken... And how will you pay for the subscription required for the SlimServer access? NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/09/06 7:49 AM if for example...a non-geographic email address (e.g. @gmail.com) and the only zipcode I know (90125 ;-) the Pandora licensing hasn't been explicitly broken... And how will you pay for the subscription required for the SlimServer access? A buddy who lives in the states or paypal? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
A buddy who lives in the states or paypal? I couldn't find any details about what methods of payment they take without signing up. Anyway, don't get me wrong, I think this is great news for SlimDevices! This is exactly the sort of thing they need to differentiate from the competition. Hopefully Rhapsody will come good on their promise to provide the service outside of the US. It's always frustrating to see these services (Rhapsody as well) unavailable elsewhere... James NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
tom permutt wrote: I do hope some of the important practical and legal limits can be overcome in time. We like it to sound good and look good, but, as you suggest, we all really want choices in music. Back when my company was trying to stream our 40,000 CDs (which had every pop/country/r-b/hiphop/house/ cd that anyone would want) the RIAA ran us out of business over their legal limits. They may have changed a little over the years, but the rules are convoluted and written for one and only one reason: to maintain the major label/RIAA business model that they have used for 50+ years. The RIAA wrote the DMCA, the US Congress just rubber stamped it. The law is clear that radio stations are legal as long as the proper fees are paid. The key about radio stations is that the station operator, not the listener, controls the music selection. Even if they have learned a little over the years, the field is a minefield. The RIAA reflects its owners, which are the four (or it is five this month) major record labels. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Congratulations to SlimDevices! The latest upgrade to SqueezeNetwork better be strong... :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
This was regarding amazon.com Movers Shakers#1 rank... On 2/9/06, Josef Shvejk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations to SlimDevices! The latest upgrade to SqueezeNetwork better be strong... :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
90 days free for Squeezebox owners. After that, subscribe for $36/yr. Pandora's ad-supported offering is new, so we have to wait and see... Is it America only, or would there be a pricing structure (albeit rip-off) for the UK, hopefully with a UK server? Phil ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Quoting Philip Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 90 days free for Squeezebox owners. After that, subscribe for $36/yr. Pandora's ad-supported offering is new, so we have to wait and see... Is it America only, or would there be a pricing structure (albeit rip-off) for the UK, hopefully with a UK server? Pandora is licensed to stream music to US customers only. (they have a faq on that) -k ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Pandora is licensed to stream music to US customers only. (they have a faq on that) Thinking about it, the Flash demo streams to me in the UK. I assume they would tell through IP address. Maybe they will provide a UK service. If SqueezeNetwork is hosting Pandora for streaming to SqueezeBox, would the SqeezeNetwork need to perform some test to check the destination? Phil ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Please don't assume that because our software is open source that we oppose non-free-anything - our software roadmap has always indicated plans to support more formats and more music sources including DRM ones. Let's just say that a big part of my decision to buy a sb1 and then a sb2 was that I, personally, oppose non-free-anything. Well, maybe oppose is to strong a word ... dislike, maybe. That squeezenetwork would be used for content tie-ins was clear from the beginning, and I was very much looking forward to that. Only now I must admit I'm a little bit disappointed as I was hoping for something more - global. At the moment this seems to be US only. - open Why use a binary / DRM component at all? An username + password combination should be enough to make sure everyone has paid up. Yes, people could share passwords but only on a very small scale before it raises alarms. Works well enough for: MMORPGs and adult sites. And yes, people might download some content and save it, but after all this is like a radio and that I can legally tape all I want. Nobody is gonna pirate content at playback speed. - high quality 128kbit/s mp3 is just not the state of the art - less mainstream People keep saying that you can't dictate the interface protocols to music services. True, for existing ones. I was still kind of hoping that you would string together a much more open delivery platform for indie labels and artists. Someone else said : it's the beginning of the end of the open-source, open-format idea. It doesn't have to be, let's hope it is not. I'd like openness at a grander scale that between living room and slimserver. C. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
stinkingpig Wrote: Hey Jack! http://www.last.fm/user/Stinkingpig/. You like leadbelly? yup. So do the kids. I take no responsibility for any Coldplay in there though, that's the wife. -- Jack Coates At Monkeynoodle Dot Org: It's A Scientific Venture! I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, so across the Western ocean I must wander - traditional ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Thinking about it, the Flash demo streams to me in the UK. I assume they would tell through IP address. Maybe they will provide a UK service. This is the ad sponsored version - which isn't possible with the SB as it does not display graphical adds :-) -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
On 2/8/06, seanadams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a SqueezeNetwork feature, so you'll need SB2 or SB3. I can't A SqueezeNetwork feature? Interesting. Can you give us more details? Server based DRM support? And please,improve the SqueezeNetwork - SlimServer login/logout interface. It is far from being slick. Thank you! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: NY times/ Pandora
Ben Wrote: Doubtless I'm being dense here, but how is Pandora different then Last.FM? There was a recent article comparing the two just last week. http://www.stevekrause.org/steve_krause_blog/2006/01/pandora_and_las.html Pandora == Yahoo! or Ask Jeeves, Last.FM == Google or AltaVista. (Technology-wise, I'm not trying to say that they're backed or owned or anything.) Two different approaches to the same problem. I'd like to see what Pandora's classification system thinks of what I'm listening to right now :) http://www.boingboing.net/2006/02/07/free_for_the_downloa.html Great press coverage, though I'll personally be sticking with Last.fm as it does a better job of matching my taste (http://www.last.fm/user/Stinkingpig/). I also like that I pay when I use it instead of paying for the year up front. Still, I'll keep an eye on Pandora, as the author's thesis makes sense, and I could see their service improving at some point. -- Jack Coates At Monkeynoodle Dot Org: It's A Scientific Venture! I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, so across the Western ocean I must wander - traditional ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
