Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
niuphan;344717 Wrote: I've got over 100 GB of shn that I would prefer not to convert if I don't have to. I enjoyed the SHN support that existed in the previous versions. I read through this thread and don't quite understand what needs to be modified in order to get shn working. Has anyone had success with this? I concur. I too am disappointed to see a lack of support for such a major format like Shorten. There is support for a number of formats I have never even seen used in practice and regardless of it's inferiority, SHN is very established and widespread. I like that you have embraced FLAC but cant you just backend convert SHN to FLAC like before? I really love my new Boom but this is a Bummer. -- winsall winsall's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14222 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
I've got over 100 GB of shn that I would prefer not to convert if I don't have to. I enjoyed the SHN support that existed in the previous versions. I read through this thread and don't quite understand what needs to be modified in order to get shn working. Has anyone had success with this? -- niuphan niuphan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8762 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
Yeah, these days, if I download a show that's in SHN format, the first thing I do is convert to flac, so I can tag, then I add to the library. -- bephillips More than 40,529 songs on 3,188 albums by 2,270 artists. Mostly flac, some mp3 and aac. SqueezeCenter Version: 7.1 - 22170 @ Mon Jul 28 13:32:51 PDT 2008 Mac OS X 10.4.11 (8S165) - EN - utf8 Perl Version: 5.8.6 darwin-thread-multi-2level MySQL Version: 5.0.22-standard Platform Architecture: ppc On a 1.2GHz G4 Mac iBook with 768MB RAM http://db.etree.org/bephillips bephillips's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
Was this ever resolved or are Shns unplayable on Squeezecenter? -- dminches SB3 CI Audio VDA-2 Aragon Soundstage Aragon 8008X3 Vandersteen 3A Sigs dminches's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12606 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
dminches wrote: Was this ever resolved or are Shns unplayable on Squeezecenter? How many lossless formats do we need when they're all so easily converted to flac? Isn't SHN dead? Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
I think we dropped SHN support because it's a vastly inferior format to FLAC, is not easy to parse and doesn't even support proper tags. I think it was around before FLAC but has been surpassed by it in every way. Time to convert your files I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorten -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
andyg;334917 Wrote: I think we dropped SHN support because it's a vastly inferior format to FLAC, is not easy to parse and doesn't even support proper tags. I think it was around before FLAC but has been surpassed by it in every way. Time to convert your files I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorten Yes it was around before FLAC and yes it is inferior in a number of ways. I could understand if it was an issue of adding support, but it was there and subsequently removed. Yes, I could convert my files, but I have quite a number of SHNs in my archives that I bring back out now and then. I never resolved the issue other than by leaving a server running 6.5.4. It's water under the bridge now, but I think a better approach would have been to leave the support there and deprecate it - meaning don't change the code and any new bugs reported would be immediately closed because the format is no longer supported and the existing functionality is as-is. APE is falling out of favor as a suitable format, does that mean it will be next on the chopping block? What about when TNGFF files (The Next Great File Format) come around to overthrow FLAC? Yeah, it doesn't make sense to create new SHNs today, but there are many of them floating around, especially from the concert trading community. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 1 duet. SuSE 10.2 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.2 maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
Personally I convert all SHNs that I find into FLAC before adding them to my library. I did that without even knowing that SHN was unsupported -- I did it so that I'd have a smaller number of file formats in my library, and because of FLAC's superior tagging capabilities. For me having my music properly and consistently tagged is very important. On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:12 PM, maggior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andyg;334917 Wrote: I think we dropped SHN support because it's a vastly inferior format to FLAC, is not easy to parse and doesn't even support proper tags. I think it was around before FLAC but has been surpassed by it in every way. Time to convert your files I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorten Yes it was around before FLAC and yes it is inferior in a number of ways. I could understand if it was an issue of adding support, but it was there and subsequently removed. Yes, I could convert my files, but I have quite a number of SHNs in my archives that I bring back out now and then. I never resolved the issue other than by leaving a server running 6.5.4. It's water under the bridge now, but I think a better approach would have been to leave the support there and deprecate it - meaning don't change the code and any new bugs reported would be immediately closed because the format is no longer supported and the existing functionality is as-is. APE is falling out of favor as a suitable format, does that mean it will be next on the chopping block? What about when TNGFF files (The Next Great File Format) come around to overthrow FLAC? Yeah, it doesn't make sense to create new SHNs today, but there are many of them floating around, especially from the concert trading community. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 1 duet. SuSE 10.2 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.2 maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
... well, would be great if Slim could re-integrate shn-reading - soo many shn files around... -- trazom trazom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:39 AM, maggior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I noticed that SHN support is not included like it was before. I also don't see the conf file to edit to add the support. I would be surprised if the convert.conf were anywhere but /etc/squeezecenter. Are you still looking in /etc/slimserver? The web-modifyable pref files have been moved to the /var/lib/squeezecenter/prefs directory, at least under Debian/Ubuntu. Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
OK, I found the convert.conf and the types.conf files. They are now in /etc/squeezecenter. I copied the entries as they were in the old slimserver but no joy. After restarting squeezecenter, the SHN file type shows up in the web page, but when I try to play an SHN file, I get an error shorten: failed to write decompressed stream. shorten version 3.6.1. Any ideas on why I would see this error? Thanks! -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM, maggior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I found the convert.conf and the types.conf files. They are now in /etc/squeezecenter. I copied the entries as they were in the old slimserver but no joy. After restarting squeezecenter, the SHN file type shows up in the web page, but when I try to play an SHN file, I get an error shorten: failed to write decompressed stream. shorten version 3.6.1. I would paste in the entries you added. Also, I was looking to see what logging you could enable to see what's going on -- the only one that seemed like it might be relevant is formats.audio. Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
I took at look at the server log file and I see entries where it states that it cannot locate Slim/Formats/Shorten.pm. I guess there is more to this than just editing some configuration files? -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
OK, so I've now eliminated the errors from the server log by copying the Shorten.pm file from a slimserver installation. However, I still get the error on the console about failing to write the decompressed stream. Any ideas? I wonder why they ripped support for SHN out of squeezecenter. Ugh! -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:42 AM, maggior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took at look at the server log file and I see entries where it states that it cannot locate Slim/Formats/Shorten.pm. I guess there is more to this than just editing some configuration files? That module is definitely gone/missing from 7.0. You could try just adding the module as-is from 6.5, you can download it here: http://svn.slimdevices.com/*checkout*/branches/6.5/server/Slim/Formats/Shorten.pm?rev=9178 Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:56 AM, maggior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so I've now eliminated the errors from the server log by copying the Shorten.pm file from a slimserver installation. However, I still get the error on the console about failing to write the decompressed stream. Any ideas? I wonder why they ripped support for SHN out of squeezecenter. Ugh! I would have to believe it was inadvertent. This team does not make it a habit of breaking compatibility, at least in my experience. A quick search of bugzilla yielded zero results. I would file a bug if I were you. Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:56 AM, maggior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would have to believe it was inadvertent. This team does not make it a habit of breaking compatibility, at least in my experience. A quick search of bugzilla yielded zero results. I would file a bug if I were you. It was deliberate, more or less for the very reasons you are seeing. SHN is a broken format. The only known way to get duration, size and bitrate data (required for SB to play tracks) is to extract to WAV and redirect to /dev/null (a problem on windows), then it's extracted to WAV again for playback. The header is also different depending on versions. Some of the things that never worked right (and consequently had no official support) were removed for SC7 (note several skins which are no longer with us). This was one of them. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4877 -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
That's a bummer. It worked on this machine using SlimServer 6.5.4 (or whatever the last version was before moving to squeezecenter). So I don't think I'm seeing a problem with SHN itself. Part of what I thought was great about the squeezebox and slimserver was the format support. I guess I'll roll back to slimserver on this machine. I'd rather not have to hack this in to work. On my main system where I only use FLAC and mp3 I'll consider moving to squeezecenter. Thanks for the info. -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
maggior wrote: That's a bummer. It worked on this machine using SlimServer 6.5.4 (or whatever the last version was before moving to squeezecenter). So I don't think I'm seeing a problem with SHN itself. Part of what I thought was great about the squeezebox and slimserver was the format support. I guess I'll roll back to slimserver on this machine. I'd rather not have to hack this in to work. On my main system where I only use FLAC and mp3 I'll consider moving to squeezecenter. Why not use shnconv to convert your SHN files to flac? find / -name \*.shn | shnconv -o flac The great thing about lossless formats is that conversion is also lossless. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
If you want SHN back to exactly what was always in SS/SC, you can have it as it was by reversing: http://svn.slimdevices.com/?rev=12843view=rev This is just a change to convert.conf, types.conf and adding the Formats/Shorten.pm module (which you've already done). Any remaining issues re basically the quirks of the format/codec itself, whatever it is that's causing the stream write failure. -kdf -- kdf kdf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
I know I can convert the files with relative ease, but it was nice to just be able to play them natively. I've rolled back and SHN is now working again. I may move to squeezecenter on my main server since the seemless integration of squeezenetwork is really nice. -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Adding support for SHN files
Hi kdf - I changed those exact things and it didn't work. I don't know how it could be due to the quirkyness of the format since I've done nothing with the shorten binary and am using the same .shn file to test. I wonder if there is a temporary file that is created as part of the process that and the write fails because the squeezecenter user doesn't have permission to write to the location. Once significant difference between slimserver and squeezecenter is the fact that a different user account is used. Reading the bug report, I see it was quite deliberate to remove it. Thanks, Rich -- maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44644 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
